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Damir36
Gallente
PPN United
Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2007.10.30 12:16:00 -
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Edited by: Damir36 on 30/10/2007 12:17:10
Hmmm, the idea is intresting, but do you have a little bit more about how you would organize such a thing?
There is the question of money, will there be a monthly fee for participating? The question of ressources, how will you distribute hunting- and mining areas? How will you settle disputes between the members and what are the rules for diffrent alliances living together?
My personal opinion is that this could get very difficult over time. Everybody is proud of his own Alliance and a real or percieved slight by someone could get ugly very quickly.
To make this work you would need a very strong leader that has the respect of all the leaders of the participating Alliances and my expierience with Allianceleaders is, that they will not have somebody telling them what to do. Thats one of the reasons that they became Leaders and important for the job.
But this will make it difficult to let them agree on varios matters.
And you need a big fat aim for your "Alliance of Alliances". Just occuping 0.0 space will not be enough becauce bored pilots start to squabble very quickly if the do not have a common enemie and the chance to shoot at him. I am really intrestet in your Idea but very sceptic. And I miss a lot of this things in your original post.
Well, keep us posted how this thing works out.
Oh, and sorry, english is not my native language (as i am sure you noticed :-))
GrnŻe
Damir
Beware: German Link!:)
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CommanderInChief
The-Secret-Service
Retribution.
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Posted - 2007.10.30 12:28:00 -
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Edited by: CommanderInChief on 30/10/2007 12:28:57
 Originally by: Damir36
Edited by: Damir36 on 30/10/2007 12:17:10
Hmmm, the idea is intresting, but do you have a little bit more about how you would organize such a thing?
There is the question of money, will there be a monthly fee for participating? The question of ressources, how will you distribute hunting- and mining areas? How will you settle disputes between the members and what are the rules for diffrent alliances living together?
My personal opinion is that this could get very difficult over time. Everybody is proud of his own Alliance and a real or percieved slight by someone could get ugly very quickly.
To make this work you would need a very strong leader that has the respect of all the leaders of the participating Alliances and my expierience with Allianceleaders is, that they will not have somebody telling them what to do. Thats one of the reasons that they became Leaders and important for the job.
But this will make it difficult to let them agree on varios matters.
And you need a big fat aim for your "Alliance of Alliances". Just occuping 0.0 space will not be enough becauce bored pilots start to squabble very quickly if the do not have a common enemie and the chance to shoot at him. I am really intrestet in your Idea but very sceptic. And I miss a lot of this things in your original post.
Well, keep us posted how this thing works out.
Oh, and sorry, english is not my native language (as i am sure you noticed :-))
Firstly thanks for the vote of confidence.
Ok lets break this down..
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There is the question of money, will there be a monthly fee for participating?
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There will be no monthly fee, alliances already have to pay fees why pay more..The aim is to become as one and help each other.
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how will you distribute hunting- and mining areas?
Again this is not about segregation, the aim is to be one big alliance, just like guys, you let your members rat or mine anywhere.
The rules will be set out in the charter, all alliances work as one, we live, die and fight together. The rules are the same for everyone, consistent breaking or rules or none participation then they are removed from the coalition.
Disputes will be settled amicably, if we are as one then we should be on the same side.
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How will you settle disputes between the members and what are the rules for diffrent alliances living together?
The structure is to have one coalition leader - Myself.
Who will oversee the whole operation, and yes I feel im a strong enough leader, as i have the vision and passion to make this work. I believe we can make this very successful but dedication is needed.
There will then be a senate/board/counsel where each alliance leader will have a seat. A discuss decisions and ways forward.
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Thats one of the reasons that they became Leaders and important for the job.
But this will make it difficult to let them agree on varios matters.
as above, but yes thats why we have a counsel to vote on matters, not everyone will agree on everything, that never happens even in RL politics.
And yes thats why i created the coalition as alliance leaders dont want to give that power up, this enables them to do that but also be part of something much much bigger.
Hope this answers your questions a little more.
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CommanderInChief
The-Secret-Service
Retribution.
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Posted - 2007.10.30 16:18:00 -
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And remember this isnt just about creating a large coalition its about helping the smaller alliances to succeed where they perhaps couldnt.
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Praetor Invictus
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.10.30 16:33:00 -
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Good luck.
Keep your taxes low and your members motivated.
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axxll
Amarr
Cirrius Technologies
O X I D E
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Posted - 2007.10.30 17:41:00 -
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Damir36,
Your English is a heck of a lot better than mine would be using your native language. Keep up with your English lessons.
CommanderInChief,
I wish you the best in your coming endeavor, you'll need it.
Axxll
ima miner 49er
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Elizabeth Fallbrook
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.10.30 18:39:00 -
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I suppose I don't have a complete understanding of how your enterprise is supposed to work. At face value, it seems that you're cobbling together alliances that are thus far unproven in 0.0 space and asking them to become the next RSF/GBC/MAD. It seems that there are a lot of important steps being skipped in the foundation of a proper 0.0 confederation. Can you show why this apparatus is different from, or better than, what others had been doing long before this point?
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CommanderInChief
The-Secret-Service
Retribution.
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Posted - 2007.10.30 22:15:00 -
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Update - 3 alliances now joined up!
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Hrin
Minmatar
Merch Industrial
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.10.30 22:46:00 -
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Well, good luck. If you have the will, you can probably carve out some 0.0 for yourself. Be careful not to over-reach. You may have people who are experienced gankers or industrialists, but pos warfare is quite different.
I imagine diplomacy will be incredibly important to your UAE.
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Grimpak
Gallente
Trinity Nova
KIA Alliance
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Posted - 2007.10.30 23:11:00 -
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2 things:
- don't get too*****y. arrogance can cause downfall of empires;
- baby steps. don't go too fast.
that said, just be careful that you don't take the way of CFS.
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Patch86
Di-Tron Heavy Industries
Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2007.10.30 23:11:00 -
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Originally by: CommanderInChief
Update - 3 alliances now joined up!
Who?
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Originally by: CCP Prism X
There's no such thing as playing too much EvE!
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VoYvod
Murder-Death-Kill
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Posted - 2007.10.31 00:02:00 -
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i could see something like this working - look at the U.N. and all the other similar groups , but this is eve and a bunch of alliances trying to work 2gether will be pretty hard to lead and might have more chiefs than indians
pretty much what im saying all those small alliances will have to vote for a designated decision maker otherwise it probably wont work
if ccp introduce a coalition option into eve for alliances to become more official allies then i could definately see something like this work
good luck with this idea
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Astarte Nosferatu
We Know Derek
Derek Knows Us
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Posted - 2007.10.31 00:04:00 -
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Originally by: Patch86
Originally by: CommanderInChief
Update - 3 alliances now joined up!
Who?
Good question  .
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Idaeus
Gallente
Earned In Blood
Black Sun Cartel
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Posted - 2007.10.31 00:08:00 -
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Interesting concept, but good luck getting it to work. Right now the tools you have to work with are crude at best.
IOI - Earned In Blood |
Adirawin
Gallente
The Knighthawks
FREGE Alliance
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Posted - 2007.10.31 00:12:00 -
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Originally by: Starfall Hammer
Originally by: Graalum
Originally by: Johlie
Edited by: Johlie on 25/10/2007 18:54:11
Originally by: Mr Broker
Edited by: Mr Broker on 25/10/2007 16:40:52
How would you defend this space with a whole bunch of small unexperienced alliances?
edit: Look at Frege, they very were big (nd biggest alliance for awhile), had quite some time to get organized, but died so quickly to an ordinary 0.0 alliance.
An alliance? Last I checked smash and roadkill were 2 alliances, they also were not the only alliance attacking us.
Edit: Also I think youre alliance could work if people are dedicated. Good luck.
your right we had atlas too.
And Ka-Tet?
And Rogue Drones?
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Andargor theWise
Collateral Damage Unlimited
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.10.31 01:02:00 -
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Edited by: Andargor theWise on 31/10/2007 01:02:59
Originally by: VoYvod
i could see something like this working - look at the U.N. and all the other similar groups , but this is eve and a bunch of alliances trying to work 2gether will be pretty hard to lead and might have more chiefs than indians
I'm not sure the UN would be a good example in this case (sorry for the RL reference, mods, but we are talking analogies).
Don't forget the UN has essentially classes of voters, and is only really semi-democratic outside of the Security Council. It's as if Allies and the Coalition would join, and could veto whatever decision is taken by the smaller alliances.
Perhaps better examples would be the Arab League, the African Union, the Latin Union, or the Council of Europe.
To the OP, I think you need a constitution so that people understand what you are doing. A draft that your founding members will vote on, and that others will adhere to. You need to be clear.
I for one encourage you, as this is one of the things I was thinking about when I started in Eve.
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Stop the Feature Glut: Take the API to the Next Level
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Brunn Leinbach
Owl Trading
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Posted - 2007.10.31 02:31:00 -
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Good stuff, keep it up mate your onto gold imo
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Jerran Ragnar
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Posted - 2007.10.31 04:55:00 -
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Seems very interesting and ambitious. I look forward to seeing how this turns out.
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WraithFire
Cassandra's Light
Dark Matter Coalition
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Posted - 2007.10.31 05:21:00 -
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This idea is ambitious; however, it is a little bit way far out. The concept gives light to this new idea of small alliances trying to break through the big leagues by allying themselves with other small alliances, which is something remarkable. Although it sound good and ideally alluring, it lacks feasibility due to lofty goals that completely ignores a huge percentage of realism.
First, the north is a dynamic place. Alot of alliances has come and gone there, and small alliances would find it difficult to be on the competive side of it. Look, I am not saying that small alliances cannot do good on their own there, but what I am saying is that good does not cut it. You have to be better than good because of the TRI factor presence in the area.
Second, the structure is one big fat bureacracy. It is a perfect recipe for disaster. I mean the senate thing is a no go. However, the board of alliance leaders is feasible but shaky, to say the least.
Third, one cannot help but wonder the commitment of small alliances in this concept. They have to be 100% on this, not to mention, that they would be asked to deploy bs and capitals at their own expense. Even huge alliances have this problem, but they were able to wing it somehow because they already occupy a certain portion of 0.0 that would enable their capital pilots to recuperate the loss. In the United Alliances portion, they have not been able to secure a 0.0 space yet to somehow compensate with capital ship loss.
Lastly, if the United Alliances of Eve are able to secure a portion of 0.0 in Branch, they would be asked to declare, which side will they take on the current Eve War. One way or the other, UAE have to decide, which side are they on. and the answer would have a huge impact on the survival of UAE as a new idea, a new way of thinking and hopefully, a new perspective.
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