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Gamesguy Amarr D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.10.29 21:44:00 - [1] Originally by: d026 Originally by: Drasked Guys, you bring your normal gang + 1 huginn wich is nanod or tanked and now the opposing team can't do jack.. I just dont see the problem when the counter is so simple, 1 huginn. to kill a deimos with fit a i use fit b on my muninn. to kill a sacrilege with fit c i use fit d on my deimos. to kill a vagabond in a sacrilege i need a huginn/rapier. dont this strike you odd? And to kill a rook you use....what? Your muninn and 4 buddies? OMG nerf ecm, clearly OP because I cant solo it with just any ship. signature removed - please email us to find out why (include a link to the image URL) - Jacques([email protected])
Gamesguy Amarr D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.10.29 21:50:00 - [2] Originally by: d026 heavy neuts: dont kill him (warps off) Only to find out the battleship also happened to carry a domi scram that just overheated to 36km. Quote: overheated webs: vaga does not need to overload his modules either.. Overheating is a TOOL, thats like saying drakes dont need to fit a shield booster and can passive tank is imba because I do on my maelstrom. Really makes a lot of sense. Quote: piloting skill: only works if you are fast aswell (thus another vaga) Try formation flying instead of lock primary f1-f8. Quote: interceptors: vaga does not have to relay on a interceptor either. And the vaga needs gangmates to break anything remotely tanked. I guess battleships are imba cause they dont need another gangmate to do omgwtfdps. Quote: remote tanking/logistics: does not kill the vaga (warps off) You put the remote rep on the huginn. Quote: co-ordinated flying: imbalanced because you need at least 2 to kill 1. I guess then every force recon is imba(you need 2 to kill 1), and ecm is imba, I'd like to see you solo a scorpion or a rook/falcon, or an arazu, lachesis.... get my point? You forgot one, overheated faction webs, webs out to 20km, pretty ******* useful, you only need to be moderately fast. Vaga orbitting you at 17km? Mwd towards him and hit the web, he will NOT be able to get away. signature removed - please email us to find out why (include a link to the image URL) - Jacques([email protected])
Gamesguy Amarr D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.10.29 21:55:00 - [3] Originally by: d026 Edited by: d026 on 29/10/2007 21:47:11 Originally by: Gamesguy Originally by: d026 Originally by: Drasked Guys, you bring your normal gang + 1 huginn wich is nanod or tanked and now the opposing team can't do jack.. I just dont see the problem when the counter is so simple, 1 huginn. to kill a deimos with fit a i use fit b on my muninn. to kill a sacrilege with fit c i use fit d on my deimos. to kill a vagabond in a sacrilege i need a huginn/rapier. dont this strike you odd? And to kill a rook you use....what? Your muninn and 4 buddies? OMG nerf ecm, clearly OP because I cant solo it with just any ship. eccm and shred it to pieces. and in fact eccm works at every range quit like webs no? WRONG. Lets say you fit 2 ECCM(the most paranoid setup ever that gimps u against everything else), you can kick a muninn's sensor str to 50. On a rook you have around 13.5 jam str/racial, with just 3 racials the rook has a a 62% chance to jam you, more if he wants to toss more racials on or had some multispecs. signature removed - please email us to find out why (include a link to the image URL) - Jacques([email protected])
Gamesguy Amarr D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.10.29 22:08:00 - [4] Originally by: d026 nonesns to balance the game arround faction items. faction should give you an edge and should never be mandatory. Ok, then in this debate from now you are forbidden from talking about 10km vagas, since those requires snakes/faction mods. Quote: same as fatcion gives you an edge but should not be mandatory. Says who? Anybody can overheat if they have the skill for it. Quote: to kill my eagle the vaga also should be forced to bring a full wing of hugins and arazus Rook, solo it with a hac, just try. And you can solo a vaga with many ships. Nano-huginn, or another hac with a faction web that surprised it. I've seen a macheriel solo a vaga that didnt realize it had a faction web. Overheated to 20km, got webbed and neuted instantly, dead vaga. Quote: fit gyrostabs if you are not happy with your dps. Please show me how I can get 1300dps on a vaga. Nerf blasterthrons plz. Quote: Does the vaga need a Huginn to kill anything? Huginn can solo a vaga. Quote: you dont need 2 to kill a force recon. Please show me how you would solo a rook. signature removed - please email us to find out why (include a link to the image URL) - Jacques([email protected])
Gamesguy Amarr D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.10.29 22:10:00 - [5] Originally by: d026 thats not the point. if you really want, fit a whole rack of eccm and you can kill it. You can? I wasnt aware you can kill anything with no warp disruptor. Quote: but howsoever i fit my my rook i will never be able to beat the vaga if he does not make a ugly mistake. its not about if i can fit my ship and kill a vaga everytime. its just taht there must be a setup for every other hac that can handle a vaga and KILL it no matter how impractical this setup is in any other situation. there should be only TII involved, faction should not be mandatory. You still havent proven how you can kill a rook yet, lets start with that first before you get ahead of yourself. signature removed - please email us to find out why (include a link to the image URL) - Jacques([email protected])
Gamesguy Amarr D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.10.29 22:31:00 - [6] Originally by: d026 from now on if we have a balancing question we always include the 15 whatever % overheat. 30% actually, and you only need it for 1 or 2 cycles to get into normal web range, at which point you can turn it off. Quote: faction again + overheat. So? You can get a db web for the price of 2 poly rigs... Quote: yeah i usualy try to solo blastertrons in my cerb to.. I know, NERF cause you cant solo it! Quote: But to kill a lets say Deimos does the Vaga need a Hugin? There is no way a vaga can kill a deimos unless the deimos is ratting. It can simply wait out the agro timer and dock/jump. Quote: i never tryed, im sure oyu can come up with a nasty setup. use ecm drones, damps and lots of eccm. Vague handwavium. Give me a setup or stfu. Damps and lots of eccm? What ship are you flying that has so many mids? You mentioned the muninn and the deimos, those have THREE mids. Thats 1 eccm, 1 mwd, and 1 disruptor, thats assuming you dont use a web. Quote: But again. I dont understand why you oppose a module that could add some fun to your boring nanolife making fights les predictable.. Ahh yea i know why.. because suddenyl you could die! Yes because fighting 5 vs 15 is very borig indeed. signature removed - please email us to find out why (include a link to the image URL) - Jacques([email protected])
Gamesguy Amarr D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.10.29 23:17:00 - [7] Originally by: d026 Quote: Vague handwavium. Give me a setup or stfu. Damps and lots of eccm? What ship are you flying that has so many mids? You mentioned the muninn and the deimos, those have THREE mids. Thats 1 eccm, 1 mwd, and 1 disruptor, thats assuming you dont use a web. i agree seems quite difficult to put a setup togetter that works 100%. on the other hand how many soloing rooks do you see compared to vagas? So you conceed the argument. Thank you. Now should we nerf rooks because according to you anything you cant solo with the right fit should be nerfed? signature removed - please email us to find out why (include a link to the image URL) - Jacques([email protected])
Gamesguy Amarr D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.10.30 00:16:00 - [8] Originally by: d026 Edited by: d026 on 29/10/2007 23:55:35 Quote: So you conceed the argument. Thank you. Now should we nerf rooks because according to you anything you cant solo with the right fit should be nerfed? but you compare differen ship classes to each other. how hard is it for a frig to kill a titan? it seems all hacs are nicely ballanced arround each other. cerb > deimos if fit x,y but deimos > cerb if fit z,x. etc blabla.. but not the vaga. vaga uses fit x and is sucessful 100% of the time (except hes lagging and desyncd) Yes the difference between a recon and a hac is like the difference between a frig and a titan. Both are t2 cruisers. signature removed - please email us to find out why (include a link to the image URL) - Jacques([email protected])

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