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CommanderInChief The-Secret-Service Retribution.	Posted - 2007.10.25 16:36:00 - [1] Edited by: CommanderInChief on 25/10/2007 16:39:15 (Reposted due to old one getting locked for linking so i have to post the whole thing!) Let me introduce 'The United Alliances Of Eve (UAE)' simple and aptly named. *What is 'The United Alliances Of Eve '* The United Alliances Of Eve has now been formed by Retribution Alliance, to basically aid smaller alliances to branch into 0.0, be part of a stronger pvp organisation, and industrial setup, but have the proection and help of other alliances within the Coalition. We feel as space is becoming more contested and already occupied bu some of the bigger alliances, it was becoming increasing difficult for alliances of around 100 - 400 members to break out and gain their own territory, without either renting or becoming a 'pet' to a big alliance. Alliance leaders have spent time and money on their alliances, and do not want to give that up by merges or anything like that. This gives them the opportunity to stay in control but be part of something bigger - much bigger. We are effectively an alliance of alliances - we work off the same rules, we help and protect each other without hesitation, we live,die and fight together and we reap the rewards together. United Alliances Of Eve will become a major force who can and will compete against the bigger alliances AS ONE.. *Whats the Structure?* United Alliances Of Eve will have a senate or board of Alliance Leaders, each leader of the alliances will have a say in what and how we progress. There will be one overall Coalition Leader *What Else Can You Have?* Ok there will be not many retrictions. We are based in good systems at moment and this is where we will be based for now. So you can mine, place POSes, rat, pvp etc. But we work as an alliance would work. We do not require splinter alliances or alliances that do not work with The United Alliances Of Eve *What Are The Requirements* We require alliances with around 100-400 members We will of course consider more If you lower than 100 then we can consider merging the alliance or bring your corps into Retribution Alliance. You can still keep your alliance with an alt if you wish We require alliances with good pvp or industrial alliances Alliances that want to be part of something bigger and stake a claim to 0.0. So that means no carebears, active ops etc. Alliances that will work together with other alliances to form basically one big alliance working under the same rules. If alliances dont comply then they will be removed from United Alliances Of Eve This is the only real rule. We cannot be a strong outfit if we dont work together. *Need More Information* Of course you will have many questions, so feel free to contact me via evemail or ingame. Even just to regsiter interest. You can also join our public channel Retribution Alliance Public and chat with other potential alliances. We have a good response so far and places are limited. We look forward to hearing from you CommanderInChief
NO BRAKES GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.10.25 16:37:00 - [2] This sounds kinda neat. Good luck!
Mr Broker Amarr Station Gremlings	Posted - 2007.10.25 16:39:00 - [3] Edited by: Mr Broker on 25/10/2007 16:40:52 How would you defend this space with a whole bunch of small unexperienced alliances? edit: Look at Frege, they very were big (nd biggest alliance for awhile), had quite some time to get organized, but died so quickly to an ordinary 0.0 alliance.
CommanderInChief The-Secret-Service Retribution.	Posted - 2007.10.25 16:42:00 - [4] Edited by: CommanderInChief on 25/10/2007 16:42:55 Well remember just because they are small doesnt mean they are inexperienced mate or not damn good pvpers etc. 100-400 at the top end isnt exactly small. But even a 100 man alliance with good experience would not be able to cope with a large alliance, so this enables them to be involved with that. And of course we WILL ensure that we get good strong alliances. We are not just gonna let every single person in just for the numbers, we must ensure we can compete as well.
Kun'mi Amarr DarkStar 1 GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.10.25 16:44:00 - [5] how will you hold sov? the current game mechanic are not set up to allow for an 'alliance of alliances' interesting idea though
Mr Broker Amarr Station Gremlings	Posted - 2007.10.25 16:47:00 - [6] Edited by: Mr Broker on 25/10/2007 16:48:57 Edited by: Mr Broker on 25/10/2007 16:48:14 The thing is, if you're advertising recruitment for it, then you won't get strong or compatible alliances. A small strong alliance can always become a resident without paying rent with most bigger alliances. They would then gain experience, make friends and then be able to form a capable alliance. You're trying to skip a lot of important parts.
CommanderInChief The-Secret-Service Retribution.	Posted - 2007.10.25 16:48:00 - [7] good question, Sov isnt in the total interest as yet. But this will go by the way or assigning systems to alliances is probably the easist way. Thanks for the positives btw
Mr Broker Amarr Station Gremlings	Posted - 2007.10.25 16:51:00 - [8] Edited by: Mr Broker on 25/10/2007 16:52:12 Originally by: CommanderInChief But this will go by the way or assigning systems to alliances is probably the easist way. The thing is, when an overwhelming force comes at you, and your small alliances realize they stand no chance, some will switch sides, and then the rest collapse on rumours. I'm just saying, these are basic 0.0 facts. If you're not one alliance or a handfull of very big alliances, then you can't work together well.
CommanderInChief The-Secret-Service Retribution.	Posted - 2007.10.25 16:51:00 - [9] Originally by: Mr Broker Edited by: Mr Broker on 25/10/2007 16:48:14 The thing is, if you're advertising recruitment for it, then you won't get strong or compatible alliances. A small strong alliance can always become a resident without paying rent with most bigger alliances. They would then gain experience, make friends and then be able to form a capable alliance. You're trying to do it overnight, and you will fail. In fact, the rest of 0.0 won't allow you to suceed Not trying to do anything overnight m8 Being playing this game for a long time, so I do have some experience :) As i said we will ensure the alliances we get are strong, the rules are dont participate you are removed simple. Wont allow us to do it? Well thats exactly the purpose of this, so we can stand up to that threat.
CommanderInChief The-Secret-Service Retribution.	Posted - 2007.10.25 16:54:00 - [10] Edited by: CommanderInChief on 25/10/2007 16:56:46 Originally by: Mr Broker Originally by: CommanderInChief But this will go by the way or assigning systems to alliances is probably the easist way. The thing is, when an overwhelming force comes at you, and your small alliances realize they stand no chance, some will switch sides, and then the rest collapse on rumours. But its not just going to be that small alliance is it? The coalition is to bring all those alliances into one big alliance effectively. As i have stated we live die and fight together. Even if we have say just 10 - 100 man alliances who are pretty strong thats 1000 members, thats enough to compete with anyone.easily... Please dont underestimate the possibilites of this, if we do this right we could become a leading force - or perhaps thats what you are worried about
General Tsao GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.10.25 16:54:00 - [11] I hope you succeed, the ascendancy of new and wholly independent power blocs in eve will be good for the game.
CommanderInChief The-Secret-Service Retribution.	Posted - 2007.10.25 16:56:00 - [12] Thanks good to hear supportive comments
Righteous Fury Slacker Industries Exuro Mortis	Posted - 2007.10.25 17:11:00 - [13] The next time you spam my email inbox with your inane ramblings on why I should disband my alliance and join your ridiculous waste of time, I'm going to grief your group out of existence.
Stamm Amarr RHC RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2007.10.25 17:15:00 - [14] This is a recruitment post, put it in the recruitment section. Galaxian Recruitment Info
Mitch Taylor Dark-Rising	Posted - 2007.10.25 17:20:00 - [15] Good luck to you, sounds like quite alot of work! technically its not a recruitment thread, its more summit if you ask me. Mitch www.dark-rising.co.uk
Mitch Taylor Dark-Rising	Posted - 2007.10.25 17:21:00 - [16] Originally by: Mr Broker The thing is, when an overwhelming force comes at you, and your small alliances realize they stand no chance, some will switch sides, and then the rest collapse on rumours. Speculative much? www.dark-rising.co.uk
Disteeler Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2007.10.25 17:35:00 - [17] Edited by: Disteeler on 25/10/2007 17:36:19 Nice one. Drone region alliances did something similar called MAD (Mutual Alliance Defense or something like that). They had some succes and some failures during 8-10 months from it's creation but and it was very interesting, hard to manage but also great potential for defense, market and fun. Don't really know if it's still up after Roadkill/Smahsh conflict but probably it is in some sort of incarnation with less alliances.
Stamm Amarr RHC RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2007.10.25 17:37:00 - [18] I've spent some time and looked into this. So I'll put a warning on this : Don't touch this with a barge pole. It's a recruitment scam. Galaxian Recruitment Info
CommanderInChief The-Secret-Service Retribution.	Posted - 2007.10.25 18:10:00 - [19] Originally by: Stamm I've spent some time and looked into this. So I'll put a warning on this : Don't touch this with a barge pole. It's a recruitment scam. What an absolute ridiculous statement..spent time looking lokng into what? I only started it the other day. Honestly i really dont care what you say.
CommanderInChief The-Secret-Service Retribution.	Posted - 2007.10.25 18:14:00 - [20] Originally by: Righteous Fury The next time you spam my email inbox with your inane ramblings on why I should disband my alliance and join your ridiculous waste of time, I'm going to grief your group out of existence. Oh stop it was one email thats not spam jeez grow up..look guys i honestly dont care what you think, really i dont, this will work, recruitment scam how sad, why do you alwys think something is dodgy, ive been in this game for about 3 years, and ppl know me wh the hell would i risk my reputation on a scam - get real ffs - the reason why you say such crap is your scared this could actually work and be a threat to you. Anymore silly comments then bring it on...... Otherwise thanks for the support from the ones who think we are actually doing something good.
CommanderInChief The-Secret-Service Retribution.	Posted - 2007.10.25 18:16:00 - [21] There the recruitment bit removed for you paranoid ones!.
Johlie Caldari RONA Corporation FREGE Alliance	Posted - 2007.10.25 18:52:00 - [22] Edited by: Johlie on 25/10/2007 18:54:11 Originally by: Mr Broker Edited by: Mr Broker on 25/10/2007 16:40:52 How would you defend this space with a whole bunch of small unexperienced alliances? edit: Look at Frege, they very were big (nd biggest alliance for awhile), had quite some time to get organized, but died so quickly to an ordinary 0.0 alliance. An alliance? Last I checked smash and roadkill were 2 alliances, they also were not the only alliance attacking us. Edit: Also I think youre alliance could work if people are dedicated. Good luck.
Graalum Foundation R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.10.25 19:05:00 - [23] Originally by: Johlie Edited by: Johlie on 25/10/2007 18:54:11 Originally by: Mr Broker Edited by: Mr Broker on 25/10/2007 16:40:52 How would you defend this space with a whole bunch of small unexperienced alliances? edit: Look at Frege, they very were big (nd biggest alliance for awhile), had quite some time to get organized, but died so quickly to an ordinary 0.0 alliance. An alliance? Last I checked smash and roadkill were 2 alliances, they also were not the only alliance attacking us. Edit: Also I think youre alliance could work if people are dedicated. Good luck. your right we had atlas too.
airdefense Yonder Mountain Productions PROBABLE CAUSE	Posted - 2007.10.25 20:23:00 - [24] I think this could work if you do enlist a few dedicated alliances. Goodluck
Starfall Hammer Starfall Industries	Posted - 2007.10.25 20:44:00 - [25] Originally by: Graalum Originally by: Johlie Edited by: Johlie on 25/10/2007 18:54:11 Originally by: Mr Broker Edited by: Mr Broker on 25/10/2007 16:40:52 How would you defend this space with a whole bunch of small unexperienced alliances? edit: Look at Frege, they very were big (nd biggest alliance for awhile), had quite some time to get organized, but died so quickly to an ordinary 0.0 alliance. An alliance? Last I checked smash and roadkill were 2 alliances, they also were not the only alliance attacking us. Edit: Also I think youre alliance could work if people are dedicated. Good luck. your right we had atlas too. And Ka-Tet?
CARY Dawn of a new Empire Pure.	Posted - 2007.10.28 07:00:00 - [26] Originally by: Mr Broker Edited by: Mr Broker on 25/10/2007 16:40:52 How would you defend this space with a whole bunch of small unexperienced alliances? edit: Look at Frege, they very were big (nd biggest alliance for awhile), had quite some time to get organized, but died so quickly to an ordinary 0.0 alliance. I am going to have to agree with Mr Broker on this one. I think its a great idea what you are going to start out with, But an alliance like this you need to know you really can't make any real impact even if you grew over 2000 members. Any alliance that has many smaller corps with in it will fall apart. There is little direction and Command. A 20 to 40 Small Alliance corps really can't handle a 1 large corp of 300. 1 commmand is easy to handle, In so many small corps some members if not happy with a command will take their ball and go home if they don't like the command. Its just much better to command and control. Here is an option for you. Form up your Alliance and after so many months The alliance will form up Mega Corps. Try to grow into at lease 2 or 3 Mega Corps. You will become a much better Alliance over time that way. If you be an alliance of many Corps you will have some serious SOV issues and operational issues..Yu will be able to gain Sov and command much easier.
Mitch Taylor Dark-Rising	Posted - 2007.10.28 13:17:00 - [27] Originally by: CARY Originally by: Mr Broker Edited by: Mr Broker on 25/10/2007 16:40:52 How would you defend this space with a whole bunch of small unexperienced alliances? edit: Look at Frege, they very were big (nd biggest alliance for awhile), had quite some time to get organized, but died so quickly to an ordinary 0.0 alliance. I am going to have to agree with Mr Broker on this one. I think its a great idea what you are going to start out with, But an alliance like this you need to know you really can't make any real impact even if you grew over 2000 members. Any alliance that has many smaller corps with in it will fall apart. There is little direction and Command. A 20 to 40 Small Alliance corps really can't handle a 1 large corp of 300. 1 commmand is easy to handle, In so many small corps some members if not happy with a command will take their ball and go home if they don't like the command. Its just much better to command and control. Here is an option for you. Form up your Alliance and after so many months The alliance will form up Mega Corps. Try to grow into at lease 2 or 3 Mega Corps. You will become a much better Alliance over time that way. If you be an alliance of many Corps you will have some serious SOV issues and operational issues..Yu will be able to gain Sov and command much easier. Your perception of how an alliance works is dictated by your own experience, just because pure wouldnt work without your unified front it does not mean that others will follow suit. For some of you older players here you may remember a time before 'alliances' as official organisations. None of us had any major issues keeping ourselves from falling apart and under the conditions of some of the best wars this game has seen. Mitch *signature removed - please email us to find out why (include a link) - Jacques([email protected]) www.dark-rising.co.uk
CommanderInChief The-Secret-Service Retribution.	Posted - 2007.10.30 11:48:00 - [28] Edited by: CommanderInChief on 30/10/2007 11:50:49 Well we now have a couple of alliances joined up and a few more interested, so its begun..! Dedication is the key word, we have that we will succeed.
CommanderInChief The-Secret-Service Retribution.	Posted - 2007.10.30 11:50:00 - [29] Originally by: CARY Originally by: Mr Broker Edited by: Mr Broker on 25/10/2007 16:40:52 How would you defend this space with a whole bunch of small unexperienced alliances? edit: Look at Frege, they very were big (nd biggest alliance for awhile), had quite some time to get organized, but died so quickly to an ordinary 0.0 alliance. I am going to have to agree with Mr Broker on this one. I think its a great idea what you are going to start out with, But an alliance like this you need to know you really can't make any real impact even if you grew over 2000 members. Any alliance that has many smaller corps with in it will fall apart. There is little direction and Command. A 20 to 40 Small Alliance corps really can't handle a 1 large corp of 300. 1 commmand is easy to handle, In so many small corps some members if not happy with a command will take their ball and go home if they don't like the command. Its just much better to command and control. Here is an option for you. Form up your Alliance and after so many months The alliance will form up Mega Corps. Try to grow into at lease 2 or 3 Mega Corps. You will become a much better Alliance over time that way. If you be an alliance of many Corps you will have some serious SOV issues and operational issues..Yu will be able to gain Sov and command much easier. Again we wont be getting inexperienced alliances just because they aint big doesnt mean they inexperienced. AS stated we will limit the number of alliances to make it manageable. The rules are that alliances work together as one, otherwise they will be removed from the coalition. There is command structure and I myself will ensure its kept in line with our charter and policies.
PaddyPaddy Nihildarnik Gallente Rampage Eternal Ka-Tet	Posted - 2007.10.30 12:03:00 - [30] Originally by: Starfall Hammer Originally by: Graalum Originally by: Johlie Edited by: Johlie on 25/10/2007 18:54:11 Originally by: Mr Broker Edited by: Mr Broker on 25/10/2007 16:40:52 How would you defend this space with a whole bunch of small unexperienced alliances? edit: Look at Frege, they very were big (nd biggest alliance for awhile), had quite some time to get organized, but died so quickly to an ordinary 0.0 alliance. An alliance? Last I checked smash and roadkill were 2 alliances, they also were not the only alliance attacking us. Edit: Also I think youre alliance could work if people are dedicated. Good luck. your right we had atlas too. And Ka-Tet? has to be a Ka-tet alt. Obviously even our own allies dont remember us too well. Nice to know our efforts were appreciated Graalum Peace WithinSo if the theory of relativity is true, shouldn't i arrive at my destination before i warped in the first place? Neon GhostYou do, but this is compensated for by lag

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