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Meleia
Satanic Red
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Posted - 2007.10.27 09:48:00 -
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Hmm, looking at the map here, and if the Goons evacuate Scalding Pass, Wicked Creek and Detorid (maybe only keep a small presence there), and leave those regions to Red Alliance, they could concentrate all their forces in Feythabolis, Esoteria and Paragon Soul, calling in Red Alliance capitals and special forces if/when needed.
If this would happen, and they get settled in these three regions, there is no way in hell that BOB will take back those regions, or in any other way defeat the "RaGoons" in any military way, any time soon now.
There must be someone with a real life military background (like me) who can see this in BOB as well?
"But, the psychiatrist adds that griefers could also just be mentally ill, whether they're depressed, have a psychotic disorder, or substance abuse problems." |

Nekumi
Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.10.27 09:51:00 -
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Are you crazy? Do you know how many jumps that is from Scalding Pass???? 
No goon would put that much effort into moving all their crap.
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Ponderous Thunderstroke
Republic War Machine Industries
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Posted - 2007.10.27 10:02:00 -
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Don't listen to them Meleia. You're absolutely and completely correct, Goons are migrating all their gear.
You see, BoB retreated so fast and in such a panic, by the time they stopped to look, they were in Outer Ring.
Goonswarm will be administering Delve, as of Monday.
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Meleia
Satanic Red
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Posted - 2007.10.27 10:12:00 -
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Originally by: Ponderous Thunderstroke Don't listen to them Meleia. You're absolutely and completely correct, Goons are migrating all their gear.
You see, BoB retreated so fast and in such a panic, by the time they stopped to look, they were in Outer Ring.
Goonswarm will be administering Delve, as of Monday.
Monday eh?  Dont think so.
But IF Goons would settle down in those three regions, there would only be two ways in, one from Stain and one from Period Basis. And those three regions are far superior to the space Goonswarm have right now. Both economical and military.
Also, the BOB retreat would be completely offset by the fact that the Goons would be close to the BOB homeland region Delve/Period Basis.
... rabble rabble...
"But, the psychiatrist adds that griefers could also just be mentally ill, whether they're depressed, have a psychotic disorder, or substance abuse problems." |

fewl
Caldari Frontier Alliance
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Posted - 2007.10.27 10:42:00 -
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i dont think bob said they were retreating. sure they played a video but didnt actually say anything.
they may be lulling everyoneinto a false sense of security
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Ather Ialeas
Amarr Exercitus Solus
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Posted - 2007.10.27 10:53:00 -
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Originally by: fewl i dont think bob said they were retreating. sure they played a video but didnt actually say anything.
they may be lulling everyoneinto a false sense of security
No, they won't come to save your main's ass no matter how much you'd wish that to happen -
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EvilFlyingMonkey
Interstellar eXodus R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2007.10.27 10:55:00 -
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I think you will notice that their allies are retreating, it makes no reference to what the bob forces are doing.
Their approach is simple really, get all their allies into once concentrated position so not only can their allies help each other and them in a more concentrated effort, but also, bob forces don't have to travel so far to help them. -------------------------------------------- Beware of the flying Monkeys
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General StarScream
THE DECEPTIC0NS
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Posted - 2007.10.27 11:05:00 -
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best ide now, is a full attack on delve and fountain.
Wich bob and pets are setting up large death defence stars all over.
the war is far from over.
What bob are doing with the move they doing now, is to give the Ragoons a sense of victory. But they havent won anything, they need to push like a pregnat woman, get it all the way out into the light and give birth to the master plan.
Now is the time they should push everything into the fight.
Bob is short handed with bad moral.
they trying to get smaller space with bottel necks to defend, while leaving a large space open.
Ferge should move from the drone region and into the new open space, while helping ragoons pushing into stain setting up bases there for the big push into delve.
while the north, should push hard into Fountain. afterall BoB will destory the North alliance if they are given the time.
so its important that they fight hard.
Once you****s are down, it should be a nice push into fountain.
Others whom dont like bob should come down the low sec pipe to shakt and make life there hard for bob and pets.
if thees basic plans are done bob wil be out of delve in 6 months.
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Scavok
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.10.27 11:09:00 -
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I'm taking notes, keep the advice coming please.
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Cyrus Ildemar
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.10.27 11:15:00 -
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Edited by: Cyrus Ildemar on 27/10/2007 11:15:18
Originally by: General StarScream What bob are doing with the move they doing now, is to give the Ragoons a sense of victory. But they havent won anything, they need to push like a pregnat woman, get it all the way out into the light and give birth to the master plan.
there appear to be small yellow nuggets in my master plan, possibly corn 
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Kasak Black
The Collective Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2007.10.27 11:21:00 -
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Edited by: Kasak Black on 27/10/2007 11:21:08
Originally by: General StarScream What bob are doing with the move they doing now, is to give the Ragoons a sense of victory. But they havent won anything, they need to push like a pregnat woman, get it all the way out into the light and give birth to the master plan.
You're giving BOB too much credit. Remember this is an Internetz Space Ship Game, not the enigma.
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Cvuos
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.10.27 11:23:00 -
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Originally by: General StarScream they need to push like a pregnat woman, get it all the way out into the light and give birth to the master plan.
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Blazing Fire
Interstellar Operations Incorporated
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Posted - 2007.10.27 11:36:00 -
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Originally by: General StarScream
What bob are doing with the move they doing now, is to give the Ragoons a sense of victory. But they havent won anything, they need to push like a pregnat woman, get it all the way out into the light and give birth to the master plan.
BoB is dying, get over it.
They need much more effort to recover.
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fewl
Caldari Frontier Alliance
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Posted - 2007.10.27 12:29:00 -
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Originally by: Ather Ialeas
Originally by: fewl i dont think bob said they were retreating. sure they played a video but didnt actually say anything.
they may be lulling everyoneinto a false sense of security
No, they won't come to save your main's ass no matter how much you'd wish that to happen
strangely im neutral in this war and have no affiliation with either side. personally i think both sides are as bad as each other in relation to their ingame and forum conduct.
anyway that aside. one thing i know for sure having played this game for so long is to never underestimate either bob or bob member corps.
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Meleia
Satanic Red
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Posted - 2007.10.27 12:37:00 -
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Originally by: EvilFlyingMonkey I think you will notice that their allies are retreating, it makes no reference to what the bob forces are doing.
Their approach is simple really, get all their allies into once concentrated position so not only can their allies help each other and them in a more concentrated effort, but also, bob forces don't have to travel so far to help them.
Yes, that must be the plan. But BOB must realize that Goonswarm might relocate 100% to Feythabolis, Esoteria and Paragon Soul, and thereby offset the gains by pulling back. There is no need to stay in crap regions anymore when Goonswarm can live deeper down south in some of the best regions in the game. Just look at Feythabolis region, its far superior to anything the Goons have right now. Its also very strategical positioned close to BOB, IAC, AAA, etc.
1, BOB will have an easier time to defend, yes, but they will no way in hell be able to win the war if the premises are to annihilate Goonswarm. In that sense the war is already over. (if goons relocate to Feyth, Eso and Para that is..)
2, Goonswarm now have a chance to relocate to three superb regions very close to BOB homeland. AND they will be able to gain isk much faster, safer and easier. Faster becouse there are better ratting systems in those regions, safer becouse they will be very close to their main fleet (might be offset by BOB raiding?) and easier since they dont have to travel very far.
3, Red Alliance wont have any problems holding the space Goonswarm inhabit right now. And i dont think anyone up north would dare to attack them anyway. So the 4-5 regions they would have (if the Goons relocate) would be pretty safe. On the other hand, Red Alliance will be far away from the frontlines... Making the coalition weaker...
Too me, it looks like it will be the biggest stalemate in EVE history. 
"But, the psychiatrist adds that griefers could also just be mentally ill, whether they're depressed, have a psychotic disorder, or substance abuse problems." |

General StarScream
THE DECEPTIC0NS
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Posted - 2007.10.27 12:38:00 -
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i dont think anyone does, even a 1 day old rookie is dangarus.
but even so, it dont change the fact that bob is gona lose all there space, and be rideculed for years for losing to ragoons.
Its like a Wolverin Vs a Old bear. Sig Removed. Dont use inappropriate language in sigs -Kaemonn |

Gnulpie
Minmatar Miner Tech
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Posted - 2007.10.27 12:39:00 -
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There are no goons.
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x racer
Battlestars GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.10.27 12:42:00 -
[18]
There is no BoB
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Radeberger
Caldari Viper Squad Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.10.27 12:42:00 -
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If goons do take up residency in those regions, they should rename their alliance to ASCN mk2 or something random like that Is this a sig? i think not |

Patch86
Di-Tron Heavy Industries Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2007.10.27 12:43:00 -
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BoBs retreat looks like a reaction to faltering on their old frontiers, and needing to regroup. And tbh, its a perfectly reasonable and sensible tactic in anyone's books- your troops are beginning to thin out and you're not managing to be everywhere you need to be at once, so you fall back to a more easily defendable area.
Doesn't mean it'll necessarily help them though. It really does depend if the presence of BoB's main fleet within a few jumps of the front line might encourage the formerly-front-line pets to fight a bit more. If some of them perform like they have been so far, it doesn't look terribly hopeful for the beleaguered bunch.
I have been quite interested to see what RSF do next tbh. There are a lot of tactical possibilities (of which the OP's is one) opened up by BoB's move, and I'm really looking forward to see what they go for next. ------
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Meleia
Satanic Red
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Posted - 2007.10.27 12:49:00 -
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Originally by: fewl
Originally by: Ather Ialeas
Originally by: fewl i dont think bob said they were retreating. sure they played a video but didnt actually say anything.
they may be lulling everyoneinto a false sense of security
No, they won't come to save your main's ass no matter how much you'd wish that to happen
strangely im neutral in this war and have no affiliation with either side. personally i think both sides are as bad as each other in relation to their ingame and forum conduct.
anyway that aside. one thing i know for sure having played this game for so long is to never underestimate either bob or bob member corps.
I dont think even the Goons really belive they will ever be able to take Delve from BOB. If they do, i just feel sorry for them.
BOB fighting for their survival in their home region will for sure be the most motivated and hardest hitting force EVE have ever seen. It will be totalhelldeath for any power that tries to get a foothold in that region.
On the other hand, BOB will never wipe out the Goons either, thats for sure. Its too late for that.
EPIC STALEMATE 
"But, the psychiatrist adds that griefers could also just be mentally ill, whether they're depressed, have a psychotic disorder, or substance abuse problems." |

ciapek
Amarr Dark Centuri Inc. Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2007.10.27 12:51:00 -
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Originally by: General StarScream best ide now, is a full attack on delve and fountain.
Wich bob and pets are setting up large death defence stars all over.
the war is far from over.
What bob are doing with the move they doing now, is to give the Ragoons a sense of victory. But they havent won anything, they need to push like a pregnat woman, get it all the way out into the light and give birth to the master plan.
Now is the time they should push everything into the fight.
Bob is short handed with bad moral.
they trying to get smaller space with bottel necks to defend, while leaving a large space open.
Ferge should move from the drone region and into the new open space, while helping ragoons pushing into stain setting up bases there for the big push into delve.
while the north, should push hard into Fountain. afterall BoB will destory the North alliance if they are given the time.
so its important that they fight hard.
Once you****s are down, it should be a nice push into fountain.
Others whom dont like bob should come down the low sec pipe to shakt and make life there hard for bob and pets.
if thees basic plans are done bob wil be out of delve in 6 months.
goons never won anything
and they need ferge to move ... maybe they need some more help, 5k alliance got help from at least 4 other allincess in total forcess of 1/3 of whole eve and they need more, ive idea you to join goons, get into mr.smith community and win eve ! numbers are almost a win button but even having that you have problems, willsee whats happen next, those noobs of yours which get prepared plan what to learn what and how to fly hehe noob soldiers they, yes what are they ? just goons, hmmm on level that they smack each other on forums making ppl just skip topics and in game wow wow over 5000 ( plus how many total in tcf aaa ra and what else? ) and still cant do much :D waiting for time that goons will have to fight alone its gonna be like duck hunting, btw bob invented DD T2 ha ha ha so go open another topic and cry about
and some smack: does goons figured out frigate fit that survives DD or still working on it ?
ah and start banning whiners cause every post looks same when goons start to reply - waste of time
*8564 goons member*
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CommanderInChief
The-Secret-Service Retribution.
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Posted - 2007.10.27 12:54:00 -
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As a neut It all seems a bit too easy to me - remember BoB have survived and won the great wars with ASCN and D2. And when it comes to war they are experienced, so dont assume anything. It could be a nice trap they are lying out
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Scavok
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.10.27 12:55:00 -
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Originally by: Meleia
Yes, that must be the plan. But BOB must realize that Goonswarm might relocate 100% to Feythabolis, Esoteria and Paragon Soul, and thereby offset the gains by pulling back. There is no need to stay in crap regions anymore when Goonswarm can live deeper down south in some of the best regions in the game. Just look at Feythabolis region, its far superior to anything the Goons have right now. Its also very strategical positioned close to BOB, IAC, AAA, etc.
There's nothing in feyth that's any better than Scalding Pass, Southern Detorid, or Eastern Tenerifis. The main clusters of stations in each of the regions are in really good trusec with Angel rats and Arkonor. The only thing Esoteria has to offer that's any different is Sansha rats.
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Meleia
Satanic Red
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Posted - 2007.10.27 12:57:00 -
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Originally by: Patch86 BoBs retreat looks like a reaction to faltering on their old frontiers, and needing to regroup. And tbh, its a perfectly reasonable and sensible tactic in anyone's books- your troops are beginning to thin out and you're not managing to be everywhere you need to be at once, so you fall back to a more easily defendable area.
Its a good tactic if you are loosing, yes. Its not a tactic to use to win a war though. Not three regions. if it had been half a region or something sure, but not giving up three regions.
Quote: Doesn't mean it'll necessarily help them though. It really does depend if the presence of BoB's main fleet within a few jumps of the front line might encourage the formerly-front-line pets to fight a bit more. If some of them perform like they have been so far, it doesn't look terribly hopeful for the beleaguered bunch.
BOB pets are not any worse than RaGoon pets imho. FIX is actually one of the better alliances in the game if they could get a better structure on things.
Quote: I have been quite interested to see what RSF do next tbh. There are a lot of tactical possibilities (of which the OP's is one) opened up by BoB's move, and I'm really looking forward to see what they go for next.
I dont think they will leave the space they have now. They never will. So they will be very far away from the fighting, contributing the the stalemate im predicting.
"But, the psychiatrist adds that griefers could also just be mentally ill, whether they're depressed, have a psychotic disorder, or substance abuse problems." |

CommanderInChief
The-Secret-Service Retribution.
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Posted - 2007.10.27 13:00:00 -
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The funny thing is your all worried about Goons/BoB I think you better look over your shoulder at Tri, as you lot are fighting this war Tri are becoming more and more powerful..
First YouWhat? What next Razor? MM?
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Impretinent
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.10.27 13:01:00 -
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Originally by: ciapek
Originally by: General StarScream best ide now, is a full attack on delve and fountain.
Wich bob and pets are setting up large death defence stars all over.
the war is far from over.
What bob are doing with the move they doing now, is to give the Ragoons a sense of victory. But they havent won anything, they need to push like a pregnat woman, get it all the way out into the light and give birth to the master plan.
Now is the time they should push everything into the fight.
Bob is short handed with bad moral.
they trying to get smaller space with bottel necks to defend, while leaving a large space open.
Ferge should move from the drone region and into the new open space, while helping ragoons pushing into stain setting up bases there for the big push into delve.
while the north, should push hard into Fountain. afterall BoB will destory the North alliance if they are given the time.
so its important that they fight hard.
Once you****s are down, it should be a nice push into fountain.
Others whom dont like bob should come down the low sec pipe to shakt and make life there hard for bob and pets.
if thees basic plans are done bob wil be out of delve in 6 months.
goons never won anything
and they need ferge to move ... maybe they need some more help, 5k alliance got help from at least 4 other allincess in total forcess of 1/3 of whole eve and they need more, ive idea you to join goons, get into mr.smith community and win eve ! numbers are almost a win button but even having that you have problems, willsee whats happen next, those noobs of yours which get prepared plan what to learn what and how to fly hehe noob soldiers they, yes what are they ? just goons, hmmm on level that they smack each other on forums making ppl just skip topics and in game wow wow over 5000 ( plus how many total in tcf aaa ra and what else? ) and still cant do much :D waiting for time that goons will have to fight alone its gonna be like duck hunting, btw bob invented DD T2 ha ha ha so go open another topic and cry about
and some smack: does goons figured out frigate fit that survives DD or still working on it ?
ah and start banning whiners cause every post looks same when goons start to reply - waste of time
*8564 goons member*
I agree. Goons are the worst. Did you know that the period can be used for more than ellipsis?
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General StarScream
THE DECEPTIC0NS
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Posted - 2007.10.27 13:01:00 -
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Well alot of people hate bob, they asked for it, they want everyone in eve to attack them. and so they shall get the fury of the wild, they have it comming for a long time now.
alliance that join the fight vs bob and pets now, will get o rich o rich i tell you. ++ the personal feeling of killing bob the most evil Alliance in EvE. They must die GOD WILLS IT.
Its not like its hard, they still have like 5 fronts to defend. BOB WILL FALL just a matter of time now, they know they cant pay the pos fuel for long, soon they will be forgoten and a new power shall come, it will be in the name of the holy Sig Removed. Dont use inappropriate language in sigs -Kaemonn |

Centauris
Thundercats RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2007.10.27 13:05:00 -
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Goons will be our new mining residents in Tenal afaik. Signature removed again. Do not undo a moderators actions again. Mail us at [email protected] if you have a query - Valorem
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End Yourself
Core Domination Big Bang Quantum
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Posted - 2007.10.27 13:09:00 -
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real life military background   
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