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tiberiusric
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Posted - 2007.10.26 06:54:00 -
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k,with the patch on its way,with all its changes,what do you guys recon will be the solo pvp ships to fly in the game?
now my eos will be used for something else
cheers
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Ribijk
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Posted - 2007.10.26 06:59:00 -
[2]
Vagabond.
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Devoras2
Amarr
KIA Corp
KIA Alliance
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Posted - 2007.10.26 07:02:00 -
[3]
 Originally by: Ribijk
Vagabond.
ditto.
It's great being Amarr, aint it?
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slothe
Caldari
0utbreak
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Posted - 2007.10.26 07:09:00 -
[4]
astarte?
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ManTrader
Amarr
Imperial Star Guards
Vigilia Valeria
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Posted - 2007.10.26 07:30:00 -
[5]
The Vaga is useless. The only thing it's good at is running away. If you want to gank miners and industials all day, I suppose it's good at that, but fighting difficult targets like.. frigates, it has it's work cut out for it. The reason behind this is Mr Vaga fly's towards you at 4km/s and launchers his drones at your assault frigate. You turn on your AB and nose dive. His guns will missile and you'll be tanking just 1 launcher. The drones will arrive, but light drones get ****** by T2 guns oh so easily so you just quickly lock and pop all his drones. If you aren't quick the Drones may start to hurt you but once out of the picture, all that damage will be regenerated. Now Mr Vagabond has no choice but to retreat and run like a little girl because he can't do damage and doesn't want to get killed.
If Mr Vaga engages a more.. worthy an opponent, like a crusier, the Vaga lacks the damage to hurt it. If the crusier has even the slightest of tank, with his little HogGob II's out at the you can again tank the pesky Vaga till the cow's come home, however don't even try and engage him, because like a good Vaga he'll run off and warp.
The only thing the Vaga is good as is.. well.. slowing you down.. at the cost of 5 T2 light drones on his part.
Vaga's are useless.
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Damned Force
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Posted - 2007.10.26 07:35:00 -
[6]
Sacri, Damnation
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Niffetin
Gallente
CONsordium Infinate
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Posted - 2007.10.26 07:39:00 -
[7]
Edited by: Niffetin on 26/10/2007 07:39:31
Originally by: ManTrader
The Vaga is useless. The only thing it's good at is running away. If you want to gank miners and industials all day, I suppose it's good at that, but fighting difficult targets like.. frigates, it has it's work cut out for it. The reason behind this is Mr Vaga fly's towards you at 4km/s and launchers his drones at your assault frigate. You turn on your AB and nose dive. His guns will missile and you'll be tanking just 1 launcher. The drones will arrive, but light drones get ****** by T2 guns oh so easily so you just quickly lock and pop all his drones. If you aren't quick the Drones may start to hurt you but once out of the picture, all that damage will be regenerated. Now Mr Vagabond has no choice but to retreat and run like a little girl because he can't do damage and doesn't want to get killed.
If Mr Vaga engages a more.. worthy an opponent, like a crusier, the Vaga lacks the damage to hurt it. If the crusier has even the slightest of tank, with his little HogGob II's out at the you can again tank the pesky Vaga till the cow's come home, however don't even try and engage him, because like a good Vaga he'll run off and warp.
The only thing the Vaga is good as is.. well.. slowing you down.. at the cost of 5 T2 light drones on his part.
Vaga's are useless.
1on1 my Vagabond with your Cruiser or Frigate?
You are not gonna kill it. And you are gonna die to it.
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xHalcyonx
Amarr
Wreckless Abandon
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.10.26 07:40:00 -
[8]
Edited by: xHalcyonx on 26/10/2007 07:40:31
Originally by: ManTrader
The Vaga is useless. The only thing it's good at is running away. If you want to gank miners and industials all day, I suppose it's good at that, but fighting difficult targets like.. frigates, it has it's work cut out for it. The reason behind this is Mr Vaga fly's towards you at 4km/s and launchers his drones at your assault frigate. You turn on your AB and nose dive. His guns will missile and you'll be tanking just 1 launcher. The drones will arrive, but light drones get ****** by T2 guns oh so easily so you just quickly lock and pop all his drones. If you aren't quick the Drones may start to hurt you but once out of the picture, all that damage will be regenerated. Now Mr Vagabond has no choice but to retreat and run like a little girl because he can't do damage and doesn't want to get killed.
If Mr Vaga engages a more.. worthy an opponent, like a crusier, the Vaga lacks the damage to hurt it. If the crusier has even the slightest of tank, with his little HogGob II's out at the you can again tank the pesky Vaga till the cow's come home, however don't even try and engage him, because like a good Vaga he'll run off and warp.
The only thing the Vaga is good as is.. well.. slowing you down.. at the cost of 5 T2 light drones on his part.
Vaga's are useless.
My Vaga with no where near max skills puts out 350 dps.
Your AF will be near perma-jammed by my ec-300 drones.
Leave now troll.
Vaga ftw.
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ManTrader
Amarr
Imperial Star Guards
Vigilia Valeria
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Posted - 2007.10.26 07:40:00 -
[9]
You want to try and one and one a Vengence in a Vaga? Heh, nice joke, mind if I use it later around the alliance?
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Karyuudo Tydraad
Caldari
Whiskey Pete's Drycleaning Services
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Posted - 2007.10.26 07:41:00 -
[10]
Originally by: ManTrader
You want to try and one and one a Vengence in a Vaga? Heh, nice joke, mind if I use it later around the alliance?
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Gamesguy
Amarr
D00M.
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.10.26 08:01:00 -
[11]
Originally by: ManTrader
You want to try and one and one a Vengence in a Vaga? Heh, nice joke, mind if I use it later around the alliance?
Are you stupid or something? Vaga is the 2nd most damaging hac right after the deimos.
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Gamesguy
Amarr
D00M.
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.10.26 08:02:00 -
[12]
Originally by: tiberiusric
k,with the patch on its way,with all its changes,what do you guys recon will be the solo pvp ships to fly in the game?
now my eos will be used for something else
cheers
Widow.
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VJ Maverick
Caldari
Maverick Specialized Services
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Posted - 2007.10.26 08:28:00 -
[13]
Originally by: ManTrader
The Vaga is useless. The only thing it's good at is running away. If you want to gank miners and industials all day, I suppose it's good at that, but fighting difficult targets like.. frigates, it has it's work cut out for it. The reason behind this is Mr Vaga fly's towards you at 4km/s and launchers his drones at your assault frigate. You turn on your AB and nose dive. His guns will missile and you'll be tanking just 1 launcher. The drones will arrive, but light drones get ****** by T2 guns oh so easily so you just quickly lock and pop all his drones. If you aren't quick the Drones may start to hurt you but once out of the picture, all that damage will be regenerated. Now Mr Vagabond has no choice but to retreat and run like a little girl because he can't do damage and doesn't want to get killed.
If Mr Vaga engages a more.. worthy an opponent, like a crusier, the Vaga lacks the damage to hurt it. If the crusier has even the slightest of tank, with his little HogGob II's out at the you can again tank the pesky Vaga till the cow's come home, however don't even try and engage him, because like a good Vaga he'll run off and warp.
The only thing the Vaga is good as is.. well.. slowing you down.. at the cost of 5 T2 light drones on his part.
Vaga's are useless.
You must be the only guy in Eve playing with real-time joystick control of your ship.
Originally by: Marquis Dean
As with most threads in Ships & Mods, it ended up with Ryysa yelling at everyone.
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XrayZ
Euphoria Foundation
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Posted - 2007.10.26 08:33:00 -
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 phoon will be the new I-w1n ship.
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Lara Roxx
Gallente
Valkyries of Valhalla
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Posted - 2007.10.26 08:45:00 -
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kronos... just look at it if anyone can call it balanced ,can i have some of that your smoking?
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Drek Grapper
Minmatar
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Posted - 2007.10.26 08:46:00 -
[16]
Originally by: ManTrader
The Vaga is useless. The only thing it's good at is running away. If you want to gank miners and industials all day, I suppose it's good at that, but fighting difficult targets like.. frigates, it has it's work cut out for it. The reason behind this is Mr Vaga fly's towards you at 4km/s and launchers his drones at your assault frigate. You turn on your AB and nose dive. His guns will missile and you'll be tanking just 1 launcher. The drones will arrive, but light drones get ****** by T2 guns oh so easily so you just quickly lock and pop all his drones. If you aren't quick the Drones may start to hurt you but once out of the picture, all that damage will be regenerated. Now Mr Vagabond has no choice but to retreat and run like a little girl because he can't do damage and doesn't want to get killed.
If Mr Vaga engages a more.. worthy an opponent, like a crusier, the Vaga lacks the damage to hurt it. If the crusier has even the slightest of tank, with his little HogGob II's out at the you can again tank the pesky Vaga till the cow's come home, however don't even try and engage him, because like a good Vaga he'll run off and warp.
The only thing the Vaga is good as is.. well.. slowing you down.. at the cost of 5 T2 light drones on his part.
Vaga's are useless.
Bitter much?
Having a little issue with flying your shiney new Vaga?? 
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Kurt Phoenix
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Posted - 2007.10.26 09:37:00 -
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The Eos was a great ship, able to hold its own solo, but it was never the best solo ship, unless you fly around with a scout alt all the time then you still die to the first small gang you come across, a vaga/huginn/nano-ishtar are all far better solo ships because they have the speed to avoid dying at the first gatecamp you meet.
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ManTrader
Amarr
Imperial Star Guards
Vigilia Valeria
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Posted - 2007.10.26 09:40:00 -
[18]
Edited by: ManTrader on 26/10/2007 09:43:00
*Grins* I only fly Amarr being in an Amarr roleplay alliance, as thus all I do all day is fight Vaga's. Vaga's may in theory have one of the highest DPS outputs, but it doesn't work when they are moving at silly speeds and their target is small also moving at AB speeds. Once you strip it of it's drone's you'll find it's DPS disappears when in a frigate as it's guns cant track you and the launcher.. well.. it's just one launcher, with AF resis and a slight tank, you hold fine against it no problem. When you fight basically 2 ship types all day, you learn how to deal with their amusing combat styles. Don't get me wrong, if you want to engage a target and get out alive, take a Vaga, but chances are if the pilot is any good, you wont kill him and you'll be 5 HobGob II's less. The only thing that really works against a Vaga pilot is either a Sac with dual webs, a Vegence with Dual Webs or a Curse with Heavy or Med Neuts and web drones.
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Kayna Eelai
Gallente
GNATHIC
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Posted - 2007.10.26 09:53:00 -
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vaga is a good ship. maybe yes: the best. but it's useless with the proper skills, and i am not taking about skills you learn ingame from skillbooks. i mean REAL skills.
the first time i engaged a vagabond, i was maybe 2 month old, so where the other 2 guys from my corp that warped to me when i called for help.
all of us sitting in battlecruisers, low to no skills and little experience in pvp... the vaga pilot was 1 1/2 year old.
we did not manage to web him, he went out of scramble range whenever we wanted, our cannon where missing and he outran all our drones (when that happens, they go IDLE and you have to tell em to attack again)
we didn't have any ewar, but meh~
in the end we 3 had to warp out with the tail under our legs (and we were lucky that all 3 of us made it out of there)
so, i guess with proper skills and experience, the vaga is probably one of the best, if not the best, pvp ship. able to speed tank, able to unload nice damage and able to get away whenever he wants.
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Tar Kara
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.10.26 09:54:00 -
[20]
Go Minmatar or Gallente
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ManTrader
Amarr
Imperial Star Guards
Vigilia Valeria
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Posted - 2007.10.26 09:56:00 -
[21]
Edited by: ManTrader on 26/10/2007 09:56:29
I guess I just prefer the Amarrian philosophy of.. well standing and fighting untill my structure colapses and the warp drive starts to explode, instead of running as soon as I go below 80% shield. *Shrugs*
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Reto
The Last Resort
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Posted - 2007.10.26 10:03:00 -
[22]
Originally by: ManTrader
The Vaga is useless. The only thing it's good at is running away. If you want to gank miners and industials all day, I suppose it's good at that, but fighting difficult targets like.. frigates, it has it's work cut out for it. The reason behind this is Mr Vaga fly's towards you at 4km/s and launchers his drones at your assault frigate. You turn on your AB and nose dive. His guns will missile and you'll be tanking just 1 launcher. The drones will arrive, but light drones get ****** by T2 guns oh so easily so you just quickly lock and pop all his drones. If you aren't quick the Drones may start to hurt you but once out of the picture, all that damage will be regenerated. Now Mr Vagabond has no choice but to retreat and run like a little girl because he can't do damage and doesn't want to get killed.
If Mr Vaga engages a more.. worthy an opponent, like a crusier, the Vaga lacks the damage to hurt it. If the crusier has even the slightest of tank, with his little HogGob II's out at the you can again tank the pesky Vaga till the cow's come home, however don't even try and engage him, because like a good Vaga he'll run off and warp.
The only thing the Vaga is good as is.. well.. slowing you down.. at the cost of 5 T2 light drones on his part.
Vaga's are useless.
son u need to earn some wisdom.
Originally by: s4mp3r0r
"Hey man, you're mom has a cruise missile".
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Aramendel
Amarr
North Face Force
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Posted - 2007.10.26 10:03:00 -
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Nanoishtar will be still rather nice. Also now slightly vulnerable to the minnie EW frig.
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Reto
The Last Resort
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Posted - 2007.10.26 10:04:00 -
[24]
Originally by: ManTrader
Edited by: ManTrader on 26/10/2007 09:56:29
I guess I just prefer the Amarrian philosophy of.. well standing and fighting untill my structure colapses and the warp drive starts to explode, instead of running as soon as I go below 80% shield. *Shrugs*
i guess u need to earn even more wisdom.
Originally by: s4mp3r0r
"Hey man, you're mom has a cruise missile".
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Corphus
The NewOrder
BORG Alliance
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Posted - 2007.10.26 10:08:00 -
[25]
Originally by: Aramendel
Nanoishtar will be still rather nice. Also now slightly vulnerable to the minnie EW frig.
well the ishtar is a perfect counter to the ew frigs anyway. it can hurl drones at them like no other. ew frigs will live a dangerous life imo.
however i hope they wont cost to much since i would rather use a TI version than the TII version if the price of them will skyrocket. the web range thing on the hyena is ofc a huge advantage vs nanoed ships but the fact that ew frigs will be made of paper (or ducttape in the minmatar case) will make it difficult to stay alive once the enemy decides that killing the webber is a good option.
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ManTrader
Amarr
Imperial Star Guards
Vigilia Valeria
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Posted - 2007.10.26 10:19:00 -
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Since my time fighting the Matari I've been engaged by about 20 Vagabonds and been killed by.. 0 Vagabonds, in ships ranging from Punishers to Geddons, the Vaga was unable to do anything. *Shrugs* Maybe I'm just lucky.
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Reto
The Last Resort
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Posted - 2007.10.26 11:35:00 -
[27]
Originally by: ManTrader
Since my time fighting the Matari I've been engaged by about 20 Vagabonds and been killed by.. 0 Vagabonds, in ships ranging from Punishers to Geddons, the Vaga was unable to do anything. *Shrugs* Maybe I'm just lucky.
dude cut this nonsense u simply dont have a clue.
Originally by: s4mp3r0r
"Hey man, you're mom has a cruise missile".
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Hardtail
Red Dawn Empire
Knights Of the Southerncross
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Posted - 2007.10.26 11:48:00 -
[28]
stop feeding the troll?
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Andreya
Murder-Death-Kill
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Posted - 2007.10.26 19:32:00 -
[29]
Originally by: Gamesguy
Originally by: ManTrader
You want to try and one and one a Vengence in a Vaga? Heh, nice joke, mind if I use it later around the alliance?
Are you stupid or something? Vaga is the 2nd most damaging hac right after the deimos.
not true. at all...
ishtar, muninn, deimos, zealot?
and at 17km, a vagas prime range, the sacriledge and cerb outdamage it by far
i have 2 vagas, both very expensive,,, adn both gather dust in my hangars... it is a good ship, but nowhere near overpowered... there are many other ships i fly instead of the vaga, dictors/hacs/recons/intys being my ships of choice, i would only grab a vaga if we lacked DPS in my gang
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Andreya
Murder-Death-Kill
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Posted - 2007.10.26 19:32:00 -
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and on that note... if a vaga had no web, and got webbed by a vengeance... i would actually be kinda worried.. a vengenace is a mean little ship :P
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Gort
Storm Guard Elite
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Posted - 2007.10.26 19:53:00 -
[31]
A good Bellicose would own you all.
I just can't find one.... 
Gorty
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Daelin Blackleaf
Aliastra
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Posted - 2007.10.26 20:28:00 -
[32]
Raven
No Rly.
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Grimpak
Gallente
Trinity Nova
KIA Alliance
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Posted - 2007.10.26 21:52:00 -
[33]
Originally by: Gamesguy
Originally by: ManTrader
You want to try and one and one a Vengence in a Vaga? Heh, nice joke, mind if I use it later around the alliance?
Are you stupid or something? Vaga is the 2nd most damaging hac right after the deimos.
no.
not the most damaging, but the best at hit-and-run yes, since it is th best skirmish HAC.
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Danjira Ryuujin
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.10.26 21:57:00 -
[34]
Originally by: Gamesguy
Widow.
Omg someone else noticed! I almost peed myself when I saw its stats.
Amarr - Annoying the Eve Community since 2005 |
Gamesguy
Amarr
D00M.
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.10.26 22:04:00 -
[35]
Originally by: Grimpak
Originally by: Gamesguy
Originally by: ManTrader
You want to try and one and one a Vengence in a Vaga? Heh, nice joke, mind if I use it later around the alliance?
Are you stupid or something? Vaga is the 2nd most damaging hac right after the deimos.
no.
not the most damaging, but the best at hit-and-run yes, since it is th best skirmish HAC.
I was responding to the idiot saying how vaga sucks vs his vengeance because it lacks dps. The vaga IS the 2nd most damaging hac after the deimos if you load close range ammo and run into optimal.
220s will track an abing vengeance easilly and with faction PP melt it in 10 seconds.
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Dakess Athan
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Posted - 2007.10.26 22:17:00 -
[36]
Originally by: Gamesguy
Originally by: Grimpak
Originally by: Gamesguy
Originally by: ManTrader
You want to try and one and one a Vengence in a Vaga? Heh, nice joke, mind if I use it later around the alliance?
Are you stupid or something? Vaga is the 2nd most damaging hac right after the deimos.
no.
not the most damaging, but the best at hit-and-run yes, since it is th best skirmish HAC.
I was responding to the idiot saying how vaga sucks vs his vengeance because it lacks dps. The vaga IS the 2nd most damaging hac after the deimos if you load close range ammo and run into optimal.
220s will track an abing vengeance easilly and with faction PP melt it in 10 seconds.
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iiOs
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Posted - 2007.10.26 22:21:00 -
[37]
Originally by: Gamesguy
Originally by: Grimpak
Originally by: Gamesguy
Originally by: ManTrader
You want to try and one and one a Vengence in a Vaga? Heh, nice joke, mind if I use it later around the alliance?
Are you stupid or something? Vaga is the 2nd most damaging hac right after the deimos.
no.
not the most damaging, but the best at hit-and-run yes, since it is th best skirmish HAC.
I was responding to the idiot saying how vaga sucks vs his vengeance because it lacks dps. The vaga IS the 2nd most damaging hac after the deimos if you load close range ammo and run into optimal.
220s will track an abing vengeance easilly and with faction PP melt it in 10 seconds.
ibis can tank vaga like 4ever, and so can velator, but only if you hull tank it
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Tyrese Jefferson
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Posted - 2007.10.26 22:47:00 -
[38]
Originally by: ManTrader
The Vaga is useless. The only thing it's good at is running away. If you want to gank miners and industials all day, I suppose it's good at that, but fighting difficult targets like.. frigates, it has it's work cut out for it. The reason behind this is Mr Vaga fly's towards you at 4km/s and launchers his drones at your assault frigate. You turn on your AB and nose dive. His guns will missile and you'll be tanking just 1 launcher. The drones will arrive, but light drones get ****** by T2 guns oh so easily so you just quickly lock and pop all his drones. If you aren't quick the Drones may start to hurt you but once out of the picture, all that damage will be regenerated. Now Mr Vagabond has no choice but to retreat and run like a little girl because he can't do damage and doesn't want to get killed.
If Mr Vaga engages a more.. worthy an opponent, like a crusier, the Vaga lacks the damage to hurt it. If the crusier has even the slightest of tank, with his little HogGob II's out at the you can again tank the pesky Vaga till the cow's come home, however don't even try and engage him, because like a good Vaga he'll run off and warp.
The only thing the Vaga is good as is.. well.. slowing you down.. at the cost of 5 T2 light drones on his part.
Vaga's are useless.
You are quite possibly the stupidest mother****** i've ever seen in my life. Vaga's SHRED any frigate sized target, and any tech 1 cruiser with very few problems. With the exception of a vengence, which would take slightly longer to kill, t1 cruiser and below get ******.
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Temp Boi
Gr0und Zer0
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Posted - 2007.10.26 22:52:00 -
[39]
Originally by: ManTrader
Edited by: ManTrader on 26/10/2007 09:43:00
*Grins* I only fly Amarr being in an Amarr roleplay alliance, as thus all I do all day is fight Vaga's. Vaga's may in theory have one of the highest DPS outputs, but it doesn't work when they are moving at silly speeds and their target is small also moving at AB speeds. Once you strip it of it's drone's you'll find it's DPS disappears when in a frigate as it's guns cant track you and the launcher.. well.. it's just one launcher, with AF resis and a slight tank, you hold fine against it no problem. When you fight basically 2 ship types all day, you learn how to deal with their amusing combat styles. Don't get me wrong, if you want to engage a target and get out alive, take a Vaga, but chances are if the pilot is any good, you wont kill him and you'll be 5 HobGob II's less. The only thing that really works against a Vaga pilot is either a Sac with dual webs, a Vegence with Dual Webs or a Curse with Heavy or Med Neuts and web drones.
Sounds like you've been fighting some NUB vagas to be honest. Any Vaga that shoots at you with his MWD on needs to self destruct it now. Against frigates, all that's neccessary to kill it is to keep your range at high falloff, occasionally pulsing the mwd to keep out of web range; it should have very little problem hitting you
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MITSUK0
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Posted - 2007.10.26 23:28:00 -
[40]
Vaga's are good, better in small gangs than solo though imho.
Dieing to a solo vaga at a gate or station is ******** since it cant web you to stop re-approach. Awesome at open space fighting or killing noobs at gates *shrug*
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Hellown
Avis de Captura
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Posted - 2007.10.26 23:35:00 -
[41]
The vaga is such a good solo pvper for more reasons than just its "damage" name another ship you kill what you can kill in a vaga, and STILL manage to disengage when you blobbed. Which will 90% of the time happen :|
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Jovanovi
Infinitus Odium
The Church.
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Posted - 2007.10.26 23:36:00 -
[42]
Who would seriously fly a close range Vaga nowadays... simply no-one. A webbed Vaga is a dead one. And it'd be fairly easy to get one webbed tbh. A Deimos pilot who knows what he's doing can get a overheated web on it pretty easily.
Since Barrage deals Exp/Kin dmg. Let's say pretty much Exp only as the Deimos has natural very high kinetic resistances on armor, while the Vaga's weakest shield point IS kinetic, the primary damage type dealt by blasters.
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Jovanovi
Infinitus Odium
The Church.
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Posted - 2007.10.26 23:40:00 -
[43]
Originally by: Temp Boi
Any Vaga that shoots at you with his MWD on needs to self destruct it now.
You can still hit fairly often with Dual 180's even MWD'ing, around 3k/s.
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Shardrael
Caldari
AWE Corporation
Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2007.10.26 23:46:00 -
[44]
Originally by: ManTrader
The Vaga is useless. The only thing it's good at is running away. If you want to gank miners and industials all day, I suppose it's good at that, but fighting difficult targets like.. frigates, it has it's work cut out for it. The reason behind this is Mr Vaga fly's towards you at 4km/s and launchers his drones at your assault frigate. You turn on your AB and nose dive. His guns will missile and you'll be tanking just 1 launcher. The drones will arrive, but light drones get ****** by T2 guns oh so easily so you just quickly lock and pop all his drones. If you aren't quick the Drones may start to hurt you but once out of the picture, all that damage will be regenerated. Now Mr Vagabond has no choice but to retreat and run like a little girl because he can't do damage and doesn't want to get killed.
If Mr Vaga engages a more.. worthy an opponent, like a crusier, the Vaga lacks the damage to hurt it. If the crusier has even the slightest of tank, with his little HogGob II's out at the you can again tank the pesky Vaga till the cow's come home, however don't even try and engage him, because like a good Vaga he'll run off and warp.
The only thing the Vaga is good as is.. well.. slowing you down.. at the cost of 5 T2 light drones on his part.
Vaga's are useless.
why on earth would you mwd right up next to a small target that has no way of closing the gap on its own.
take a vaga and keep yourself 15km out + from an afrig and sick your drones on it, the guns from that range and the missle will chew through an assault frig so fast youll wonder if it was tanked.
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Ipos
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Posted - 2007.10.27 00:02:00 -
[45]
Edited by: Ipos on 27/10/2007 00:03:47
As a Caldari pilot solo pwnmobiles are in short supply, just started looking for something to crosstrain and at the same time make of my missile and shield skills.
- Both the vaga and the sacri are looking strong with the sleipnir and damnation as their bigger brothers, they both make use of at least one part of my SP (missile/shield) but I honestly can't tell which I find to me the most effective in solo environments.
The real new solopwnmobile would be the Widow though imo, either that or the Kronos.
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Incantare
Caldari
Kernel of War
Tau Ceti Federation
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Posted - 2007.10.27 00:17:00 -
[46]
I have a lot of trouble seeing the widow as a future solopwnmobile, its a scorp with some more damage and no recalibration delay on cloaking, but it can't warp cloaked nor gank/armor tank while properly setup for ecm. I could see it used with some damps thrown in but those are getting nerfed.
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Tiny Carlos
Destructive Influence
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Posted - 2007.10.27 00:17:00 -
[47]
I don't realy do solopwn, but I'm waiting to see what Thukker faction ships will be like before I pre-order a load of hyenas.
A Thukker BS should be made, alomst entirely, of win.
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Red Harvest
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Posted - 2007.10.27 01:52:00 -
[48]
Originally by: Lara Roxx
kronos... just look at it if anyone can call it balanced ,can i have some of that your smoking?
.. and now say hi to the EC-600 drones coming at the Kronos and goodbye to its lock ...
Anyone using a decent amount of ECM will just laugth at the Marauders. 
The Panther looks promissing though.
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LUH 3471
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Posted - 2007.10.27 01:54:00 -
[49]
apoc
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Atius Tirawa
Minmatar
Wreckless Abandon
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.10.27 01:56:00 -
[50]
Originally by: Gamesguy
Originally by: ManTrader
You want to try and one and one a Vengence in a Vaga? Heh, nice joke, mind if I use it later around the alliance?
Are you stupid or something? Vaga is the 2nd most damaging hac right after the deimos.
at zero transversal on a webbed target maby. AF vs. Hac is a bit unfair - but I will take my curse, or Absol, or even my zelot against a Vega - I may not kill it (except with the curse - which will kill it) but money says it will have to run.
Of course, thats as fair as an AF vs. a Hac.
Vega does ok dps, but it sucks dodo against BC or larger targets except as a heavy tackler. I would say the best soloer is still the curse, and after that, a long line of drone ships. Nano/Speed fitted turret ships can stay out of damage, but they do none in turn.
The Vega hype will end with a nurf, and maby thats a good thing. . .
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Atius Tirawa
Minmatar
Wreckless Abandon
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.10.27 02:04:00 -
[51]
Originally by: Ipos
Edited by: Ipos on 27/10/2007 00:03:47
As a Caldari pilot solo pwnmobiles are in short supply, just started looking for something to crosstrain and at the same time make of my missile and shield skills.
- Both the vaga and the sacri are looking strong with the sleipnir and damnation as their bigger brothers, they both make use of at least one part of my SP (missile/shield) but I honestly can't tell which I find to me the most effective in solo environments.
The real new solopwnmobile would be the Widow though imo, either that or the Kronos.
Look, Minmatar FOTM is getting old and too many people are Min/Maxing with the thought that Minmatar are somehow 'uber'. I have much more respect for people who fly Caldari and Amarr and make them work in PvP. I for one flew Minmatar when we sucked (yes, there was a day) and in many ways, this Minmatar hype has my panites in a bunch - I hate the jumpers who are always in search of the next 'Solopawnmobile!!11!' - as it happens, pilot skill and friends usually trump any min/maxing.
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Gamesguy
Amarr
D00M.
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.10.27 02:15:00 -
[52]
Originally by: Red Harvest
Originally by: Lara Roxx
kronos... just look at it if anyone can call it balanced ,can i have some of that your smoking?
.. and now say hi to the EC-600 drones coming at the Kronos and goodbye to its lock ...
Anyone using a decent amount of ECM will just laugth at the Marauders.
The Panther looks promissing though.
ECCM, use it.
Oh they wont be solopwnmobiles, but the Kronos will still be a pwnmobile.
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Ipos
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Posted - 2007.10.27 02:40:00 -
[53]
Originally by: Atius Tirawa
Look, Minmatar FOTM is getting old and too many people are Min/Maxing with the thought that Minmatar are somehow 'uber'. I have much more respect for people who fly Caldari and Amarr and make them work in PvP. I for one flew Minmatar when we sucked (yes, there was a day) and in many ways, this Minmatar hype has my panites in a bunch - I hate the jumpers who are always in search of the next 'Solopawnmobile!!11!' - as it happens, pilot skill and friends usually trump any min/maxing.
I'd be happy to buy you a Ferox then, no? I'm a Caldari pilot and I would have rerolled if I didn't want to be. I have no beef with Caldari vessels (aside from the PG on the raven) but they ARE fairly one sided and not very flexible. Whilst I intend to stick with Caldari in gang and fleet ops I do feel the need to have a ship which gives me the option wether to fight or flee when flying solo. It's just not entertaining as a low SP pilot to get blown up every time you bump into an older player with a mega or when caught in a camp. In thoose situations 'skills' don't mean jack, instead thoose 'skills' should have been used in order to avoid the situation entirely.
- Don't make raw assumptions about people or learn not to quote people out of context.
Regards, Ipos
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Mr Ignitious
Gallente
Kingpins
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Posted - 2007.10.27 03:12:00 -
[54]
Edited by: Mr Ignitious on 27/10/2007 03:12:32
as of late i've had a fetish for the lachesis for small gangs. i'm also looking into getting a sin. i'm looking at gallente ships personally just because i havent gotten to cross training yet, but when i'm ready i'm gonna go for minmitar, i like the sound of a sniping muninn and a point blank muninn and a sleipnir.
but to stay on topic for solo pvp, effective ships at getting away, ie nanos. the principle would say that the best nano's would be ones that use drones or missiles...being that it will be harder to get into a good drone boat after patch i'd say look for a fast missile boat =). of course i'm getting a gank deimos too and try the whole BANG super dps thing. with ur high gallente skills (i assume this because u ARE in a gallente CS) that you could enjoy the company of an ishtar. if you're going after smaller targets i know some people SWEAR by the taranis, and before this patch comes you can try out the ishkur too. its all relative to your target, but for most versatility my vote is for ishtar. if you change it up a little and say small gang then i think the arazu/lachesis would be an excellent choice as well because you can scout in an arazu and still deal some respectable dps or the lachesis because of its nice ewar.
any who, thats my .2 isk hope it helps
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tiberiusric
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Posted - 2007.10.27 06:30:00 -
[55]
thanks for replys guys.am looking at the kronos and just laughing
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Nick Parker
Caldari
Elite Storm Enterprises
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Posted - 2007.10.27 06:46:00 -
[56]
The Paladin WILL PWN YOU ALLL!!!!
Seriously, It will outmine all the new t2 ships, and be able to haul the most. So if you meet it at the belt, it will gobble up all your veldspar before your hulks can engage.
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Atius Tirawa
Minmatar
Wreckless Abandon
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.10.27 09:20:00 -
[57]
Originally by: Ipos
Originally by: Atius Tirawa
Look, Minmatar FOTM is getting old and too many people are Min/Maxing with the thought that Minmatar are somehow 'uber'. I have much more respect for people who fly Caldari and Amarr and make them work in PvP. I for one flew Minmatar when we sucked (yes, there was a day) and in many ways, this Minmatar hype has my panites in a bunch - I hate the jumpers who are always in search of the next 'Solopawnmobile!!11!' - as it happens, pilot skill and friends usually trump any min/maxing.
I'd be happy to buy you a Ferox then, no? I'm a Caldari pilot and I would have rerolled if I didn't want to be. I have no beef with Caldari vessels (aside from the PG on the raven) but they ARE fairly one sided and not very flexible. Whilst I intend to stick with Caldari in gang and fleet ops I do feel the need to have a ship which gives me the option wether to fight or flee when flying solo. It's just not entertaining as a low SP pilot to get blown up every time you bump into an older player with a mega or when caught in a camp. In thoose situations 'skills' don't mean jack, instead thoose 'skills' should have been used in order to avoid the situation entirely.
- Don't make raw assumptions about people or learn not to quote people out of context.
Regards, Ipos
Acually, a passive ferox could tank the Vega forever. . .but then again, you did pick the weakest solo pvp platform.
All in all, if you are flying in a small gang, the Cerberus is a simply amazing Caldari ship, we have a few dedicated Caldari pilots in TRI and I am sure they could point out to you how Caldari ships can be very strong in a variety of combat situations. Also, Caldari missle boats are one of those ships that can reliably kill a nano fitted ship - percision heavy missles. But you give up tackling.
I am not making an assumption about anything, I am simply pointing out that the 'grass is greener on the other side' fence jumping is a sign of a poor player more then anything. There are pilots of the supposedly 'weak' races that own in them, practice, skill and smart play win them kills - not their ships.
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Posted - 2007.10.27 14:21:00 -
[58]
Originally by: Atius Tirawa
All in all, if you are flying in a small gang, the Cerberus is a simply amazing Caldari ship, we have a few dedicated Caldari pilots in TRI and I am sure they could point out to you how Caldari ships can be very strong in a variety of combat situations. Also, Caldari missle boats are one of those ships that can reliably kill a nano fitted ship - percision heavy missles. But you give up tackling...
...practice, skill and smart play win them kills - not their ships.
I'm starting to wonder who you're adressing, who said that Caldari ships are NOT good in gangs? Then again, all races have good cards to play in gang pvp. I'm not sure why I even bothered trying to explain myself to you since you're obviously not getting the message, the flashing knobs or whatever it is.
- Oh and precision missiles won't do anything for you if you can't hold your target down, they'll just run away when it gets hot. That is unless they are many enough to break your tank in which case it COULD save you.
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r0b0to
NYIT Gangstaz
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Posted - 2007.10.27 18:09:00 -
[59]
vexor
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Kuzya Morozov
Gallente
Beets and Gravy Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.10.27 18:15:00 -
[60]
Originally by: Tyrese Jefferson
You are quite possibly the stupidest mother****** i've ever seen in my life. Vaga's SHRED any frigate sized target, and any tech 1 cruiser with very few problems. With the exception of a vengence, which would take slightly longer to kill, t1 cruiser and below get ******.
Yeah dude, because online video games matter. Seriously, calm the **** down, child.
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Krows
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Posted - 2007.10.27 20:32:00 -
[61]
I'm guessing this thread is mostly spawned because of someone worrying about drone bandwidth. I'll tell you right now the Gallente are nowhere near being toppled as THE solo race, you may have lost the full rack of heavies but you still have a plethora of mid slots on the majority of your ships with ample low slots to boot (except for the Incursus, don't fly that. honestly... it's terrible). For solo operations, I'll still fly Gallente any day. For God's sake, five medium drones still tear a new ******* for anything below a battleship (and still some of those) when you have blasters or rails backing them up.
Oh yeah, I also forgot that the Dominix is perhaps the most well-supplied and cheapest battleship in the game that gives amazing bang for buck.
Who knows, maybe we'll even see people using tracking disruptors now that sensor damps are being nerfed (amazing, you need a EW ship for EW).
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Atius Tirawa
Minmatar
Wreckless Abandon
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.10.27 20:46:00 -
[62]
Originally by: Krows
I'm guessing this thread is mostly spawned because of someone worrying about drone bandwidth. I'll tell you right now the Gallente are nowhere near being toppled as THE solo race, you may have lost the full rack of heavies but you still have a plethora of mid slots on the majority of your ships with ample low slots to boot (except for the Incursus, don't fly that. honestly... it's terrible). For solo operations, I'll still fly Gallente any day. For God's sake, five medium drones still tear a new ******* for anything below a battleship (and still some of those) when you have blasters or rails backing them up.
Oh yeah, I also forgot that the Dominix is perhaps the most well-supplied and cheapest battleship in the game that gives amazing bang for buck.
Who knows, maybe we'll even see people using tracking disruptors now that sensor damps are being nerfed (amazing, you need a EW ship for EW).
Yup, I agree that Gallente are still in tip-top shape, but a lot of people are looking around and wondering if they should 'jump-ship' and I for one try to keep people flying the ships they fly. Lots of Amarr/Caldari have been training Minmatar lately looking for their 'solo I- Win' ships and frankly, they are not being very smart. It seems now that there is a flood of Gallente pilots doing the same.
So, I try to explain to corpless people that the grass is not greener, but they spit in my face. Such is the nature of interweb wisdom.
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Posted - 2007.11.06 04:10:00 -
[63]
Originally by: Kuzya Morozov
Originally by: Tyrese Jefferson
You are quite possibly the stupidest mother****** i've ever seen in my life. Vaga's SHRED any frigate sized target, and any tech 1 cruiser with very few problems. With the exception of a vengence, which would take slightly longer to kill, t1 cruiser and below get ******.
Yeah dude, because online video games matter. Seriously, calm the **** down, child.
Likewise with you dip****, you're the only one who seems even remotely roused by my reply. I love the ****ers that act all nonchalant about everything, but still take the time to voice their meaningless opinion about minor details of a post. You delude yourself in thinking I give a flying **** what you think, "child".
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Ju Ming
Igneus Auctorita
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.11.06 05:34:00 -
[64]
The Khanid ships are pretty leet !
[url=http://www.igneusauctorita.com/killboard/?a=pilot_detail&plt_id=42466][/url] |
William Ortega
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Posted - 2007.11.06 05:35:00 -
[65]
Originally by: Tyrese Jefferson
Originally by: Kuzya Morozov
Originally by: Tyrese Jefferson
You are quite possibly the stupidest mother****** i've ever seen in my life. Vaga's SHRED any frigate sized target, and any tech 1 cruiser with very few problems. With the exception of a vengence, which would take slightly longer to kill, t1 cruiser and below get ******.
Yeah dude, because online video games matter. Seriously, calm the **** down, child.
Likewise with you dip****, you're the only one who seems even remotely roused by my reply. I love the ****ers that act all nonchalant about everything, but still take the time to voice their meaningless opinion about minor details of a post. You delude yourself in thinking I give a flying **** what you think, "child".
Ah teen angst...
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Nian Banks
Minmatar
Berserkers of Aesir
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Posted - 2007.11.06 05:41:00 -
[66]
My personal opinion is that the Bellicose is the new solo pwn mobile. That is to say someone posted a thread that a target painter make his girlfriends ass look fat. And that to me is a OWNING. Means that atleast half the population of the planet can be wtfbbqpwned with a bellicose with TP's fitted. The guys on the otherhand may be affected also as they cry in their beer.
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Cpt Cosmic
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Posted - 2007.11.06 05:52:00 -
[67]
Edited by: Cpt Cosmic on 06/11/2007 05:53:09
lol vaga the DMG DEALOR LOLOLO!!!!!1111
seriously, 1. vaga is fighting in falloff which means many bad hits and misses 2. Sacrilege does more dmg so its not the BEST DMG AFTER THE DEIMOS LOL (assuming both have 1 dmg mod fitted) theoretically vaga can do more dmg but then it has to come close with faction ammo and then it will just die very fast 3. every ship with some kind of tank will wait until his gang arrives and bbq the vaga because these days no one flys alone anymore, 1vs1 pvp is a myth
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Woulvesbaine
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Posted - 2007.11.06 05:53:00 -
[68]
Torp Raven will be good solo. Torp damage up, dampners (good way to deal with a big ship) down.
Oh and to guy who said Vaga sucked . . .true they will not solo large ships so maybe they are not I- Win in solo.
However, they are great in groups and I saw a decently fitted eris just utterly explode in 6 seconds to a vaga that was solo dps'ing it. I think the Eris pilot might think the Vaga sucks as well - but for different reasons.
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Brixer
Dai Dai Hai
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Posted - 2007.11.06 08:11:00 -
[69]
This!
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Yuan Thi
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Posted - 2007.11.06 08:37:00 -
[70]
Originally by: Brixer
This!
too slow to catch anything and will die to the first gatecamp it passes :)
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Ione Hunt
0utbreak
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Posted - 2007.11.06 08:53:00 -
[71]
Originally by: Lara Roxx
kronos... just look at it if anyone can call it balanced ,can i have some of that your smoking?
Yes, I'm also hoping for lots of Kronos solo-pvp'ers flying around me after the patch...so I can jam 'em during the whole fight with light ECM drones
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Exus
PsyCorp
INVICTUS.
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Posted - 2007.11.06 09:31:00 -
[72]
its rather simple... there's no "master of univers" ship (except the domi some times earlier)
if you want to have fun solo and kill some pods shuttles inties and indy, take a dictor...
if you wanna get huge wrecks, take a pest..
òò
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Garia666
Amarr
T.H.U.G L.I.F.E
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Posted - 2007.11.06 09:38:00 -
[73]
i think the new amarr ewar ship will be an awsome solo ship..
->My Vids<- |
Hydrogen
Art of War
Cult of War
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Posted - 2007.11.06 10:21:00 -
[74]
Discophoon still.
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DeadDuck
Amarr
Amarr Border Defense Consortium
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2007.11.06 10:56:00 -
[75]
I regret to say the vagabond or ishtar, not because of the damage or overall characteristics, but because they have the hability to run fast, very fast, specially the vaga. Even if they cant beat a pvp fit to hacs or bigger ships they can always run away allowing them to survive a harder opponent.
Eventually they will find the guy npcing in a belt or in transit, or the hauler travelling and they will kill it, but nothing much more then this.
All the other ships will lack firepower or velocity. specially the command ships in this last characteristic. A solo pvp ship has to be able to run from gate camps and that will eliminate the biggest majority of the candidates.
A solo pvp ships has to :
a) be Fast, the faster the better;
b) Able to tackle (web+scram);
c) kill fast,
d) be able to choose the damage type they will inflict. So a zealot will not be a good idea to solo pvp in sansha/blood raiders regions where all the npc's will be tanking, em and termal 
e) hability to cloack, it suux but is a must .
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Dristra
Amarr
Shadows of the Dead
Aftermath Alliance
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Posted - 2007.11.06 11:22:00 -
[76]
Originally by: Lara Roxx
kronos... just look at it if anyone can call it balanced ,can i have some of that your smoking?
It got nerfed did it not?
It's great being Amarr isn't it.
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Lord Zoran
Caldari
CrAzyF1sTs
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Posted - 2007.11.06 13:59:00 -
[77]
Originally by: XrayZ
phoon will be the new I-w1n ship.
this but shhhhhhhhh
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no sig for you !!! Yarr!?!?!?!?!
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iiOs
Blood Corsair's
Blood Blind
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Posted - 2007.11.06 14:03:00 -
[78]
looking forward to the panther:D
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