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Joshua Mendle Gallente The Bewlay Bros. Inc	Posted - 2007.10.29 12:49:00 - [1] Don't know if this would work as I have little knowledge of macros. How about having a security phrase you have to enter at an interval in game that macros will not be able to read. Have a count down to let genuine players know that its coming. Any macroer would be forced to come back every hour or so (or however long the interval was) to enter the security code. Does anyone think this is a viable idea? Can you improve it?
Iracham Gallente	Posted - 2007.10.29 12:54:00 - [2] I think it sounds obnoxious as hell to everybody.
Tyrunedeth	Posted - 2007.10.29 13:00:00 - [3] pure genius imo
Mister Xerox	Posted - 2007.10.29 13:04:00 - [4] There is only one effective way to bring macros to a crawl (nothing will ever halt them) - Make NPC corps war-declarable. This will cut the number of empire macros/farmers by 90% easily, forcing them to juggle corporations on an hourly basis to stay alive. Force the war flag to carry over per individual in a corp being declared to prevent constant corp jumping. Also: Remove cloaks from ships that are not intended to use them, make ships remain in space for 5 minutes before disappearing. Scramming said ship should force it to remain until no longer scrambled or dies. Implement aggressive client-side scanning of computers to detect the input of macro programs (yes, SPYWARE!). Only by use of invasive technology will ever truly eliminate macro use.
Gner Dechast Gallente Flashman Services	Posted - 2007.10.29 13:26:00 - [5] I also had an idea once.. that all cloaking devices uncloak after set time of total inactivity at client (be it 10, 15 or whatever-minutes). Funky! I thought... But I let the idea float around, and it took only a small while till I realized that it's quite simple to have a macro to do pointless activities with the client until local empties, by which time it either warns the farmer that it's time to come back to grid - or more complex marco shifting to NPC'ing again... So, in the end, it would have not hurt the people I intented it for after all. Just like your idea - in all likelyhood it will be somehow circumventable by a macro after all, and would not hit the people you intent it to hit (but it would hit like a wet sock against the face for us real players). I still endorse all thought given to possible ways to gimp farmers
Snake Doctor MacroIntel United Corporations Against Macros	Posted - 2007.10.29 13:32:00 - [6] Originally by: Mister Xerox There is only one effective way to bring macros to a crawl (nothing will ever halt them) - Make NPC corps war-declarable. This will cut the number of empire macros/farmers by 90% easily, forcing them to juggle corporations on an hourly basis to stay alive. Force the war flag to carry over per individual in a corp being declared to prevent constant corp jumping. Also: Remove cloaks from ships that are not intended to use them, make ships remain in space for 5 minutes before disappearing. Scramming said ship should force it to remain until no longer scrambled or dies. Implement aggressive client-side scanning of computers to detect the input of macro programs (yes, SPYWARE!). Only by use of invasive technology will ever truly eliminate macro use. No-thats abusable in the worst way possible. This opens up the ability to take pot shots at noobs. This isn't a deathmatch game. Noobcorps will never change. No-That's stupid. Sorry. Cloaking is FINE and I (along with a large group of other players) really don't want it to change. And NO- Spyware = Useless/will make players leave. What the community just CAN NOT MANAGE to understand is that macro use is NOT the problem, ISK farmers (actual people in gaming sweatshops) are. Automated mining accounts for maybe 10% of the problem as a whole and are NOT AS COMMON as people believe. Spyware would find nothing anyway, since the programs used are just made with standard macros that you'd use for everyday tasks. Published macro programs DO NOT WORK and steal your account information. (I won't get any further into it than that) And to the OP- NO! Captcha's are only annoying and would serve to spam the hell out of the user during combat or any other task. I had an awful experience of a petition window opening and taking focus during a fight. I hate having to verify that I'm human when using teh internets, why would I want to do it in Eve?? Join Macrointel!
Snake Doctor MacroIntel United Corporations Against Macros	Posted - 2007.10.29 13:37:00 - [7] Originally by: Gner Dechast I also had an idea once.. that all cloaking devices uncloak after set time of total inactivity at client (be it 10, 15 or whatever-minutes). Funky! I thought... But I let the idea float around, and it took only a small while till I realized that it's quite simple to have a macro to do pointless activities with the client until local empties, by which time it either warns the farmer that it's time to come back to grid - or more complex marco shifting to NPC'ing again... So, in the end, it would have not hurt the people I intented it for after all. Just like your idea - in all likelyhood it will be somehow circumventable by a macro after all, and would not hit the people you intent it to hit (but it would hit like a wet sock against the face for us real players). I still endorse all thought given to possible ways to gimp farmers :( another misconception about macros. There is no such thing as a macro that does anything other than repeat your actions. There are NO BOTS FOR EVE as the program will NOT provide hooks to such programs. Again, you're talking about PEOPLE (or PERSONS). Please come to the macrointel channel with these concerns. Also- Do a search on eve-search for "macro" and you'll find a dearth of information on the subject. Join Macrointel!
Death Spirit Caldari East to West Galactic Vaccaei Imperial	Posted - 2007.10.29 13:38:00 - [8] lol just use a cheat prevention program like hack shield/ game guard checks for hooks,etc.. (and will not let game open if it finds them) problem solved. i dont see a AH system for this game (no icons stating that atleast) i mean you may not be able to multi shoot something (ur ship becoming a super machine gun),etc.. but still just using key calls,etc.. is bad due to this game uses a market system and the ONLY way other than getting a lucky drop id to get stuff is by market. ----------------------- Eve rules! V(^_^)V ----------------------- Free Website Hosting. Click Here I Run The Hosting So Please Don't Remove This From My
Tarminic Forsaken Resistance	Posted - 2007.10.29 13:46:00 - [9] This wouldn't be epecially effective unless it was more than once every minute or so - usually macroers run several accounts on one computer, glancing at each every couple of minutes. This wouldn't stop them, but it would make it more of a pain and limit the number of computers they could use at once. The question is, is this fair to normal miners? ---------------- Tarminic - 29 Million SP in Forum Warfare Wrangler on Whining
Madla Mafia The Dead Man's Hand	Posted - 2007.10.29 13:54:00 - [10] No. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Amarr - getting screwed since 2005.

Snake Doctor MacroIntel United Corporations Against Macros	Posted - 2007.10.29 14:19:00 - [11] Originally by: Tarminic This wouldn't be epecially effective unless it was more than once every minute or so - usually macroers run several accounts on one computer, glancing at each every couple of minutes. This wouldn't stop them, but it would make it more of a pain and limit the number of computers they could use at once. The question is, is this fair to normal miners? Well- You could have all mining beams turn off after a random number of cycles, but that's pretty lame too. Join Macrointel!
Caffeine Junkie Caldari The Ministry Of Funny Walks	Posted - 2007.10.29 16:12:00 - [12] Prevent direct ISK transfers between players outside your corp / alliance happening more than once in every 24 hours. If you can't sell the ISK easily, whats the point in macroing to generate it?
Dr Paithos Minmatar Republic Deep Space Institute	Posted - 2007.10.29 16:15:00 - [13] Just get rid of ice and ice mining and replace it with a pos module outside shields that accumulates ice products in ice belt systems. Oh and npc aggro and probing non cov-ops cloaks. Originally by: RedFall How dare you try to argue my point with your so called "evidence". I don't need any, I have truthiness on my side.
Fswd	Posted - 2007.10.29 16:17:00 - [14] Originally by: Mister Xerox There is only one effective way to bring macros to a crawl (nothing will ever halt them) - Make NPC corps war-declarable. This will cut the number of empire macros/farmers by 90% easily, forcing them to juggle corporations on an hourly basis to stay alive. Force the war flag to carry over per individual in a corp being declared to prevent constant corp jumping. Also: Remove cloaks from ships that are not intended to use them, make ships remain in space for 5 minutes before disappearing. Scramming said ship should force it to remain until no longer scrambled or dies. Implement aggressive client-side scanning of computers to detect the input of macro programs (yes, SPYWARE!). Only by use of invasive technology will ever truly eliminate macro use. That will make eve-gankbearoneasymode --- *signature removed - please email us to find out why (include a link) - Jacques([email protected])
Caffeine Junkie Caldari The Ministry Of Funny Walks	Posted - 2007.10.29 16:23:00 - [15] Originally by: Mister Xerox There is only one effective way to bring macros to a crawl (nothing will ever halt them) - Make NPC corps war-declarable. This will cut the number of empire macros/farmers by 90% easily, forcing them to juggle corporations on an hourly basis to stay alive. Force the war flag to carry over per individual in a corp being declared to prevent constant corp jumping. Also: Remove cloaks from ships that are not intended to use them, make ships remain in space for 5 minutes before disappearing. Scramming said ship should force it to remain until no longer scrambled or dies. Implement aggressive client-side scanning of computers to detect the input of macro programs (yes, SPYWARE!). Only by use of invasive technology will ever truly eliminate macro use. War-dec SWA and sit 150k off Kisogo - SWA Station, instapopping Ibis and frigs is all that will come of this. Limit the ships you can use while in a noob corp (no freighters, barges, exhumers, transport ships, battleships, bc, T2 anything) might help though.
Queen Killerz	Posted - 2007.10.29 16:26:00 - [16] Kill the people who whine =ANOTHER RANT!=
Asteroid Bandit	Posted - 2007.10.29 16:26:00 - [17] I know, introduce asteroids that do damage and provide worthless ore.... wait a minute... never mind.
Danzig256k Caldari Mortal Devastating Kin	Posted - 2007.10.29 16:39:00 - [18] Originally by: Mister Xerox There is only one effective way to bring macros to a crawl (nothing will ever halt them) - Make NPC corps war-declarable. This will cut the number of empire macros/farmers by 90% easily, forcing them to juggle corporations on an hourly basis to stay alive. Force the war flag to carry over per individual in a corp being declared to prevent constant corp jumping. Also: Remove cloaks from ships that are not intended to use them, make ships remain in space for 5 minutes before disappearing. Scramming said ship should force it to remain until no longer scrambled or dies. Implement aggressive client-side scanning of computers to detect the input of macro programs (yes, SPYWARE!). Only by use of invasive technology will ever truly eliminate macro use. that would be cool for dealing with macro's or griefer's, but ya know that'll get exploited by the uber leet wannabe's. maybe if they work in something like a killright that would lessen the chance of needless bloodshed if they enabled war dec'ing noob corps. maybe even work in something like punkbuster that is geared to look for such 3rd party apps?
MR CAPSLOCK	Posted - 2007.10.29 16:43:00 - [19] MOST ISK FARMERS ARE REAL PEOPLE. THEY WORK 23/7. AMAZING IDEA LOLOLLOOLOLOLO
Tutomech	Posted - 2007.10.29 16:43:00 - [20] How about simply making game less predictable and a bit more challenging? Graduating from NPC corp at 2 mil SP sounds like a good idea. After that every1 would be jetted into their personal corp... -- signature --- Bah. Signatures suck.

Laura Steel The Chaotic Order Fallout Project	Posted - 2007.10.29 16:46:00 - [21] Being forced to leave the noob corp after getting the battleship or exhumer skill? To a wardecable npc corp if needed. ----
Caffeine Junkie Caldari The Ministry Of Funny Walks	Posted - 2007.10.29 16:46:00 - [22] You could make it so 'roids in belts move and you have to constantly move your ship to remain in alignment, better still make them all move in different direction and damage you when the crash into you.
Sarah McTeef	Posted - 2007.10.29 16:49:00 - [23] This thread delivers.... ...piles and piles of fail.
Snake Doctor MacroIntel United Corporations Against Macros	Posted - 2007.10.29 17:06:00 - [24] Originally by: MR CAPSLOCK MOST ISK FARMERS ARE REAL PEOPLE. THEY WORK 23/7. AMAZING IDEA LOLOLLOOLOLOLO /fail You joke, but it's actually true. Join Macrointel!
Snake Doctor MacroIntel United Corporations Against Macros	Posted - 2007.10.29 17:10:00 - [25] Originally by: Sarah McTeef This thread delivers.... ...piles and piles of fail. I know. It's heartbreaking. I tried to help. But there is no helping. There is no spoon. NO SPOON. Join Macrointel!
Fink Angel Caldari The Merry Men	Posted - 2007.10.29 17:19:00 - [26] You know those Internet obfuscated bits of text you have to type in to register on forums etc. sometimes? Well, computers can't read them and neither can I 90% of the time! Remember most macros aren't "true" macros anyway, but they are intense farmers looking after a ton of PCs each, and they could just adapt.
Madelchai Gallente Stimulus	Posted - 2007.10.29 17:24:00 - [27] "Ok, got a lock, going to start firing on the Primary!" BAM, Macro-Code. I can't see any flaws with this. ------ Revolution. The only solution.
Tarminic Forsaken Resistance	Posted - 2007.10.29 17:25:00 - [28] Originally by: Asteroid Bandit I know, introduce asteroids that do damage and provide worthless ore.... wait a minute... never mind. This ore could even be difficult to distinguish between other low-end ores so macro programs would have a hard time differentiating it! Wouldn't that be swell! ---------------- Tarminic - 29 Million SP in Forum Warfare Wrangler on Whining
Darkstarr	Posted - 2007.10.29 17:44:00 - [29] Trail Account rules should also apply to chars in NPC Corps... Can't train this skill, can't train that, can't do this, can't do that... While in an NPC Corp. I'm against any form of spyware, anti-macro sniffers, time-out windows/questions. They waist bandwidth and clock cycles and can be circumvented anyhow. As others have stated -- THERE IS NO SURE WAY TO DETECT ALL MACROs or 1 PERSON OPPERATING 20 ACCOUNTS ON MULTI INSTANCES OR COMPUTERS. Allow players to choose to stay in NooB Corps if they wish. BUT force them to deal with restrictions of gameplay. Will this idea stop ISK farmers/sellers ??? NO !! * But we players will then be enabled to. ---FAST FACT---** Exxon Mobil, the U.S.'s largest oil firm, reported annual earnings last year of $36.1 Billion, or $1146 a second, a record for any U.S. corp.
Joshua Mendle Gallente The Bewlay Bros. Inc	Posted - 2007.10.31 08:44:00 - [30] Thanks to most of you for the constructive feedback. Back to the drawing board eh. To rest; "EDIT: Sh*te idea, removed." "This thread delivers.... ...piles and piles of fail." etc..... You're childish and need to learn some manners. I was only suggesting a fix. As I mentioned earlier in OP, I know little of the way macros work. At least some people are thinking of ideas rather than wasting time flaming anyone and everyone.



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