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Drakarian Blacksteel Mining and Manufacturing Apoapsis Multiversal Consortium	Posted - 2007.10.30 22:12:00 - [31] Edited by: Drakarian on 30/10/2007 22:12:04 Originally by: Tarminic ...A T1-fitted battleship is 60-120 million ISK... Maybe the Tier 1 battle ships, but Abaddon's run over 150mil usually....plus a good 60mil worth of ccc's if you want it to be able to shoot for more then 30 seconds
Ivor Gunn No One Expects The Spanish Inquisition	Posted - 2007.10.30 22:13:00 - [32] 109.
Tortun Nahme Minmatar Heimatar Services Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.10.30 22:14:00 - [33] Originally by: Drakarian Edited by: Drakarian on 30/10/2007 22:12:04 Originally by: Tarminic ...A T1-fitted battleship is 60-120 million ISK... Maybe the Tier 1 battle ships, but Abaddon's run over 150mil usually....plus a good 60mil worth of ccc's if you want it to be able to shoot for more then 30 seconds ouch a strom comes up to about 120 mil tops and will wtfbbqpwn an abaddon I'm currently involved in medical research, concerning the therapuetic aspects of a swift kick in the rear What do zombies and forum posters have in common? They like to sit about and moan!
Allestin Villimar	Posted - 2007.10.30 22:16:00 - [34] Depends on whether it's just t1 frigs or t2 or what. I'd be willing to bet 30 t1 frigs could do it as long as you all focused on the fighters and most of them equipped small neuts in a high slot. Take you a long time to eat through their hp, but if they have no cap they can't actually tank. It'd also be the most hilarious kill mail ever. Biggest danger would be the initial blowing up of fighters. Once you got those down they'd be at your mercy. Funny thing is you could probably tank all of those fighters at once in an interceptor as long as you weren't moving.
Ask Unbeatable Gallente HighTech Marines Ltd. FREGE Alliance	Posted - 2007.10.30 22:18:00 - [35] OVER 9000
Selnix Gallente Master Miners Aftermath Alliance	Posted - 2007.10.30 22:21:00 - [36] Edited by: Selnix on 30/10/2007 22:23:18 Originally by: Liang Nuren There was a post in CAOD about 6 months ago where 40-50 frigates took down a carrier in CZDJ-1. The post is entitled "how many frigates does it take to get to the center of a carrier". I remember reading this, because it was my corp that lost the carrier. ;-) Liang Here is the COAD post. http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=497294 And since linking killboards is a no-no or some such, I can't do that. But on the Aftermath board for anyone that wants to look it up, it was kill 2870. Should also be on the Coreli as kill 19695. And for the record, the Chimera was already entering armor when the Curse arrived. edit: made the link into a link instead of just text...
omiNATION Gallente Vanguard of the Ouroboros Nation	Posted - 2007.10.30 22:41:00 - [37] Originally by: Bu Jinkan Edited by: Bu Jinkan on 30/10/2007 21:45:33 A punisher with 3 light electron blasters (the punisher high slots are unbonused), 3 damage mods, and two cap rechargers can blast away forever with a startling 137 dps. You also have the cap and room to fit a small energy neut. An Archon can tank 3,508 dps with a t2 dual rep setup. You would need 26 punishers fitted this way to break the Archon's tank. Or would you? Since we fitted out the small neuts, it would only take 15 punishers to do the job. However, it would take a very very long time. With 26 punishers, though, his tank would actually break pretty quickly. So there you go. 15 is the absolute minimum. note that i have not actually done any real math on this It's okay I'm already in the rookie channel WTB 15 noobs, to kill carrier [sig] EVE, basically an MMORPG with prison rules. [/sig]
Kaakao Insidious Existence Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.10.30 22:51:00 - [38] Edited by: Kaakao on 30/10/2007 22:51:45 Only stupid carrier pilots have only fighters in their drone bay. T2 light and medium drones pop t1 frigs fast. ---- wtb signature
tarin adur Gallente Einherjar Rising	Posted - 2007.10.30 23:08:00 - [39] Edited by: tarin adur on 30/10/2007 23:09:23 http://www.gazarsgo.com/killboard/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=15864 Not he best fit carriers,by far,and we were using bombers. but yeah. Dropped in about a min and a half.
Liang Nuren The Avalon Foundation Knights Of Syndicate	Posted - 2007.10.31 00:10:00 - [40] Edited by: Liang Nuren on 31/10/2007 00:10:53 Originally by: Selnix Edited by: Selnix on 30/10/2007 22:23:18 Originally by: Liang Nuren There was a post in CAOD about 6 months ago where 40-50 frigates took down a carrier in CZDJ-1. The post is entitled "how many frigates does it take to get to the center of a carrier". I remember reading this, because it was my corp that lost the carrier. ;-) Liang Here is the COAD post. http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=497294 And since linking killboards is a no-no or some such, I can't do that. But on the Aftermath board for anyone that wants to look it up, it was kill 2870. Should also be on the Coreli as kill 19695. And for the record, the Chimera was already entering armor when the Curse arrived. edit: made the link into a link instead of just text... THANKS for looking that up! I was about to! Liang Ed: Name -- Retired forum *****. Plz tell me to STFU. Yarr?
Reem Fairchild Minmatar Republic University	Posted - 2007.10.31 00:19:00 - [41] Originally by: Kaakao Edited by: Kaakao on 30/10/2007 22:51:45 Only stupid carrier pilots have only fighters in their drone bay. T2 light and medium drones pop t1 frigs fast. If the carrier can get a lock or releases the drones early enough so they can auto-aggress.
Xaen Caldari Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2007.10.31 00:37:00 - [42] Originally by: Big Tortillaboy what if the carrier uses light drones instead of fighters? Without at least two sensor booster IIs it would take the carrier about a minute to lock a frigate. And if like.......two of them fit damps....just forget it. Unless the new aggressive mode combined with the focus fire option would allow a swarm of light drones to kill frigates. Then the carrier could probably defend itself against all but an obscene number of frigates. Maybe that's the reason for CCP Zulupark's carrier/mothership-ruination dev blog. -- Support fixing the EVE UI
Franconis Gallente Down In Flames	Posted - 2007.10.31 01:03:00 - [43] Killing a carrier using just frigates is like trying to wipe out a military base by throwing marshmallows at it. It might be possible, but you're more likely to have a cookout than a fight.
Tortun Nahme Minmatar Heimatar Services Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.10.31 01:04:00 - [44] now I want to kill someone with marshmallows... I'm currently involved in medical research, concerning the therapuetic aspects of a swift kick in the rear What do zombies and forum posters have in common? They like to sit about and moan!
Allestin Villimar	Posted - 2007.10.31 01:25:00 - [45] Easy enough. Inject them with cyanide. Then leave them out in the open. With a little sign that says "These marshmallow are poisonous". That way when they eat it you aren't liable for damages. Or death, as it may be.
Sarah McTeef	Posted - 2007.10.31 01:29:00 - [46] Originally by: Tortun Nahme now I want to kill someone with marshmallows... Originally by: Allestin Villimar Easy enough. Inject them with cyanide. Then leave them out in the open. With a little sign that says "These marshmallow are poisonous". That way when they eat it you aren't liable for damages. Or death, as it may be. It's even easier than that, and a better idea than cyanide.
Groes Thir Gallente Karjala Inc. Onnenpyora	Posted - 2007.10.31 01:35:00 - [47] Dunno if anyone has mentioned the carrier, which BoB killed with 4 interceptors.
Jack Jombardo Amarr	Posted - 2007.10.31 02:08:00 - [48] Edited by: Jack Jombardo on 31/10/2007 02:09:09 The new drone commands on Sisi are realy strong. And Fighters do have a nice amount of HP too (2500 shild, 3000 armor, 4500 structur without resitences) plus a MDW speed of 2250 unskilled wich is faster then most (not all) T1 frigs. So if the Frigs don't focus the Fighters they need quit a bit of time just to kill them. And if Fighters can't track the Frigs you might use heavy Drones where an archon can carry 1200 together with 10 fighters (or 3000 medium drones g). If the Carrier can't kill 50 Frigs with 1200 heavy drones (5 at each time equals 317 DPS peer wave of heavys) ... well then the Carrier Pilot should train his drone-skills a little bit and isn't realy ready for a ship bigger then a Vexor ;).
Devious Syn	Posted - 2007.10.31 02:12:00 - [49] Originally by: ChimeraRouge Shouldn't take more than 10 frigates. Carriers are overpowered and I'm glad they can only deploy 5 drones now. OH this makes sense, lets kill a Bill isk ship with 10 frigs.. Omg you Win
PeepingTom Dirty Deeds Corp. Axiom Empire	Posted - 2007.10.31 02:13:00 - [50] Edited by: PeepingTom on 31/10/2007 02:13:46 Edited by: PeepingTom on 31/10/2007 02:13:32 Originally by: Liang Nuren There was a post in CAOD about 6 months ago where 40-50 frigates took down a carrier in CZDJ-1. while indeed is was not purely frigates, gang composition on the carrier mail was: 1 T1 BC, 4 T1 cruisers, 1 curse, 2 interdictors, 7 T2 frigates. The killmail is not truncated. Linkage In all fairness, the chimera in question was largely T1 fit and for unknown reasons had reactor control units fit. point is, these frequent "how many frigates does it take to ..." posts are at best subjective and relies largely on the fallacious assumption that even 10% of the eve player base knows what the crap they're doing, which they do not. regardless, doing it with frigates is not very time effecient (albeit epic), but at times in eve you gotta do what you gotta do
Liang Nuren The Avalon Foundation Knights Of Syndicate	Posted - 2007.10.31 02:23:00 - [51] Originally by: PeepingTom In all fairness, the chimera in question was largely T1 fit and for unknown reasons had reactor control units fit. point is, these frequent "how many frigates does it take to ..." posts are at best subjective and relies largely on the fallacious assumption that even 10% of the eve player base knows what the crap they're doing, which they do not. regardless, doing it with frigates is not very time effecient (albeit epic), but at times in eve you gotta do what you gotta do TBH, I hadn't bothered to look at the killmail since then. Knowing quite a bit more about the game now... wow. Um, next time you see a T1 fit carrier or mothership .. call me. I'll bring my dictor. ;-) Liang -- Retired forum *****. Plz tell me to STFU. Yarr?
Kirex Vale Heavy Industries Molotov Coalition	Posted - 2007.10.31 02:39:00 - [52] Linkage It was an AF/t1 cruiser gang. He loged off once he got to armor. We even managed to scoop the tower he was unanchoring. :)
RuleoftheBone Minmatar Veto. Veto Corp	Posted - 2007.10.31 02:49:00 - [53] Edited by: RuleoftheBone on 31/10/2007 02:50:41 Originally by: ChimeraRouge Shouldn't take more than 10 frigates. Carriers are overpowered and I'm glad they can only deploy 5 drones now. You are incorrect. Last night a gang consisting of 3 HAC's (Vaga/Vaga/Eagle), 4 Recons (2 Curse 1 Arazu 1 Rapier), and two frigs (Inty and Covops) took over 45 minutes to bring down a Thanatos. The carrier pilot...while not overly clever to be caught in a belt guarding a Mackinaw () sent multiple waves of Ogre's and T2 light/meds with each wave consisting of 8-10 drones. The pilot did not deploy fighters at any time during the engagement. "Lead Me..Follow Me..Or get the **** out of my way" General George Patton USA
voidvim Minmatar Genco Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.10.31 03:15:00 - [54] Edited by: voidvim on 31/10/2007 03:21:21 1 interseptor thats fast enought to out fly small T2 drones (even if all drone skills maxed) will keep a carrier warp scrabled untill the sever goes down. If the T2 light drones agro the interseptor their play follow the leader so the carrier will never have time lock the other frigates. befor 2 dampen frigates Maulus (gallent ewar) make the lock time over a minute even with t2 sensoer boosters. then 2 - 3 ecm frigate frigates Griffin (with good skills) should be able all way break the befor the you can relock any of the frigates. so about 5 or 6 frigates to make a carrier helpless (mainly just the interseptor) then Originally by: Jack Jombardo A punisher with 3 light electron blasters (the punisher high slots are unbonused), 3 damage mods, and two cap rechargers can blast away forever with a startling 137 dps. You also have the cap and room to fit a small energy neut. An Archon can tank 3,508 dps with a t2 dual rep setup. You would need 26 punishers fitted this way to break the Archon's tank. Or would you? Since we fitted out the small neuts, it would only take 15 punishers to do the job. However, it would take a very very long time. With 26 punishers, though, his tank would actually break pretty quickly. So there you go. 15 is the absolute minimum. but lets say the carrier has a smart bomb or 2 so beam/rail/arti's are needed. so I think 25 to 30 frigates are needed to kill a carrier.
Moridin920 Gallente Capital One	Posted - 2007.10.31 03:47:00 - [55] Edited by: Moridin920 on 31/10/2007 03:50:53 Originally by: ChimeraRouge Shouldn't take more than 10 frigates. Carriers are overpowered and I'm glad they can only deploy 5 drones now. I really fail to see how people can call a capital ship overpowered when 10 frigates (what, maybe 5m with decent fittings?) can't take one down. It's a capital ship ffs. At the risk of getting flamed for the comparison, name one other game, real life situation, or anything where 10 of the smallest class ships can easily kill a massive capital ship. And sorry to burst your bubble, but even with 5 drones (and that change hasn't been added yet anyway) a carrier can still jack up 10 frigates pretty easily. Or else the pilot is just terrible. Hell, my Dominix could probably do that or if it dies take down most if not all of them down with it. Hobgoblin IIs ftw. And they auto-acquire so the frigs will take some damage in the off chance they managed to actually ECM a battleship or bigger for any significant amount of time. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- "We sincerely apologize for any inconvenience our piracy may have caused you, but, we are pirates and, sadly, this is our way."
Viktor Fyretracker Caldari Worms Corp	Posted - 2007.10.31 04:00:00 - [56] there is no issue with 40+ frigates killing a lone carrier, look to reality. there is a reason US carriers never roam alone.
SirMoric	Posted - 2007.10.31 04:47:00 - [57] Depends on the carrier and the frigs. But 42 IS the answer. rgds
NerfBat Wack Gallente	Posted - 2007.10.31 05:27:00 - [58] NERF FRIGATES They're overpowerd pwn' mobiles, my Ibis can't keep up! WHACK! Notify: you have been smacked by the nerf bat, you are now yet another worthless eve relic.
umop 3pisdn Minmatar Republic Military School	Posted - 2007.10.31 05:51:00 - [59] You need say... 3 maulus (just in case 1 pops or caps out) to make the carrier absolutely useless apart from smartbombs. You lose a few people figuring out his smart bomb range. Then you just need to break his cap tank... im not going to take a precise guess like 100 about how many frigs you would need. A thanatos can only tank up to 3k DPS apparently (my numbers could be way off) If we can use t2 frigs then a few of the new gallente frigs would nulify the carrier forever and the new neut/nos frigs would start to mess with its finely balanced tank as well as some AFs (lol as if..) or stealth bombers to up the dps and boom goes the carrier, if help doesnt arrive. Or if he fits stabs and BS mods like a lot of carrier ratting ebayers
Moridin920 Gallente Capital One	Posted - 2007.10.31 06:03:00 - [60] Originally by: Viktor Fyretracker there is no issue with 40+ frigates killing a lone carrier, look to reality. there is a reason US carriers never roam alone. 40 sure. 10? No chance in hell. A US carrier is never alone because it is an expensive piece of equipment that is vulnerable to a lot more than other ships. Missiles, undersea torpedos, etc... Honestly a force of other regular ships is probably the last thing a carrier is worried about, seeing as it can launch so many bombers + fighters from absurd distances away and wtfpwn most of those ships before they even get to any sort of reasonable firing range. So there really isn't any reason for 10-20 frigs to be able to kill a carrier. 40 might be more reasonable, but I think you can already manage it with 40. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- "We sincerely apologize for any inconvenience our piracy may have caused you, but, we are pirates and, sadly, this is our way."

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