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Futher Bezluden Minmatar ORIGIN SYSTEMS Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2007.10.24 21:28:00 - [1] Turns out the uber Warp Disruption Field Generator, which having looked at the stats: 16km bubble -1 warp str -90% ab/mwd max velocity bonus 50% signature radius bonus -80% mass reduction -80% ab/mwd thrust seems like the perfect thing to combat CCP's idiotic Speedtanking. NO. The bubble is there, but YOUR AB/MWD max velocity is gimped, YOUR AB/MWD thrust is gimped, Your Signature Radius is Larger. 1792m/s Broadsword -10mn T2 mwd active before activating WDFG- dropped to 420m/s. Btw... This module does nothing to the ab/MWD module fitted to ships caught inside the bubble, it's just a mobile 16km area affect 1 pt scram. Useless CCP. Interdictors don't have anything to fear, they'll still have their job when the Heavy's role out. 21:00:00 Hint You are within a warp disruption zone. Get 16800.0 meters from Futher Bezluden's Broadsword to warp. Even fit ship has 2 stabs fit, Its still stuck in your bubble. Don't expect it to act like "Warp Dis Probes" and pull people out of warp off the gate. You can cloak and pop the warp dis field -for 30s at least, then it goes offline. Useful in Empire??? 21:20:04 Notify You cannot do that because it is currently against empire policy to launch, anchor or control objects of that type within their jurisdictions. ============= CCP, Please make the Heavy Dictor Warp Disruption Field Generator Affect ships caught in it's bubble, not only the heavy dictor. With how it works now, people will stick to their interdictors. THUKKER -Be Paranoid Skeet Skeet L33t
Vanessa Vale	Posted - 2007.10.24 21:34:00 - [2] Originally by: Futher Bezluden Turns out the uber Warp Disruption Field Generator, which having looked at the stats: 16km bubble -1 warp str -90% ab/mwd max velocity bonus 50% signature radius bonus -80% mass reduction -80% ab/mwd thrust seems like the perfect thing to combat CCP's idiotic Speedtanking. WANTED: Bubble that sets affected ship and drone shield and armor to 0. No?
MotherMoon Huang Yinglong Namtz'aar k'in	Posted - 2007.10.24 21:34:00 - [3] yes it gimps your and their AB and MWD. ----------------------------------- I'm working my way through college target CCP need...more room...
Aramendel Amarr North Face Force	Posted - 2007.10.24 21:49:00 - [4] Wrong. It gimps YOUR mwd/ab. Not theirs. The only effect of the bubble is anti warp. There's a reason the bubble stat is called "warp scramble range".
Kazamidori Division 9 Golden Leaves Izanagi Alliance	Posted - 2007.10.24 21:50:00 - [5] I'd think heavy dictor's (perhaps the only) role would be to latch itself onto Titans, and keep scrambling it even after DD goes off. It's still do-able with standard dictors, but heavy dictors with plates or extenders can easily survive a shot of DD. Other than that...durp? --- Izanagi Alliance
Deva Blackfire D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.10.24 21:51:00 - [6] Originally by: Kazamidori I'd think heavy dictor's (perhaps the only) role would be to latch itself onto Titans, and keep scrambling it even after DD goes off. It's still do-able with standard dictors, but heavy dictors with plates or extenders can easily survive a shot of DD. Other than that...durp? Question: can you warp off from dictor field if you equip stabs?
Aramendel Amarr North Face Force	Posted - 2007.10.24 21:55:00 - [7] It would be nice if the bubble effect would not make it unable to be remote repped. If this would be the case it could be used as tanked dictor. As it is now there is now point to use it vs anything above 5 enemy ships, t2 resistances or not, a cruiser tank is still only a cruiser tank.
Deva Blackfire D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.10.24 21:57:00 - [8] Originally by: Aramendel It would be nice if the bubble effect would not make it unable to be remote repped. If this would be the case it could be used as tanked dictor. As it is now there is now point to use it vs anything above 5 enemy ships, t2 resistances or not, a cruiser tank is still only a cruiser tank. Surprise... Didnt i say that like month ago when stats were leaked? Pretty much - in your eye people who thought those ships will be useful :) Normal dictor cost 1/5-1/10 of the heavy dictor and will have much higher survival rate anyways... CCP failed yet again.

CCP Gangleri	Posted - 2007.10.24 22:14:00 - [9] These ships are aimed at capital and super capital tackling, 'dictors and new and improved 'ceptors don't really need any help with the other ship types.

Deva Blackfire D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.10.24 22:16:00 - [10] Originally by: CCP Gangleri These ships are aimed at capital and super capital tackling, 'dictors and new and improved 'ceptors don't really need any help with the other ship types. Um... still dont get this. Its far easier to pin down single cap/supercap with normal dictor because it can survive onslaught. Where heavy dictor will just... die? And vs multiple cap? Its instagib, where normal bubble has a chance to sit outside smarty range. So...

CCP Gangleri	Posted - 2007.10.24 22:24:00 - [11] There is a script coming for this module which makes it a targeted effect for use against a capital ship, details have not been nailed down yet so it's not been seeded on Sisi. Everything on Sisi is susceptible to change from day to day. Give it a little more time before you start condemning the new ships to the scrapheep ps. if you don't know what scripts are that may be because they won't be on Sisi quite yet.

Deva Blackfire D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.10.24 22:25:00 - [12] Originally by: CCP Gangleri There is a script coming for this module which makes it a targeted effect for use against a capital ship, details have not been nailed down yet so it's not been seeded on Sisi. Everything on Sisi is susceptible to change from day to day. Give it a little more time before you start condemning the new ships to the scrapheep ps. if you don't know what scripts are that may be because they won't be on Sisi quite yet. Just managed to read it up in other thread... will see and wait i guess, but i held VERY high hopes for that ship class. And for love of god - give em chance to scramble supercaps in lowsec.
Bellum Eternus Gallente Blood Corsair's	Posted - 2007.10.24 23:13:00 - [13] Originally by: Deva Blackfire Originally by: CCP Gangleri There is a script coming for this module which makes it a targeted effect for use against a capital ship, details have not been nailed down yet so it's not been seeded on Sisi. Everything on Sisi is susceptible to change from day to day. Give it a little more time before you start condemning the new ships to the scrapheep ps. if you don't know what scripts are that may be because they won't be on Sisi quite yet. Just managed to read it up in other thread... will see and wait i guess, but i held VERY high hopes for that ship class. And for love of god - give em chance to scramble supercaps in lowsec. AMEN! Bellum Eternus [Vid] L E G E N D A R Y [Vid] L E G E N D A R Y I I
Valharu	Posted - 2007.10.25 00:03:00 - [14] Kind of sad, I know many had high hopes that the generator field on this ship affected the AB/MWDs on all ships around it to stop the instant gate warping that Nano ships do. Also since it has been stated that this ship is ment to lock down Cap ships. Doesnt the neg effect on the Gen make the ship a sitting duck for hostile action against it? Risk VS Reward? At this moment, the risk vs the reward does not seem to merit its use. I am sure this Cruiser will have a staggering cost and to see it so vulnerable do all the neg side effects it will suffer from its on Gen. I see people sticking to useing a Dictor since they can drop bubble and then scoot out of the action. I am hoping this will be looked at befor the finel date of release happens.
Lishan Kamatar	Posted - 2007.10.25 00:57:00 - [15] Originally by: Valharu Kind of sad, I know many had high hopes that the generator field on this ship affected the AB/MWDs on all ships around it to stop the instant gate warping that Nano ships do. Also since it has been stated that this ship is ment to lock down Cap ships. Doesnt the neg effect on the Gen make the ship a sitting duck for hostile action against it? Risk VS Reward? At this moment, the risk vs the reward does not seem to merit its use. I am sure this Cruiser will have a staggering cost and to see it so vulnerable do all the neg side effects it will suffer from its on Gen. I see people sticking to useing a Dictor since they can drop bubble and then scoot out of the action. I am hoping this will be looked at befor the finel date of release happens. but a dictor might miss his target or get killed before he can drop it or the bubble might be smart bombed. where as a HI can have a nice buffer tank while support heals him for keeps the super cap ships bubbled.
Gor Kraon Minmatar Red Alliance	Posted - 2007.10.25 01:08:00 - [16] Originally by: Lishan Kamatar buffer tank while support heals him No, he can't.
Aramendel Amarr North Face Force	Posted - 2007.10.25 01:15:00 - [17] Originally by: CCP Gangleri There is a script coming for this module which makes it a targeted effect for use against a capital ship, details have not been nailed down yet so it's not been seeded on Sisi. Everything on Sisi is susceptible to change from day to day. Give it a little more time before you start condemning the new ships to the scrapheep Whatever this scrip does, it needs to enable them to be remote assisted then. Because otherwise a normal dictor is way way better than this one. A cruiser sized tank will only last 20 sec tops if primaried. Which it will if it tries to tackle capitals.
Gor Kraon Minmatar Red Alliance	Posted - 2007.10.25 01:18:00 - [18] Originally by: CCP Fendahl ...it also comes with some drawbacks. When activated the warp disruption field generator prevents remote assistance...
Icome4u Caldari Dark and Light inc. D-L	Posted - 2007.10.25 01:18:00 - [19] Originally by: Deva Blackfire Edited by: Deva Blackfire on 24/10/2007 22:18:25 Edited by: Deva Blackfire on 24/10/2007 22:18:06 Originally by: CCP Gangleri These ships are aimed at capital and super capital tackling, 'dictors and new and improved 'ceptors don't really need any help with the other ship types. Um... still dont get this. Its far easier to pin down single cap/supercap with normal dictor because it can survive onslaught. Where heavy dictor will just... die? And vs multiple cap? Its instagib, where normal bubble has a chance to sit outside smarty range. So... EDIT: as a proof: check how long this toy can tackle full dronage thanathos/nyx. And next check how long sabre can do this (last time our sabre kept tackle on carrier for abt 20 minutes before hard hitters arrived). Err... dumbass carrier pilot? VS small ships use drones not fighters lol. Last interdictor that tried to keep me down got a horde of hammerheads on him (I won).
Aramendel Amarr North Face Force	Posted - 2007.10.25 01:20:00 - [20] Originally by: Gor Kraon Originally by: CCP Fendahl ...it also comes with some drawbacks. When activated the warp disruption field generator prevents remote assistance... If that was for me, yes I know. But CCP Gangleri was talking about a different effect via script. This should include the option for different penalities, too. (Scripts are some sort of "ammo" you can load into some modules to modify their effect)
Futher Bezluden Minmatar ORIGIN SYSTEMS Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2007.10.25 01:46:00 - [21] Edited by: Futher Bezluden on 25/10/2007 01:48:25 Please, make the mod a "Gravity Well" that affects all in the bubble, not just the heavy dictor. -or at least a "Script" for it to act as one. And it's been proven, a dictor can survive a doomsday. (DD should instapop anything smaller than CS/BS). As a Heavy Dictor... what prevents everything in the enemy fleet from mwd'ing away from you while you're stuck in space going 400m/s with enormous sig radius. Anti-Fleet, but no matter it's setup it'll melt very fast. THUKKER -Be Paranoid Skeet Skeet L33t
Udyr Vulpayne Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.10.25 02:45:00 - [22] Edited by: Udyr Vulpayne on 25/10/2007 02:45:55 how about a script to turn it into a targeted effect vs any type of ship and useable in empire space ... basicly a way to turn it into a highslot warp disruptor with some penalties and the ability to tackle supercaps in empire. or make 2 scripts for that...1 for supercaps with heavy penalties and one for normal ships with lower penalties. edit: the point being that the ship and module get some more uses than jsut that very specialized role of tackling supercaps in 0.0
Chavu Ganja Labs Pure.	Posted - 2007.10.25 03:08:00 - [23] Originally by: CCP Gangleri These ships are aimed at capital and super capital tackling, 'dictors and new and improved 'ceptors don't really need any help with the other ship types. Really? What major difference is there between t2 point and the new bubble on a capital? Same cap, t2 point is med slot while bubble is high slot, t2 point has more range, much easier to fit and doesn't nerf my "get out of dodge ability" I'd fit a Broadsword as a vaga + 2 extra meds for more tanking/cap boosting and fit a t2 pt without bubble. Don't forget that a carrier can just use 2x heavy neuts on the heavy dictor and instantly pwn it (like ceptors on TQ right now) If the heavy dictor can't tank 15 fighters then it is useless since it has no speed. If carriers get nerfed to 5 fighters/drones then anything can tackle a carrier while laughing at it from orbit. Designing a new ship class for ONLY tackling supercapitals makes bunnies cry over the waste of resources.
Futher Bezluden Minmatar ORIGIN SYSTEMS Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2007.10.25 03:08:00 - [24] Perhaps with when CCP works out "SCRIPT" which is supposed to modify the action of the module or "focus" it along some path. Right now without it, as someone in Ships and Mods put it "HI is a 200mil coffin". Nothing prevents capitals and supercaps from cyno'ing out, but that is what "Warp Dis Probes" are for. the 16k base area of affect, 19-20 with HI 4 or 5, is still pretty small compared to the "Interdictor" launchable sphere, but nobody has posted up potential HI costs, nor cost of the Warp Dis Field Generator -though "warp dis probes" are very cheap. At present, I have all but HI skill for the ship once it comes out, but am not impressed with the ship enough to give up the addiction to dictors in general for the purpose of warp disruption spheres -even the disposable q-tip of a ship, the Eris. Aside from the Warp Dis Field Gen, which is 0.0, people will love these ships in empire just for the massive tanks. Passive Tank Onyx is already making caldari pilots wet -but they can use a drake for that with less training and less isk overall. THUKKER -Be Paranoid Skeet Skeet L33t
Deva Blackfire D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.10.25 06:15:00 - [25] Originally by: Icome4u Originally by: Deva Blackfire EDIT: as a proof: check how long this toy can tackle full dronage thanathos/nyx. And next check how long sabre can do this (last time our sabre kept tackle on carrier for abt 20 minutes before hard hitters arrived). Err... dumbass carrier pilot? VS small ships use drones not fighters lol. Last interdictor that tried to keep me down got a horde of hammerheads on him (I won). And exactly how your 2,5-3km/s hammerhead keeps up with 8-10km/s dictor? Also you know that to "tackle" you just need to zoom in, drop bubble, zoom out? You dont need to wait till you get neutralized (and the guy did have neutralizers). Pretty much solo carrier can not fend off normal dictor when dictor pilot knows how to fly it, where killing one immobile hac is just way too simple.
Boonaki Caldari Knights of Chaos Chaos Incarnate.	Posted - 2007.10.25 06:57:00 - [26] with it having to be in a 16k range, it'll be in most supercap web range. Put 6 capital guns or 25 fighters on it, see how long it lasts. Sigs are for losers. Yes this is a sig.
El'essar Viocragh Minmatar FSK23	Posted - 2007.10.25 07:00:00 - [27] Originally by: Boonaki with it having to be in a 16k range You want to reread the ship bonus section of heavy interdictors. -- [17:47] <Mephysto> its dead, jim
Theron Gyrow Gradient Electus Matari	Posted - 2007.10.25 07:31:00 - [28] Now, if this thingy gives the ability to tackle moms/titans in low-sec, things might get interesting... If the penalties will allow them to be remote-repped or speedy in that mode. If not, then meh. -- Gradient forum
Alex Harumichi Gallente Gradient Electus Matari	Posted - 2007.10.25 08:27:00 - [29] So far sounding like a totally useless module, leading to more or less useless ship class. We'll see. If we get the ability to tackle supercaps in lowsec, this might get interesting. As a 0.0 thing, I don't see these doing anything that dictors can't already do, and cheaper (price important because these sound like suicide rigs).
Tiny Carlos Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.10.25 09:51:00 - [30] Edited by: Tiny Carlos on 25/10/2007 09:52:53 Originally by: Deva Blackfire Originally by: Icome4u Originally by: Deva Blackfire EDIT: as a proof: check how long this toy can tackle full dronage thanathos/nyx. And next check how long sabre can do this (last time our sabre kept tackle on carrier for abt 20 minutes before hard hitters arrived). Err... dumbass carrier pilot? VS small ships use drones not fighters lol. Last interdictor that tried to keep me down got a horde of hammerheads on him (I won). And exactly how your 2,5-3km/s hammerhead keeps up with 8-10km/s dictor? Also you know that to "tackle" you just need to zoom in, drop bubble, zoom out? You dont need to wait till you get neutralized (and the guy did have neutralizers). Pretty much solo carrier can not fend off normal dictor when dictor pilot knows how to fly it, where killing one immobile hac is just way too simple. Unless the carrier pilot sucks totaly you'll be neuted when you 'zoom in' to drop the bubble. You need to get in about 18km to drop the buuble effectivly, neut range is 25km+ on a decent neut. edit: still much better off in a 'dictor than one of these new T2 wrecks. "Those are my principles. If you don't like them I have others." - Groucho Marx
Nogsocks Caldari School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2007.10.25 10:31:00 - [31] Well, did you really want the new dictors to completely overshadow the old ones? As it is, destroyers are rare and interdictors fill a very niche role. Give them some reason to fly a destroyer
Andreya Murder-Death-Kill	Posted - 2007.10.25 18:21:00 - [32] i will snap if they make normal dictors obsolete with the heavy dictors... as it is, they have very different roles... but at the same time.. the heavy dictor is lacking something..... it seems too vulnerable at the moment... but dear gawd, dont replace my destroyer dictors!!! _________________________________________________________ Only once you've lost everything, are you free to do anything.
Itzcoatl Minmatar The Guild of Calamitous Intent	Posted - 2007.10.25 22:18:00 - [33] Edited by: Itzcoatl on 25/10/2007 22:18:07 LAWLS no dictor for you monkey boy.
Black Necris Minmatar Black Watch Legionnaires	Posted - 2007.10.25 22:19:00 - [34] I have been a dictor pilot for more than 5 months now, they are fast they do the task and they are good in killing the small ships, BUT they are paper thin. When i heard bout heavy dictors coming out i said "finally" i will be able to solo in my ship or to actually engage in the battle, but upon reading this im just plain disapointed. Its absolutly stupid IMO to penalise a ship for droping a bubble in his speed, fark i would be all up for it if it does the same to all ships, but just the dictor pilot penalized??? come on!! that thing will be the same function as having my small dictor: Get at gate at 0 drop a bubble jump out. When will CCP start to think about the small roaming gangs and stop thinking about the large uber capitals ships engagements WICH BTW YOUR SERVER CANT HANDLE. Im a new player only a year old, but i have been in POS wars and belive me i dont want to see another POS or 50vs50 ever again, IT SUCKS, plain and simple IT SUCKS. Run a poll with your clients about what they think about this and ill think we all agree on this. "Whenever I hear any one arguing for slavery I feel a strong impulse to see it tried on him personally." Your signature exceeds the maximum allowed filesize of 24000 bytes -Rauth Kivaro ([email protected])
Azuse The Brotherhood Of The Blade Pure.	Posted - 2007.10.25 22:28:00 - [35] Originally by: Black Necris I have been a dictor pilot for more than 5 months now, they are fast they do the task and they are good in killing the small ships, BUT they are paper thin. When i heard bout heavy dictors coming out i said "finally" i will be able to solo in my ship or to actually engage in the battle, but upon reading this im just plain disapointed. Its absolutly stupid IMO to penalise a ship for droping a bubble in his speed, fark i would be all up for it if it does the same to all ships, but just the dictor pilot penalized??? come on!! that thing will be the same function as having my small dictor: Get at gate at 0 drop a bubble jump out. When will CCP start to think about the small roaming gangs and stop thinking about the large uber capitals ships engagements WICH BTW YOUR SERVER CANT HANDLE. Im a new player only a year old, but i have been in POS wars and belive me i dont want to see another POS or 50vs50 ever again, IT SUCKS, plain and simple IT SUCKS. Run a poll with your clients about what they think about this and ill think we all agree on this. Whine Whine *** ***. And before you come back at me just go back and actually read what the bloody ship does before trolling. --------------------------
Black Necris Minmatar Black Watch Legionnaires	Posted - 2007.10.25 22:32:00 - [36] Edited by: Black Necris on 25/10/2007 22:35:35 edited "Whenever I hear any one arguing for slavery I feel a strong impulse to see it tried on him personally." Your signature exceeds the maximum allowed filesize of 24000 bytes -Rauth Kivaro ([email protected])
Khan Soriano Beyond Divinity Inc Terra Incognita.	Posted - 2007.10.25 23:08:00 - [37] Originally by: Azuse Originally by: Black Necris I have been a dictor pilot for more than 5 months now, they are fast they do the task and they are good in killing the small ships, BUT they are paper thin. When i heard bout heavy dictors coming out i said "finally" i will be able to solo in my ship or to actually engage in the battle, but upon reading this im just plain disapointed. Its absolutly stupid IMO to penalise a ship for droping a bubble in his speed, fark i would be all up for it if it does the same to all ships, but just the dictor pilot penalized??? come on!! that thing will be the same function as having my small dictor: Get at gate at 0 drop a bubble jump out. When will CCP start to think about the small roaming gangs and stop thinking about the large uber capitals ships engagements WICH BTW YOUR SERVER CANT HANDLE. Im a new player only a year old, but i have been in POS wars and belive me i dont want to see another POS or 50vs50 ever again, IT SUCKS, plain and simple IT SUCKS. Run a poll with your clients about what they think about this and ill think we all agree on this. Whine Whine *** ***. And before you come back at me just go back and actually read what the bloody ship does before trolling. Exactly what a person that already is on the whole Carrier-Mothership bandwagon would say I say nerf capitals to hell and back, make HIs able to solo kill a carrier without support (they can suck vs all other ship classes) and this will teach all you MS wannabes to use them only in fleet battles ----- Arbitrator - Life & Death
Gaogan Gallente Solar Storm Sev3rance	Posted - 2007.10.26 03:50:00 - [38] Originally by: Tiny Carlos Unless the carrier pilot sucks totaly you'll be neuted when you 'zoom in' to drop the bubble. You need to get in about 18km to drop the buuble effectivly, neut range is 25km+ on a decent neut. Are you playing the same game as the rest of us? Even if the dicter has to fly to the carrier from 50km out, it will still get there and drop the bubble and be warping off by the time the carrier gets a lock on it. Even if it does get a lock and neut before the bubble drops, there's this little thing called inertia; the dicter will still make it to the carrier and drop the bubble. I agree, the penalties on this module are entirely too much. With the blown up sig res, this thing is going to go down fast unless it gets some serious remote repping.
Arokan Manturi Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2007.10.26 04:00:00 - [39] Ofc it dont affect other players speed and sig radius. Would be WAY to powered with an aoe "web" and "target painter". The disadvantages are there so u wont be flying the bubble around at ridiculous speeds. The interdictor ofc still has its role. Drop bubbles and get the hell out (for fleet warfar) or to gate camp.
Stellar Vix State War Academy	Posted - 2007.10.26 10:02:00 - [40] Dictors should be the bane of anything-smaller-than-a-capitol-ship, imo thier spheres should no longer effect the abilities of the capitols ships from jumping or warping off if they are immune. Heavy Dictors would be the new bane of bigger-than-most-battleships tackler and having it specified for the role would make it sorta fair. Now imo you need to allow remote assistance still with this ship while its field is deployed, because captiol support will anhilate wihtout a doubt or trouble at all without this feature off, unless your idea is to have them with the choice of turning on or off thier sphere to get help and not. SWA PVP
Mythologist Twisted Attitude Executive Outcomes	Posted - 2007.10.26 10:30:00 - [41] What do you guys think about the possibility to fit the normal bubble launcher AND/OR the new bubble machine? Would it balance it more? Or overpowered?
Kublai Khan Caldari TAOSP Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.10.26 11:14:00 - [42] Edited by: Kublai Khan on 26/10/2007 11:15:53 I have a thread here: http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=621529 about the Interdictor and my take on it both relating to 0.0 PvP in general and Capital warfare. Interdictors are the "you need this ship or forget about winning a fight" ship in 0.0 today & in dire need of a change to make 0.0 PvP more fun. Don't argue against it before you read the posts... & argue there and not here. Dictors are utterly overpowered for their cost and abilities. With ease the most imbalanced ship in EVE. It can do the job you before needed 20 tacklers to do & thats ruined a lot of 0.0 PvP. But yes, there is absolutely no reason what so ever to fly a heavy dictor instead of a small dictor. @ the dice guy advacating that dictors are easily neuted by carriers... your assumption is very wrong.
N'olive Altera Odyssea Tau Ceti Federation	Posted - 2007.10.26 11:28:00 - [43] To sum it up, those Heavy Interdictors looks cool... as long as you don't fit the WDFG :] _____________________________________________________ Olivier C., providing fleet support since 1902. - My Eve videos
Goldis Caldari Mythos Corp RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2007.10.26 11:49:00 - [44] I didnt bother to run numbers, but say, the amarr one has full t2 resistances, in addition to 5% per cruiser lvl, in addition to 7 low slots.. Doenst that make it ultra tough? ---- De Gustibus et Coloribus non disputandum est.
Setana Manoro Gallente Firefly Inc.	Posted - 2007.10.26 11:50:00 - [45] Edited by: Setana Manoro on 26/10/2007 11:55:01 Originally by: Futher Bezluden Turns out the uber Warp Disruption Field Generator, which having looked at the stats: 16km bubble -1 warp str -90% ab/mwd max velocity bonus 50% signature radius bonus -80% mass reduction -80% ab/mwd thrust seems like the perfect thing to combat CCP's idiotic Speedtanking. NO. The bubble is there, but YOUR AB/MWD max velocity is gimped, YOUR AB/MWD thrust is gimped, Your Signature Radius is Larger. 1792m/s Broadsword -10mn T2 mwd active before activating WDFG- dropped to 420m/s. Btw... This module does nothing to the ab/MWD module fitted to ships caught inside the bubble, it's just a mobile 16km area affect 1 pt scram. Useless CCP. Interdictors don't have anything to fear, they'll still have their job when the Heavy's role out. 21:00:00 Hint You are within a warp disruption zone. Get 16800.0 meters from Futher Bezluden's Broadsword to warp. Even fit ship has 2 stabs fit, Its still stuck in your bubble. Don't expect it to act like "Warp Dis Probes" and pull people out of warp off the gate. You can cloak and pop the warp dis field -for 30s at least, then it goes offline. Useful in Empire??? 21:20:04 Notify You cannot do that because it is currently against empire policy to launch, anchor or control objects of that type within their jurisdictions. ============= CCP, Please make the Heavy Dictor Warp Disruption Field Generator Affect ships caught in it's bubble, not only the heavy dictor. With how it works now, people will stick to their interdictors. Sorry you don't have your I-WIN button. Can I have your stuff ? You want a ship that is very fast, can scramble and webb without even targeting, and that has a good strong tank on it. HELL NO ! Failgeddon wrecks CCP for XXX annoyed customers !
Kaar Art of War Cult of War	Posted - 2007.10.26 12:19:00 - [46] They were never meant to reduce the speed of ships inside the bubble (other than your own) You incorrectly read the module stats. --- ---
Deva Blackfire D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.10.26 13:32:00 - [47] Originally by: Goldis I didnt bother to run numbers, but say, the amarr one has full t2 resistances, in addition to 5% per cruiser lvl, in addition to 7 low slots.. Doenst that make it ultra tough? As tough as any other ship with 2x med rep t2 (+ some resists). So: it will die anyways. Only good hvy dictor is onyx thx to insane passive tank on it.
Black Necris Minmatar Black Watch Legionnaires	Posted - 2007.10.27 06:45:00 - [48] Originally by: Setana Manoro Edited by: Setana Manoro on 26/10/2007 11:55:01 Originally by: Futher Bezluden Turns out the uber Warp Disruption Field Generator, which having looked at the stats: 16km bubble -1 warp str -90% ab/mwd max velocity bonus 50% signature radius bonus -80% mass reduction -80% ab/mwd thrust seems like the perfect thing to combat CCP's idiotic Speedtanking. NO. The bubble is there, but YOUR AB/MWD max velocity is gimped, YOUR AB/MWD thrust is gimped, Your Signature Radius is Larger. 1792m/s Broadsword -10mn T2 mwd active before activating WDFG- dropped to 420m/s. Btw... This module does nothing to the ab/MWD module fitted to ships caught inside the bubble, it's just a mobile 16km area affect 1 pt scram. Useless CCP. Interdictors don't have anything to fear, they'll still have their job when the Heavy's role out. 21:00:00 Hint You are within a warp disruption zone. Get 16800.0 meters from Futher Bezluden's Broadsword to warp. Even fit ship has 2 stabs fit, Its still stuck in your bubble. Don't expect it to act like "Warp Dis Probes" and pull people out of warp off the gate. You can cloak and pop the warp dis field -for 30s at least, then it goes offline. Useful in Empire??? 21:20:04 Notify You cannot do that because it is currently against empire policy to launch, anchor or control objects of that type within their jurisdictions. ============= CCP, Please make the Heavy Dictor Warp Disruption Field Generator Affect ships caught in it's bubble, not only the heavy dictor. With how it works now, people will stick to their interdictors. Sorry you don't have your I-WIN button. Can I have your stuff ? You want a ship that is very fast, can scramble and webb without even targeting, and that has a good strong tank on it. HELL NO ! The complain here is this ship will be WORTHLESS in 0.0 unless you are in a ubercapitalmonger alliance, becose if you are dumb enough to drop a bubble trying to tackle/kill lets say a BS you will be going down faster than a Thai sexserver. And if im correct (pls correct me if im wrong) each an every player who has been at least in one of those "uberlagfestcapitalsiegingPOSkilling"* wars think that they are unplayable and simply not fun at all. But yet it seems that CCP fully knowing that their game cant support that kind of node pressure keeps sending the players to those kind of engagements. Making this ship only usable for capital killing its one example. *(i came out with that name and you cant use it without my permition) "Whenever I hear any one arguing for slavery I feel a strong impulse to see it tried on him personally." Your signature exceeds the maximum allowed filesize of 24000 bytes -Rauth Kivaro ([email protected])
Pattern Clarc Infinitus Odium	Posted - 2007.10.27 06:57:00 - [49] Can anyone say triage module MK II ? Sig removed lacks EVE content, email [email protected] if you have any questions - Xorus
aldebaran asteroth	Posted - 2007.10.27 08:32:00 - [50] Originally by: Pattern Clarc Can anyone say triage module MK II ? Triage module MK II
Arshes Nei Omega Fleet Enterprises Executive Outcomes	Posted - 2007.10.27 08:43:00 - [51] Edited by: Arshes Nei on 27/10/2007 08:44:42 Ill be interested what these scripts will do. At it is im disappointed. Still not a ship to hold down supercaps in lowsec, and nothing you would ever want to use in a fleet or even bigger gang. I dont care what kind of tank you think it has, i have seen passive fitted drakes getting onevollied. The guy is dead as soon as his speed drops to 400 and his sig goes up. And if you want to use it vs lone carriers ... dictors are better. Faster warping, faster getting in range, faster getting away if its a trap and less isk down the drain if you loose it. P.S. If i wanted to hold down a carrier, why would i even use the field? I could just use a normal warp disrupt, have less sig, more range can be remote assisted and i am faster. Even if you make a script which allows a different mode of operation, that wouldnt change that this mode is rather limited.
Aramendel Amarr North Face Force	Posted - 2007.10.27 09:48:00 - [52] Originally by: Pattern Clarc Can anyone say triage module MK II ? Don't give them ideas, they will increase its skill requirement to graviton 5.
Cyreen Archer	Posted - 2007.10.27 10:50:00 - [53] Suggestion: Why not change the heavy dictors bubble to a AOE webber trap, so, leave out warpscrambling ability and just let the bubble add -90% ab/mwd max velocity bonus, -80% mass reduction and -80% ab/mwd thrust to all ships in the bubble, so you would still need a normal dictor/ceptor for tackling, the ships inside the trap would align faster to warp, and the HD got a nice role it would fit extremly well (keep nanoships from just getting out of a warpbubble and escape) [ 2007.08.19 12:16:38 ] (combat) Murphy's Law II perfectly strikes Sol-Cluster, wrecking for Database instability.
Setana Manoro Gallente Firefly Inc.	Posted - 2007.10.27 11:30:00 - [54] Originally by: Cyreen Archer Edited by: Cyreen Archer on 27/10/2007 10:58:10 Suggestion: Why not change the heavy dictors bubble to a AOE webber trap, so, leave out warpscrambling ability and just let the bubble add -90% ab/mwd max velocity bonus, -80% mass reduction and -80% ab/mwd thrust to all ships in the bubble. This way you would still need a normal dictor/ceptor for tackling, the ships inside the trap would align faster to warp, and the HD got a nice role it would fill extremly well (keep nanoships from just getting out of a warpbubble and escape) edit: think this would even keep nanoships getting carried through a set bubble if they drop out of warp, when the bubble is set up at a gate. (someone stated that velocity dropped quit fast after activating the bubble) ps: iirc, even some CCP member stated that they wanted to nerfbat nanotanks Because it would be overpowered to hell. Failgeddon wrecks CCP for XXX annoyed customers !
Kagura Nikon Minmatar MASS HOMICIDE Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.10.27 11:48:00 - [55] Originally by: Futher Bezluden Edited by: Futher Bezluden on 25/10/2007 01:48:25 Please, make the mod a "Gravity Well" that affects all in the bubble, not just the heavy dictor. -or at least a "Script" for it to act as one. And it's been proven, a dictor can survive a doomsday. (DD should instapop anything smaller than CS/BS). As a Heavy Dictor... what prevents everything in the enemy fleet from mwd'ing away from you while you're stuck in space going 400m/s with enormous sig radius. Anti-Fleet, but no matter it's setup it'll melt very fast. mm what part of are made to deal with caps and super caps you didnt got? I still never saw a capital go faster than a cruiser withiout MSD. If brute force doesn't solve your problem... you are not using enough
Cyreen Archer	Posted - 2007.10.27 12:07:00 - [56] i was just thinking about giving the HD something useful. Perhaps they would be better fulfilling another role, like helping with small gang warfare, as many players postet that they just suck at dealing with cap ships... It was just another idea of giving this ship a nice purpose, and i don't think they would be overpowered if you drop the bubble range to say 10km for tech 1 and 12km for tech 2 HD spheres, but they would really help catching those nano pirates which can get into your area, kill some guys behind the enemy lines and get out without being punished (perhaps i just got killed quite to often by vagabonds...) On the other hand, noone stops you from putting a warpscrambler on it for tackling caps [ 2007.08.19 12:16:38 ] (combat) Murphy's Law II perfectly strikes Sol-Cluster, wrecking for Database instability.
Freya Selene Infinitus Odium The Church.	Posted - 2007.10.27 14:22:00 - [57] Edited by: Freya Selene on 27/10/2007 14:23:55 :Lagmonster hit:
Kastman FinFleet Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.10.27 14:23:00 - [58] The thing that catches my eye the most is this thb "When activated the warp disruption field generator prevents remote assistance" I mean the hvy dictor will be primary as soon as it tries to tackle a supercap titan/ms. And i would like to se a hac being able to tank 20 fighters from a ms + support without getting some remote rep love. Mayby its doable but it would cost alot.. So please make it able to recive reps from logistik ships/carriers then it would actually stand a chance in a fight. And well de bubble need to work like a ordinary dictor bubble in terms of scram strength so you cant get out just by having a stab.
Freya Selene Infinitus Odium The Church.	Posted - 2007.10.27 14:23:00 - [59] Originally by: CCP Gangleri These ships are aimed at capital and super capital tackling, 'dictors and new and improved 'ceptors don't really need any help with the other ship types. So everyone is going to fly a nano titan? How long will it take for the nano titan to run outside the bubble range?
Nasair	Posted - 2007.10.27 14:38:00 - [60] Originally by: Kastman The thing that catches my eye the most is this thb "When activated the warp disruption field generator prevents remote assistance" I mean the hvy dictor will be primary as soon as it tries to tackle a supercap titan/ms. And i would like to se a hac being able to tank 20 fighters from a ms + support without getting some remote rep love. Mayby its doable but it would cost alot.. So please make it able to recive reps from logistik ships/carriers then it would actually stand a chance in a fight. And well de bubble need to work like a ordinary dictor bubble in terms of scram strength so you cant get out just by having a stab. Apparantly there will be a super capital tackling mode.....
Cortana AI	Posted - 2007.10.27 14:53:00 - [61] Originally by: Futher Bezluden CCP, Please make the Heavy Dictor Warp Disruption Field Generator Affect ships caught in it's bubble, not only the heavy dictor. With how it works now, people will stick to their interdictors. Hmmm lets see no! Heavy Interdictors already have huge armour and shield resistances, so basically affecting the target ships speed without the use of a web, etc is out of the question. They are already a crazy sick breed between its father HAC's and its mother Interdictors, so don't go wanting to get the Ex's (Recon) DNA in there. This is what seems to be wrong in so many things these days. CCP puts alot of effort into things that are actually good, such as new ships and then people go on them for the first time and all they can do is complain. Be greatful that CCP is adding new ships and that you can use them. Otherwise don't post these stupid topics. Cheers - CptEav1s P.S another noob flamed by Eav1s !
Deva Blackfire D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.10.27 15:02:00 - [62] Originally by: Cortana AI Originally by: Futher Bezluden CCP, Please make the Heavy Dictor Warp Disruption Field Generator Affect ships caught in it's bubble, not only the heavy dictor. With how it works now, people will stick to their interdictors. Hmmm lets see no! Heavy Interdictors already have huge armour and shield resistances, so basically affecting the target ships speed without the use of a web, etc is out of the question. They are already a crazy sick breed between its father HAC's and its mother Interdictors, so don't go wanting to get the Ex's (Recon) DNA in there. This is what seems to be wrong in so many things these days. CCP puts alot of effort into things that are actually good, such as new ships and then people go on them for the first time and all they can do is complain. Be greatful that CCP is adding new ships and that you can use them. Otherwise don't post these stupid topics. Cheers - CptEav1s P.S another noob flamed by Eav1s ! Go and fly augoror some! And be glad CCP added this ship to the game, so you can use it.
CptEav1s Gallente	Posted - 2007.10.27 15:12:00 - [63] Edited by: CptEav1s on 27/10/2007 15:12:53 Originally by: Deva Blackfire Go and fly augoror some! And be glad CCP added this ship to the game, so you can use it. Ok lets see #1 were talking about HI's here and #2 most tier 1 Cruisers aren't meant to be pwn ships, they're meant to be more logistical or mining. Also I'm pretty sure its T2 version is kick arse in alot more ways than you give it credit. Long story short most PvPers don't see the point in mining barges except maybe as bait and vice versa. So everyship in the game has a point, if I had enough time I could tell you what all of them were but I've got better things to do. Cheers - CptEav1s Sarge "Hey, Grif chupathingy how bout it? I like it got a ring to it" I BRAKE FOR PUMAS!
Valharu	Posted - 2007.10.27 16:06:00 - [64] I think the hope was that they would have the ability to help counter Nano ships which has been a major issue. Best time to meet them is at a gate. Though I believe haveing the new Hvy Dictor Sphere work as a web is out of the question. Giving it the ability to Jam MWDs and stop Warping/Jumping is not a bad idea. It sticks within the context of the areas of Warp Fields and leaves sublight ship speeds alone and Afterburners alone. So those ships who are inhearntly fast, at still fast under their own power and that of a Afterburner. But I think the neg side effects to the Dictor Generator are to Harsh. I could see it being slowed down some but not as much as it is now stated and I think the Sig neg modifier is just out of the question. I am sure the ship will be very costly and will be a prim target and makeing its sig larger during its HI operation is not make the risk vs reward worth it. Yes the HI will step on the toes of the old dictor but no more so then the new T2 Recon/Frigs coming out. They will not be made obsolete, their speed sublight wise and warp wise will still be unmatched.
Deva Blackfire D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.10.27 16:40:00 - [65] Originally by: CptEav1s Edited by: CptEav1s on 27/10/2007 15:12:53 Originally by: Deva Blackfire Go and fly augoror some! And be glad CCP added this ship to the game, so you can use it. Ok lets see #1 were talking about HI's here and #2 most tier 1 Cruisers aren't meant to be pwn ships, they're meant to be more logistical or mining. Also I'm pretty sure its T2 version is kick arse in alot more ways than you give it credit. Long story short most PvPers don't see the point in mining barges except maybe as bait and vice versa. So everyship in the game has a point, if I had enough time I could tell you what all of them were but I've got better things to do. Cheers - CptEav1s If you dont understand irony then ill explain it to you. I WILL NOT be grateful (like you stated) when CCP adds **** to the game because i can fly it. Crap is crap, new crap in game is still... surprise: crap. Atm normal dictor can do much more than heavy dictor. Will see how "scripts" help the situation but if role remans "0,0 capital ship tackler" then the ship might as well be removed, because SPEED > TANK. Thats pretty easy one. EWAR => SPEED > GANK >>>>> TANK. Tank is and will be at bottom of the food chain because of many various reasons (mostly being: focused fire, vulnerability to cap draining, tho while remote repping also EWar kills it).
Arana Tellen Gallente The Blackguard Wolves Knights Of the Southerncross	Posted - 2007.10.29 01:57:00 - [66] Please note the script in the interdiction sphere generator --------------------------------- Core 2 Duo E4300 1.8ghz @ 3ghz
mamolian M. Corp M. PIRE	Posted - 2007.10.29 02:10:00 - [67] Originally by: Aramendel Wrong. It gimps YOUR mwd/ab. Not theirs. The only effect of the bubble is anti warp. There's a reason the bubble stat is called "warp scramble range". Thankfully in my opinion.. A webber bubble would destroy the last refuge of solo pilots facing the gank/blob... -------------------------------

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