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Gort Storm Guard Elite	Posted - 2007.10.26 19:53:00 - [31] A good Bellicose would own you all. I just can't find one.... Gorty -- When in doubt, empty the magazine.
Daelin Blackleaf Aliastra	Posted - 2007.10.26 20:28:00 - [32] Raven No Rly.
Grimpak Gallente Trinity Nova KIA Alliance	Posted - 2007.10.26 21:52:00 - [33] Originally by: Gamesguy Originally by: ManTrader You want to try and one and one a Vengence in a Vaga? Heh, nice joke, mind if I use it later around the alliance? Are you stupid or something? Vaga is the 2nd most damaging hac right after the deimos. no. not the most damaging, but the best at hit-and-run yes, since it is th best skirmish HAC. --- planetary interaction idea!
Danjira Ryuujin Caldari	Posted - 2007.10.26 21:57:00 - [34] Originally by: Gamesguy Widow. Omg someone else noticed! I almost peed myself when I saw its stats. Amarr - Annoying the Eve Community since 2005
Gamesguy Amarr D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.10.26 22:04:00 - [35] Originally by: Grimpak Originally by: Gamesguy Originally by: ManTrader You want to try and one and one a Vengence in a Vaga? Heh, nice joke, mind if I use it later around the alliance? Are you stupid or something? Vaga is the 2nd most damaging hac right after the deimos. no. not the most damaging, but the best at hit-and-run yes, since it is th best skirmish HAC. I was responding to the idiot saying how vaga sucks vs his vengeance because it lacks dps. The vaga IS the 2nd most damaging hac after the deimos if you load close range ammo and run into optimal. 220s will track an abing vengeance easilly and with faction PP melt it in 10 seconds.
Dakess Athan	Posted - 2007.10.26 22:17:00 - [36] Originally by: Gamesguy Originally by: Grimpak Originally by: Gamesguy Originally by: ManTrader You want to try and one and one a Vengence in a Vaga? Heh, nice joke, mind if I use it later around the alliance? Are you stupid or something? Vaga is the 2nd most damaging hac right after the deimos. no. not the most damaging, but the best at hit-and-run yes, since it is th best skirmish HAC. I was responding to the idiot saying how vaga sucks vs his vengeance because it lacks dps. The vaga IS the 2nd most damaging hac after the deimos if you load close range ammo and run into optimal. 220s will track an abing vengeance easilly and with faction PP melt it in 10 seconds.
iiOs	Posted - 2007.10.26 22:21:00 - [37] Originally by: Gamesguy Originally by: Grimpak Originally by: Gamesguy Originally by: ManTrader You want to try and one and one a Vengence in a Vaga? Heh, nice joke, mind if I use it later around the alliance? Are you stupid or something? Vaga is the 2nd most damaging hac right after the deimos. no. not the most damaging, but the best at hit-and-run yes, since it is th best skirmish HAC. I was responding to the idiot saying how vaga sucks vs his vengeance because it lacks dps. The vaga IS the 2nd most damaging hac after the deimos if you load close range ammo and run into optimal. 220s will track an abing vengeance easilly and with faction PP melt it in 10 seconds. ibis can tank vaga like 4ever, and so can velator, but only if you hull tank it
Tyrese Jefferson	Posted - 2007.10.26 22:47:00 - [38] Originally by: ManTrader The Vaga is useless. The only thing it's good at is running away. If you want to gank miners and industials all day, I suppose it's good at that, but fighting difficult targets like.. frigates, it has it's work cut out for it. The reason behind this is Mr Vaga fly's towards you at 4km/s and launchers his drones at your assault frigate. You turn on your AB and nose dive. His guns will missile and you'll be tanking just 1 launcher. The drones will arrive, but light drones get **** by T2 guns oh so easily so you just quickly lock and pop all his drones. If you aren't quick the Drones may start to hurt you but once out of the picture, all that damage will be regenerated. Now Mr Vagabond has no choice but to retreat and run like a little girl because he can't do damage and doesn't want to get killed. If Mr Vaga engages a more.. worthy an opponent, like a crusier, the Vaga lacks the damage to hurt it. If the crusier has even the slightest of tank, with his little HogGob II's out at the you can again tank the pesky Vaga till the cow's come home, however don't even try and engage him, because like a good Vaga he'll run off and warp. The only thing the Vaga is good as is.. well.. slowing you down.. at the cost of 5 T2 light drones on his part. Vaga's are useless. You are quite possibly the stupidest mother** i've ever seen in my life. Vaga's SHRED any frigate sized target, and any tech 1 cruiser with very few problems. With the exception of a vengence, which would take slightly longer to kill, t1 cruiser and below get ****.
Temp Boi Gr0und Zer0	Posted - 2007.10.26 22:52:00 - [39] Originally by: ManTrader Edited by: ManTrader on 26/10/2007 09:43:00 Grins I only fly Amarr being in an Amarr roleplay alliance, as thus all I do all day is fight Vaga's. Vaga's may in theory have one of the highest DPS outputs, but it doesn't work when they are moving at silly speeds and their target is small also moving at AB speeds. Once you strip it of it's drone's you'll find it's DPS disappears when in a frigate as it's guns cant track you and the launcher.. well.. it's just one launcher, with AF resis and a slight tank, you hold fine against it no problem. When you fight basically 2 ship types all day, you learn how to deal with their amusing combat styles. Don't get me wrong, if you want to engage a target and get out alive, take a Vaga, but chances are if the pilot is any good, you wont kill him and you'll be 5 HobGob II's less. The only thing that really works against a Vaga pilot is either a Sac with dual webs, a Vegence with Dual Webs or a Curse with Heavy or Med Neuts and web drones. Sounds like you've been fighting some NUB vagas to be honest. Any Vaga that shoots at you with his MWD on needs to self destruct it now. Against frigates, all that's neccessary to kill it is to keep your range at high falloff, occasionally pulsing the mwd to keep out of web range; it should have very little problem hitting you
MITSUK0	Posted - 2007.10.26 23:28:00 - [40] Vaga's are good, better in small gangs than solo though imho. Dieing to a solo vaga at a gate or station is ******** since it cant web you to stop re-approach. Awesome at open space fighting or killing noobs at gates shrug
Hellown Avis de Captura	Posted - 2007.10.26 23:35:00 - [41] The vaga is such a good solo pvper for more reasons than just its "damage" name another ship you kill what you can kill in a vaga, and STILL manage to disengage when you blobbed. Which will 90% of the time happen :\|
Jovanovi Infinitus Odium The Church.	Posted - 2007.10.26 23:36:00 - [42] Who would seriously fly a close range Vaga nowadays... simply no-one. A webbed Vaga is a dead one. And it'd be fairly easy to get one webbed tbh. A Deimos pilot who knows what he's doing can get a overheated web on it pretty easily. Since Barrage deals Exp/Kin dmg. Let's say pretty much Exp only as the Deimos has natural very high kinetic resistances on armor, while the Vaga's weakest shield point IS kinetic, the primary damage type dealt by blasters.
Jovanovi Infinitus Odium The Church.	Posted - 2007.10.26 23:40:00 - [43] Originally by: Temp Boi Any Vaga that shoots at you with his MWD on needs to self destruct it now. You can still hit fairly often with Dual 180's even MWD'ing, around 3k/s.
Shardrael Caldari AWE Corporation Intrepid Crossing	Posted - 2007.10.26 23:46:00 - [44] Originally by: ManTrader The Vaga is useless. The only thing it's good at is running away. If you want to gank miners and industials all day, I suppose it's good at that, but fighting difficult targets like.. frigates, it has it's work cut out for it. The reason behind this is Mr Vaga fly's towards you at 4km/s and launchers his drones at your assault frigate. You turn on your AB and nose dive. His guns will missile and you'll be tanking just 1 launcher. The drones will arrive, but light drones get ****** by T2 guns oh so easily so you just quickly lock and pop all his drones. If you aren't quick the Drones may start to hurt you but once out of the picture, all that damage will be regenerated. Now Mr Vagabond has no choice but to retreat and run like a little girl because he can't do damage and doesn't want to get killed. If Mr Vaga engages a more.. worthy an opponent, like a crusier, the Vaga lacks the damage to hurt it. If the crusier has even the slightest of tank, with his little HogGob II's out at the you can again tank the pesky Vaga till the cow's come home, however don't even try and engage him, because like a good Vaga he'll run off and warp. The only thing the Vaga is good as is.. well.. slowing you down.. at the cost of 5 T2 light drones on his part. Vaga's are useless. why on earth would you mwd right up next to a small target that has no way of closing the gap on its own. take a vaga and keep yourself 15km out + from an afrig and sick your drones on it, the guns from that range and the missle will chew through an assault frig so fast youll wonder if it was tanked.
Ipos	Posted - 2007.10.27 00:02:00 - [45] Edited by: Ipos on 27/10/2007 00:03:47 As a Caldari pilot solo pwnmobiles are in short supply, just started looking for something to crosstrain and at the same time make of my missile and shield skills. - Both the vaga and the sacri are looking strong with the sleipnir and damnation as their bigger brothers, they both make use of at least one part of my SP (missile/shield) but I honestly can't tell which I find to me the most effective in solo environments. The real new solopwnmobile would be the Widow though imo, either that or the Kronos.
Incantare Caldari Kernel of War Tau Ceti Federation	Posted - 2007.10.27 00:17:00 - [46] I have a lot of trouble seeing the widow as a future solopwnmobile, its a scorp with some more damage and no recalibration delay on cloaking, but it can't warp cloaked nor gank/armor tank while properly setup for ecm. I could see it used with some damps thrown in but those are getting nerfed.
Tiny Carlos Destructive Influence	Posted - 2007.10.27 00:17:00 - [47] I don't realy do solopwn, but I'm waiting to see what Thukker faction ships will be like before I pre-order a load of hyenas. A Thukker BS should be made, alomst entirely, of win. "Those are my principles. If you don't like them I have others." - Groucho Marx
Red Harvest	Posted - 2007.10.27 01:52:00 - [48] Originally by: Lara Roxx kronos... just look at it if anyone can call it balanced ,can i have some of that your smoking? .. and now say hi to the EC-600 drones coming at the Kronos and goodbye to its lock ... Anyone using a decent amount of ECM will just laugth at the Marauders. The Panther looks promissing though.
LUH 3471	Posted - 2007.10.27 01:54:00 - [49] apoc
Atius Tirawa Minmatar Wreckless Abandon Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.10.27 01:56:00 - [50] Originally by: Gamesguy Originally by: ManTrader You want to try and one and one a Vengence in a Vaga? Heh, nice joke, mind if I use it later around the alliance? Are you stupid or something? Vaga is the 2nd most damaging hac right after the deimos. at zero transversal on a webbed target maby. AF vs. Hac is a bit unfair - but I will take my curse, or Absol, or even my zelot against a Vega - I may not kill it (except with the curse - which will kill it) but money says it will have to run. Of course, thats as fair as an AF vs. a Hac. Vega does ok dps, but it sucks dodo against BC or larger targets except as a heavy tackler. I would say the best soloer is still the curse, and after that, a long line of drone ships. Nano/Speed fitted turret ships can stay out of damage, but they do none in turn. The Vega hype will end with a nurf, and maby thats a good thing. . . -----------
Atius Tirawa Minmatar Wreckless Abandon Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.10.27 02:04:00 - [51] Originally by: Ipos Edited by: Ipos on 27/10/2007 00:03:47 As a Caldari pilot solo pwnmobiles are in short supply, just started looking for something to crosstrain and at the same time make of my missile and shield skills. - Both the vaga and the sacri are looking strong with the sleipnir and damnation as their bigger brothers, they both make use of at least one part of my SP (missile/shield) but I honestly can't tell which I find to me the most effective in solo environments. The real new solopwnmobile would be the Widow though imo, either that or the Kronos. Look, Minmatar FOTM is getting old and too many people are Min/Maxing with the thought that Minmatar are somehow 'uber'. I have much more respect for people who fly Caldari and Amarr and make them work in PvP. I for one flew Minmatar when we sucked (yes, there was a day) and in many ways, this Minmatar hype has my panites in a bunch - I hate the jumpers who are always in search of the next 'Solopawnmobile!!11!' - as it happens, pilot skill and friends usually trump any min/maxing. -----------
Gamesguy Amarr D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.10.27 02:15:00 - [52] Originally by: Red Harvest Originally by: Lara Roxx kronos... just look at it if anyone can call it balanced ,can i have some of that your smoking? .. and now say hi to the EC-600 drones coming at the Kronos and goodbye to its lock ... Anyone using a decent amount of ECM will just laugth at the Marauders. The Panther looks promissing though. ECCM, use it. Oh they wont be solopwnmobiles, but the Kronos will still be a pwnmobile.
Ipos	Posted - 2007.10.27 02:40:00 - [53] Originally by: Atius Tirawa Look, Minmatar FOTM is getting old and too many people are Min/Maxing with the thought that Minmatar are somehow 'uber'. I have much more respect for people who fly Caldari and Amarr and make them work in PvP. I for one flew Minmatar when we sucked (yes, there was a day) and in many ways, this Minmatar hype has my panites in a bunch - I hate the jumpers who are always in search of the next 'Solopawnmobile!!11!' - as it happens, pilot skill and friends usually trump any min/maxing. I'd be happy to buy you a Ferox then, no? I'm a Caldari pilot and I would have rerolled if I didn't want to be. I have no beef with Caldari vessels (aside from the PG on the raven) but they ARE fairly one sided and not very flexible. Whilst I intend to stick with Caldari in gang and fleet ops I do feel the need to have a ship which gives me the option wether to fight or flee when flying solo. It's just not entertaining as a low SP pilot to get blown up every time you bump into an older player with a mega or when caught in a camp. In thoose situations 'skills' don't mean jack, instead thoose 'skills' should have been used in order to avoid the situation entirely. - Don't make raw assumptions about people or learn not to quote people out of context. Regards, Ipos
Mr Ignitious Gallente Kingpins	Posted - 2007.10.27 03:12:00 - [54] Edited by: Mr Ignitious on 27/10/2007 03:12:32 as of late i've had a fetish for the lachesis for small gangs. i'm also looking into getting a sin. i'm looking at gallente ships personally just because i havent gotten to cross training yet, but when i'm ready i'm gonna go for minmitar, i like the sound of a sniping muninn and a point blank muninn and a sleipnir. but to stay on topic for solo pvp, effective ships at getting away, ie nanos. the principle would say that the best nano's would be ones that use drones or missiles...being that it will be harder to get into a good drone boat after patch i'd say look for a fast missile boat =). of course i'm getting a gank deimos too and try the whole BANG super dps thing. with ur high gallente skills (i assume this because u ARE in a gallente CS) that you could enjoy the company of an ishtar. if you're going after smaller targets i know some people SWEAR by the taranis, and before this patch comes you can try out the ishkur too. its all relative to your target, but for most versatility my vote is for ishtar. if you change it up a little and say small gang then i think the arazu/lachesis would be an excellent choice as well because you can scout in an arazu and still deal some respectable dps or the lachesis because of its nice ewar. any who, thats my .2 isk hope it helps
tiberiusric	Posted - 2007.10.27 06:30:00 - [55] thanks for replys guys.am looking at the kronos and just laughing
Nick Parker Caldari Elite Storm Enterprises	Posted - 2007.10.27 06:46:00 - [56] The Paladin WILL PWN YOU ALLL!!!! Seriously, It will outmine all the new t2 ships, and be able to haul the most. So if you meet it at the belt, it will gobble up all your veldspar before your hulks can engage.
Atius Tirawa Minmatar Wreckless Abandon Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.10.27 09:20:00 - [57] Originally by: Ipos Originally by: Atius Tirawa Look, Minmatar FOTM is getting old and too many people are Min/Maxing with the thought that Minmatar are somehow 'uber'. I have much more respect for people who fly Caldari and Amarr and make them work in PvP. I for one flew Minmatar when we sucked (yes, there was a day) and in many ways, this Minmatar hype has my panites in a bunch - I hate the jumpers who are always in search of the next 'Solopawnmobile!!11!' - as it happens, pilot skill and friends usually trump any min/maxing. I'd be happy to buy you a Ferox then, no? I'm a Caldari pilot and I would have rerolled if I didn't want to be. I have no beef with Caldari vessels (aside from the PG on the raven) but they ARE fairly one sided and not very flexible. Whilst I intend to stick with Caldari in gang and fleet ops I do feel the need to have a ship which gives me the option wether to fight or flee when flying solo. It's just not entertaining as a low SP pilot to get blown up every time you bump into an older player with a mega or when caught in a camp. In thoose situations 'skills' don't mean jack, instead thoose 'skills' should have been used in order to avoid the situation entirely. - Don't make raw assumptions about people or learn not to quote people out of context. Regards, Ipos Acually, a passive ferox could tank the Vega forever. . .but then again, you did pick the weakest solo pvp platform. All in all, if you are flying in a small gang, the Cerberus is a simply amazing Caldari ship, we have a few dedicated Caldari pilots in TRI and I am sure they could point out to you how Caldari ships can be very strong in a variety of combat situations. Also, Caldari missle boats are one of those ships that can reliably kill a nano fitted ship - percision heavy missles. But you give up tackling. I am not making an assumption about anything, I am simply pointing out that the 'grass is greener on the other side' fence jumping is a sign of a poor player more then anything. There are pilots of the supposedly 'weak' races that own in them, practice, skill and smart play win them kills - not their ships. -----------
Ipos	Posted - 2007.10.27 14:21:00 - [58] Originally by: Atius Tirawa All in all, if you are flying in a small gang, the Cerberus is a simply amazing Caldari ship, we have a few dedicated Caldari pilots in TRI and I am sure they could point out to you how Caldari ships can be very strong in a variety of combat situations. Also, Caldari missle boats are one of those ships that can reliably kill a nano fitted ship - percision heavy missles. But you give up tackling... ...practice, skill and smart play win them kills - not their ships. I'm starting to wonder who you're adressing, who said that Caldari ships are NOT good in gangs? Then again, all races have good cards to play in gang pvp. I'm not sure why I even bothered trying to explain myself to you since you're obviously not getting the message, the flashing knobs or whatever it is. - Oh and precision missiles won't do anything for you if you can't hold your target down, they'll just run away when it gets hot. That is unless they are many enough to break your tank in which case it COULD save you.
r0b0to NYIT Gangstaz	Posted - 2007.10.27 18:09:00 - [59] vexor ----------- D:
Kuzya Morozov Gallente Beets and Gravy Syndicate	Posted - 2007.10.27 18:15:00 - [60] Originally by: Tyrese Jefferson You are quite possibly the stupidest mother**** i've ever seen in my life. Vaga's SHRED any frigate sized target, and any tech 1 cruiser with very few problems. With the exception of a vengence, which would take slightly longer to kill, t1 cruiser and below get **. Yeah dude, because online video games matter. Seriously, calm the ** down, child. -------------------------- "There's always a bigger blob." -Qui-Gon Jinn

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