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GhostWhoWalks Pringles Inc. STYX.	Posted - 2007.10.29 20:53:00 - [1] 2003.12.17 05:44 Please be aware that pirate spawns are far more powerful now. DO NOT under any circumstances hunt alone in Stain until you are comfortable and aware of the new mechanics. Experienced pilots have already lost ships... With the current war on we cannot afford to lose ships unwisely. Thanks. 2003.12.20 06:15 Due to the issues we have been facing in Stain since patch, we are temporarily reopening Shemah on a limited basis. We will be setting up buy orders, will accept bs ore, and have limited manufacturing. This is until we get more information on what actions, if any, CCP will take regarding the current issues such as lack of high ends in Stain and insane spawns. 2003.12.20 02:02 I wanted to drop you all a line to drive home a point I have been trying to make since the day after the patch. At last count we have lost 10 battleships to NPC spawns... To put this into perspective... Best case total ISK value of ships lost: ISK399,719,880 This is assuming everyone was in a Scorpion. It does not take into account any modules lost. The figure is realisticly going to be closer to ISK750,000,000 considering ship differences and equipment losses. Most of these losses we in situations involving 3 or more armed BSs with experienced pilots. This is serious people. It is a different game now. While we are working out a solution to the problem please be patient and do not throw your ships away. Please just stay out of Stain belts. You might as well self destruct outside the station. At least that way you can get your can... There is an HC meeting first thing in the AM. A solution will be found then. Respectfully, Sidus High Council EV Also wondering if anyone else has some old school banter that would be interesting, rather than the usual smackfest/propaganda the forums are being used for now.
Grimpak Gallente Trinity Nova KIA Alliance	Posted - 2007.10.29 20:55:00 - [2] I so remember those days when 10mil isk was considered "a good ammount of isk". --- planetary interaction idea!
Wild Rho Amarr GoonFleet	Posted - 2007.10.29 20:56:00 - [3] Those were fun times, when belt npcs could actually pose a threat.
Dahin Maza Nostra oooh Shiny	Posted - 2007.10.29 20:59:00 - [4] Oooh, I still remember the thread discussing the real introduction of tracking. I still remember people screaming "My 1400 howies can't hit a frigate orbiting? WTF?" I'd go search for it but meh...
GhostWhoWalks Pringles Inc. STYX.	Posted - 2007.10.29 21:03:00 - [5] Yea I took a break from eve due to college and lack of money come back and I could not hit a frig in my bs, I was mortified. lol. Guess I'm missing the old days. Eve seemed so much more fun then. I have been drifting from place to place since I came back. This time I'm training while I'm busy so when I get to play more again I won't cry at the sp I missed gaining.
LUKEC Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.10.29 21:04:00 - [6] Edited by: LUKEC on 29/10/2007 21:06:02 Originally by: Wild Rho Those were fun times, when belt npcs could actually pose a threat. Totally agreed. Now you can kill anything with frig :p Was fun when almost any frig was webbing and scrambling.
Sehanine Caldari Solitary Confinement	Posted - 2007.10.29 21:12:00 - [7] Brings back some memories, good or bad I haven't decided yet
Oli4Oli4 Viper Squad Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.10.29 21:24:00 - [8] Originally by: Grimpak I so remember those days when 10mil isk was considered "a good ammount of isk". It still is Grim what are you talking about
dalman Finite Horizon	Posted - 2007.10.29 21:39:00 - [9] Edited by: dalman on 29/10/2007 21:40:32 Originally by: Dahin Oooh, I still remember the thread discussing the real introduction of tracking. I still remember people screaming "My 1400 howies can't hit a frigate orbiting? WTF? That certainly was not the issue in this case. The tracking thing was half a year later. The quotes in the topic is from the Castor patch, when BS NPCs was first introduced. That was the real deal, a big difference compared to now: A typical NPC spawn in a belt could feature up to 20 NPCS along the lines of 3-4 BS, 6+ cruisers and 10 frigates. Second, BS NPC could warpscramble and web from ~35km range. And in those days, 50km was very long range (compare to like 150km today). NPC spawns were then heavily nerfed just a week or two later in the fix patch. Ahhh, the good old days. Am I forced to have any regret? I've become the lie, beautiful and free In my righteous own mind I adore and preach the insanity you gave to me
Lord Seth Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.10.30 01:45:00 - [10] First off HELLO Ghost, Second Off I must agree, I miss the rats of the good ole days. When forming a corp gang to go rat was actually fun for a few.
Mitch Taylor Dark-Rising	Posted - 2007.10.30 01:51:00 - [11] Originally by: GhostWhoWalks 2003.12.17 05:44This is assuming everyone was in a Scorpion. I know what went wrong ;) good times indeed. Mitch *signature removed - please email us to find out why (include a link) - Jacques([email protected]) www.dark-rising.co.uk
CARY Dawn of a new Empire Pure.	Posted - 2007.10.30 02:05:00 - [12] Edited by: CARY on 30/10/2007 02:05:36 Oh Yeah I remember the old Stain Days well....I was with Everlasting Vendetta and it was once a great mining region until CCP killed the fields there and we left. Stain became a Ghost Town really. Yeah i remember the BS spawn and yes 10 Mil was a goods amount of chat, but I always been a rich miner, lol. Oh yeah how well I remember the Good Old days. Omega was the bad boys, Evolution was once the good guys (BOB now), the old Curse Alliance mainly dead, as well as the Old Stain alliance. Now I look around and see a totally different EVE world from 4 years ago. Some good thing some not so good but over all the game is GREAT, CCP from day one till now, If i was to great CCP and the game of EVE..I would give you a A++, I remember when 5000 people was only that was a lot of people nit i see as high as 34,000. CCP you come alone way with EVE. I know we all b*itch about many things in the game but CCP you really get an A++, wonder what this gam will look like 4 more years from now? be Nice to see a Large OLD Guy Corp 3+ yrs....that would be sweet. Guys that started with eve with no skill points but earn them. ALL ahould avg. about 45 mil to 55 mil skill point by now. Again good job CCP CARY
Bozl1n Caldari Shiva Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2007.10.30 06:07:00 - [13] Yea twas fun back then, chain gangs and hamster balls of cans. I remember watching 1 ursurfer tear apart about 6 battleships. Warping to a belt and finding 1/2 the serpentis army piloting omgwtf fast uber raxs of death really did upset the miners. I miss that Sig returned after a victory with the appeal \o/ ;)~
Atius Tirawa Minmatar Wreckless Abandon Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.10.30 06:17:00 - [14] And Golden Fleet (a little later) was a scarry thing. Watching BBs slam into each other at close range and a punisher was a 'good' tackler frig. Its changed a lot since then. -----------
Mitch Taylor Dark-Rising	Posted - 2007.10.30 07:50:00 - [15] Originally by: CARY Edited by: CARY on 30/10/2007 02:09:39 ] Oh Yeah I remember the old Stain Days well....I was with Everlasting Vendetta and it was once a great mining region until CCP killed the fields there and we left. Stain became a Ghost Town really. Yeah i remember the BS spawn and yes 10 Mil was a goods amount of chat, but I always been a rich miner, lol. Oh yeah how well I remember the Good Old days. Omega was the bad boys, Evolution was once the good guys (BOB now), the old Curse Alliance mainly dead, as well as the Old Stain alliance. Now I look around and see a totally different EVE world from 4 years ago. Some good thing some not so good but over all the game is GREAT, CCP from day one till now, I would give EVE a A++, I remember when 5000 people was online that was a lot of people now i see as high as 34,000. CCP you come alone way with EVE. I know we all bitch about many things in the game but CCP you really get an A++, wonder what this gam will look like 4 more years from now? be Nice to see a Large OLD Guy Corp 3+ yrs....that would be sweet. Guys that started with eve with no skill points but earn them. ALL should avg. about 45 mil to 55 mil skill point by now. Again good job CCP CARY you suggesting we re-form EVER, i think you will find most of the old boys on WOW Mitch signature removed - please email us to find out why (include a link) - Jacques([email protected]) www.dark-rising.co.uk
Dezzereth Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency	Posted - 2007.10.30 07:51:00 - [16] If you haven't experienced a chaining where about a dozen people fired relentlessly at waves and waves of NPCs with cans littering the screen, so that you were barely able to see the background, you have missed out something from EVE - definitely. A slight mistake, one ship that (accidentally) ventured too close to the respawn point or an NPC that survived too long could spell doom to the chainers. I have seen it happen, more than once, and to experienced people. And that was months after Castor. Ah, yeah, and sometimes it wasn't even possible to stop the spawning without some additional "muscle". I started two weeks or so after castor hit TQ, and I heard from a lot of "vets" that they were quitting. Apparantly some things never change Also I loved the static spawns. Some of them, like the one in Miroitem, were a spectacular sight. Good days, definitely. Shield tanked Armageddon... hahaha
Sokratesz Rionnag Alba Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.10.30 08:15:00 - [17] Ah, this thread makes me feel so young /sok breaks out the legos
Asylum Seaker Quam Singulari	Posted - 2007.10.30 08:25:00 - [18] I remember when they first introduced the honor system, but before they brought in the battlegrounds.. everyone used to just gather in um what was the name of that place.. umm, fukken hillsbrad foothills yeah, and both sides would spend all day pushing each other back and forth between the mill and the harbor. Good times, good times. The universe is hostile, so impersonal, devour to survive, so it is, so it's always been.
hezie99 Caldari Interstellar eXodus R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.10.30 08:32:00 - [19] definatly good days when u could go miles into 0.0 and not see anyone, 1st time i npc'd went horribly wrong in great wildlands :P
De'Zori legion of qui Freelancer Alliance	Posted - 2007.10.30 08:34:00 - [20] Originally by: Asylum Seaker I remember when they first introduced the honor system, but before they brought in the battlegrounds.. everyone used to just gather in um what was the name of that place.. umm, fukken hillsbrad foothills yeah, and both sides would spend all day pushing each other back and forth between the mill and the harbor. Good times, good times. Wrong game man [/
Xtreem Gallente Knockaround Guys Inc.	Posted - 2007.10.30 08:37:00 - [21] I was an empire hugger for my first year of life, so my 0,0 experiance was none at this point! I do remember one sunday going OMG 8k people online tonight!!! where the norm was 3-5 and now its normal to have over 30k Oh and the old UI pics.. loverly jubbly!
CARY Dawn of a new Empire Pure.	Posted - 2007.10.30 10:11:00 - [22] Edited by: CARY on 30/10/2007 10:14:42 Originally by: Mitch Taylor Originally by: CARY Edited by: CARY on 30/10/2007 02:09:39 ] Oh Yeah I remember the old Stain Days well....I was with Everlasting Vendetta and it was once a great mining region until CCP killed the fields there and we left. Stain became a Ghost Town really. Yeah i remember the BS spawn and yes 10 Mil was a goods amount of chat, but I always been a rich miner, lol. Oh yeah how well I remember the Good Old days. Omega was the bad boys, Evolution was once the good guys (BOB now), the old Curse Alliance mainly dead, as well as the Old Stain alliance. Now I look around and see a totally different EVE world from 4 years ago. Some good thing some not so good but over all the game is GREAT, CCP from day one till now, I would give EVE a A++, I remember when 5000 people was online that was a lot of people now i see as high as 34,000. CCP you come alone way with EVE. I know we all b*itch about many things in the game but CCP you really get an A++, wonder what this gam will look like 4 more years from now? be Nice to see a Large OLD Guy Corp 3+ yrs....that would be sweet. Guys that started with eve with no skill points but earn them. ALL should avg. about 45 mil to 55 mil skill point by now. Again good job CCP CARY you suggesting we re-form EVER, i think you will find most of the old boys on WOW Mitch NO! NO!, not reform EVER, Let those guys rest in peace in WOW, some were jerks anyway, lol I was pspeaking of and old memebers of EVE that has the memeber that pretty much start out years ago. I'm sure all of us are strong and in CAP ships and can just about fly anything and mine anything.....
Jirai Grepher Creative Destruction EternalRising	Posted - 2007.10.30 10:49:00 - [23] Omega Corp will always hold a little place in my heart. The former and original Pel Mel All posts made reflect my opinion and not that of my Corp/Alliance.
Jirai Grepher Creative Destruction EternalRising	Posted - 2007.10.30 10:50:00 - [24] Originally by: CARY Edited by: CARY on 30/10/2007 10:14:42 Originally by: Mitch Taylor Originally by: CARY Edited by: CARY on 30/10/2007 02:09:39 ] Oh Yeah I remember the old Stain Days well....I was with Everlasting Vendetta and it was once a great mining region until CCP killed the fields there and we left. Stain became a Ghost Town really. Yeah i remember the BS spawn and yes 10 Mil was a goods amount of chat, but I always been a rich miner, lol. Oh yeah how well I remember the Good Old days. Omega was the bad boys, Evolution was once the good guys (BOB now), the old Curse Alliance mainly dead, as well as the Old Stain alliance. Now I look around and see a totally different EVE world from 4 years ago. Some good thing some not so good but over all the game is GREAT, CCP from day one till now, I would give EVE a A++, I remember when 5000 people was online that was a lot of people now i see as high as 34,000. CCP you come alone way with EVE. I know we all bitch about many things in the game but CCP you really get an A++, wonder what this gam will look like 4 more years from now? be Nice to see a Large OLD Guy Corp 3+ yrs....that would be sweet. Guys that started with eve with no skill points but earn them. ALL should avg. about 45 mil to 55 mil skill point by now. Again good job CCP CARY you suggesting we re-form EVER, i think you will find most of the old boys on WOW Mitch NO! NO!, not reform EVER, Let those guys rest in peace in WOW, some were jerks anyway, lol I was pspeaking of and old memebers of EVE that has the memeber that pretty much start out years ago. I'm sure all of us are strong and in CAP ships and can just about fly anything and mine anything..... only the ones that didnt sell their original accounts The former and original Pel Mel* All posts made reflect my opinion and not that of my Corp/Alliance.
Tyr Zewa Caldari MASS Ministry Of Amarrian Secret Service	Posted - 2007.10.30 11:07:00 - [25] I remember the time pre castor, when SA reallocated systems, and OC/Ota started a civil war. Then about 3 weeks later Stain lost all it's bistot. Was hilarious. On a side note, we have a thread going on our forum where someone posted 3 year old alliance chat logs :P And i remember, about 3 months ago someone linked a screenshot of the first CA vs SA blob fight in u-q that crashed the server. Btw, pre bs spawns people made isk by chaining 50k (?) cruiser rats, and they were rare and the highest bounty. The best you could find was a 4x 50k spawn..... but you could chain that in the same belt for hours, and the respawn rate would increase the quicker you killed the ships. Remember spending 2 hours in industrials and frigs to gather the loot of a chaining session? I do!
Jirai Grepher Creative Destruction EternalRising	Posted - 2007.10.30 11:15:00 - [26] lol i remember when conquerable stations first came out too. that was a hoot. most of the old folks are dissapearing. i just recently came back when i got back from deployment. Sold my original account before i left though...that sucked lol The former and original Pel Mel All posts made reflect my opinion and not that of my Corp/Alliance.
Jirai Grepher Creative Destruction EternalRising	Posted - 2007.10.30 11:16:00 - [27] Originally by: Tyr Zewa I remember the time pre castor, when SA reallocated systems, and OC/Ota started a civil war. Then about 3 weeks later Stain lost all it's bistot. Was hilarious. On a side note, we have a thread going on our forum where someone posted 3 year old alliance chat logs :P And i remember, about 3 months ago someone linked a screenshot of the first CA vs SA blob fight in u-q that crashed the server. Btw, pre bs spawns people made isk by chaining 50k (?) cruiser rats, and they were rare and the highest bounty. The best you could find was a 4x 50k spawn..... but you could chain that in the same belt for hours, and the respawn rate would increase the quicker you killed the ships. Remember spending 2 hours in industrials and frigs to gather the loot of a chaining session? I do! I remeber doing the first 10/10 Complexes...took hours to kill a single rat BS The former and original Pel Mel All posts made reflect my opinion and not that of my Corp/Alliance.
Sankaru Abu Minmatar	Posted - 2007.10.30 11:24:00 - [28] Originally by: Asylum Seaker I remember when they first introduced the honor system, but before they brought in the battlegrounds.. everyone used to just gather in um what was the name of that place.. umm, fukken hillsbrad foothills yeah, and both sides would spend all day pushing each other back and forth between the mill and the harbor. Good times, good times. I read this and started laughing so hard, I had tears in my eyes....good one. Was the last thing I expected to see reading this thread on these forums....
Jirai Grepher Creative Destruction EternalRising	Posted - 2007.10.30 11:28:00 - [29] Edited by: Jirai Grepher on 30/10/2007 11:28:13 Originally by: Sankaru Abu Originally by: Asylum Seaker I remember when they first introduced the honor system, but before they brought in the battlegrounds.. everyone used to just gather in um what was the name of that place.. umm, fukken hillsbrad foothills yeah, and both sides would spend all day pushing each other back and forth between the mill and the harbor. Good times, good times. I read this and started laughing so hard, I had tears in my eyes....good one. Was the last thing I expected to see reading this thread on these forums.... I remember trying to level as a horde mage on a pvp server during that time. I'm scarred for life The former and original Pel Mel All posts made reflect my opinion and not that of my Corp/Alliance.
Sky Grunthor Minmatar Core Element	Posted - 2007.10.30 14:29:00 - [30] Originally by: dalman Edited by: dalman on 29/10/2007 21:48:22 Originally by: Dahin Oooh, I still remember the thread discussing the real introduction of tracking. I still remember people screaming "My 1400 howies can't hit a frigate orbiting? WTF? That certainly was not the issue in this case. The tracking thing was half a year later. The quotes in the topic is from the Castor patch, when BS NPCs was first introduced. That was the real deal, a big difference compared to now: A typical NPC spawn in a belt could feature up to 20 NPCS along the lines of 3-4 BS, 6+ cruisers and 10 frigates. Second, BS NPC could warpscramble and web from ~35km range(and they had 2km/s MWDing). And in those days, 50km was very long range (compare to like 150km today). NPC spawns were then heavily nerfed just a week or two later in the fix patch. Ahhh, the good old days. That sounds so cool! could we get those back? Search: Sky Grunthor
Ashido Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.10.30 14:48:00 - [31] Originally by: CARY Evolution was once the good guys We still are the good guys I remember warping into a belt, 10 seconds later 4 frigs and 7 BS warped onto me, scrambled/webbed 30 secs later dead Ahhhh fun days hehehe
Vasq Imperial Shipment	Posted - 2007.10.30 15:14:00 - [32] Originally by: Sky Grunthor Originally by: dalman Edited by: dalman on 29/10/2007 21:48:22 Originally by: Dahin Oooh, I still remember the thread discussing the real introduction of tracking. I still remember people screaming "My 1400 howies can't hit a frigate orbiting? WTF? That certainly was not the issue in this case. The tracking thing was half a year later. The quotes in the topic is from the Castor patch, when BS NPCs was first introduced. That was the real deal, a big difference compared to now: A typical NPC spawn in a belt could feature up to 20 NPCS along the lines of 3-4 BS, 6+ cruisers and 10 frigates. Second, BS NPC could warpscramble and web from ~35km range(and they had 2km/s MWDing). And in those days, 50km was very long range (compare to like 150km today). NPC spawns were then heavily nerfed just a week or two later in the fix patch. Ahhh, the good old days. That sounds so cool! could we get those back? lol, you wouldn't! i can remember just after castor, we went mining with 15 or so battleships to clear the belt out ... all went well till they respawned as one and took out 3 of our bs's !!! Smoke me a kipper, i'll be back for breakfast!
Dzajic Gallente	Posted - 2007.10.30 15:30:00 - [33] Wait, back long ago, belt rats were a challenge? It took more than 1 guy to clear a belt?? CCP, could we please have uber belt rats back in game?
Wesley Baird Murder-Death-Kill	Posted - 2007.10.30 15:49:00 - [34] Originally by: Dzajic Wait, back long ago, belt rats were a challenge? It took more than 1 guy to clear a belt?? CCP, could we please have uber belt rats back in game? Ratting sucks as it is...lets have CCP work on PVP mechanics first...and save the carebear stuff...for well....for a long long time...
Fornacis Gallente hirr Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2007.10.30 16:38:00 - [35] Edited by: Fornacis on 30/10/2007 16:44:39 What about after the ColdWar patch (or was it missle nerf patch) when the noob missions were spawning Battleships (for a day I think), and the new players were horrified. That was gold.... Now that I think about the element that is missing in Eve is Fear. I remember space being so scary back then. I know a lot of it was being new, but it was still scary and cold. There used to be NPC camps on the gates in Empire (which wouldn't matter now with warp to zero) but still made you careful about being on AP. You would get hung up on a can and come back with only your pod being at the destination. Belt/Gate rats were so badass......was a lot of fun.
Taurequis Waylander 01	Posted - 2007.10.30 16:50:00 - [36] Posting in the OAP thread. hello everyone who i know. I remember organising Stain frigate wing defence groups and comms channels to defend the pipe south of 4gq after ccp moved all the good ore 10 - 20 jumps from the nearest station. Leaving haulers with a really fun route filled with Curse Alliance lone gankers. Quality fun. Taur
Lord Seth Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.10.30 19:33:00 - [37] Heres one... Remember your first PVP fight or trip in to 0.0 and how your hands were shaken and you felt like you were going to vomit. yeah Ill never forget that feeling I wish I could get it back.... Or the joy and satisfaction you got from haveing all damage mods in your lows WOOT AND A BIG SAULTE to all of us 2003 players may EVE keep growing and memories and friends stay true I wish I had time to play like I used too....
Gort Storm Guard Elite	Posted - 2007.10.30 20:49:00 - [38] Edited by: Gort on 30/10/2007 20:53:03 Ha ha. Ratting today is just mining for guys with guns. Also, back in the old days we used to walk uphill all the way to school. In the rain. Both ways. Sweat, fear and trembling hands. Good friends and good enemies. Those were great days. Gorty PS It's too back CCP doesn't make an uninhabitable "old-tyme" region, where mysteries of wealth and death inhabit the cold black infinite emptiness. Let's see who would dare to travel that way.... -- When in doubt, empty the magazine.
Svetlanna The Collective Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2007.10.30 20:54:00 - [39] !Let's smack CCP a bit as we are not allowed to smack each other in this thread(just to spice up a bit the incoming Fanfest debates) Dear CCP developper, we humbly ask you to throw insane NPC pirate spawns in all the belts where a cloaking farmer raven pilot is eating grass. You know, like in the good old times when Npcing was a challenge... We will love you again if you do that. I swear.
HC MasiEEE Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.10.30 20:58:00 - [40] I still remember alot of account getting banned for smartbombing spawns. People made billions like this and a billion then was like so much The way it worked was so easy. If you had a belt with smaller frig and cruiser spawns with a orbitting distance of less then 7km, you could chain them at their respawn point using several smartbombs. A few frigs had a orbitting distance of 15km and couldn't be hit by the smartbomb so the spawn never died. With a good cap rechareg and small tank you could chain like this from downtime till downtime. ________________________ HC MasiEEE - DICE
Danari Amarr Viper Squad Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.10.30 21:26:00 - [41] The game would be so much better if a 2mo achera character would just die to a 3bs spawn.
laotse The Scope	Posted - 2007.10.30 23:16:00 - [42] the good old day,s the npc spawn,s keep comming at one time so fast you could kill them all \o danari how you doing http://80.126.192.128:8888/tfd/uploads/1121735338/gallery_11_8_1124480365.jpg Please resize image to a maximum of 400 x 120, not exceeding 24000 kbs, ty - Cortes
Rhaegor Stormborn Pestilent Industries Amalgamated The Volition Cult	Posted - 2007.10.30 23:24:00 - [43] I will be so happy the day that mission running and belt ratting are actually challenging in Eve once again. Higher risk with higher reward, something I have wanted for a long time now. Make earning ISK exciting and challenging and less of a boring ass grind. Rhaegor Stormborn Fleet Admiral - Pestilent Industries Amalgamated [PIA] Recruitment Thread
Plutonian Plutonian Shore	Posted - 2007.10.30 23:43:00 - [44] I demand more stories of the Old Days. MOAR!!! Any screenies of what the interface looked like In The Beginning? Before battleships were introduced, did the T2 frigates and cruisers exist? What ship classes were there at the start of the game? Here's a cool idea: CCP, take a test server and set it to trail 3 years behind Tranquility.
Lachesis Moirae Anqara Expeditions The OSS	Posted - 2007.10.30 23:49:00 - [45] Originally by: dalman A typical NPC spawn in a belt could feature up to 20 NPCS along the lines of 3-4 BS, 6+ cruisers and 10 frigates. Second, BS NPC could warpscramble and web from ~35km range(and they had 2km/s MWDing). And in those days, 50km was very long range (compare to like 150km today). NPC spawns were then heavily nerfed just a week or two later in the fix patch. Ahhh, the good old days. I obviously wasn't around for that, but I wish they still had that, or would bring it back. It would make npcing far less boring, especially when you don't feel like dedicating the time to run a mission.
VoxDei Caldari Shadow Company FreeFall Securities	Posted - 2007.10.31 00:09:00 - [46] Edited by: VoxDei on 31/10/2007 00:13:14 Originally by: Plutonian Any screenies of what the interface looked like In The Beginning? Yup. I have no idea how I still have these screenies (Eve's been uninstalled at least twice since I took them and they're on an old 8GB hard drive that migrated to my current computer when I upgraded last), but how do you like this one? That shot, incidentally, has a date on it of December 2003, when five battleships was a good fleet (that particular op was run by the White Star alliance, which the vast majority of you will never have heard of... only person I can think who was in it who anyone's heard of now was Cartiff, or maybe Atandros). I can't remember exactly when it occurred so it may not have been this op, but I think that was an op to go capture one of the 0.0 conquerable stations when they were first released - we were the first to take the station in Z-H2MA in Immensea (I think it was that one), and we lost it again within six hours after everyone went to bed. Station ping-pong was wonderful. :P EDIT: Ehm... screenie's gone off the right. I'll leave it there, but in case it gets modded the direct link is http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f373/Vox134/Eve/20031208221004copy.jpg EDIT 2: And yes, that's a radar thing in the bottom right, similar to Homeworld's (think it's Homeworld, not played that for quite a while). We had that and no overview. You young'uns don't know how lucky you are. :P
VoxDei Caldari Shadow Company FreeFall Securities	Posted - 2007.10.31 00:20:00 - [47] Edited by: VoxDei on 31/10/2007 00:21:30 Edited by: VoxDei on 31/10/2007 00:20:52 Originally by: Rhaegor Stormborn I will be so happy the day that mission running and belt ratting are actually challenging in Eve once again. Higher risk with higher reward, something I have wanted for a long time now. Make earning ISK exciting and challenging and less of a boring ass grind. When was mission running ever challenging? I used to do level 3s in an EW Scorpion (this was back when EW worked on stacked sensor strengths and had an essentially unlimited range, and you had a guaranteed jam if the numbers were there). You jammed out one rat at a time (yes, it was doable, it's just most people preferred to complain it was impossible rather than working out the numbers), and when they were jammed they flew away from you, enabling you to keep the whole lot at range while you sniped them. Some level 3s could be done in an EW BB using the same tactic, FFS (it was just dicier if they did get in range and you couldn't jam certain rats). In the unlikely event something went wrong you just jammed anything tackling you and warped out.
dalman Finite Horizon	Posted - 2007.10.31 00:39:00 - [48] Originally by: Lachesis Moirae Originally by: dalman A typical NPC spawn in a belt could feature up to 20 NPCS along the lines of 3-4 BS, 6+ cruisers and 10 frigates. Second, BS NPC could warpscramble and web from ~35km range(and they had 2km/s MWDing). And in those days, 50km was very long range (compare to like 150km today). NPC spawns were then heavily nerfed just a week or two later in the fix patch. Ahhh, the good old days. I obviously wasn't around for that, but I wish they still had that, or would bring it back. It would make npcing far less boring, especially when you don't feel like dedicating the time to run a mission. I sure do as well. But the problem in this patch wasn't really with NPC hunting. The problem was with mining. The patch basicly killed mining, prices on megacyte hit 20k right away, with a huge impact on the entire game. Back then, all NPCs in the spawn always targeted the closest ship, so they all focused on one ship and no tank in the game could withstand that for long. My corp (MASS) went mining Mercoxit one day after this patch (Merc was introduced in this patch). We had 2 BS mining. 5 BS as guards for killing the NPCs. And another ~8 guys hauling. ^^ Should give you some idea of how extremely the game has changed (ghad, those guys complaining about cargosizes nowadays should have been making those 15+ jumps(one way) hauls with industrials that couldn't carry 10k m3 etc). Am I forced to have any regret? I've become the lie, beautiful and free In my righteous own mind I adore and preach the insanity you gave to me
Mitch Taylor Dark-Rising	Posted - 2007.10.31 00:51:00 - [49] Edited by: Mitch Taylor on 31/10/2007 00:52:35 Edited by: Mitch Taylor on 31/10/2007 00:51:45 I was listening to some of our newer members complaining about the upcoming carrier changes on ts, it got me thinking... remember when apocs where the solo pwn pirate vessel of choice? or when torps one volleyed frigs? or when having a skilled scorp pilot in your gang was the pinacle of pvp awesomeness! And remember how it was the end of the world when they nerfed them :) and yet, we all somehow managed to adapt, theres a lesson there somewhere, it made me chuckle a bit to myself. <3 ccp keep up the good show folks. EDIT; I forgot one... remember when splash damage from torps in empire got you concorded Mitch *signature removed - please email us to find out why (include a link) - Jacques([email protected]) www.dark-rising.co.uk
BustahCap TCE Dirty Deeds Corp. Axiom Empire	Posted - 2007.10.31 01:49:00 - [50] Originally by: HC MasiEEE I still remember alot of account getting banned for smartbombing spawns. People made billions like this and a billion then was like so much The way it worked was so easy. If you had a belt with smaller frig and cruiser spawns with a orbitting distance of less then 7km, you could chain them at their respawn point using several smartbombs. A few frigs had a orbitting distance of 15km and couldn't be hit by the smartbomb so the spawn never died. With a good cap rechareg and small tank you could chain like this from downtime till downtime. /whistle
Royaldo Gallente KVA Noble Inc. Institute of Cooperative Education	Posted - 2007.10.31 01:59:00 - [51] Originally by: dalman Edited by: dalman on 29/10/2007 21:48:22 Originally by: Dahin Oooh, I still remember the thread discussing the real introduction of tracking. I still remember people screaming "My 1400 howies can't hit a frigate orbiting? WTF? That certainly was not the issue in this case. The tracking thing was half a year later. The quotes in the topic is from the Castor patch, when BS NPCs was first introduced. That was the real deal, a big difference compared to now: A typical NPC spawn in a belt could feature up to 20 NPCS along the lines of 3-4 BS, 6+ cruisers and 10 frigates. Second, BS NPC could warpscramble and web from ~35km range(and they had 2km/s MWDing). And in those days, 50km was very long range (compare to like 150km today). NPC spawns were then heavily nerfed just a week or two later in the fix patch. Ahhh, the good old days. O.o they took that out? what was the reason for the ore nerf on stain?
Siege Minmatar Siegecraft Bounty Hunting	Posted - 2007.10.31 02:24:00 - [52] Jeebus! That screenshot brings be back, I had forgotten the modules were part of the central hud. Too bad you didn't have a targetting donut on anything to show that as well. God it was hard keeping up with those things up close in a spinning frigate fight. You don't have any screenshots of the market-map in there at all do you? Talking about the uber-spawns, yeah that was a bit rough. They did that a few times, such as when they first introduced cruisers and gate spawns. I wish the forum never died, and we could see those first couple months worth. GM's spent two days transporting people out of low-sec and 0.0 because nobody could get through the gates, then they decided to do a rollback anyways.
Plutonian Plutonian Shore	Posted - 2007.10.31 04:38:00 - [53] Originally by: VoxDei We had that and no overview. You young'uns don't know how lucky you are. :P Wow. Thanks for the pic. I can only assume you guys had to target in space... which, upon reflection, would make finding a specific primary during a battle tough. What were the three lights just over the speed bar?
Daerkannon Shimmerscale Gallente Paxton Industries Paxton Federation	Posted - 2007.10.31 04:46:00 - [54] Originally by: Plutonian What were the three lights just over the speed bar? That's how you picked if you were viewing the highs, mids or lows. --- Honest officer, the dwarf was on fire when I got here! Can't find a mechanical engineering agent? Need a non-Caldari Navy agent? http://www.eve-agents.com/ for all your agent needs!
Plutonian Plutonian Shore	Posted - 2007.10.31 04:53:00 - [55] Originally by: Daerkannon Shimmerscale Originally by: Plutonian What were the three lights just over the speed bar? That's how you picked if you were viewing the highs, mids or lows. ROFLMAO! You had to switch modes?! Holy crap... talk about stone knives and bearskins! Wish I'd been playing in those days. Sadly I was modding single-player space sim games.
dalman Finite Horizon	Posted - 2007.10.31 10:44:00 - [56] Originally by: Plutonian Originally by: VoxDei We had that and no overview. You young'uns don't know how lucky you are. :P Wow. Thanks for the pic. I can only assume you guys had to target in space... which, upon reflection, would make finding a specific primary during a battle tough. Yes and no. Sometimes targeting in space was the easiest way. But you also got a [very bugged] "threat window" popping up with close players with bad standing (this didn't always work, and it also used to show not only drones but also missiles in space belonging to said pilots). You could also run with your scanner opened and lock targets from that one. Originally by: Plutonian Originally by: Daerkannon Shimmerscale Originally by: Plutonian What were the three lights just over the speed bar? That's how you picked if you were viewing the highs, mids or lows. ROFLMAO! You had to switch modes?! Holy crap... talk about stone knives and bearskins! Yep. No auto-reload on modules either... So you had to switch between them quite alot. (one reason I guess for why all old pilots are using the F1-8 keys alot more than younger pilots) Am I forced to have any regret? I've become the lie, beautiful and free In my righteous own mind I adore and preach the insanity you gave to me
Potty Caldari Thundercats RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2007.10.31 11:06:00 - [57] Edited by: Potty on 31/10/2007 11:12:59 yup, the spawns were great, I used to use them as a hiding place for when I lost my ship in PvP :D. Find the biggest NPC spawn i could and sit there untill the hostiles went away. IMO NPCs are too weak... bring back the 15 unit spawns of death !!! Oh and you used to be able to target missiles with guns :D. Had a great fight once, both in moa's and of course using the heavy launchers fillied with torps, and all we did was shoot down each others torps becasue if eve one got through... ouch :P I miss them days, and to the guy who posted that pic.. WTF all them tier 2 Bs's. I used to get happy if i saw a teir 1, untill the day i saw my first raven, in the middle of 0.0 not givving a s*** if people flew close to him becasue he could kill anyone of us in like 2 secs. THE POWA!!
PSA1SWIPE Caldari Bladerunners	Posted - 2007.10.31 14:35:00 - [58] back then mining and npcinh was serious buisnes lol half a fleet just to guard the miners , haulin from a belt 10-15 jumps back to a station .... your battleship gettin instantly roasted by npcs mwd with a blackbird into yer own torp and die autopilot used to get to Venal and everyone forgettin me to tell about P3-en .... meh first trip up tachy scorp =] and so on fond memories _______________________
Raid Caldari Tyrell Corp INTERDICTION	Posted - 2007.10.31 15:43:00 - [59] Originally by: dalman Edited by: dalman on 29/10/2007 21:48:22 Originally by: Dahin Oooh, I still remember the thread discussing the real introduction of tracking. I still remember people screaming "My 1400 howies can't hit a frigate orbiting? WTF? That certainly was not the issue in this case. The tracking thing was half a year later. The quotes in the topic is from the Castor patch, when BS NPCs was first introduced. That was the real deal, a big difference compared to now: A typical NPC spawn in a belt could feature up to 20 NPCS along the lines of 3-4 BS, 6+ cruisers and 10 frigates. Second, BS NPC could warpscramble and web from ~35km range(and they had 2km/s MWDing). And in those days, 50km was very long range (compare to like 150km today). NPC spawns were then heavily nerfed just a week or two later in the fix patch. Ahhh, the good old days. I remember a few days after castor Tyrell had a mining op in Great Wildlands. We needed 10 battleships to keep the rats off the miners and we could only sustain that for an hour or two before the respawn rate was so high that it was too dangerous for the miners. Good times... But back then you only had to worry about NPCs killing you. These days theres so many fast moving gank squads that NPC's are the least of your worries.
Talidorn Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2007.10.31 16:18:00 - [60] How about Dual MWD ships? How about frigs (not stealth bombers) fit with torps? Yeah - corp ratting in the old days was great. When we would take out 3-5 BS and a few cruisers to rat. Sometimes I miss it... well, back to hugging the POS bubble while spider repping other carriers while dishing out 5 drones at a time... oh wait! That hasn't happened yet! Talidorn
VoxDei Caldari Shadow Company FreeFall Securities	Posted - 2007.10.31 16:39:00 - [61] Edited by: VoxDei on 31/10/2007 16:39:36 Originally by: Siege You don't have any screenshots of the market-map in there at all do you? Nah, sorry. Never was much of a trader, and I've only got a few screenies from back then... got about five from that op and a couple from about six months later when they'd changed the interface a bit (not to what we've got now, but a bit). Quote: I miss them days, and to the guy who posted that pic.. WTF all them tier 2 Bs's. I used to get happy if i saw a teir 1, untill the day i saw my first raven, in the middle of 0.0 not givving a s*** if people flew close to him becasue he could kill anyone of us in like 2 secs. THE POWA!! I remember that. I remember flying past the first tier 2 BS I ever saw (in Empire) and saying in corp "Wow, I just passed a Megathron!"
Sutter Kane Caldari Zombie Inc.	Posted - 2007.10.31 16:49:00 - [62] Old days, Old days, maby its just you ppl getting old and the days are still young, or what ?
Psych0 Gallente MASS Ministry Of Amarrian Secret Service	Posted - 2007.10.31 17:15:00 - [63] Edited by: Psych0 on 31/10/2007 17:18:24 Originally by: Talidorn How about Dual MWD ships? How about frigs (not stealth bombers) fit with torps? Yeah - corp ratting in the old days was great. When we would take out 3-5 BS and a few cruisers to rat. Sometimes I miss it... well, back to hugging the POS bubble while spider repping other carriers while dishing out 5 drones at a time... oh wait! That hasn't happened yet! Talidorn Heh forget dual mwd at the beginning there were only 1 type of mwd that were used for all ship classes and you could put as many of them on youre ship as you wanted(could fit with pg/cpu) and ofc no activation limit if you had cap you could turn them all on.
slothe Caldari 0utbreak	Posted - 2007.10.31 18:14:00 - [64] Originally by: Rhaegor Stormborn I will be so happy the day that mission running and belt ratting are actually challenging in Eve once again. Higher risk with higher reward, something I have wanted for a long time now. Make earning ISK exciting and challenging and less of a boring ass grind. err qft
Loco Apophis Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.10.31 19:01:00 - [65] Originally by: Mitch Taylor Edited by: Mitch Taylor on 31/10/2007 00:52:35 Edited by: Mitch Taylor on 31/10/2007 00:51:45 remember when apocs where the solo pwn pirate vessel of choice? or when torps one volleyed frigs? or when having a skilled scorp pilot in your gang was the pinacle of pvp awesomeness! And remember how it was the end of the world when they nerfed them :) and yet, we all somehow managed to adapt, theres a lesson there somewhere, it made me chuckle a bit to myself. <3 ccp keep up the good show folks. EDIT; I forgot one... remember when splash damage from torps in empire got you concorded Mitch Apocs solo pwn mobiles? No way... or yes. Something like this maybe? Where you could kill a whole system? hehe Link Miss the old shield-torpedo apoc. Btw, you can see the old UI better on that ss. Halseth Durn > We are an alliance that wants to be left alone
dalman Finite Horizon	Posted - 2007.11.01 00:16:00 - [66] Originally by: Loco Apophis Btw, you can see the old UI better on that ss. It's not the same UI ;) Think yours is post-castor and the other screenshot pre-castor (december 2003). Main difference being the autoscanner and the change/addition of buttons to the left of the circles (the dronebay one was quite nice to get). Am I forced to have any regret? I've become the lie, beautiful and free In my righteous own mind I adore and preach the insanity you gave to me
Bozl1n Caldari Shiva Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2007.11.01 05:04:00 - [67] Dual spawns in the -1.0 systems rocked to. And the gurista breakaway group invadeing fountain, the criclere event spawns, torpedo launching merlins and cruise crows. Sig returned after a victory with the appeal \o/ ;)~

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