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Trojanman190 Murder-Death-Kill	Posted - 2007.10.31 12:53:00 - [91] Hyena will stop my vagabond! Oh wait its not out yet... A dude in my corp ran the math and said he can get his hyena moving at over 9km/s. This ship is a vagabond's [or any speed tanked ship] worst nightmare. You can run from the hugin if you stay outside of 30km or 40km... the hyena will actually be able to chase you down. Another dangerous ship to nanosetups is going to be the new amar ewar frigate. Will make the vagabond's cap go away reeeaaaaallly fast. Another counter? The new stats on the interceptors mean they can run with a vagabond permanently. Right now if I'm tackled by a rigged crow [ie hes faster than me] i can just burn my mwd and wait for his mwd or his point to give out, most inty pilots cant run both permanently. That will be pretty much gone in the new patch. CCP is putting lots of stuff INTO the game to hit nanoships hard instead of just nerfing nano ships. This is how it SHOULD be done. Don't nerf something, make sure its counter works properly, and if it duznt, boost it or add something thats better.
Kagura Nikon Minmatar MASS HOMICIDE Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.10.31 13:02:00 - [92] Originally by: Aya Otosaki Originally by: Kagura Nikon Originally by: Aya Otosaki tri 1 aaa 1 outbreak 2, second by sabre another balanced ship rzr 3, fleet mega 1 and crow 2. all this says to me at least that vaga is awesome and more balanced than most. I don't fly with tri, but i fly with AAA, and if you saw the HUGE ammount of vagabonds they use in LARGE groups, you would see why of that. ANY other hac if used on same numbers would end on their top 3. Its not a matter of being overpowered, its a matteroof taste, its a fun ship to fly and they like to fly this style of ships, FUN ships. Not boring sit f1-f7 dotn even bother with your apssive tank, style of combat. Yup hard core gamers use fun ships. fun = winning. if Fun was equal to winnign then they would all be on Motherships. No Fun is fun. Fun might be winnign for some, but its not for others. Winning ina passive tankled ship with missiles is not fun for me, If brute force doesn't solve your problem... you are not using enough
Aya Otosaki	Posted - 2007.10.31 13:15:00 - [93] Originally by: Kagura Nikon Originally by: Aya Otosaki Originally by: Kagura Nikon Originally by: Aya Otosaki tri 1 aaa 1 outbreak 2, second by sabre another balanced ship rzr 3, fleet mega 1 and crow 2. all this says to me at least that vaga is awesome and more balanced than most. I don't fly with tri, but i fly with AAA, and if you saw the HUGE ammount of vagabonds they use in LARGE groups, you would see why of that. ANY other hac if used on same numbers would end on their top 3. Its not a matter of being overpowered, its a matteroof taste, its a fun ship to fly and they like to fly this style of ships, FUN ships. Not boring sit f1-f7 dotn even bother with your apssive tank, style of combat. Yup hard core gamers use fun ships. fun = winning. if Fun was equal to winnign then they would all be on Motherships. No Fun is fun. Fun might be winnign for some, but its not for others. Winning ina passive tankled ship with missiles is not fun for me, yes your right, its just all a huge coincident that so many people have a taste for the same ship. people are so complicated and different and all that. And here i thought that people in the upper echelons were motivated by winning when they were motivated not by winning at all but by having fun, which is a completely different thing, as your mothership example pointed quite clearly out. I think the problem i have is that as a long time hard core gamer i tend to judge the people that i play with out from my self, which is just naive and wrong. Fun is fun after all. ----- Ignorance is my strength.
Aziz Hekato Vitai Lampada	Posted - 2007.10.31 13:20:00 - [94] Originally by: Hermosa Diosas Edited by: Hermosa Diosas on 29/10/2007 22:17:57 5000km + what can you do? you cant web or scram, hitting them is difficult as they too fast or get out of any range quicker than blinking an eye. So whats the answer? Large neut. Cant MWD without cap now can he? _____________ Entering the Intergalactic Summit forum is like walking into a Startrek convention; All you see are a bunch of nerds and you go "WTF?"
Kagura Nikon Minmatar MASS HOMICIDE Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.10.31 14:24:00 - [95] Originally by: Aya Otosaki Originally by: Kagura Nikon Originally by: Aya Otosaki Originally by: Kagura Nikon Originally by: Aya Otosaki tri 1 aaa 1 outbreak 2, second by sabre another balanced ship rzr 3, fleet mega 1 and crow 2. all this says to me at least that vaga is awesome and more balanced than most. I don't fly with tri, but i fly with AAA, and if you saw the HUGE ammount of vagabonds they use in LARGE groups, you would see why of that. ANY other hac if used on same numbers would end on their top 3. Its not a matter of being overpowered, its a matteroof taste, its a fun ship to fly and they like to fly this style of ships, FUN ships. Not boring sit f1-f7 dotn even bother with your apssive tank, style of combat. Yup hard core gamers use fun ships. fun = winning. if Fun was equal to winnign then they would all be on Motherships. No Fun is fun. Fun might be winnign for some, but its not for others. Winning ina passive tankled ship with missiles is not fun for me, yes your right, its just all a huge coincident that so many people have a taste for the same ship. people are so complicated and different and all that. And here i thought that people in the upper echelons were motivated by winning when they were motivated not by winning at all but by having fun, which is a completely different thing, as your mothership example pointed quite clearly out. I think the problem i have is that as a long time hard core gamer i tend to judge the people that i play with out from my self, which is just naive and wrong. Fun is fun after all. Did you ever asked why there is more people that fly interceptors tahn battleships in pvp? 9 in 10 wil say its because they are more FUN, even though they are WEAKER than a BS. Its natural taht people like to fly ships that need more player iteraction and some skill to fly, its more rewarding. Only lazy people would prefer other ships. The fact is, minmatar is more fun! If brute force doesn't solve your problem... you are not using enough
Aya Otosaki	Posted - 2007.10.31 14:57:00 - [96] Edited by: Aya Otosaki on 31/10/2007 15:04:31 Edited by: Aya Otosaki on 31/10/2007 14:58:22 this fun thing boils down to high survivability. bs's need gangs. nanos are fun, minmatar have many fun ships, i love snakes. all im saying is that i think speed gives to much survivability compered to other options. ----- Ignorance is my strength.
Dianeces Minmatar Repo Industries	Posted - 2007.10.31 15:01:00 - [97] Pro tip: you won't ever kill a Vaga by whining on the forums. Quote: Cristobalus DeMora > so what do the forums say? Jaleean Atheria > smack smack smack flame smack flame smack smack flame alt post flame flame flame smack flame click
Aya Otosaki	Posted - 2007.10.31 15:12:00 - [98] Originally by: Dianeces Pro tip: you won't ever kill a Vaga by whining on the forums. lol being in repo industries doesnt seem to help either. ----- Ignorance is my strength.
Kagura Nikon Minmatar MASS HOMICIDE Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.10.31 15:17:00 - [99] Here you are complainign about the vagabond, not generic speed. I aprove the reduction of general speed, butnot the focused nerf on teh vagabond one of teh few ships that are meant to go fast. I personnally would remove snake implants form game and replace their bonus with something as "sgnature resolution" bonus. If brute force doesn't solve your problem... you are not using enough
Ipos	Posted - 2007.10.31 16:07:00 - [100] Originally by: Dianeces Pro tip: you won't ever kill a Vaga by whining on the forums. History begs to differ.
Dianeces Minmatar Repo Industries	Posted - 2007.10.31 16:38:00 - [101] Originally by: Aya Otosaki Originally by: Dianeces Pro tip: you won't ever kill a Vaga by whining on the forums. lol being in repo industries doesnt seem to help either. How does my corp have anything to do with the matter at hand? Quote: Cristobalus DeMora > so what do the forums say? Jaleean Atheria > smack smack smack flame smack flame smack smack flame alt post flame flame flame smack flame click
welsh wizard Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency	Posted - 2007.10.31 17:11:00 - [102] Originally by: Trojanman190 Hyena will stop my vagabond! Oh wait its not out yet... A dude in my corp ran the math and said he can get his hyena moving at over 9km/s. This ship is a vagabond's [or any speed tanked ship] worst nightmare. You can run from the hugin if you stay outside of 30km or 40km... the hyena will actually be able to chase you down. Another dangerous ship to nanosetups is going to be the new amar ewar frigate. Will make the vagabond's cap go away reeeaaaaallly fast. Another counter? The new stats on the interceptors mean they can run with a vagabond permanently. Right now if I'm tackled by a rigged crow [ie hes faster than me] i can just burn my mwd and wait for his mwd or his point to give out, most inty pilots cant run both permanently. That will be pretty much gone in the new patch. CCP is putting lots of stuff INTO the game to hit nanoships hard instead of just nerfing nano ships. This is how it SHOULD be done. Don't nerf something, make sure its counter works properly, and if it duznt, boost it or add something thats better. Hyena looks nice. Won't last 10 seconds in a Vagas falloff though. It'll certainly give vagas something more to think about though. [Balance] The Caldari problem.
sakana North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2007.10.31 17:19:00 - [103] Heavy neuts and an mwd/web.
WowZilla The Leeroy Jenkins Project	Posted - 2007.10.31 17:41:00 - [104] Edited by: WowZilla on 31/10/2007 17:43:09 I remember the days when this section of the forum was like, you know, for ship setups and stuff. Vaga hasnt changed at all since then, in fact its a little slower, but also a little more popular. Now the 1st page is half full of nerf this and nerf that. So really, what i'm trying to say is in as polite as way as possible that you whiners deserve........... **** off with the nerf whines, leave this great game alone and let CCP sort it out themselves. Clueless, stubborn people shouldnt not be listened to and deserve no opinion. edit: for additional insults ____________________ I am the worst poster
Kagura Nikon Minmatar MASS HOMICIDE Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.10.31 17:45:00 - [105] Originally by: WowZilla Edited by: WowZilla on 31/10/2007 17:43:09 I remember the days when this section of the forum was like, you know, for ship setups and stuff. Vaga hasnt changed at all since then, in fact its a little slower, but also a little more popular. Now the 1st page is half full of nerf this and nerf that. So really, what i'm trying to say is in as polite as way as possible that you whiners deserve........... **** off with the nerf whines, leave this great game alone and let CCP sort it out themselves. Clueless, stubborn people shouldnt not be listened to and deserve no opinion. edit: for additional insults Agree people must focus less on nerfing what they dont like and more on asking and SUGGESTING inteligent boosts to game mechanics and broken ships. Obvious exceptiosn are things like titans were. If brute force doesn't solve your problem... you are not using enough
Semkhet KR0M The Red Skull	Posted - 2007.10.31 18:00:00 - [106] Originally by: LUKEC Edited by: LUKEC on 29/10/2007 18:55:06 Originally by: Annowyn Overheated faction web? Once ya get in range they die fast. Yeah right. Domination web will slow down rigged vaga without any expensive implants to 600m/s in like ... 30s. Plenty of time for him to say goodbye, i'll go gank someone else. Oh wait 2 domination webs? And 30km scrambler and 30km neut and sensor booster and ... Yeah, you just don't bother with them in the end. And to masterminds with huginn/rapier stuff, vaga will either burn back to gate or decide not to come close. But that's not winning just yet. Rapiers can use some strange mod called "Cov Ops Cloak II" allowing them not to scream in the whole system "I'am here in a pwnzr rapier", and I've even heard that they can fit more than a single web...
Lord Zoran Caldari House of Tempers	Posted - 2007.10.31 18:59:00 - [107] nanophoon with neuts and web drones......... --------------------------------------------- no sig for you !!! Yarr!?!?!?!?!
Ione Hunt 0utbreak	Posted - 2007.10.31 19:42:00 - [108] Rapier does it easily...infact, a well setup rapier can do it without even taking damage _______________
Satura Caldari Mucho Dolor The Insomniacs	Posted - 2007.10.31 21:34:00 - [109] Edited by: Satura on 31/10/2007 21:39:38 Edited by: Satura on 31/10/2007 21:36:00 Warp to a belt or something, maybe he bites it, and you will see him right next to you. ^^ That's how i killed a vaga with a hurricane. Just make sure you have fleeting web or t2. Most competent pilots won't warp to 0 though, but is worth a try if you are in something that can kill the thing fast. Other than that, you have all you need in this thread. Many, many ways to kill (or at least scare) a vagabond IF you are prepared, or outsmart the guy. edit: if you are expecting to do it in a ratting ship (lol), or some crazy traveling setup though...forget it. edit: Quote: and i would not call +400 dps inferior. Gg, i am reading the thread before posting, shame on me. Dude, that dps is IF the ship is standing still and you have no tank. :)) Try again plx.
Vehestian Killson Corp Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.11.03 11:18:00 - [110] Originally by: WowZilla LOL at all the whining n00bs moaning about the vaga. Seriously, if you cant figure out why its not overpowered, why it is actually a very BALANCED ship and how all HACS have their own roles then you really have no grasp of this game at all. You therefore fail at eve. GAMEOVER4U They aren't interceptors, they're cruisers ffs. That's the problem. And by the way...Fail at EVE? Me? Constantly.. If you get everything right all the time, then you aren't playing the same game. We who are about to lag salut you! 0/
Zanarkand Gallente Enterprise Estonia Cult of War	Posted - 2007.11.03 11:33:00 - [111] Edited by: Zanarkand on 03/11/2007 11:33:13 Polycarbon penalty: -15% shield and add 10-15% mass to vagabond. <- In my opinion this would be ok as a nerf, nothing too drastic, but good enough...
Kagura Nikon Minmatar MASS HOMICIDE Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.11.03 11:43:00 - [112] For the last time.. VAGABOND is NOT overpoweredly fast! Fit a T2 vagabond with no snakes and see the speed it reaches. If you cannto deal weith that you are a worthless pilot. Th eproblem is SNAKES and GIsty stuff is WAYYYY overpowered. On ANY SHIP!!! If brute force doesn't solve your problem... you are not using enough

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