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Ris Dnalor
Black Rebel Rifter Club
170
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Posted - 2012.01.26 03:37:00 -
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I can only guess that CCP is "simplifying" things in order to attract more folks.
The only problem is they grew every year for 6 years, until they stopped giving us stuff for FIS.
Simplifying stuff makes the game worse, not better.
Just keep doing what you did with the last patch, and you'll see the subscriber base grow.
I can see this going bad places....
life-bars instead of hull/armor/shields... that'd be simpler too....
When you mine asteroids, instead of ore going into your hull, isk drops into your wallet.... that's ****-tons simpler...
Fitting ships is too hard, so get rid of all modules and have each ship hard-coded with turrets/launchers, ecm, and tanking abilities.
If you do that, then you can name ships properly
Caldari Long Range ECM battleship I Minmatar sacrificial tackling frigate II ORE Ice Mining Vessell II - Mackinaw Nomad -- Minmatar Freighter I
so much simpler. So much better. Right?
Just change the names back, kinda like the turret icons. like ya shoulda done with the fonts *grumble*
wrong answer is wrong.
it's not going to bring in paying customers. Unless this is all to prepare for the FREE TO PLAY CROWD, and if that's the case, then bravo, you've done exactly what you need to do. |

Doc Fury
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
310
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Posted - 2012.01.26 03:53:00 -
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Ris Dnalor wrote:I can only guess that CCP is "simplifying" things in order to attract more folks.
That would be affirmative. The WOW-ification of EVE has been underway for a while. You can even buy Mounts, er ..I mean goggles and space pants in the NeX.
The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'no.' |

Grey Stormshadow
draketrain Confederation of xXPIZZAXx
799
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Posted - 2012.01.26 03:54:00 -
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...or then there is some noob renaming stuff who hasn't even played the game and thinks it is "hard".
Get |

Lovejoy II
Lovejoy's Operations
1
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Posted - 2012.01.26 03:58:00 -
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Eve players have the strangest ideas about what complexity is. |

Ris Dnalor
Black Rebel Rifter Club
170
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Posted - 2012.01.26 03:59:00 -
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Lovejoy II wrote:Eve players have the strangest ideas about what complexity is.
pls elaborate.
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Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
2950
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Posted - 2012.01.26 04:00:00 -
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Dumbing down eve requires removing water from the pool.
CCP has done no such thing in this manner.
They only changed the pool filters to get rid of some of the random stuff floating in the pool.
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Ris Dnalor
Black Rebel Rifter Club
171
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Posted - 2012.01.26 04:16:00 -
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Nova Fox wrote:Dumbing down eve requires removing water from the pool.
CCP has done no such thing in this manner.
They only changed the pool filters to get rid of some of the random stuff floating in the pool.
that's just not true.
it's more challenging to swim thru that pool whilst dodging the random stuff, therefore removing some of the random stuff effectively dumbs down the process of swimming thru said pool.
try again. 
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Ioci
Space Mermaids
60
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Posted - 2012.01.26 04:22:00 -
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I would have figured it had something to do with it mucking up the code and the new names allowed them to edit quicker or something simple we knew nothing about...
Call me crazy, living and thinking in the real world  |

DarkAegix
Acetech Systems
847
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Posted - 2012.01.26 04:24:00 -
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OP is an idiot. Also, they should read up on this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_man
I, too, could say that CCP are going to replace all offensive modules with a single 'Shooty Shooty' turret, and then claim that the above will happen because a few modules have been renamed.
However, I won't, because I have a functioning brain, whereas the OP is about as intelligent as a sack of potatoes. |

Ris Dnalor
Black Rebel Rifter Club
171
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Posted - 2012.01.26 04:34:00 -
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DarkAegix wrote:OP is an idiot. Also, they should read up on this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_manI, too, could say that CCP are going to replace all offensive modules with a single 'Shooty Shooty' turret, and then claim that the above will happen because a few modules have been renamed. However, I won't, because I have a functioning brain, whereas the OP is about as intelligent as a sack of potatoes.
it's more than a few modules / ammo. there were more in the patchnotes that didn't get done in time for this release. Now, this may not counter your first argument, as you used the term "few modules" and that isn't very precise.
As far as your second argument, you must certainly be correct in your assumption that my intelligence is on par with a sack of potatoes, because I can't begin to find a valid argument against that. And since it couldn't possibly be due to the fact that you're attacking the person, instead of arguing against the idea, I must concede defeat. You, sir, are possessing of a mighty, mighty mind, against which, I clearly stand no chance. 
http://www.eveonline.com/updates/patchnotes.asp
Quote:Weapons & Ammunition
The falloff and range bonuses of Null ammo has been increased from 1.25 to 1.4. In order to simplify the naming system in EVE, the following changes have been made to Weapons & Ammunition: All EM missiles will now have the name GÇÿMjolnirGÇÖ. All Thermal missiles will now have the name GÇÿInfernoGÇÖ. All Kinetic missiles will now have the name GÇÿTraumaGÇÖ. All Explosive missiles will now have the name GÇÿNovaGÇÖ. All scripts now carry the suffix GÇÿScriptGÇÖ after their name. This affects Focused Warp Disruption, Optimal Range Disruption, Tracking Speed Disruption, Scan Resolution, Targeting Range, Optimal Range and Tracking Speed. Shield hardeners, Shield resistance amplifiers, Armor hardeners, Energized plating and Resistance plating will all have a new prefix based on the damage type. These new prefixes will simply be EM/Thermal/Kinetic/Explosive. Shield hardeners, Shield resistance amplifiers, Armor hardeners, Energized plating and Resistance plating which allow for multiple resist types will now carry the prefix GÇÿAdaptiveGÇÖ. Modules and weapons for Capital, Battleships, Cruisers and Frigates will now show a size of XL, Large, Medium or Small for almost all items. Some exceptions will apply for named modules or X Large shield boosters for battleships. Unfortunately the list of all modules is much too large to fit into patch notes.
Quote:Boosters & Implants
Skill Hardwiring implants have been simplified. Each hardwiring will now show what it effects in the name. For example, Hardwiring - Eifyr and Co. 'Gunslinger' LX-0 will now become Hardwiring - 'Gunslinger' Large Projectile Turret LX-001.
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Ris Dnalor
Black Rebel Rifter Club
171
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Posted - 2012.01.26 04:53:00 -
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Ris Dnalor wrote:DarkAegix wrote:OP is an idiot. Also, they should read up on this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_manI, too, could say that CCP are going to replace all offensive modules with a single 'Shooty Shooty' turret, and then claim that the above will happen because a few modules have been renamed. However, I won't, because I have a functioning brain, whereas the OP is about as intelligent as a sack of potatoes. it's more than a few modules / ammo. there were more in the patchnotes that didn't get done in time for this release. ( why? well, that's simple -- typing is hard! ) Now, this may not counter your first argument, as you used the term "few modules" and that isn't very precise. As far as your second argument, you must certainly be correct in your assumption that my intelligence is on par with a sack of potatoes, (looks like a nice pub, doesn't it?) because I can't begin to find a valid argument against that. And since it couldn't possibly be due to the fact that you're attacking the person, instead of arguing against the idea, I must concede defeat. You, sir, are possessing of a mighty, mighty mind, against which, I clearly stand no chance. http://www.eveonline.com/updates/patchnotes.aspQuote:Weapons & Ammunition
The falloff and range bonuses of Null ammo has been increased from 1.25 to 1.4. In order to simplify the naming system in EVE, the following changes have been made to Weapons & Ammunition: All EM missiles will now have the name GÇÿMjolnirGÇÖ. All Thermal missiles will now have the name GÇÿInfernoGÇÖ. All Kinetic missiles will now have the name GÇÿTraumaGÇÖ. All Explosive missiles will now have the name GÇÿNovaGÇÖ. All scripts now carry the suffix GÇÿScriptGÇÖ after their name. This affects Focused Warp Disruption, Optimal Range Disruption, Tracking Speed Disruption, Scan Resolution, Targeting Range, Optimal Range and Tracking Speed. Shield hardeners, Shield resistance amplifiers, Armor hardeners, Energized plating and Resistance plating will all have a new prefix based on the damage type. These new prefixes will simply be EM/Thermal/Kinetic/Explosive. Shield hardeners, Shield resistance amplifiers, Armor hardeners, Energized plating and Resistance plating which allow for multiple resist types will now carry the prefix GÇÿAdaptiveGÇÖ. Modules and weapons for Capital, Battleships, Cruisers and Frigates will now show a size of XL, Large, Medium or Small for almost all items. Some exceptions will apply for named modules or X Large shield boosters for battleships. Unfortunately the list of all modules is much too large to fit into patch notes. Quote:Boosters & Implants
Skill Hardwiring implants have been simplified. Each hardwiring will now show what it effects in the name. For example, Hardwiring - Eifyr and Co. 'Gunslinger' LX-0 will now become Hardwiring - 'Gunslinger' Large Projectile Turret LX-001.
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Roosterton
Shattered Star Exiles SpaceMonkey's Alliance
271
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Posted - 2012.01.26 04:54:00 -
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How dare they rename things in such a manner that I won't need to click about ten times to figure out the name of a specific module/implant that I'm looking for!
This is clearly terrible for the future of eve and means that the fundamentals of the sandbox will soon be ruined forever!
LET'S MAKE A FORUM THREAD ABOUT THIS! |

Taipion
Operations Control United Pod Service
27
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Posted - 2012.01.26 04:56:00 -
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It does not take much, to make a mistake, but a whole lot to admit it.
I wonder if CCP has what it takes, this time. |

Grey Stormshadow
draketrain Confederation of xXPIZZAXx
801
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Posted - 2012.01.26 04:57:00 -
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No... it just means that CCP is heading back to their normal behaviour again.
Get |

Selinate
603
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Posted - 2012.01.26 05:01:00 -
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People get a self-entitled feeling of a accomplishment when they're able to understand something that is overly-complicated, with parts and mechanisms that serve no purpose other than to confuse, annoy, or slow the user.
Basically you're bitching that they're removing the bits that had no purpose other than to stand in the way of playing the game. I'd say the subscriber base will go up as long as they keep doing this, as one of the main complaints about eve is navigating all the useless crap in the game.
Remember learning skills? Yeah, good riddance. |

Roosterton
Shattered Star Exiles SpaceMonkey's Alliance
273
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Posted - 2012.01.26 05:01:00 -
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Taipion wrote:It does not take much, to make a mistake, but a whole lot to admit it.
I wonder if CCP has what it takes, this time.
ADMIT IT, CCP.
WE'RE COUNTING ON YOU, IF YOU DON'T APOLOGIZE FOR THIS GRAVE INJUSTICE AGAINST OUR GAME I WILL UNSUB FOREVAR.
oh god lol  |

Alara IonStorm
1487
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Posted - 2012.01.26 05:02:00 -
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Roosterton wrote: LET'S MAKE A FORUM THREAD ABOUT THIS!
No the five people who care won't be able to convince CCP like that.
THEY SHOULD MAKE FIFTEEN EACH AND EACH ONE AFTER THE OTHER NEEDS TO BE FARTHER AWAY FROM REALITY THEN THE LAST!
Missiles have been renamed EVE is Dead. |

Tarsus Zateki
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3
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Posted - 2012.01.26 05:03:00 -
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Is there anything people won't ***** about? |

Alaric Faelen
Aquila Venatici Bringers of Death.
49
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Posted - 2012.01.26 05:04:00 -
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I can take or leave the overly complicated names. Pretty much everything in Eve comes with this little blue button or a right click and hit 'Show Info' and viola...no real confusion. Most people only memorize the meta 4 modules they use instead of T2. I don't actually care what the names are- it's just something to remember later, and again, comes with a Show Info option......
That said, having actual names for things is more interesting than the bland designations of RL military equipment. Because I have at my fingertips this god-like ability to open a box who's sole purpose is to explain in great detail everything relevant about any given item/ship/module in the game- I really didn't need the dumbing down of item names either.
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Grey Stormshadow
draketrain Confederation of xXPIZZAXx
801
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Posted - 2012.01.26 05:05:00 -
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Tarsus Zateki wrote:Is there anything people won't ***** about? Good things?
Get |

Morganta
Peripheral Madness The Midget Mafia
901
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Posted - 2012.01.26 05:06:00 -
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perhaps its an attempt to make pvp a little more accessible for those who are overwhelmed by the fantastic array of mods, fits, ships and ammo that pvp has to offer the bored young bear of modern society The American public's reaction to the change was poor and the new cola was a major marketing failure. The subsequent reintroduction of Coke's original formula, re-branded as "Coca-Cola Classic", resulted in a significant gain in sales, leading to speculation that the introduction of the New Coke formula was just a marketing ploy |

Kumq uat
Mercurialis Inc. RAZOR Alliance
91
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Posted - 2012.01.26 05:30:00 -
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If this is all you people have to whine about then Eve is going to be ok.
I am currently whining about AF's getting a MWD bonus instead of AB bonus. I mean seriously, what Einstein came up with that **** can of an idea? |

Samantha Utama
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
41
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Posted - 2012.01.26 05:33:00 -
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Oh no! They've made it easier to quickly buy what you need.
Unsubscribe all my accounts! (except forum account)
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Ris Dnalor
Black Rebel Rifter Club
174
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Posted - 2012.01.26 05:47:00 -
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Selinate wrote:People get a self-entitled feeling of a accomplishment when they're able to understand something that is overly-complicated, with parts and mechanisms that serve no purpose other than to confuse, annoy, or slow the user.
Basically you're bitching that they're removing the bits that had no purpose other than to stand in the way of playing the game. I'd say the subscriber base will go up as long as they keep doing this, as one of the main complaints about eve is navigating all the useless crap in the game.
Remember learning skills? Yeah, good riddance.
You clearly should call the folks that make nail polish for women and explain to them they should simply call red, red, and dump all the other creative names they have for their polishes ;) |

Alara IonStorm
1489
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Posted - 2012.01.26 05:55:00 -
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Ris Dnalor wrote: You clearly should call the folks that make nail polish for women and explain to them they should simply call red, red, and dump all the other creative names they have for their polishes ;)
Why would she do that. Everyone knows those nail polishes are different shades of the same color.
Missiles only come in four shades, EM, Therm, Kin, Ex and luckily they have a Missile name for each.
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Lyrrashae
Crushed Ambitions Reckless Ambition
166
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Posted - 2012.01.26 06:16:00 -
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DarkAegix wrote:OP is an idiot. Also, they should read up on this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_manI, too, could say that CCP are going to replace all offensive modules with a single 'Shooty Shooty' turret, and then claim that the above will happen because a few modules have been renamed. However, I won't, because I have a functioning brain, whereas the OP is about as intelligent as a sack of potatoes.
Nice, subtle ad hominem, bru.
NO to Drake and Tier 2 Battlecruiser nerfs. NO to Alliances in Faction Warfare NO to "wormhole mass-stabilisers." **** NO to the cancers that are sov-nullsec Alliances metastasising throughout EVE! |

DarkAegix
Acetech Systems
850
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Posted - 2012.01.26 07:25:00 -
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Lyrrashae wrote:DarkAegix wrote:OP is an idiot. Also, they should read up on this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_manI, too, could say that CCP are going to replace all offensive modules with a single 'Shooty Shooty' turret, and then claim that the above will happen because a few modules have been renamed. However, I won't, because I have a functioning brain, whereas the OP is about as intelligent as a sack of potatoes. Nice, subtle ad hominem, bru. If you look closely you'll see that most of my argumentative posts attack both the argument AND the poster. Two for the price of one.  |

Alpheias
Euphoria Released 0ccupational Hazzard
426
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Posted - 2012.01.26 07:34:00 -
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I don't mind the name changes per se, as long as CCP keeps to ammo type and hardwiring. But I do think the name for kinetic type missiles is just flat out silly.
Would make more sense to name it Sabot. I'd kill kittens and puppies and bunnies I'd maim toddlers and teens and then more |

Valei Khurelem
227
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Posted - 2012.01.26 07:36:00 -
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Samantha Utama wrote:Oh no! They've made it easier to quickly buy what you need. Unsubscribe all my accounts! (except forum account)
What's the reaction going to be if they let us sell multiple items at once you think? It's going to inflate the currency because people will now feel like selling all the loot they've stashed away for weeks? :D
"don't get us wrong, we don't want to screw new players, on the contrary. The core problem here is that tech 1 frigates and cruisers should be appealing enough to be viable platforms in both PvE and PvP." -á - CCP Ytterbium |

Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
2952
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Posted - 2012.01.26 08:17:00 -
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Sigh this isnt dumbing down,
Dumbing down would be having insurance replace ships entirely. Dumbing down would be having only one kind of ammo. Dumbing down eve would mean one kind of mineable asteriods.
Like i said no water from the pool as been removed. They took random crud out, but forgot to replace with newer awsome kool-aid flavor.
I am all for in favor of better module names but experimental and protoypes dont cut it for me.
However how in the hell does a digital booster rocket have anything to do with cold arc jet gas and yiiterbium -tungsten 8 hydrocarbon?
It would be like cold arc jet gas 1mn, vapor funnel jet 10mn, and plamsa ring jets 100mn
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