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Brodde Dim
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Posted - 2007.10.26 14:06:00 -
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It seems the Eos nerf comes as a suprise to some people. And others are suprised it gets hit 4 times at once by the nerf bat. They should know by now that this is how balancing works in this game. EVE has a long history of ships that have been overpowered, whined about, over nerfed and later only seen collecting dust in hangars.
The Eos is clearly one of those overpowered ships.
Of the 4 nerfs to the Eos, there is only one I think should be reconsidered. And that is the half baked reduction in drone bay bonus.
Before nerf:
50m3 drone bay to start with, and +50m3 per level of command ships.
This makes it really necessary to train the CS skill to atleast 4.
After nerf:
150m3 drone bay to start with, and +15m3 per level.
There is not really any incentive to train the CS skill above 1 anymore. Especially since the ship only can field medium drones, and the gang link bonus is the one least sought for.
Suggested change:
Leave the drone bay at 150m3.
Give the Eos a completely different CS skill bonus.
+10% drone MWD speed per level, or
+5% cap recharge, or
+7.5% tracking like the claymore, or
+10% optimal like the vulture, or
+10% armor HP like the damnation, or
something else.
Really good would be a bonus that let Eos be effective with heavy armor/shield maintenance bots, without letting it use heavy combat drones. It would be usefull in gang, but no solo pwnmobile.
The upcoming changes are hopefully not finalized and I hope the devs will take another look at this issue.
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Aramendel
Amarr
North Face Force
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Posted - 2007.10.26 14:31:00 -
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Edited by: Aramendel on 26/10/2007 14:31:40
 Originally by: Brodde Dim
Really good would be a bonus that let Eos be effective with heavy armor/shield maintenance bots, without letting it use heavy combat drones. It would be usefull in gang, but no solo pwnmobile.
That.
Personally I would give it a big base dronebay (something between 200-375m¦) and give it instead the drone bay bonus a logistic drone bonus similar to the logistic ships. 20% shield & armor transfer amount per command ship lvl for example. This would give medium logistic drones heavy logistic drone performance on it.
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Alex Harumichi
Gallente
Gradient
Electus Matari
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Posted - 2007.10.26 14:34:00 -
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Originally by: Aramendel
Edited by: Aramendel on 26/10/2007 14:31:40
Originally by: Brodde Dim
Really good would be a bonus that let Eos be effective with heavy armor/shield maintenance bots, without letting it use heavy combat drones. It would be usefull in gang, but no solo pwnmobile.
That.
Personally I would give it a big base dronebay (something between 200-375m¦) and give it instead the drone bay bonus a logistic drone bonus similar to the logistic ships. 20% shield & armor transfer amount per command ship lvl for example. This would give medium logistic drones heavy logistic drone performance on it.
Sounds like great ideas to me.
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TimMc
Skiddies of Doom
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Posted - 2007.10.26 14:45:00 -
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I like the idea of 10% bonus to drone MWD speed per level; means you could use mediums to chase interceptors, or could sent repair drone far off quickly to heal mates.
Keep the drone bay at 150m3 if you do this however.
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Lyria Skydancer
Amarr
Uninvited Guests
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Posted - 2007.10.26 15:13:00 -
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Your ship got a useless bonus now? Well its your racial, better get used to it. You could be worse off getting a faked bonus like 5% reduction in cap use to blasters.
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Jessica Molla
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Posted - 2007.10.26 15:48:00 -
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Originally by: Lyria Skydancer
Your ship got a useless bonus now? Well its your racial, better get used to it. You could be worse off getting a faked bonus like 5% reduction in cap use to blasters.
omg one of those guys with this kind of attitude- 'I am bad off i want you to be bad off too...'
come on...
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14882
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Posted - 2007.10.26 16:30:00 -
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I primarily fly gallente and I have to agree that this is a needed nerf...this game will only be balanced when the Eos does equal damage to other FC ships and can tank half as much.
As long as the Eos is being "balanced", how about giving it a 7 high/ 3 mid / 7 low slot layout so that it can tank as much as a vulture or damnation?
*Gets ready to be lynched*
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Grimpak
Gallente
Trinity Nova
KIA Alliance
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Posted - 2007.10.26 16:44:00 -
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Edited by: Grimpak on 26/10/2007 16:44:36
- boost drone bay to 300m3
- decrease logistical drone BW by like 50% (leave size alone tho)
- swap drone bay bonus for rep ammount bonus (also in line with gallente)
- double information warfare links bonuses
- do not remove the 7 turrets.
there, eos, all of the sudden, is a nice fleet command ship to have arround, and it's not that unbalanced.
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Dristra
Amarr
Shadows of the Dead
Aftermath Alliance
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Posted - 2007.10.26 16:46:00 -
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Originally by: Jessica Molla
Originally by: Lyria Skydancer
Your ship got a useless bonus now? Well its your racial, better get used to it. You could be worse off getting a faked bonus like 5% reduction in cap use to blasters.
omg one of those guys with this kind of attitude- 'I am bad off i want you to be bad off too...'
come on...
That is how ccp wants it, they will nerf all other races until amarr stop whining...
next will surly be removing 0,5 damage mod on blasters...
It's great being Amarr isn't it.
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Jarvin Kell
Kingdom of Kador
Dark Matter Coalition
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Posted - 2007.10.26 16:58:00 -
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Originally by: Jessica Molla
Originally by: Lyria Skydancer
Your ship got a useless bonus now? Well its your racial, better get used to it. You could be worse off getting a faked bonus like 5% reduction in cap use to blasters.
omg one of those guys with this kind of attitude- 'I am bad off i want you to be bad off too...'
come on...
I'm pretty sure Lyria spends more time complaining about Gallente superiority than playing. Check any gallente nerf-related thread 
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Haniblecter Teg
F.R.E.E. Explorer
Atrum Tempestas Foedus
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Posted - 2007.10.26 17:15:00 -
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I'd support a bonus to maintenance drones, that 50% bandwidth use sounds pretty keen.
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Marfew Jae
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Posted - 2007.10.26 17:17:00 -
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Originally by: Lyria Skydancer
Your ship got a useless bonus now? Well its your racial, better get used to it. You could be worse off getting a faked bonus like 5% reduction in cap use to blasters.
If you want to keep moaning about how poor your Race is would you mind starting your own thread or doing it somewhere else other than the Gallente nerf threads.
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Tarron Sarek
Gallente
Endica Enterprises
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Posted - 2007.10.26 17:59:00 -
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Edited by: Tarron Sarek on 26/10/2007 18:00:08
Originally by: Grimpak
- boost drone bay to 300m3
- decrease logistical drone BW by like 50% (leave size alone tho)
- swap drone bay bonus for rep ammount bonus (also in line with gallente)
- double information warfare links bonuses
- do not remove the 7 turrets.
I kinda like that one, but would alter it in a certain way:
- 250m¦ drone bay with 65Mbit/s
- swap drone bay bonus for MWD bonus (also in line with gallente) OR 10% bonus to maintenance drones + 5% drone damage/hitpoints
- double information warfare links bonuses
- remove just 1 turret hardpoint, therefore 6 turrets.
It's a compromise.
I'd definitely prefer the MWD bonus. With one turret less and max 1 heavy/4 medium drones without bonuses, it's hardly a solopwnmobile, because it lost a lot of damage. But with the MWD bonus it can either close in to bring the blasters to bear, or stay away.
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Rialtor
Amarr
Yarrrateers
Mass Destruction.
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Posted - 2007.10.26 18:14:00 -
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Originally by: Brodde Dim
It seems the Eos nerf comes as a suprise to some people. And others are suprised it gets hit 4 times at once by the nerf bat. They should know by now that this is how balancing works in this game. EVE has a long history of ships that have been overpowered, whined about, over nerfed and later only seen collecting dust in hangars.
The Eos is clearly one of those overpowered ships.
Of the 4 nerfs to the Eos, there is only one I think should be reconsidered. And that is the half baked reduction in drone bay bonus.
Before nerf:
50m3 drone bay to start with, and +50m3 per level of command ships.
This makes it really necessary to train the CS skill to atleast 4.
After nerf:
150m3 drone bay to start with, and +15m3 per level.
There is not really any incentive to train the CS skill above 1 anymore. Especially since the ship only can field medium drones, and the gang link bonus is the one least sought for.
Suggested change:
Leave the drone bay at 150m3.
Give the Eos a completely different CS skill bonus.
+10% drone MWD speed per level, or
+5% cap recharge, or
+7.5% tracking like the claymore, or
+10% optimal like the vulture, or
+10% armor HP like the damnation, or
something else.
Really good would be a bonus that let Eos be effective with heavy armor/shield maintenance bots, without letting it use heavy combat drones. It would be usefull in gang, but no solo pwnmobile.
The upcoming changes are hopefully not finalized and I hope the devs will take another look at this issue.
What I'm gonna say is out of spite and malice :). If amarr don't get a bonus change neither do you :P.
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Posted - 2007.10.26 18:29:00 -
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Id support any changes that help the EOS fill its ACTUAL role.
It cannot fill its role properly right now, pre-nerf. It certainly wont post-nerf. And while the nerf is needed, as the the role the Eos is filling now is silly for it, it needs to be able to fill the intended original role.
its needs to be a railboat with range bonus and/or logistic drone bonus. it using heavy logistics drones would be quite interesting and unique.
Originally by: Snuggly
It's just so great to have an actual reason to not die, incentive is fantastic!
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Ishina Fel
Caldari
Synergy.
Imperial Republic Of the North
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Posted - 2007.10.26 18:51:00 -
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Originally by: Brodde Dim
Especially since the ship only can field medium drones
You don't really know what you're talking about, do you.
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Haniblecter Teg
F.R.E.E. Explorer
Atrum Tempestas Foedus
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Posted - 2007.10.26 19:50:00 -
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Bump.
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Brodde Dim
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Posted - 2007.10.27 00:41:00 -
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Originally by: Ishina Fel
Originally by: Brodde Dim
Especially since the ship only can field medium drones
You don't really know what you're talking about, do you.
Technically the 75m3 bandwidth will allow it to field either 3 heavies, or 2 heavies, 2 meds and 1 light. Just like the Arbitrator (except without drone bonus).
My point is, it wont be able to field 5 heavy drones anymore.
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Cha Jeng
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Posted - 2007.10.27 01:34:00 -
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Sadly if you want it to tank better, and just want it there for giving out its warfare link bonuses... try a passive shield tank, it can tank like 800+ dps, but it can't do anything else really. I am glad I am gettin an Astarte, because the Eos doesn't seem to be interesting in the least.
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Lyria Skydancer
Amarr
Uninvited Guests
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Posted - 2007.10.27 09:15:00 -
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Originally by: Marfew Jae
Originally by: Lyria Skydancer
Your ship got a useless bonus now? Well its your racial, better get used to it. You could be worse off getting a faked bonus like 5% reduction in cap use to blasters.
If you want to keep moaning about how poor your Race is would you mind starting your own thread or doing it somewhere else other than the Gallente nerf threads.
Why? Im just giving advice our race is getting for the same problems. Great advice isnt it?
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Tao Han
Perkone
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Posted - 2007.10.27 09:28:00 -
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Originally by: Lyria Skydancer
Originally by: Marfew Jae
Originally by: Lyria Skydancer
Your ship got a useless bonus now? Well its your racial, better get used to it. You could be worse off getting a faked bonus like 5% reduction in cap use to blasters.
If you want to keep moaning about how poor your Race is would you mind starting your own thread or doing it somewhere else other than the Gallente nerf threads.
Why? Im just giving advice our race is getting for the same problems. Great advice isnt it?
Amarr whine thread is that way -->
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Lyria Skydancer
Amarr
Uninvited Guests
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Posted - 2007.10.27 09:54:00 -
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Originally by: Jarvin Kell
Originally by: Jessica Molla
Originally by: Lyria Skydancer
Your ship got a useless bonus now? Well its your racial, better get used to it. You could be worse off getting a faked bonus like 5% reduction in cap use to blasters.
omg one of those guys with this kind of attitude- 'I am bad off i want you to be bad off too...'
come on...
I'm pretty sure Lyria spends more time complaining about Gallente superiority than playing. Check any gallente nerf-related thread
If i cant get cookies ill settle with cheese cakes from ccp.
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Acoco Osiris
Gallente
Sublime.
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Posted - 2007.10.27 11:39:00 -
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Indeed, now that the 5 heavy drones have gone, I'd like to see the drone bay bonus replaced with something useful. The logistical bot bonus idea sounds very interesting to me.
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