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Drasked North Face Force	Posted - 2007.10.29 14:44:00 - [1] Nanos already got nerfed, this just proofs how fail some people are in countering something.
Drasked North Face Force	Posted - 2007.10.29 14:48:00 - [2] Originally by: d026 just tell me one thing. how do you web a super fast ship? if you web it the next second hes out of webrange anyway (inertia/serversync/lag) and arround 50k from you. ok you have a huginn, you webb him at 30-40k what does he do? he instawarps! so the only way to catch him is to have a hugin + a ship with 40k scram range and a lot of luck you have enough firepower to bring him down bevore he starts to do the log/relog game. and thats just for solo. facing a gang consisting of superfast targets you clearely see where this ends.. Make sure the ship that is webbing is also fast, DUHOH.
Drasked North Face Force	Posted - 2007.10.29 15:15:00 - [3] Btw the counter against nano ships also inclused using your brain, so if you fly in fleets and your not the FC, stfu please your FC is epic fail, otherwise it should be easy to; a.) kill them b.) make them go away c.) go away yourself I do this on a daily basis with my gang so i dont see the problem.
Drasked North Face Force	Posted - 2007.10.29 16:28:00 - [4] Guys, you bring your normal gang + 1 huginn wich is nanod or tanked and now the opposing team can't do jack.. I just dont see the problem when the counter is so simple, 1 huginn.
Drasked North Face Force	Posted - 2007.10.29 17:28:00 - [5] Originally by: d026 Originally by: Drasked Guys, you bring your normal gang + 1 huginn wich is nanod or tanked and now the opposing team can't do jack.. I just dont see the problem when the counter is so simple, 1 huginn. to kill a deimos with fit a i use fit b on my muninn. to kill a sacrilege with fit c i use fit d on my deimos. to kill a vagabond in a sacrilege i need a huginn/rapier. dont this strike you odd? I find it hard to believe that you could kill any of those ships if they are fit for speed with anything other then something that counters speed.
Drasked North Face Force	Posted - 2007.10.29 17:40:00 - [6] Originally by: d026 there lies the problem. there arent any viable counters to speed execpt: 1. speed which only a minority of ships can use to they're advantage 2. long range webs which only are available from a minmatar recon 3. long range scrams which again are only available from gallente recons so to effectively disable 1 speed fit i need a combination of long range webbers and long range scrams which i cant fit on my ordinary ship. but to kill any other ship i have the required modules available and i can fit them on any ship! I agree with the fact that the counters to speed might be a bit limited, but this does not take away from how crazy effective it is, you guys make it sound like if you have a huginn and arazu in your gang and the moon is at a specific degree from the sun and earth that you have a 3.2% chance to have a 12.9% chance to catch a nanod ship, this is not the case.
Drasked North Face Force	Posted - 2007.10.29 17:51:00 - [7] Originally by: d026 eve is paper > rock > scissors. but nanofits don't follow this scheme. they are a lil of scissor and rock at the same time thus making it impossible to counter with only one ship. This went out of the window some time ago now. If you think this is not the case then explain me what part of eve is rock paper scissors. Rock paper scissors is also a 1on1 game, keep that in mind when you compare it to eve.
Drasked North Face Force	Posted - 2007.10.30 11:38:00 - [8] Edited by: Drasked on 30/10/2007 11:43:02 Originally by: Gefex Originally by: Semkhet Do you think that any mentally sane individual would not use the most performing tool in a given area provided he enjoys both the skills to use it properly and the money to own it ? Well thats kinda my point, Nanos = the 'best' tool at the moment so everyone is using them, when everyone starts to use the same thing then there is clearly an issue with balance. Originally by: Semkhet Do you think that if someone invests the same amount of isk required by an excellent nanopilot into a shield or armor tank, you would be able to break that tank without problems ? Hell, a Gist-B X-Large SB costs less than a low-grade snake set. Now let's see how easy you break a BS tank which can permarun such a booster... Not going to get into the whole 'counter' argument, but that 1 bill booster can be completely nullified by a couple of heavy neuts. Nano ships won't win you a pos war, so they are the best tool for a specific job. Also a 1bil nano setup can also be nullified by a couple of webs.
Drasked North Face Force	Posted - 2007.10.30 12:05:00 - [9] Edited by: Drasked on 30/10/2007 12:06:55 Originally by: Inflexible Originally by: Semkhet ...Once he's orbiting below 23 Km... So what were you saying ? That a vaga does not have counter ? You missed the point. There is nothing wrong or overpowered with vaga willing to fight. Nanoships (in general, not only vaga) not willing to fight ARE pain. Then its up to you to make them willing to fight, ie. pose as having 2 people instead of 20. Its quite simple, if im in an uber tanked bs and i dont want to fight, i dont fight. Your basicly saying that people that dont want to fight are a pain, well DUHOOOOOOOOOOOH this we already knew.
Drasked North Face Force	Posted - 2007.10.30 12:29:00 - [10] Originally by: Gefex Originally by: Drasked Nano ships won't win you a pos war, so they are the best tool for a specific job. They are suited to a multitude of jobs, but I don't think you understand what i'm saying to you, unless you want this to become a game of nanoships online then something has to give. You can defend it till the cows come home, come up with new counters on a daily basis, but the fact is more and more people are jumping into these fits on a daily basis. Jumping on the bandwagon as it were. I can see it now, huge roaming blobs of vaga's and ishtars, that never actually get to shoot anything because they cant catch each other. I do notice the increasing populairity of nano fits, i also notice the increasing ammount of nubs on my killboard that get raped in their nano ships because they believe the majority of noobs in threads like these about it being uber hard to catch nano ships.
Drasked North Face Force	Posted - 2007.10.30 12:38:00 - [11] Originally by: d026 Originally by: Baleur Dude, there are counters for ships going that fast.. Its called Stasis Webifiers. Enjoy your newfound knowledge! ohh no.. why didnt i think about this. and how am i supposed to get into webrange? By moving?
Drasked North Face Force	Posted - 2007.10.30 12:51:00 - [12] Edited by: Drasked on 30/10/2007 12:55:57 Originally by: Semkhet Originally by: d026 Originally by: Baleur Dude, there are counters for ships going that fast.. Its called Stasis Webifiers. Enjoy your newfound knowledge! ohh no.. why didnt i think about this. and how am i supposed to get into webrange? If you don't fit a speed setup and you refer to 1vs1, you are NOT supposed to get into web range YOURSELF, but instead oblige your opponent to enter said range by damping or track disrupting. But don't come whining on boards again if your opponent got a brain and leaves the battlefield after seeing that he can't fight on his own terms. Do you ignore that the first rule to win is to know when NOT to fight ? QFT, ships should not be balanced for 1on1 fights, this is a mmo, make a plan, get a friend and kill that nano guy. (this is directed at d026) Stop repeating how hard or impossible this is, ITS NOT. Since i am perfectly able to kill nano ships and you just cant seem to figure out how to, it just looks to me like your a newb at pvp.
Drasked North Face Force	Posted - 2007.10.30 12:57:00 - [13] Originally by: d026 Edited by: d026 on 30/10/2007 12:52:22 Originally by: Drasked QFT, ships should not be balanced for 1on1 fights, this is a mmo, make a plan, get a friend and kill that nano guy. then remove the vagas excellent soloability to.. its a mmo remember? Since when can a vaga solo kill something?
Drasked North Face Force	Posted - 2007.10.30 13:00:00 - [14] Originally by: d026 Originally by: Drasked Originally by: d026 Edited by: d026 on 30/10/2007 12:52:22 Originally by: Drasked QFT, ships should not be balanced for 1on1 fights, this is a mmo, make a plan, get a friend and kill that nano guy. then remove the vagas excellent soloability to.. its a mmo remember? Since when can a vaga solo kill something? since the day the were introduced? !!!EPIC FAILURE ALERT!!!EPIC FAILURE ALERT!!! If a ship of the same size or bigger gets solod by a vagabond your comitting the act of COMPLETE FAILURE. !!!EPIC FAILURE ALERT!!!EPIC FAILURE ALERT!!!
Drasked North Face Force	Posted - 2007.10.30 13:33:00 - [15] Originally by: d026 Edited by: d026 on 30/10/2007 13:24:01 Originally by: Kagura Nikon Originally by: d026 Originally by: Phocas Lebournes OP, not every ship can by default win against any other ship on its own. Rapier or Huginn is your best friend against a vagabond. every ship can beat the opposites setup somehow. except none can win against a vaga without webbing/scrambling support except another faster vaga.. oo and no ship can ever win against a tank ship except if setup for high damage.. your point? What you want next? that a covert ops frigate can kill a tempest? see counter to tank gank or neuts. all those result in the destruction of the tanked ships. none of the counters to speedfits you keep mentioning result in the destruction of the vaga. 1 huginn results in the easy destruction of a vagabond, other tactics result in a good chance to destruct the vagabond with ease.
Drasked North Face Force	Posted - 2007.10.30 13:49:00 - [16] Originally by: d026 but thats not the issue. if i have to bring a huggin to nail you down ffs you have to bring a ceptor to nail me down. its not acepptable that you can fly solo and have all the benefits and i have to bring a smal gang to evetually counter you. Look, a vaga can not solo something of the same class or bigger. Bringing a huginn to the table result in a confirmed kill if you play your cards right. Besides that there is a multitude of other tricks to catch them wich im not going to share with you. A solo vagabond can not pose a thread to you, unless your caught with your pants down, in wich case you need to die. Also i dont see what your problem is with vagabonds, there are some other ships wich are a lot more dangerous then a vagabond when set up for speed, a solo vagabond fit for speed is one of the lowest dangers on my list.

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