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Verreuckter Nubs. D-L	Posted - 2007.10.25 16:58:00 - [1] I've been quiet in most forums, whether they be good or bad ideas, stupid opinions, or great ideas. But recently I've gotten quiet frustrated with a certain game mechanic. This isn't a whine, nor a troll, its just a problem that is borked. Cloaking It seems that every ship in eve (well almost every ship) fits or has had a cloak fitted to it at some point. Why are cloaks allowed to be fit on anything other then ships that are dedicated cloakers? yes fitting a cloak screws with your lock time but thats just not enough. Battleships down to haulers shouldnt have the cpu available to put a cloak on. I've recently encountered isk farmers that ss and cloak as soon as local gets a bump. how do i know their isk farmers? names like kissmm, and kissmmm, and ;alskdjf kinda give it away How are the actual players in eve supposed to help rid the game of these isk farmers when they sit cloaked in a system until they are alone again? its not just the one guy in every 42 systems that has a cloak fitted, its every single ratting raven, or even a typhoon/celestis gang that fits these. My fix/suggestion should fix this problem without a problem. Make the cpu req's for any of the cloaks ******** like 1000 or more. that way the only people able to use the cloaks are the people flying the ships meant to cloak, and have spent the training time to use those ships/cloaks. or just make it so cloaks are role specific, like the dictor bubble launcher, it can only be used on dictors, nothing else, make cloaks only able to be used on actual cloakers. If this isnt possible, how about a probe that gets within 10-20km of the cloaked ship (if its not ment to cloak, like a raven) if it is a ship thats meant to cloak maybe a deviation of 100km? that way it would be very possible to get close enough to uncloak them? please don't reply with stupid comments, constructive criticism only.
Tarminic Forsaken Resistance	Posted - 2007.10.25 17:02:00 - [2] I think that cloaks should be used on ships other than covert ops, but I agree that their usage is a bit much at the moment. Here's what I would suggest: 1. Make regular cloaking devices reduce sig. radius by 75% when active 2. Make cloaked ships scannable (combined with #1, makes them four times as hard to scan) 3. Make covert ops cloaking devices reduce signature radius by 99% when active - this makes scanning down a cloaked covert ops ship practically impossible to scan down ---------------- Tarminic - 29 million SP in Forum Warfare Originally by: CCP Wrangler Booooo!!! Tarminic sux!!!
Maltitol Gallente Tides of Silence Hydra Alliance	Posted - 2007.10.25 17:13:00 - [3] Edited by: Maltitol on 25/10/2007 17:16:24 Edited by: Maltitol on 25/10/2007 17:13:42 NERF TARMINIC! I agree with the views in the ops post Originally by: CCP Wrangler Well boohoo.
Tarminic Forsaken Resistance	Posted - 2007.10.25 17:17:00 - [4] Originally by: Maltitol Edited by: Maltitol on 25/10/2007 17:13:42 NERF TARMINIC! I agree with the views in this post I wonder if someone is going to pay me to whine about myself soon? ---------------- Tarminic - 29 million SP in Forum Warfare Originally by: CCP Wrangler Booooo!!! Tarminic sux!!!
SexxxSlave	Posted - 2007.10.25 17:36:00 - [5] Originally by: Verreuckter ANOTHER Cloak-induced whine so whats the matter, got a load of cloaking goons in your rented space from BoB? Maybe if you guys spent more time defending your space as opposed to low sec pirating, you wouldnt have people sitting cloaked in GR and E2 all day.
Sacul Wreckless Abandon Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.10.25 17:43:00 - [6] djeezus Tarminic even rivals with DS......u f-5'ing on several computers or something? ow and cloacks....mwehh its a game feauture like lag. The stone age didn't end because we ran out of stones!
RuleoftheBone Minmatar Veto. Veto Corp	Posted - 2007.10.25 17:52:00 - [7] Let the tail-chasing begin! "Lead Me..Follow Me..Or get the **** out of my way" General George Patton USA
Kimiko Kurosawa The Krugerrand Groupies	Posted - 2007.10.25 17:58:00 - [8] AHA! I knew it! I knew that if we left it long enough the carrier whines would subside to make way for the old classics.
Verreuckter Nubs. D-L	Posted - 2007.10.25 18:02:00 - [9] Originally by: SexxxSlave Originally by: Verreuckter ANOTHER Cloak-induced whine so whats the matter, got a load of cloaking goons in your rented space from BoB? Maybe if you guys spent more time defending your space as opposed to low sec pirating, you wouldnt have people sitting cloaked in GR and E2 all day. that has nothing to do with it, what so ever actually, your assumptions make u look like a tard. its the fact that all over eve there are ships with cloaks fitted that are not designed to cloak.
SexxxSlave	Posted - 2007.10.25 18:12:00 - [10] Originally by: Verreuckter Originally by: SexxxSlave Originally by: Verreuckter ANOTHER Cloak-induced whine so whats the matter, got a load of cloaking goons in your rented space from BoB? Maybe if you guys spent more time defending your space as opposed to low sec pirating, you wouldnt have people sitting cloaked in GR and E2 all day. that has nothing to do with it, what so ever actually, your assumptions make u look like a tard. its the fact that all over eve there are ships with cloaks fitted that are not designed to cloak. only victims of cloaking fleets find it necessary to whine on the forums....nuff said.
Snake Doctor MacroIntel	Posted - 2007.10.25 18:19:00 - [11] Please don't break cloaking too. It's perfect the way it is. Rifter Flight Manual!
Einar Lightfingers Domini Umbrus VENOM Alliance	Posted - 2007.10.25 18:33:00 - [12] Originally by: SexxxSlave Originally by: Verreuckter Originally by: SexxxSlave Originally by: Verreuckter ANOTHER Cloak-induced whine so whats the matter, got a load of cloaking goons in your rented space from BoB? Maybe if you guys spent more time defending your space as opposed to low sec pirating, you wouldnt have people sitting cloaked in GR and E2 all day. that has nothing to do with it, what so ever actually, your assumptions make u look like a tard. its the fact that all over eve there are ships with cloaks fitted that are not designed to cloak. only victims of cloaking fleets find it necessary to whine on the forums....nuff said. Wow... assumption ftl! Read the post again. He said isk farmers. Not afk cloakers in system, not hostiles attempting to disrupt ratters/miners. Isk farmers. I know, because I was trying to get those very. same. guys. I was in the same system as Verr. Hell, we even teamed up to try to get them. Assumptions make you look bad, mkay? Oh, and o/ Verr _______________________ CEO of Domini Umbrus
Paulo Damarr	Posted - 2007.10.25 18:44:00 - [13] Originally by: Verreuckter its the fact that all over eve there are ships with cloaks fitted that are not designed to cloak. What gives you the impression that there are ships not designed to cloak? Is it listed in the ships descriptions? or do you have a link to some material published by the designers of the said ships that clearly states the ship is not designed to cloak. As there is a clear distinction of the Covert Ops cloaking device that prevents it from being mounted on most ships but there are no restrictions on the limited cloaking devices there is evidence to suggest that cloaking is a potential option for all ships. You mention "farmers" using them and if indeed they are farmers why should a module be nerfed because the ISK selling gangs use it? The more likely scenario is that people have been evading you and your upset. Originally by: MOTOK0 A bit like the second coming of jesus only with screaming and tears and whine threads.
SoftRevolution	Posted - 2007.10.25 18:53:00 - [14] Er... Quote: My fix/suggestion should fix this problem without a problem. Make the cpu req's for any of the cloaks ******** like 1000 or more. that way the only people able to use the cloaks are the people flying the ships meant to cloak, and have spent the training time to use those ships/cloaks. or just make it so cloaks are role specific, like the dictor bubble launcher, it can only be used on dictors, nothing else, make cloaks only able to be used on actual cloakers. Gosh. That is a good idea. Compare and contrast You know if I'd almost say they meant non-specialised ships to use the Prototype and Improved Cloaking Devices, but that'd be crazy talk, right?
Arvald Caldari House of Tempers	Posted - 2007.10.25 19:06:00 - [15] Originally by: Verreuckter I've been quiet in most forums, whether they be good or bad ideas, stupid opinions, or great ideas. But recently I've gotten quiet frustrated with a certain game mechanic. This isn't a whine, nor a troll, its just a problem that is borked. Cloaking It seems that every ship in eve (well almost every ship) fits or has had a cloak fitted to it at some point. Why are cloaks allowed to be fit on anything other then ships that are dedicated cloakers? yes fitting a cloak screws with your lock time but thats just not enough. Battleships down to haulers shouldnt have the cpu available to put a cloak on. I've recently encountered isk farmers that ss and cloak as soon as local gets a bump. how do i know their isk farmers? names like kissmm, and kissmmm, and ;alskdjf kinda give it away How are the actual players in eve supposed to help rid the game of these isk farmers when they sit cloaked in a system until they are alone again? its not just the one guy in every 42 systems that has a cloak fitted, its every single ratting raven, or even a typhoon/celestis gang that fits these. My fix/suggestion should fix this problem without a problem. Make the cpu req's for any of the cloaks ******** like 1000 or more. that way the only people able to use the cloaks are the people flying the ships meant to cloak, and have spent the training time to use those ships/cloaks. or just make it so cloaks are role specific, like the dictor bubble launcher, it can only be used on dictors, nothing else, make cloaks only able to be used on actual cloakers. If this isnt possible, how about a probe that gets within 10-20km of the cloaked ship (if its not ment to cloak, like a raven) if it is a ship thats meant to cloak maybe a deviation of 100km? that way it would be very possible to get close enough to uncloak them? please don't reply with stupid comments, constructive criticism only. Changed the topic, you're not allowed to rant on the forums, it's in the rules - Wrangler please stop desicrating the deceased horses body --------------------------- ALL HAIL TO THE TECHNOVIKING Im in your forums derailing your threads
Dred'Pirate Jesus Amarr Ministry of War	Posted - 2007.10.25 19:13:00 - [16] I <3 my 10k m/s cloaking Claw.. Really **es off the campers to no end so leave it alone.. Originally by:** David Hackworth ò If you find yourself in a fair fight, you didn't plan your mission properly.
Krazy Bitsch	Posted - 2007.10.25 19:30:00 - [17] Originally by: Arvald please stop desicrating the deceased horses body ^^what this man said.... As much as we all hate cloaking "isk farmers", for one, just based on their names and corps, can you PROVE they are farming ISK for sale on the interweb? Second of all, is this what your pvp has come down to? Chasing ISK farmers? Is it that bad down in Period Basis that you cant find anyone to fight? I thought it was rife with Opposing alliances....find some REAL PvP, and you wont have this "OMG HES CLOAKED IN MY SYSTEMS STEALING MY DARK BLOODS" problem.
Dahin Maza Nostra oooh Shiny	Posted - 2007.10.25 19:31:00 - [18] Very valid topic, one I wished to adress (altho in a different way) lately. The trend is existent, and it is indeed something relatively new (in such large scale). I'm amazed at the number of people I've seen fit cloaks in the past 5-6 months. Battleships, cruisers, hacs, frigates and even damn destroyers (haulers always utilized them). I believe this new and quite disturbing trend can be attributed to two main reasons: 1) The tech2 market crash and the t1 cloak bpo. Oh so many problems creeped up from this one. Everyone and his mother in these days can afford a t2 ship and ofc a t1/t2 cloak (t1 cloaks were in every sense t2). As such, everyone can afford a cloak even for the silliest of ships. No problem here, if you neeed a cloak, you got it. 2)The new probing system. That is a sad one. People whined and gm's kissed their ass. From a quite challenging yet attainable probing system we moved to a monkey-can-do-it system. Result? everyone is afraid of probes, and as such he deploys the only known anti-probe weapon: the cloak. It's a classic instance when CCP tries to solve an inexistent problem by changing something but the community backlash only makes the situation worse. So, put the new ease of getting a cloak with the new need of having a cloak and you have the end result of everyone dressing his monkey in a cloak.
Darken Two Gallente Cruororis Consors Conlegium Ivy League	Posted - 2007.10.25 19:32:00 - [19] I had a cloak once....it ripped. Originally by: Blind Fear Generally, when trying to be a puppetmaster, it is considered good form not to wrap the strings around your neck and choke yourself.
ghost tr	Posted - 2007.10.25 19:34:00 - [20] Originally by: Tarminic I think that cloaks should be used on ships other than covert ops, but I agree that their usage is a bit much at the moment. Here's what I would suggest: 1. Make regular cloaking devices reduce sig. radius by 75% when active 2. Make cloaked ships scannable (combined with #1, makes them four times as hard to scan) 3. Make covert ops cloaking devices reduce signature radius by 99% when active - this makes scanning down a cloaked covert ops ship practically impossible to scan down Thats what should be done, but I think we will see some sort of anti-cloaking measures with rev 3
Achaiah Black Bag Ops	Posted - 2007.10.25 19:47:00 - [21] It is nice and dandy that we have ISK farmer police out to do good, but please leave nerfing cloaks out of it. If these ISK farmers SS and cloaks whenever anyone enters the system, then you don't have any problems ratting there. If the ISK farmers sell the ISK on ebay, then it is CCPs problems to solve in other ways then to nerf the cloak to let some vigilant players takes matters into their own hands.
Verreuckter Nubs. D-L	Posted - 2007.10.25 19:56:00 - [22] Originally by: Krazy Bitsch Originally by: Arvald please stop desicrating the deceased horses body ^^what this man said.... As much as we all hate cloaking "isk farmers", for one, just based on their names and corps, can you PROVE they are farming ISK for sale on the interweb? Second of all, is this what your pvp has come down to? Chasing ISK farmers? Is it that bad down in Period Basis that you cant find anyone to fight? I thought it was rife with Opposing alliances....find some REAL PvP, and you wont have this "OMG HES CLOAKED IN MY SYSTEMS STEALING MY DARK BLOODS" problem. and as usual people make assumptions, i wasnt hunting isk farmers, i was just roaming around, and actually was in fountain. and every neutral local i ran into warped to a ss and cloaked. pvp is just fine, when u roam u end up places. so stop attacking me and who i hunt, this thread is about cloaks on ships that really shouldnt be cloaking. if they were, they'd have the skill req of cloaking lvl 1
SexxxSlave	Posted - 2007.10.25 19:56:00 - [23] Originally by: Achaiah It is nice and dandy that we have ISK farmer police out to do good, but please leave nerfing cloaks out of it. If these ISK farmers SS and cloaks whenever anyone enters the system, then you don't have any problems ratting there. If the ISK farmers sell the ISK on ebay, then it is CCPs problems to solve in other ways then to nerf the cloak to let some vigilant players takes matters into their own hands. This post is full of win....Verr you're getting smacked around here, perhaps u may want to ask the mods to lock and delete this thread to mitigate any ill effects it may have on your reputation.
Kessiaan	Posted - 2007.10.25 20:01:00 - [24] Originally by: Tarminic I think that cloaks should be used on ships other than covert ops, but I agree that their usage is a bit much at the moment. Here's what I would suggest: 1. Make regular cloaking devices reduce sig. radius by 75% when active 2. Make cloaked ships scannable (combined with #1, makes them four times as hard to scan) 3. Make covert ops cloaking devices reduce signature radius by 99% when active - this makes scanning down a cloaked covert ops ship practically impossible to scan down These are all excellent ideas, though I'd suggest reducing sig radius by 90%, or introducing a passive module that reduces sig radius by 75% but also decreases powergrid by 75% (for a total of 93.75% reduction in sig radius while cloaked). This would let explorers in non-covops ships and people who want to sit in a safespot to still retain a measure of safety. ----- My in Eve Profile
Sheriff Jones Amarr Please Enter Password	Posted - 2007.10.25 20:08:00 - [25] puts on wizard hat and cloak My opinions represent the opinions of my corporation completely. I'm the CEO damnit.
Ridley Tree The Black Rabbits	Posted - 2007.10.25 20:17:00 - [26] Originally by: Verreuckter and as usual people make assumptions, i wasnt hunting isk farmers, i was just roaming around, and actually was in fountain. and every neutral local i ran into warped to a ss and cloaked. pvp is just fine, when u roam u end up places. so stop attacking me and who i hunt, this thread is about cloaks on ships that really shouldnt be cloaking. if they were, they'd have the skill req of cloaking lvl 1 Oh noes, Megathron doesn't require gunnery level 1. It must not be meant to be a blaster boat! A cloak is just another module. Anyone with the skills to use it and the spare CPU on their ship gets to use it. ____ The Video Vault
Tarminic Forsaken Resistance	Posted - 2007.10.25 20:22:00 - [27] Originally by: Verreuckter every neutral local i ran into warped to a ss and cloaked. pvp is just fine, when u roam u end up places. so stop attacking me and who i hunt, this thread is about cloaks on ships that really shouldnt be cloaking. if they were, they'd have the skill req of cloaking lvl 1 By that argument only ships that have Propulsion Jamming as a requirement should be able to use stasis webifiers. ---------------- Tarminic - 29 million SP in Forum Warfare Originally by: CCP Wrangler Booooo!!! Tarminic sux!!!
Haradgrim Caldari The Wild Bunch INTERDICTION	Posted - 2007.10.25 20:28:00 - [28] Edited by: Haradgrim on 25/10/2007 20:30:41 Originally by: Sheriff Jones puts on wizard hat and cloak HAHAHAHAHAHA! Can somebody please link those stories! I had forgotten about that! On topic: Cloaking is a perfectly valid tactic, I would be in support of a reasonable solution that would allow cloaked ships to be scanned down (so ISK farmers etc can become valid targets) but let it keep most of its usefulness as cloaking is one of the few ways a smaller alliance / gang / fleet can effectively fight a larger one. Your signature exceeds the byte me limit allowed on the forums-Darth Patches Oh Noes!
Ridley Tree The Black Rabbits	Posted - 2007.10.25 20:43:00 - [29] Originally by: Haradgrim Edited by: Haradgrim on 25/10/2007 20:30:41 Originally by: Sheriff Jones puts on wizard hat and cloak HAHAHAHAHAHA! Can somebody please link those stories! I had forgotten about that! Google, it is your friend. I open the box and unzip my pants with my other hand. ____ The Video Vault
Tallann	Posted - 2007.10.25 20:46:00 - [30] http://blue-networks.net/text/cybersex.txt Despite the title it is sfw, and even the curses are 'd out. Or google "bloodninja" This makes me **** up whenever i read it, no matter what the occasion, and imo is probably the funniest internet joke/video/etc to come out ever.

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