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Toulak
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Posted - 2004.02.26 15:05:00 -
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Edited by: Toulak on 26/02/2004 15:11:16
Deathstar International has left the PA as of 26/02/04.
We took the decision to leave the PA due to a change in corporation direction, that doesnt tie in with the alliance.
We are now a mercenary corp, and details upon this shall come at a later date, when we are fully functional in this service we aim to provide.
I would also like to take this opportunity to thank the PA for the time we spent in the alliance, and wish all the corps the best of luck in the future.
I'd also like to take this opportunity to announce that we are recruiting experienced combat pilots, we are looking for people with a minimum of 2 million skillpoints, and with previous experience in this area.
Contact myself or Mike Vader if interested, for an interview.
Many thanks.
Toulak
Director of Deathstar.
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DB Preacher
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Posted - 2004.02.26 15:14:00 -
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*cough*
bah, shoulda done it a couple of months ago with us :p
*cough*
Anyway, good luck in the future big boy!
dbp
Current RKK Ranking: (CAL4) Soldier
Drop by and say hi in Reikoku Forums.
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Havocide
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Posted - 2004.02.26 15:14:00 -
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oooeee maybe the PA is dying, lost 2 of their best pvp corps, KIA next to go?
Toulak what is your stance on PA, EVO, and the superpowers?
IE are CA, KOS or neutral 
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Miso
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Posted - 2004.02.26 15:16:00 -
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To quote Mr Freddie Mercury:
"Another one bites the dust...hey hey"
Sincerely, GL Toulak and corp. You guys were always fun in gang chat.
Looking forward to Millennium's post 
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darth solo
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Posted - 2004.02.26 15:19:00 -
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Luck guys from all of CELES.
hope u find the fun that im sure u are looking for.
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Toulak
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Posted - 2004.02.26 15:26:00 -
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Regarding Havocide..
All standings are placed at neutral, due to the proffesion we're going to start. 
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2004.02.26 15:27:00 -
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Congratulations DeathStar International! Its taken you a while, but hey ;) I can appreciate that sometimes you need to see things with your own eyes for a while to make informed decisions.
(And lets face it, having done PR work for VA and Ragnar in my time I'm hardly best placed to chuck eggs at bad corporate associations)
Good luck everyone,
(Drinks are on me in La Maison)
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Cliff Yablonski
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Posted - 2004.02.26 15:28:00 -
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NEXT!
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Jebba IV
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Posted - 2004.02.26 15:29:00 -
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darth solo
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Posted - 2004.02.26 15:33:00 -
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NEXT!
u could be rite my friend.
the tactic of boring the PA corps to death and making their members quit EVE is starting to pay of..
deathstar left for the same reasons as us, to have fun from a computer game..
Oh, and to all u guys who said CELES were getting owned, we lost 1 ship to EVOL and killed 4.. not exactly great amount of kills, but not exactly a slaughter on our side like folks were saying .
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Jim Bond
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Posted - 2004.02.26 15:34:00 -
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Good Luck in the future Deathstar International, unless our paths cross of course
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2004.02.26 15:37:00 -
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Darth, its pretty clear that guarding a load of rocks in the frigid depths of space is not your cup of tea, thats eminently fine! I must admit I noticed a lot of your chaps in empire hunting the rats there recently, and I have to agree with you, that is an awful lot of fun. I certainly enjoyed the couple of near cooperative actions against the Ducks and Pira-C, and it was helluva amusing to find myself hunting the same targets as Cult of Cthulhu a couple of weeks ago (I was so proud) ...
Love and peace
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Jim Raynor
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Posted - 2004.02.26 15:39:00 -
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So when does the fourth incarnation of the venal alliance arise?
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Reverend Necrona
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Posted - 2004.02.26 15:40:00 -
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Sorry, but there is a distinct lack of loyalty in the PA. Two corps leaving, something must be wrong, no one expects you to come on here and spill the inter-alliance politics all over the boards.
Either that or quite frankly your cowards. It's my opinion, don't try come to come out with "we want a new direction in the game".
Well done evolution (need to go wash my mouth out now.)
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Jim Raynor
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Posted - 2004.02.26 15:42:00 -
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Whoa, back it up a second, did Jericho Fraction get allowed back in the Venal Alliance (or whatever you call it now)?
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sutty
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Posted - 2004.02.26 15:42:00 -
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no get it right you didn't on your own kill 4 you took part in the death of 4.
but that doesn't really matter.
Rual Strorge Team Kill Armageddon D4r-h7 Branch INF 26/02/2004 False
Toccz Team Kill Scorpion D4r-h7 Branch BLADE 26/02/2004 False
Ink Rebound Team Kill Megathron D4r-h7 Branch BLADE 26/02/2004 False
Ducken Team Kill Tempest D4r-h7 Branch BLADE 26/02/2004 False
Hasan Team Kill Raven RO90-H Venal INF 26/02/2004 False
Raffer Rush Team Kill Raven BKG-Q2 Branch Fch 26/02/2004 True
not even 6 o clock yet.
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Miso
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Posted - 2004.02.26 15:43:00 -
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You reap what you sow.
PA deserve to be ****ed over. To quote Mr Ronald McDonald, if I may, ahem:
"I'm Lovin' It"
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IIIIIIIII
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Posted - 2004.02.26 15:44:00 -
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the tactic of boring the PA corps to death and making their members quit EVE is starting to pay of..
Yeah well, to quote the standard PA response this week when challenged about their questionable tactics: "in war there are no rules as long as you win" (not that I believe it mind you ;))
Good luck to you on your future endeavours, Deathstar International.
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Miso
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Posted - 2004.02.26 15:44:00 -
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Whoa, back it up a second, did Jericho Fraction get allowed back in the Venal Alliance (or whatever you call it now)?
Err, nope. Alliances are ghey.
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DREAMWORKS
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Posted - 2004.02.26 15:45:00 -
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Sorry, but there is a distinct lack of loyalty in the PA. Two corps leaving, something must be wrong, no one expects you to come on here and spill the inter-alliance politics all over the boards.
Either that or quite frankly your cowards. It's my opinion, don't try come to come out with "we want a new direction in the game".
Well done evolution (need to go wash my mouth out now.)
WHAT ARE YOU DOING?!
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Jim Bond
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Posted - 2004.02.26 15:45:00 -
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Jim slaps Sutty around with a large Trout and then sticks it in his mouth to gag him.
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Jarjar
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Posted - 2004.02.26 15:48:00 -
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Either that or quite frankly your cowards.
PA or the corps leaving PA?
We're both leaving because we don't fit into regional alliances, it seems.
Cowards or not, with 1 lost ship that is clearly not the reason CELES are leaving.
Now, please don't flame this thread (too) to death with PA sucks, everyone is leaving PA they suck etc arguments.
Oh, and good luck to you deathstar!
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Reverend Necrona
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Posted - 2004.02.26 15:50:00 -
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Either that or quite frankly your cowards.
PA or the corps leaving PA?
We're both leaving because we don't fit into regional alliances, it seems.
It took you how many months to work that out?
Your corp keeps talking about how you want to come to curse, well get a move on lads, and do not expect it to be any easier than fighting Evolution.
I do try my best not to troll and i mean nothing personal outside of a game sense but it does seem like your covering up how _scared_ you are of 1 corporation.
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Toulak
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Posted - 2004.02.26 15:50:00 -
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Either that or quite frankly your cowards. It's my opinion, don't try come to come out with "we want a new direction in the game".
lol
Oh look its gonna turn into a stupid flame war now, classic eve.
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Miso
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Posted - 2004.02.26 15:51:00 -
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Oh look its gonna turn into a stupid flame war now, classic eve.
lol, well, look at it this way, its more fun than mining
PS: Sorry for the flames.
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Reverend Necrona
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Posted - 2004.02.26 15:52:00 -
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Either that or quite frankly your cowards. It's my opinion, don't try come to come out with "we want a new direction in the game".
lol
Oh look its gonna turn into a stupid flame war now, classic eve.
No it's not.
Flaming is when kids can't handle disagreeing with one another.
I'm disagreeing here, i don't intend to annoy you with cheap insults, i'm simply pointing out a flaw in your corp(s) actions.
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2004.02.26 15:53:00 -
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Edited by: Jade Constantine on 26/02/2004 16:05:16
Tehel, I have no idea if this is the exact issue, and I wouldn't presume to speak for any of the principle actors in these events, but ...
The critical NVA/FE war issue for the old NVA was the contradiction between between the interests of the PvP/Trading/Empire interested Corps and the deep Venal Industrial/Mining/Megacorps.
The former craved aggressive engagement against natural philosophical enemies and access to Empire via Pureblind.
The latter demanded 24/7 gate camping and territorial control over the core venal afk mining grounds.
If you remember the hoo-harr over the JF ejection from the alliance in the Oberon-led political coup, it was mostly about our reluctance to fight a defensive war for the benefit of the afk-mining megacorps. The old NVA had absolutely no agreed taxation or common defense policy, so to tie up a non-mining corps combat assets with deep venal gate camping was a strictly losing proposition.
Both Deathstar and Celestial Apocalypse were corporations that I actively head-hunted for the NVA as spearhead forces for a counter attack into FE territory. I think they are fighters and agressive raiders not defensive afk-miners.
I have no idea what current PA policy has been of late, but it seems (as an outsider) that they have adopted the old "entrench in core venal with running to empire for agent running" strategy that leaves no room in military focus for an effective counterattack against soft targets or enemy logistics.
I don't think Deathstar and Celestial are cowards in any way shape or form Tehel.
Just like JF were not cowards for refusing to die for Rona/Oberon/CDI afk-mining.
We simply wanted an alliance that had common responsibility and an enlightened military policy. Is it really so hard to understand that core corporate aspiration can differ from greedy alliance objectives of afk mining at the ark feeding trough?
Deathstar and Celestial are hunters. Thats why I once wanted them for the NVA. If the PA doesn't suit that style of play then they have made exactly the right choice to leave.
Love and peace
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j0sephine
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Posted - 2004.02.26 15:56:00 -
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Edited by: j0sephine on 26/02/2004 15:57:50
"It took you how many months to work that out?"
They had plenty of targets to chase around before, it worked for them.
Now they're pretty much limited to fighting Evol and it's supposedly boring, much like former F-E got bored of fighting the former version of PA.
So it doesn't work for them and they'd rather chase around the pirates and whatnot.
Is it really that hard to grasp?
I do try my best not to troll (..)
rotfl.
edit: oh, and DI; gl and hf. ^^
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Toulak
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Posted - 2004.02.26 15:56:00 -
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I'm disagreeing here, i don't intend to annoy you with cheap insults, i'm simply pointing out a flaw in your corp(s) actions.
A flaw? That we want to have fun playin a game, and that we're not while in the PA is a flaw?
I do appolagise for that.
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2004.02.26 16:02:00 -
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Thanks Jo, that was pretty much what i was saying ;)
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j0sephine
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Posted - 2004.02.26 16:04:00 -
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"Thanks Jo, that was pretty much what i was saying ;)"
Aye, sorry; i hit reply when there wasn nothing there but Tehel's post... need to train my Fast Typing skill ;.;
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2004.02.26 16:05:00 -
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you said it so much more funkily than I did though!
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Reverend Necrona
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Posted - 2004.02.26 16:06:00 -
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You have more of an insight than i do jade, thanks for that explination, but as i stated it was simply my opinion which is built up around these forums when it comes to the PA.
Toulak when you put it like that of course it looks ridiculous. But you have to remember the PA (which you were apart of) said they'd defend Venal from Evolution and you must see the irony and corrloation in TWO of your FIGHTING corporations leaving.
Evolution not fighting you? Stop playing blob wars. Send in equal numbers, USE TACTICS.
Only use your PvP corps to combat them, keep the miners with gunnery level 5 and some tachyons at home, you'll only drive them off. I hope this paragraph is irrelevant, and that you have thought of and tried these tactics already, other wise it leaves questions over the capability of PA Military command.
Anyways. I do apologise once again if i came across as a troll, not my intention, i will not apologise for being critcal however.
GL in your endevours.
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Jet Jagowrath
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Posted - 2004.02.26 16:10:00 -
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Best of luck to DI,
JJx
King Jadrut of The Alliance That Kicks Your Arse Very Badly And Whoops You Like You've Never Seen Before, TATKYAVBAWYLYNSB for short, owns all Jove space, stay away or bad things will happen to you and your hamsters and/or gerbils mmmk
La Maison de tous les plaisirs - Where politics and pleasure meet...
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Havocide
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Posted - 2004.02.26 16:13:00 -
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Edited by: Havocide on 26/02/2004 16:14:54
EVO kill the first "VA"
FE kill the second "NVA"
EVO kill the third "PA"
Guess its our turn again to kill the next venal alliance 
EDIT: forgot to say GL to DSIN in whatever u do, unless its against us, in that case... die
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darth solo
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Posted - 2004.02.26 16:20:00 -
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Edited by: Jade Constantine on 26/02/2004 16:05:16
Both Deathstar and Celestial Apocalypse were corporations that I actively head-hunted for the NVA as spearhead forces for a counter attack into FE territory. I think they are fighters and agressive raiders not defensive afk-miners.
thank u jade, i really do think u have hit the nail on the head, both our corps were always going to attack the enemy, defending is not what CELES were good at.
During the EVOL war, folks have called us cowards because we didnt defend Venal 24/7, that was never our role in the PA, as we discussed when we joined.
the guys got bored, is that so hard for u all to understand?, as my friend Toulak said, its a game, having fun is our priority..
we lost 3 experienced pvpers from CELES during this EVOL war due to boredom, we left to save the corp.
to the CA guy, we attack whoever we see are pirates, we have a nice video of our engagements last nite... i think u know how that ended:). but a flamefest is something that doesnt belong on this post.
keep it clean, and wish your fellow EVE players luck in the future.
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Sun Ra
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Posted - 2004.02.26 16:23:00 -
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better late then never GL guys!
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drunkenmaster
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Posted - 2004.02.26 16:25:00 -
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so, are deathstar international going to live up to their (evil-sounding) name?
Or are you going to continue as before, but without the alliance baggage?
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ProphetGuru
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Posted - 2004.02.26 16:43:00 -
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Deathstar.. GL in whatever u do.
Darth, come on, you make it sound like you sat up there for months. You guys were ever only in the fight for maybe 5 days or so b4 you left. Now, I have some respect for you guys, but, when you guys made yourselves part of the situation, a ton of the pa guys that were content to run and hide from us the majority of the time, came out from under their shells. Now, that is certainly a sign of respect from your alliance mates no doubt, however it created those huge 50 ship blobs... and, 50 v 10 blob battles are not our thing. As you should well know.
Evolution..... Just when you thought you were winning.
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Halseth Durn
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Posted - 2004.02.26 16:48:00 -
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Edited by: Halseth Durn on 26/02/2004 17:05:41
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Edited by: Jade Constantine on 26/02/2004 16:05:16
Tehel, I have no idea if this is the exact issue, and I wouldn't presume to speak for any of the principle actors in these events, but ...
The critical NVA/FE war issue for the old NVA was the contradiction between between the interests of the PvP/Trading/Empire interested Corps and the deep Venal Industrial/Mining/Megacorps.
The former craved aggressive engagement against natural philosophical enemies and access to Empire via Pureblind.
The latter demanded 24/7 gate camping and territorial control over the core venal afk mining grounds.
If you remember the hoo-harr over the JF ejection from the alliance in the Oberon-led political coup, it was mostly about our reluctance to fight a defensive war for the benefit of the afk-mining megacorps. The old NVA had absolutely no agreed taxation or common defense policy, so to tie up a non-mining corps combat assets with deep venal gate camping was a strictly losing proposition.
Both Deathstar and Celestial Apocalypse were corporations that I actively head-hunted for the NVA as spearhead forces for a counter attack into FE territory. I think they are fighters and agressive raiders not defensive afk-miners.
I have no idea what current PA policy has been of late, but it seems (as an outsider) that they have adopted the old "entrench in core venal with running to empire for agent running" strategy that leaves no room in military focus for an effective counterattack against soft targets or enemy logistics.
I don't think Deathstar and Celestial are cowards in any way shape or form Tehel.
Just like JF were not cowards for refusing to die for Rona/Oberon/CDI afk-mining.
We simply wanted an alliance that had common responsibility and an enlightened military policy. Is it really so hard to understand that core corporate aspiration can differ from greedy alliance objectives of afk mining at the ark feeding trough?
Deathstar and Celestial are hunters. Thats why I once wanted them for the NVA. If the PA doesn't suit that style of play then they have made exactly the right choice to leave.
I swear, you could put lipstick on a pig, tell everyone it was the queen, and 3/4 of the people reading this board would believe you. I dont know if it is you, or the weak minds of those bedazzeled by your fancy words, but I have got to hand it to you jade. And by the way, 90% of the above post is complete horse-Sh!t.
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Just like JF were not cowards for refusing to die for Rona/Oberon/CDI afk-mining.
Oh the DRAMA, Oh the anguish of your poor corporation! PLEASE. From a month before the NVA crumbled JF participation in Venal consisted of 1 pilot(TAKER) alone. While you mouthed-off about how dead the NVA was from Torrinos.
FYI, Good luck to deathstar. Toulac will be missed.
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Miso
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Posted - 2004.02.26 16:51:00 -
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Oh the irony, Halseth
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Riddari
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Posted - 2004.02.26 17:15:00 -
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Defense wins championships, offense wins a game or two
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2004.02.26 17:18:00 -
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I swear, you could put lipstick on a pig, tell everyone it was the queen, and 3/4 of the people reading this board would believe you. I dont know if it is you, or the weak minds of those bedazzeled by your fancy words, but I have got to hand it to you jade. And by the way, 90% of the above post is complete horse-Sh!t.
Shall I let you into a little secret Halseth?
The trick to good public relations is don't tell lies. There is a reason that my opinions are considered valid by the neutral public, and thats because by and large I tell the truth. Now I know you consider all history dead and irrelevent and all past debts meaningless and you favour the revisionist-bury-one's-head-in-the-sand style of government over actual accountability etc, but it just doesn't wash.
You remember back in the VA/Taggart vs FA war? I was the first person to admit that it wasn't working, that we weren't winning, that internal divisions were hindering the war effort and that Ragnar was not pulling his weight. At the time I was massively flamed by various reactionaries but you know what? History proved I was right.
Taggart learned a lot from the experience and reformed, the tyrant was send into exile (in a manner of speaking) and everyone lived happily ever after.
Now the truth of the NVA experience is that I invited you into the alliance, I had you sign documents accepting a certain declaration of principles, member list, NAP list, and associated ideologies. But almost from day one you began to work towards mutating the free-space agenda and open economic environment into something of a private plutocratic desmene for your corporation and aspirations. At each iteration of the political process you eroded some more of the founding principles, forgot a little more history, and sidestepped a few more obligations. You betrayed the friendship I offered you Halseth. And in doing so you traded away the good name of Oberon and became just one more greedy reactionary prepared to do and say anything in the service of the mighty isk.
Why do people believe this?
Because it is true. You have never once been able to disprove a single allegation I have made about your conduct, you have never once been able to successfully argue an honourable slant to the direction your policies took. You are a self-admitted snake and historical denier, and I can think of few more loathsome identities in the Eve star cluster given your penchant for evading responsibilities and slithery wriggling gait.
You are a thief of dreams and ideals Halseth. You took the foundation of something new and original and exciting and turned it into a reactionary gate-camping afk-mining scam.
And whats more, you did it with absolutely no style, no flamboyance and no eye for the dramatic.
Let me quote your own words now.
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Greetings from the newly formed Phoenix Alliance (TPA). This is a declaration of our organization birth and intentions. Formed from what once were the core corporations of the NVA, let it be known without a doubt that the new venal alliance is dead, gone and buried. From this point on, the past remains in the past. References to ancient civil wars, past victories/defeats, betrayals, heroics, and feuds are now abolished to material we consider irrelevant. The Phoenix Alliance will now start with a clean slate and a determined focus on what is best for the corps of TPA. Now I would like to state some points about Eve's newest alliance: TPA sets all foreign alliance standings to "neutral". TPA consists of the regions: Venal, Branch, and Tenal. These regions are closed to all non VE personnel and corps
It is a spoken act of betrayal Halseth, a foul and disgusting evasion of past debts, and a gesture of hateful abandonment for honourable recognition for past aid both material and political. Many corporations funded the NVA most generously in our fight for freedom and revolution in the north and we promised them perpetual allaince and access and friendship.
You agreed to be so bound when I authorised the Oberon entrance into the alliance.
Then you betrayed everything when leading the PA political coup.
These are facts, and they really are all I ever speak on these matters Halseth, where I am uncertain I say so, where I am certain I say so, and my word is acknowledged good.
Whereas yours is false.
And that really is all there is to say.
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Mojo JoJo
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Posted - 2004.02.26 17:25:00 -
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Defense wins championships, offense wins a game or two
one of the game offense wins is eve btw
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Mongo Peck
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Posted - 2004.02.26 17:27:00 -
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The trick to good public relations is don't tell lies. There is a reason that my opinions are considered valid by the neutral public, and thats because by and large I tell the truth
Stop it Jade ..... I just spat my tea all over my monitor ..
Mongo speaks !!
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2004.02.26 17:32:00 -
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The funny thing is Mongo, its pretty much the truth though. Sure I put a poetic spin on things, I emphasise certain aspects, minimise others, but have you ever seen me lying about the facts? I don't think so. I am one of the those people that have a very good memory of spoken contradiction and thus understand the danger of falling into the those traps Mongo.
Hell, I never even lied about Taggart being piratical supporters in the VA when I was hired to spin them out of trouble.
If you remember I presented a brave face and called it "non-consensual armed trade" ;)
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Mongo Peck
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Posted - 2004.02.26 17:35:00 -
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All I have to say ....
Jade ... your got class .........
Ps .... I still going to pod you
Mongo speaks !!
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Christopher Xen
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Posted - 2004.02.26 17:58:00 -
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Edited by: Christopher Xen on 26/02/2004 18:06:10
Yup, I here its fun, we got several JC corpses. What happened to that whole self imposed exile thing jade? did we finally get over the PLOM(Poor little Ol Me) disease.
But With this post i see that EVOLs hard work and patience is paying off. Way to go guys. Remember once they stop showing up...Declare war and follow them into empire where they hide.
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PAPA
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Posted - 2004.02.26 18:04:00 -
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good luck guys,do wot makes u happy
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darth solo
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Posted - 2004.02.26 18:05:00 -
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oh my.
why do all the posts on this forum drag up past crap. think alot of u guys should convo eachother ingame.
one last thing, EVOL fought their war, they way they fight, it just wasnt the way we wanted to PVP in eve..
nothing has changed ingame, im sure we will have the chance to fight with EVOL in the future, untill then suppose we are all still KOS:(.
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Stoop
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Posted - 2004.02.26 18:11:00 -
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Edited by: Jade Constantine on 26/02/2004 16:05:16
If you remember the hoo-harr over the JF ejection from the alliance in the Oberon-led political coup, it was mostly about our reluctance to fight a defensive war for the benefit of the afk-mining megacorps.
Im sorry to 'flame' this but... well.. spin spin spin. Thats all you do is spin. JF was 'ejected' when the new PA was formed not because of JF, but because of you. Everyone liked the other members of JF. Most everyone (I hate to say everyone because you will name one single person to nit pick) strongly disliked you. Sorry sir.
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2004.02.26 18:15:00 -
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Whether thats the reason or not Stoop m'dear, it doesn't make your actions less treacherous or your "alliance" more noble. You acted like snakes, just because you might dislike a person gives you no moral right to break your word. You acted the dishonourable dog, learn to live with your reputation.
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Maud Dib
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Posted - 2004.02.26 18:27:00 -
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You two should fight it out.
PS Everybody loves me. Well except for Charity, she thinks I'm an oaf.
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Stoop
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Posted - 2004.02.26 18:29:00 -
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Whether thats the reason or not Stoop m'dear, it doesn't make your actions less treacherous or your "alliance" more noble. You acted like snakes, just because you might dislike a person gives you no moral right to break your word. You acted the dishonourable dog, learn to live with your reputation.
You find no honour in us breaking our moral word. I find no honour in you adding bullsh-t here and bullsh-t there. A little soon adds up to be a lot, which accurately describes you, a lot of bullsh-t.
But I guess we can always say its an RP thing. If its your job in this VIDEO GAME (I think I have reminded you that eve is a game before, which then got us in trouble with you because you had a long term investment in this (game)) to spew vomit then so be it.
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v ger
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Posted - 2004.02.26 18:44:00 -
[55]
To Toulak and all of DeathStar International...
Best of luck to you guys. Hope we have the opportunity to hunt together again sometime. You know I think you and your corp will be great at what ever you chose to do.
V
Celestial Apocalypse…to wear the badge,you carry the burden.
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Halseth Durn
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Posted - 2004.02.26 18:49:00 -
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Jade = Liar, spin doctor, Public opinion manipulator. What ever you want to call it. And she always needs to have an enemy to keep himself in the public eye to help support her inflated ego because she only plays the Forum game. Not the space game.
Jade wanted to turn the NVA into a duplicate of the CFS. Guilded by princepals and "free space". Having previously tried that route with the SPC, I knew it does not work. Jade thinks you can run a glorious 0.0 alliance with a few pep talks of morality and good forum presense from empire space (where he stays).
Keep it ingame. - Orestes
Oberon-Inc FEAR MY EMOTICONS |
LLeBRing
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Posted - 2004.02.26 19:01:00 -
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GL DSIN and Celes as well
looks as if we are getting a wee bit small here 
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Jebba IV
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Posted - 2004.02.26 19:44:00 -
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Quote:
Jade = Liar, spin doctor, Public opinion manipulator. What ever you want to call it. And she always needs to have an enemy to keep himself in the public eye to help support her inflated ego because she only plays the Forum game. Not the space game.
Jade wanted to turn the NVA into a duplicate of the CFS. Guilded by princepals and "free space". Having previously tried that route with the SPC, I knew it does not work. Jade thinks you can run a glorious 0.0 alliance with a few pep talks of morality and good forum presense from empire space (where he stays).
Keep it ingame. - Orestes
you need to get a grip man
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Raffer Rush
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Posted - 2004.02.26 20:01:00 -
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GL DSIN and Celes
Your timing could have been better i.m.h.o.
If you instead made it a group effort and joined us up north we could have kicked EVOL out in no time, and then you could have left PA with high honors and respect, leaving now makes it looks slightly bad for both your corporations and for PA but oh so good for EVOL, just my opinion.
Toulak et al. I have seen alot in the BKG-Q2 area, so it's not like DSIN havent done their bit for the war, Celes havent been seen much up here after the first few days but I still consider you guys good friends and pilots.
Good luck guys and gals, hope to fly with you in the future. "You can be my wingman any time"
Until then I could really need a cheap Raven it seems ;)
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Jim Bond
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Posted - 2004.02.26 20:48:00 -
[60]
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oh my.
why do all the posts on this forum drag up past crap. think alot of u guys should convo eachother ingame.
one last thing, EVOL fought their war, they way they fight, it just wasnt the way we wanted to PVP in eve..
nothing has changed ingame, im sure we will have the chance to fight with EVOL in the future, untill then suppose we are all still KOS:(.
As far as i'm concerned Celest and Deathstar International are not KOS, until I am fired on by them 1st. This is just me and does not neccesarily represent the view of the rest of Evolution.
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KamiCrazy
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Posted - 2004.02.26 21:57:00 -
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Its funny how things turn out. Lets just assume for now that EVOL really did kick Celes/DSIN asses so much, that they left their alliance.
Now what?...
Nothing... EVE's world goes on, people still blow each other up, and theres always going to be smack talk on the forums here. Who cares? and get on with your business. Sometimes I find that theres too much rambling.
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Maiwenn LeBesc0
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Posted - 2004.02.26 22:12:00 -
[62]
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nothing has changed ingame, im sure we will have the chance to fight with EVOL in the future, untill then suppose we are all still KOS:(.
We are fighting the PA, not Celestial Apocalypse.
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2004.02.26 23:06:00 -
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Hmmm, so, let me see if I get the gist of the PA side of the argument here. Stoop says, that because I annoy him that means he doesn't have to keep his word to me. Which is an interesting position to take; kinda like me buying a ship from someone and saying ... "actually, I don't much like the cut of your jib sirrah! hence I shall refrain from paying!"
I have to say that doesn't make much sense in real world or computer games. Your word is your word, break it and pay the price. In this case the "price" is ... nobody trusts you.
Then monsieur Durn charmingly rants again with fury and no substance and having failed to substantiate any specific points with anything as crass as actual facts or pertinent argument, he descends to his basic "... jade jade she's a man tirade etc."
I'm wondering exactly what to make of this.
Does Halseth believe that my real life gender makes some kind of difference to the validity of my arguements or the implications of his own villainy in game?
Is it like this ... that if I am really a green-haired space goddess that he is wrong, whereas if I am not, he is right?
I am confused, but I have to admit, this does seem to be a rather special argument ;)
JF Public Forum |
Revolution
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Posted - 2004.02.26 23:13:00 -
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GL GUYS, its sad to see the last of the original NVA/VA guys leaving after we fought so hard in the first place to set you guys up in venal, im sure along with the rest of evol we are sad that corps that came into venal AFTER all the fighting was done(rona/oberon etc) let you guys down by opening hostilities with us, us who considered you guys friends ;\ hopefully the future will see us fighting alongside you once more.
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Stoop
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Posted - 2004.02.26 23:32:00 -
[65]
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Hmmm, so, let me see if I get the gist of the PA side of the argument here. Stoop says, that because I annoy him that means he doesn't have to keep his word to me. Which is an interesting position to take; kinda like me buying a ship from someone and saying ... "actually, I don't much like the cut of your jib sirrah! hence I shall refrain from paying!"
Yah, I said it like ten times... I dont keep my word to you because you are annoying. Yep I obviously said that. Spin, spin, spin..... Down..wa...rd.... Spi..ra..l
I like Trent .
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2004.02.26 23:37:00 -
[66]
That is pretty much exactly what you said stoop (albeit in more interesting language). You were excusing your dishonourable actions because you were annoyed at me?
Or would you like to explain what else you meant?
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Stoop
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Posted - 2004.02.26 23:43:00 -
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No it was more a situation of duality. How can you say that in us breaking our perma-nap with evol (which obviously most of didnt know anything about, and as evol has stated themselves, they dont have allies nor naps etc) make us not honourable... but you in all of your filthy spinning, half trues, and subtle lies.. can remain honourable.
Thats what I said. Or maybe I said. I DONT LIKE JADE AND I LIE BECAUSE SHE IS ANNOYING. (I don't lie. I really don't need to lie. Im not a high profile player like Jade. I don't really care if people think I am a godsend or not.)
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2004.02.26 23:57:00 -
[68]
You knew all about it Stoop. Lets not play dumb ;)
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Stoop
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Posted - 2004.02.27 00:00:00 -
[69]
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You knew all about it Stoop. Lets not play dumb ;)
Yes just like I said that I lied for the simple fact that you are annoying.
CHING. The price in Right!
If a = b, and b = c, then c DOES equal a right jade?
Making sure we are on the same plane here.
Sorry to jack your thread DSIN. It was good working with you guys. Nice talking to you Toulak, you seem like a good guy.
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2004.02.27 00:03:00 -
[70]
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Yes just like I said that I lied for the simple fact that you are annoying.
Well yes you did, and your point is?
JF Public Forum |
Sokhar
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Posted - 2004.02.27 02:09:00 -
[71]
You know what's not cool?... Jade
True Power
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Halseth Durn
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Posted - 2004.02.27 02:25:00 -
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Edited by: Halseth Durn on 27/02/2004 02:30:54
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GL GUYS, its sad to see the last of the original NVA/VA guys leaving after we fought so hard in the first place to set you guys up in venal, im sure along with the rest of evol we are sad that corps that came into venal AFTER all the fighting was done(rona/oberon etc) let you guys down by opening hostilities with us, us who considered you guys friends ;\ hopefully the future will see us fighting alongside you once more.
Who says Oberon and RONA opened hostilities? Do you think that we twisted the arms of GODS, CDI, Infinicorp, KIA, Occassus, Con, Blade Runners and others to stand up and fight against an invading force? Everyone was united the moment Evol made a show of force. Diplomatic overatures from Oberon and RONA were tuned down by evol from the start.
Oberon-Inc FEAR MY EMOTICONS |
Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2004.02.27 02:53:00 -
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Halseth, it really doesn't matter how many times you say it. You betrayed Evolution and the Taggart war-era NVA allies by revoking all pacts and agreements and alliances. Its really quite simple. You swore (to me) to support the NVA declaration of principles and associated documentation and you broke your oath.
JF Public Forum |
Sokhar
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Posted - 2004.02.27 03:09:00 -
[74]
j0sephine is in jericho  that sux
True Power
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2004.02.27 04:03:00 -
[75]
I love it when the enemy send their elite special forces alt commandos to perform surgical numpty strikes ... its top entertainment ;)
JF Public Forum |
Presidio
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Posted - 2004.02.27 04:22:00 -
[76]
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I'm not an alt you n00b, you've met me before or are you that psychotic you don't remember
lol I think they are confusing you with that alt (Soklar) that keeps flying around venal, lol
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Mao Tse-tung
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Sokhar
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Posted - 2004.02.27 04:37:00 -
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Edited by: Sokhar on 27/02/2004 04:43:31
Edited by: Sokhar on 27/02/2004 04:38:10
I'm not memorable, I highly doubt that, I'm so memorable you put me on your block list dude
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2004.02.27 05:04:00 -
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I'm not memorable, I highly doubt that, I'm so memorable you put me on your block list dude
Seriously old chap, you really aren't that memorable, if I blocked you it was probably because you were spamming trade. Thats usually how naughty boys end up blocked. I have a lot of patience for smack, but none for boredom. I suspect you were just being dull.
JF Public Forum |
Bandit24
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Posted - 2004.02.27 05:09:00 -
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Hardly no one left worth killing
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Javi
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Posted - 2004.02.27 05:34:00 -
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skipped most of the posts but...
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the tactic of boring the PA corps to death and making their members quit EVE is starting to pay of..
nice try there, the least these 2 "good" pvp-ing corps could've done was stick around till the fight was over. but they can't because they're "bored" and want to leave their "friends" behind so they can go have their "fun".
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"well..."
-Estarriol, Evolution AZN Calculat |
Sokhar
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Posted - 2004.02.27 06:14:00 -
[81]
I hope evol slaps you around jade
True Power
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Darkrydar
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Posted - 2004.02.27 06:25:00 -
[82]
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skipped most of the posts but...
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the tactic of boring the PA corps to death and making their members quit EVE is starting to pay of..
nice try there, the least these 2 "good" pvp-ing corps could've done was stick around till the fight was over. but they can't because they're "bored" and want to leave their "friends" behind so they can go have their "fun".
I find myself in agrement. Now I most go self-distruct.....
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Javi
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Posted - 2004.02.27 06:25:00 -
[83]
Edited by: Javi on 27/02/2004 06:27:41
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I hope evol slaps you around jade
OoOhhh... the temptations...(and i mean that in a good way... as in barrels.)
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"well..."
-Estarriol, Evolution AZN Calculat |
Sokhar
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Posted - 2004.02.27 06:28:00 -
[84]
Edited by: Sokhar on 27/02/2004 06:28:57
Javi I'll give you an isky for her corpse 
True Power
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Javi
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Posted - 2004.02.27 06:34:00 -
[85]
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Edited by: Sokhar on 27/02/2004 06:28:57
Javi I'll give you an isky for her corpse
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(and i mean that in a good way... as in barrels.)
not planning on shooting her
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"well..."
-Estarriol, Evolution AZN Calculat |
Kurenin
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Posted - 2004.02.27 06:38:00 -
[86]
Quote:
Edited by: Halseth Durn on 26/02/2004 17:05:41
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Edited by: Jade Constantine on 26/02/2004 16:05:16
Tehel, I have no idea if this is the exact issue, and I wouldn't presume to speak for any of the principle actors in these events, but ...
The critical NVA/FE war issue for the old NVA was the contradiction between between the interests of the PvP/Trading/Empire interested Corps and the deep Venal Industrial/Mining/Megacorps.
The former craved aggressive engagement against natural philosophical enemies and access to Empire via Pureblind.
The latter demanded 24/7 gate camping and territorial control over the core venal afk mining grounds.
If you remember the hoo-harr over the JF ejection from the alliance in the Oberon-led political coup, it was mostly about our reluctance to fight a defensive war for the benefit of the afk-mining megacorps. The old NVA had absolutely no agreed taxation or common defense policy, so to tie up a non-mining corps combat assets with deep venal gate camping was a strictly losing proposition.
Both Deathstar and Celestial Apocalypse were corporations that I actively head-hunted for the NVA as spearhead forces for a counter attack into FE territory. I think they are fighters and agressive raiders not defensive afk-miners.
I have no idea what current PA policy has been of late, but it seems (as an outsider) that they have adopted the old "entrench in core venal with running to empire for agent running" strategy that leaves no room in military focus for an effective counterattack against soft targets or enemy logistics.
I don't think Deathstar and Celestial are cowards in any way shape or form Tehel.
Just like JF were not cowards for refusing to die for Rona/Oberon/CDI afk-mining.
We simply wanted an alliance that had common responsibility and an enlightened military policy. Is it really so hard to understand that core corporate aspiration can differ from greedy alliance objectives of afk mining at the ark feeding trough?
Deathstar and Celestial are hunters. Thats why I once wanted them for the NVA. If the PA doesn't suit that style of play then they have made exactly the right choice to leave.
I swear, you could put lipstick on a pig, tell everyone it was the queen, and 3/4 of the people reading this board would believe you. I dont know if it is you, or the weak minds of those bedazzeled by your fancy words, but I have got to hand it to you jade. And by the way, 90% of the above post is complete horse-Sh!t.
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Just like JF were not cowards for refusing to die for Rona/Oberon/CDI afk-mining.
Oh the DRAMA, Oh the anguish of your poor corporation! PLEASE. From a month before the NVA crumbled JF participation in Venal consisted of 1 pilot(TAKER) alone. While you mouthed-off about how dead the NVA was from Torrinos.
FYI, Good luck to deathstar. Toulac will be missed.
I was there fighting a month and a half before you kicked Jericho, and due to your alliances amazing skills at questioning orders, we generally got it handed to us. Just some clarification for you.
Okay, also, Miso, although utter ****e at PvP was there. Erm, Serak Tur was also fighting.
The reason you crumbled was because none of you followed orders, I would be like "okay im going in, when i say warp to me, you warp to me"
... 5 secounds pass...
Me >"warp to me"
NVA guy > "why?"
:)
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[22:02] <Kurenin> anyhow, on a more serious note, what did you think of those ideas?
[22:02] <Hammerhead> we can't do anything that requires programming
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Deathwing
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Posted - 2004.02.27 06:39:00 -
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Im waitin for Miso Jade and Lian in a dead end system in the middle of nowhere, with me, in a station
mmmmmmmm
naked jello wrestling
w00t
<Stavros> A MAN DRESSED AS SPIDERMAN KICKED MY ASS |
IIIIIIIII
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Posted - 2004.02.27 07:09:00 -
[88]
Quote:
Quote:
Edited by: Halseth Durn on 26/02/2004 17:05:41
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Edited by: Jade Constantine on 26/02/2004 16:05:16
Tehel, I have no idea if this is the exact issue, and I wouldn't presume to speak for any of the principle actors in these events, but ...
The critical NVA/FE war issue for the old NVA was the contradiction between between the interests of the PvP/Trading/Empire interested Corps and the deep Venal Industrial/Mining/Megacorps.
The former craved aggressive engagement against natural philosophical enemies and access to Empire via Pureblind.
The latter demanded 24/7 gate camping and territorial control over the core venal afk mining grounds.
If you remember the hoo-harr over the JF ejection from the alliance in the Oberon-led political coup, it was mostly about our reluctance to fight a defensive war for the benefit of the afk-mining megacorps. The old NVA had absolutely no agreed taxation or common defense policy, so to tie up a non-mining corps combat assets with deep venal gate camping was a strictly losing proposition.
Both Deathstar and Celestial Apocalypse were corporations that I actively head-hunted for the NVA as spearhead forces for a counter attack into FE territory. I think they are fighters and agressive raiders not defensive afk-miners.
I have no idea what current PA policy has been of late, but it seems (as an outsider) that they have adopted the old "entrench in core venal with running to empire for agent running" strategy that leaves no room in military focus for an effective counterattack against soft targets or enemy logistics.
I don't think Deathstar and Celestial are cowards in any way shape or form Tehel.
Just like JF were not cowards for refusing to die for Rona/Oberon/CDI afk-mining.
We simply wanted an alliance that had common responsibility and an enlightened military policy. Is it really so hard to understand that core corporate aspiration can differ from greedy alliance objectives of afk mining at the ark feeding trough?
Deathstar and Celestial are hunters. Thats why I once wanted them for the NVA. If the PA doesn't suit that style of play then they have made exactly the right choice to leave.
I swear, you could put lipstick on a pig, tell everyone it was the queen, and 3/4 of the people reading this board would believe you. I dont know if it is you, or the weak minds of those bedazzeled by your fancy words, but I have got to hand it to you jade. And by the way, 90% of the above post is complete horse-Sh!t.
Quote:
Just like JF were not cowards for refusing to die for Rona/Oberon/CDI afk-mining.
Oh the DRAMA, Oh the anguish of your poor corporation! PLEASE. From a month before the NVA crumbled JF participation in Venal consisted of 1 pilot(TAKER) alone. While you mouthed-off about how dead the NVA was from Torrinos.
FYI, Good luck to deathstar. Toulac will be missed.
I was there fighting a month and a half before you kicked Jericho, and due to your alliances amazing skills at questioning orders, we generally got it handed to us. Just some clarification for you.
Okay, also, Miso, although utter ****e at PvP was there. Erm, Serak Tur was also fighting.
The reason you crumbled was because none of you followed orders, I would be like "okay im going in, when i say warp to me, you warp to me"
... 5 secounds pass...
Me >"warp to me"
NVA guy > "why?"
:)
Dont mind me, I just wanted to get in on the quoting three people before me action.
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Toulak
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Posted - 2004.02.27 12:29:00 -
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nice try there, the least these 2 "good" pvp-ing corps could've done was stick around till the fight was over. but they can't because they're "bored" and want to leave their "friends" behind so they can go have their "fun".
Roflmao, I pay to play and have fun deary, I dont pay a tenner a month, to play and get bored outa my arse for 3 months, if I wanted that I'd quit my courses and get a job.
Carry on with your stupid "politics" because quite frankly we or celest dont care
Thanks to all those words of support from everyone, and its nice to see not everyone takes everything that happens in this game so damn seriously.
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Javi
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Posted - 2004.02.27 15:37:00 -
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Roflmao, I pay to play and have fun deary, I dont pay a tenner a month, to play and get bored outa my arse for 3 months, if I wanted that I'd quit my courses and get a job.
lol everytime these guys get the truth smacked in their faces, they come up with the lamest responses. sorries but its way too obvious.
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"well..."
-Estarriol, Evolution AZN Calculat |
Orestes
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Posted - 2004.02.27 15:58:00 -
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Clean-up time is over.
Please keep the thread as flame-free as you possibly can..
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