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Lyl Libido The Taining corp Knights Of the Southerncross	Posted - 2007.10.31 04:00:00 - [1] Hey, I havent been paying attn to whats been goin on up there in cloud due to me not caring about anyone but KOS and its allies, I wanted to ask this question: For an alliance of your size, why did you fall so easily and (from what i have heard) not much, if any, real attempts to defend your space? What gives? I am curious, is all... -Lyl Libido The Taining Corp
Korah Caldari Heavy Metal Mining and Manufacturing	Posted - 2007.10.31 04:06:00 - [2] If you don't care what happens, what compells you to create a whole new topic on this? Originally by: Lyl Libido Hey, I havent been paying attn to whats been goin on up there in cloud due to me not caring about anyone but KOS and its allies, I wanted to ask this question:
Zap powie Minmatar The Accursed	Posted - 2007.10.31 04:06:00 - [3] tl;dr
Asylum Seaker Quam Singulari	Posted - 2007.10.31 04:16:00 - [4] Quote: Paper tiger is a literal English translation of the Chinese phrase zhǐ lǎohǔ, meaning something which seems as threatening as a tiger, but is really harmless. The universe is hostile, so impersonal, devour to survive, so it is, so it's always been.
Kyley	Posted - 2007.10.31 04:24:00 - [5] cuz they took in a bunch of people who would be better suited in an alliance like knights of the southerncross rather than a real alliance
Super Twinkey69 D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.10.31 04:27:00 - [6] check bottom of coad page or maybe on the second page-plenty of topics about it tbh hurray!!111!1!
Bethykins Amarr Imperial Academy	Posted - 2007.10.31 05:10:00 - [7] Not hard to figure out... TRI lives for pvp... they probably have some of the lowest numbers of carebears from any alliance out there... not to much fat sitting around a well greased fighting machine... They have insane amount of active capital pilots... Tri has pretty much run out of ppl to shoot... its hard for an alliance built on making money and pvp as a recreation to money making(YW) vs a well oiled PVP machine liek TRI. nano greifing gangs go thru all day, caps seiging pos's all day... just got out classed... Goons have close to 5.5k-6k peeps and still they cant take bob them selfs which is half their size they need, RA, iac, -a-, KOS, UL, PL, UR, Ka-tet, Invic, Frege etc etc help to take them lol...
Misfitsa Gallente GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.10.31 05:12:00 - [8] youwhat suks disrespect in mind
Bethy San TARDZ Gods of Night and Day	Posted - 2007.10.31 05:22:00 - [9] TBH Goons vs TRI, goons would die... so... dunno if YW exactly sucks as if got outclassed
Irob Urore Amarr Viziam	Posted - 2007.10.31 05:25:00 - [10] Originally by: Bethykins Goons have close to 5.5k-6k peeps and still they cant take bob them selfs which is half their size they need, RA, iac, -a-, KOS, UL, PL, UR, Ka-tet, Invic, Frege etc etc help to take them lol... qft. wonder if tri will also join in and give bob a few kicks while there down. bandwagon seems to be getting bigger and bigger every day, i cant wait for when its over and everyone starts turning on each other. And you know all those crap alliances "yes you frege" are going to cop it up the duff big time.
Snowden Vel GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.10.31 05:25:00 - [11] Originally by: Bethy San TBH Goons vs TRI, goons would die... so... dunno if YW exactly sucks as if got outclassed So you're saying it would take less than ten TRI to drive GONAD out of 0.0?
Jonkin Vylade Investment Bank	Posted - 2007.10.31 05:30:00 - [12] Originally by: Irob Urore Originally by: Bethykins Goons have close to 5.5k-6k peeps and still they cant take bob them selfs which is half their size they need, RA, iac, -a-, KOS, UL, PL, UR, Ka-tet, Invic, Frege etc etc help to take them lol... qft. wonder if tri will also join in and give bob a few kicks while there down. bandwagon seems to be getting bigger and bigger every day, i cant wait for when its over and everyone starts turning on each other. And you know all those crap alliances "yes you frege" are going to cop it up the duff big time. Tri will never take on bob, they would risk a war with mc, and they cannot win that
Erik Amirault Gallente GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.10.31 05:36:00 - [13] Posting in a goons thread
Dramaticus GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.10.31 05:49:00 - [14] Originally by: Bethy San TBH Goons vs TRI, goons would die... so... dunno if YW exactly sucks as if got outclassed tbh who the christ are you Yours in Christ, Dramaticus
Likuno	Posted - 2007.10.31 05:54:00 - [15] Edited by: Likuno on 31/10/2007 05:54:50 Originally by: Bethy San TBH Goons vs TRI, goons would die... so... dunno if YW exactly sucks as if got outclassed why dont you post your picture on a public forum? I still think your face is a little flat! http://img214.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dscf0273ys3.jpg
Virgil Aquilis GoonFleet	Posted - 2007.10.31 05:58:00 - [16] Originally by: Bethy San TBH Goons vs TRI, goons would die... so... dunno if YW exactly sucks as if got outclassed How about Goons vs. GONAD, how'd that work out
Gharthak Gallente Exanimo Inc Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.10.31 06:27:00 - [17] Originally by: Jonkin Tri will never take on bob, they would risk a war with mc, and they cannot win that All I can say is.. LOL. And.. Can we give up on these pointless threads.
Sacul Wreckless Abandon Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.10.31 06:36:00 - [18] Originally by: Bethy San TBH Goons vs TRI, goons would die... so... dunno if YW exactly sucks as if got outclassed lol. goons would outblob us in a day and all our precious ships would sit in lag/desync all day. TRI wants fights not sluggish blob fests. U see how much space we got and gave away...we are just about a homespace and then venture out and have fun. We are not the new Bob and we are not the uber end all atm .. .We want to have pvp fun and take the harsh bitter game mechanics pill that u need to swallow with that in mild and dozed ways! Stop being a fanboi. stop being a bandwagon moron. stop being a defeitist..You have beef with us? fight us! you love us? do so in silence and im sure we will visit u in the night for snuggles! Goons and Bob...enjoy. We have our own fun. The stone age didn't end because we ran out of stones!
Engad Tanon Caldari Enterprise Estonia Cult of War	Posted - 2007.10.31 06:37:00 - [19] Originally by: Lyl Libido Hey, For an alliance of your size, why did you fall so easily and (from what i have heard) not much, if any, real attempts to defend your space? What gives? I am curious, is all... lol, look your own history
Scav Silver Amarr Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2007.10.31 06:38:00 - [20] Originally by: Gharthak ...Can we give up on these pointless threads. Yeah.. It ain't happenin'.. ------------------------------------------------------------- "Scav est procul Porta!!" -=Pimary=- "Tonight you dine in....BKG?" -=Ashemi Darkhold=-
Misfitsa Gallente GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.10.31 07:13:00 - [21] poast
benzss Templar Securities and Holdings Axiom Empire	Posted - 2007.10.31 07:23:00 - [22] It's true that Tri have a fightening ability to get pilots together and apply a great amount of skill to rolling over their enemies... but I wouldn't call Fallen Souls and YouWhat much of a challenge. No disrespect of course. When I lived in the north I was lucky to be with them rather than against them.
Sakura San X - Beyond the Frontier	Posted - 2007.10.31 07:34:00 - [23] loosing a couple of wars: 100 bil relocating your alliance a couple of times: 20 bil changing sides because you suck so much a couple of times: 0,1 ISK THIS QUESTION FROM A KOS MEMBER: PRICELESS !!!
Misfitsa Gallente GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.10.31 07:36:00 - [24] Originally by: Sakura San loosing a couple of wars: 100 bil relocating your alliance a couple of times: 20 bil changing sides because you suck so much a couple of times: 0,1 ISK THIS QUESTION FROM A KOS MEMBER: PRICELESS !!! KOS still has space lol
Sakura San X - Beyond the Frontier	Posted - 2007.10.31 07:42:00 - [25] Edited by: Sakura San on 31/10/2007 07:42:23 if YouWhat had 15k allies, they would still have space as well, lol. i added a "lol" for goons to understand it as well.
Misfitsa Gallente GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.10.31 07:48:00 - [26] Originally by: Sakura San Edited by: Sakura San on 31/10/2007 07:42:23 if YouWhat had 15k allies, they would still have space as well, lol. i added a "lol" for goons to understand it as well. lol then lol they lol should lol learn lol to lol get lol along lol with lol people lol better lol
DeadDuck Amarr Amarr Border Defense Consortium Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2007.10.31 08:25:00 - [27] Looking at YW history, they removed them selves, and their assets from Cloud Ring when they announced they were aligning with BOB vs D2 and their allies. They were expecting a big invasion that never happen. So they return to the region a while after, and kept all their assets free from harm. Even if the invasion never happened it was a very wise decision at that time. RZR did the same some months ago during the last days of D2, when MC and allies seemed unstopable in the North. They removed them selves to MM space and wait for the dust to settle, then they started to fight and look at where they are now. YW is not dead, they are just waiting for the right time to come back...
Pastora Russian SOBR Red Alliance	Posted - 2007.10.31 08:28:00 - [28] Originally by: Bethykins Goons have close to 5.5k-6k peeps and still they cant take bob them selfs which is half their size they need, RA, iac, -a-, KOS, UL, PL, UR, Ka-tet, Invic, Frege etc etc help to take them lol... That was pretty stupid thing to write. _______________________________________________ If ifs and ands were pots and pans, I would grow mushrooms in my pants.
Pastora Russian SOBR Red Alliance	Posted - 2007.10.31 08:30:00 - [29] Originally by: Sakura San if YouWhat had 15k allies, they would still have space as well So what? They had the option to choose the side a few months ago. They did... _______________________________________________ If ifs and ands were pots and pans, I would grow mushrooms in my pants.
Dodgy Dave Minmatar Benelli Brothers	Posted - 2007.10.31 08:53:00 - [30] lol yeah like BoB, who didnt need MC, FIX, -Y-, D-L, OB, Storm Armada and whatnot to defend the carebears in Querious. Stop listening to your dumb alliance progaganda. Both sides have bandwagons
Sonho	Posted - 2007.10.31 09:25:00 - [31] Originally by: Lyl Libido Hey, I havent been paying attn to whats been goin on up there in cloud due to me not caring about anyone but KOS and its allies, I wanted to ask this question: For an alliance of your size, why did you fall so easily and (from what i have heard) not much, if any, real attempts to defend your space? What gives? I am curious, is all... They died like warriors at least the few that tried to defend their home. KOS would roll over,die ,stab friends ,change to the wining side in the hopes to get some space.
Lianlan Lou Caldari ISK Farmer and Sweatshop INC.	Posted - 2007.10.31 09:30:00 - [32] Originally by: Sonho Originally by: Lyl Libido Hey, I havent been paying attn to whats been goin on up there in cloud due to me not caring about anyone but KOS and its allies, I wanted to ask this question: For an alliance of your size, why did you fall so easily and (from what i have heard) not much, if any, real attempts to defend your space? What gives? I am curious, is all... They died like warriors at least the few that tried to defend their home. KOS would roll over,die ,stab friends ,change to the wining side in the hopes to get some space. ex-LV alt spotted signature goes here
Karunel Princeps Corp	Posted - 2007.10.31 09:30:00 - [33] Was going to give you a serious reply but seeing as the only serious one has been by DeadDuck and anyway it'll be lost in the Goonswarm spamage (gogo GS you're all so witty and fun to read!), not going to bother. ____ Originally by: elbenito The problem with large fleet engagements is that the hamsters stop to watch.
JeanPaul Sartre 26th of July Movement	Posted - 2007.10.31 09:57:00 - [34] My KoS alt is rich just selling wcs in their.. our.. space. -- Quote: If a victory is told in detail, one can no longer distinguish it from a defeat.
Bethy San TARDZ Gods of Night and Day	Posted - 2007.10.31 10:09:00 - [35] Originally by: Sacul Originally by: Bethy San TBH Goons vs TRI, goons would die... so... dunno if YW exactly sucks as if got outclassed lol. goons would outblob us in a day and all our precious ships would sit in lag/desync all day. TRI wants fights not sluggish blob fests. U see how much space we got and gave away...we are just about a homespace and then venture out and have fun. We are not the new Bob and we are not the uber end all atm .. .We want to have pvp fun and take the harsh bitter game mechanics pill that u need to swallow with that in mild and dozed ways! Stop being a fanboi. stop being a bandwagon moron. stop being a defeitist..You have beef with us? fight us! you love us? do so in silence and im sure we will visit u in the night for snuggles! Goons and Bob...enjoy. We have our own fun. goons have to much space.... maybe in the end it would get blobby :D... but u could pull them out, greif their money supply all day and they would crumble away.. goons have alot of fat and dont blob to big to often... and dont have the big bite to go with the bark just an ability to piggy back greater alliances :D
Veinnail Solstice Systems Development Concourse	Posted - 2007.10.31 10:17:00 - [36] Originally by: Sacul Originally by: Bethy San TBH Goons vs TRI, goons would die... so... dunno if YW exactly sucks as if got outclassed lol. goons would outblob us in a day and all our precious ships would sit in lag/desync all day. TRI wants fights not sluggish blob fests. U see how much space we got and gave away...we are just about a homespace and then venture out and have fun. We are not the new Bob and we are not the uber end all atm .. .We want to have pvp fun and take the harsh bitter game mechanics pill that u need to swallow with that in mild and dozed ways! Stop being a fanboi. stop being a bandwagon moron. stop being a defeitist..You have beef with us? fight us! you love us? do so in silence and im sure we will visit u in the night for snuggles! Goons and Bob...enjoy. We have our own fun. /me golf clap SSDC Wants YOU!
Splagada Minmatar Tides of Silence Hydra Alliance	Posted - 2007.10.31 11:10:00 - [37] maybe because tri hurts? :p ------ Proud Janitor of Tides of Silence
xBlood Exanimo Inc Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.10.31 11:18:00 - [38] I think you'll find this topic has been gone over to death. YW did fight, some they won...some they lost, but the numbers put forth by TRI during our primetime were unfightable against (80 capitals...150 battleships). YW were attacked at a weak time of theirs, it isn't suprising that they weren't able to form up large gangs when their new corps had lost all of the assets they had in Fade, and only limited corps still had assets in Cloud Ring. The key to this issue is Morale. As I have no idea what it was like inside YW, maybe someone from their side can comment on this.
Setana Manoro Gallente Firefly Inc.	Posted - 2007.10.31 11:45:00 - [39] Edited by: Setana Manoro on 31/10/2007 11:46:29 Originally by: Lyl Libido Hey, I havent been paying attn to whats been goin on up there in cloud due to me not caring about anyone but KOS and its allies, I wanted to ask this question: For an alliance of your size, why did you fall so easily and (from what i have heard) not much, if any, real attempts to defend your space? What gives? I am curious, is all... When FLA invaded CR about 7-8 months ago, they were pushed back by a lack of help from D2 with capitals, and by MC coming in and helping YW; in return YW went with them further up north. And that was the old YW, present YW is made up mostly of ex-Fallen Souls corps, that were kicked by Tri a lot of times, most of the pvp corps reformed in a new alliance called Styx. So, the YW that got kicked out by Tri is not the old YW. PS: Even the old YW wouldn't have stood a chance. I hope STYX like the new status of BoB pets after giving up their own stations, space and stuff in the north. :) With a bit of luck, maybe BoB will ask just 50% of the normal rent, seing as how you helped them before and that they are asking you to form up in Fountain. :)))))) Originally by: Lianlan Lou Originally by: Sonho Originally by: Lyl Libido Hey, I havent been paying attn to whats been goin on up there in cloud due to me not caring about anyone but KOS and its allies, I wanted to ask this question: For an alliance of your size, why did you fall so easily and (from what i have heard) not much, if any, real attempts to defend your space? What gives? I am curious, is all... They died like warriors at least the few that tried to defend their home. KOS would roll over,die ,stab friends ,change to the wining side in the hopes to get some space. ex-LV alt spotted You don't need to be ex-LV to know that KOS is a piece of crap alliance. o.0 Failgeddon wrecks CCP for XXX annoyed customers !
Malcanis High4Life SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2007.10.31 11:52:00 - [40] Originally by: Bethy San TBH Goons vs TRI, goons would die... so... dunno if YW exactly sucks as if got outclassed Hmmm, you say so, but I'm not sure. I think goonies have proven pretty conclusively that they're not overawed by individual SP superiority. Tri are masters of blitzkreig tactics to be sure, but would they endure the months-long Stalingradeque POS-grinding war that goons would bring? of course in the real world, goons are busy with BoB, and an attack on them would be an attack on the whole coalition, which might be too big a mouthful even for Tri. CONCORD provide consequences, not safety; only you can do that.
Virida Mindstar Technology	Posted - 2007.10.31 11:59:00 - [41] The problem is, its not possible to fight in any realistic fashion against 80 capitals and 150 battleships, to do so, you need your own 80caps and 150 battleships, and you then got: - Two blobs hitting each other, with 160 capitals and 300 battleships, total 460 ships. We all know its not feastible. The size as it was, already crippled some of our ships, when tri's blob camped the cyno POS, we lagged as madness. Only way to fight would be to have a fleet of 100 carriers in system, launch all fighters, warp to POS and say Qa'pla in teamspeak, and watch server crash, and servernode crash while fighters/pos happily kills AFK/crashed ppl. And its no fun, neither for us, or them.
WildCard Gallente SteelVipers YouWhat	Posted - 2007.10.31 12:11:00 - [42] Well, the TRI attack into Fade was complete unexpected at the time they did. Y has had a 2 year nap with em, and what i can tell it was my fault to let em grow such much. A few corps which left Y short before this, removed a couple of towers which wasnÆt replaced at this time and somesystems dropped thier sov down to zero. Also loosting a few MS to the leaving corps wasnÆt a real avantage. But this is an complete other story. Short before all this happend we merged in a a ***load of new corps, which was known under the name ôThe Fallen Soulsö. All thoose guys was more or less out of money, so they wasnÆt able or willing to spend to much in the upcomming war. Next serios problem of corse old and new Y never fight togther before. And as each pvp guy knows thats a serions problem. Also i assume they never real identfied themself with the Fade and Cloud Ring Region. TRI by themselves showed up a brute force with about 160 battleships and about 80 capitals. No question Y wansÆt able to stand vs this fleet. Also I realy donÆt have guys which can spend 23/7 in front of their computer. During this short war a lot of other peeps jumped on the bandwaggon. Not that they count to much for the result, but it gets difficult and more annoing if you get attacked at all corners at once. So there was two options. Waste all the time and ressurces, or use what Darknesss kindly offered and just pull out. And now I have to sort out the good and the ônot that goodö corps within Y a progress which already started. What we will do in the future, well letz see. I personal feel happy to be out of that time consuming pos crap. And guys, for stv I can say: ôWe are not our ships, we are not our stations, we are not our POS and we are not our territoryà.ö For TRI realy respect even if some of ya are annoing in the local, and for most of the bandwaggons you got new ôfriendsö which can now move around as they wantà -WildCard CEO SteelVipers- --- We break for nobody-- --- G4Ever*--
NATMav F.R.E.E. Explorer Atrum Tempestas Foedus	Posted - 2007.10.31 12:22:00 - [43] Originally by: WildCard Well, the TRI attack into Fade was complete unexpected at the time they did. Y has had a 2 year nap with em, and what i can tell it was my fault to let em grow such much. A few corps which left Y short before this, removed a couple of towers which wasnÆt replaced at this time and somesystems dropped thier sov down to zero. Also loosting a few MS to the leaving corps wasnÆt a real avantage. But this is an complete other story. Short before all this happend we merged in a a ****load of new corps, which was known under the name ôThe Fallen Soulsö. All thoose guys was more or less out of money, so they wasnÆt able or willing to spend to much in the upcomming war. Next serios problem of corse old and new Y never fight togther before. And as each pvp guy knows thats a serions problem. Also i assume they never real identfied themself with the Fade and Cloud Ring Region. TRI by themselves showed up a brute force with about 160 battleships and about 80 capitals. No question Y wansÆt able to stand vs this fleet. Also I realy donÆt have guys which can spend 23/7 in front of their computer. During this short war a lot of other peeps jumped on the bandwaggon. Not that they count to much for the result, but it gets difficult and more annoing if you get attacked at all corners at once. So there was two options. Waste all the time and ressurces, or use what Darknesss kindly offered and just pull out. And now I have to sort out the good and the ônot that goodö corps within Y a progress which already started. What we will do in the future, well letz see. I personal feel happy to be out of that time consuming pos crap. And guys, for stv I can say: ôWe are not our ships, we are not our stations, we are not our POS and we are not our territoryà.ö For TRI realy respect even if some of ya are annoing in the local, and for most of the bandwaggons you got new ôfriendsö which can now move around as they wantà Well said WildCard. Managing an alliance split and expansion on that scale would be tedious just by itself. Farham: "Remember, sometimes evolution ends in extinction."
Mr Broker Amarr Station Gremlings	Posted - 2007.10.31 12:27:00 - [44] This is now a war of ideologies, not of ego between alliances. BOB already lost their ego war.
VileLust Minmatar Dark Knights of Deneb Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2007.10.31 12:34:00 - [45] Originally by: Gharthak Originally by: Jonkin Tri will never take on bob, they would risk a war with mc, and they cannot win that All I can say is.. LOL. And.. Can we give up on these pointless threads. MC Vs TRI ? hah... MC doesnt pick fights they know they will lose :) and they would lose in a fight up north against TRI. PootyPooty.
Nlewis GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.10.31 12:34:00 - [46] Originally by: Sakura San Edited by: Sakura San on 31/10/2007 07:42:23 if YouWhat had 15k allies, they would still have space as well, lol. i added a "lol" for goons to understand it as well. I lol'ed
xBlood Exanimo Inc Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.10.31 13:28:00 - [47] Nicely said WildCard...no smack, no bias, nice write up of your side.
Zhaine B e l l u m	Posted - 2007.10.31 13:43:00 - [48] Originally by: Sacul Originally by: Bethy San TBH Goons vs TRI, goons would die... so... dunno if YW exactly sucks as if got outclassed lol. goons would outblob us in a day and all our precious ships would sit in lag/desync all day. TRI wants fights not sluggish blob fests. U see how much space we got and gave away...we are just about a homespace and then venture out and have fun. We are not the new Bob and we are not the uber end all atm .. .We want to have pvp fun and take the harsh bitter game mechanics pill that u need to swallow with that in mild and dozed ways! Stop being a fanboi. stop being a bandwagon moron. stop being a defeitist..You have beef with us? fight us! you love us? do so in silence and im sure we will visit u in the night for snuggles! Goons and Bob...enjoy. We have our own fun. Probably the best post on CAOD in the past. . . . long time.
Lyl Libido The Taining corp Knights Of the Southerncross	Posted - 2007.10.31 14:47:00 - [49] @ people trying to trash KOS. if your trashing us then more then likely your in an alliance that KOS outsurvived so your opinion holds 0 weight....and people always try to say we are backstabbers when it was our allies who war decced us when we made a temp nap to move assets to empire to regroup....funny that. Either way that was over a year ago and you can ask our allies and see if they think we dont enjoy the pew pew. Im not here to bring up the KOS crap, i was just curious about wtf has been happening elsewhere in eve. and if we are so super crappy then there are others way below us such as ISS (who surrendered to us in tene) among others. so talk your jive all you want but KOS is strong and happy. Back to my original topic: either way GG Tri, im sad you guys couldnt get a fight cuz I got some good friends in Tri and know of your pvp abilities. Keep it up I like to see an old-school PVP alliance back in 0.0 power struggles. Its a refreshing thing to see. On that note ill let the trolls and haters do their thing for another several hours -Lyl Libido The Taining Corp
Wesley Baird Murder-Death-Kill	Posted - 2007.10.31 14:50:00 - [50] Originally by: WildCard Well, the TRI attack into Fade was complete unexpected at the time they did. Y has had a 2 year nap with em, and what i can tell it was my fault to let em grow such much. A few corps which left Y short before this, removed a couple of towers which wasnÆt replaced at this time and somesystems dropped thier sov down to zero. Also loosting a few MS to the leaving corps wasnÆt a real avantage. But this is an complete other story. Short before all this happend we merged in a a ****load of new corps, which was known under the name ôThe Fallen Soulsö. All thoose guys was more or less out of money, so they wasnÆt able or willing to spend to much in the upcomming war. Next serios problem of corse old and new Y never fight togther before. And as each pvp guy knows thats a serions problem. Also i assume they never real identfied themself with the Fade and Cloud Ring Region. TRI by themselves showed up a brute force with about 160 battleships and about 80 capitals. No question Y wansÆt able to stand vs this fleet. Also I realy donÆt have guys which can spend 23/7 in front of their computer. During this short war a lot of other peeps jumped on the bandwaggon. Not that they count to much for the result, but it gets difficult and more annoing if you get attacked at all corners at once. So there was two options. Waste all the time and ressurces, or use what Darknesss kindly offered and just pull out. And now I have to sort out the good and the ônot that goodö corps within Y a progress which already started. What we will do in the future, well letz see. I personal feel happy to be out of that time consuming pos crap. And guys, for stv I can say: ôWe are not our ships, we are not our stations, we are not our POS and we are not our territoryà.ö For TRI realy respect even if some of ya are annoing in the local, and for most of the bandwaggons you got new ôfriendsö which can now move around as they wantà Well said Wild, very fair assessment if you ask me.
HotFudge	Posted - 2007.10.31 14:59:00 - [51] I really have to agree with WC (if thats what he was hinting at by his comment of letting tri grow too much) that YW was too passive in the northern political arena after the D2 defeat.
Leilani Solaris Gallente Wreckless Abandon Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.10.31 15:18:00 - [52] It's because TRI have me... I thought that was obvious >Out of Control<
Ozstar Naughty 40 Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.10.31 15:36:00 - [53] Originally by: VileLust MC Vs TRI ? hah... MC doesnt pick fights they know they will lose :) and they would lose in a fight up north against TRI. We dont underestimate anyone, especially battle hardened alliances. ---
Rennard Aku Soku Zan	Posted - 2007.10.31 16:06:00 - [54] Originally by: WildCard Well, the TRI attack into Fade was complete unexpected at the time they did. Y has had a 2 year nap with em, and what i can tell it was my fault to let em grow such much. A few corps which left Y short before this, removed a couple of towers which wasnÆt replaced at this time and somesystems dropped thier sov down to zero. Also loosting a few MS to the leaving corps wasnÆt a real avantage. But this is an complete other story. Short before all this happend we merged in a a ****load of new corps, which was known under the name ôThe Fallen Soulsö. All thoose guys was more or less out of money, so they wasnÆt able or willing to spend to much in the upcomming war. Next serios problem of corse old and new Y never fight togther before. And as each pvp guy knows thats a serions problem. Also i assume they never real identfied themself with the Fade and Cloud Ring Region. TRI by themselves showed up a brute force with about 160 battleships and about 80 capitals. No question Y wansÆt able to stand vs this fleet. Also I realy donÆt have guys which can spend 23/7 in front of their computer. During this short war a lot of other peeps jumped on the bandwaggon. Not that they count to much for the result, but it gets difficult and more annoing if you get attacked at all corners at once. So there was two options. Waste all the time and ressurces, or use what Darknesss kindly offered and just pull out. And now I have to sort out the good and the ônot that goodö corps within Y a progress which already started. What we will do in the future, well letz see. I personal feel happy to be out of that time consuming pos crap. And guys, for stv I can say: ôWe are not our ships, we are not our stations, we are not our POS and we are not our territoryà.ö For TRI realy respect even if some of ya are annoing in the local, and for most of the bandwaggons you got new ôfriendsö which can now move around as they wantà Why don't you just accept that merging with carebears were the worst move you have ever done. I mean didn't you see this coming??? If not, you are not a good leader. Not to mention that you listened and agreed ideas of some people like: Krall Amarr. Krall, if you are reading this, we are still waiting for the day that you gonna purge us from the pure blind. You promised, don't forget... For YW, good luck in fountain. You'll need it...
Sacul Wreckless Abandon Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.10.31 16:59:00 - [55] Originally by: WildCard : ôWe are not our ships, we are not our stations, we are not our POS and we are not our territoryà.ö Well said mate (add "put down the handbook"). I for one assume Y will be back leaner and meaner. The stone age didn't end because we ran out of stones!
Dramaticus GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.10.31 17:07:00 - [56] Originally by: Sacul Originally by: WildCard : ôWe are not our ships, we are not our stations, we are not our POS and we are not our territoryà.ö Well said mate (add "put down the handbook"). I for one assume Y will be back leaner and meaner. I expect them to be as useless and impotent as they've always been.
Darknesss D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.10.31 18:31:00 - [57] Respect to wildcard for his post. I truely do hope you recover as an alliance, and i also hope you wont hold a grudge, if there is a next war between TRI and YouWhat, let it be a completely different war with enjoyable fights. signature removed - please email us to find out why (include a link to the image URL) - Jacques([email protected])
Misfitsa Gallente GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.10.31 18:33:00 - [58] Originally by: Darknesss Respect to wildcard for his post. I truely do hope you recover as an alliance, and i also hope you wont hold a grudge, if there is a next war between TRI and YouWhat, let it be a completely different war with enjoyable fights. trumping your respect with mad respek
Louis DelaBlanche Cosmic Odyssey YouWhat	Posted - 2007.10.31 19:02:00 - [59] Originally by: Misfitsa Originally by: Darknesss Respect to wildcard for his post. I truely do hope you recover as an alliance, and i also hope you wont hold a grudge, if there is a next war between TRI and YouWhat, let it be a completely different war with enjoyable fights. trumping your respect with mad respek restecp all round
jackamo Caldari Southern Cross Incorporated Southern Cross Alliance	Posted - 2007.10.31 20:54:00 - [60] Originally by: xBlood I think you'll find this topic has been gone over to death. YW did fight, some they won...some they lost, but the numbers put forth by TRI during our primetime were unfightable against (80 capitals...150 battleships). YW were attacked at a weak time of theirs, it isn't suprising that they weren't able to form up large gangs when their new corps had lost all of the assets they had in Fade, and only limited corps still had assets in Cloud Ring. The key to this issue is Morale. As I have no idea what it was like inside YW, maybe someone from their side can comment on this. I was in YW when you guys invaded and the day my corporation joined and you were taking C4C Morale was very low Corporations were saying they were leaving everyone was just blaming each other it was pretty pethetic actually.
Nymysys GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.10.31 21:09:00 - [61] Originally by: Bethy San goons have to much space.... maybe in the end it would get blobby :D... but u could pull them out, greif their money supply all day and they would crumble away.. goons have alot of fat and dont blob to big to often... and dont have the big bite to go with the bark just an ability to piggy back greater alliances :D Bethy, it seems to me that you exemplify everything a member of TARDZ should be. You are an asset to your corp.
Last Wolf Templars of Space	Posted - 2007.10.31 22:32:00 - [62] Was it surprising? This is only the... what, 4th time those SAME people have just given up. D2 gave up -> people were absorbed into.... Sparta! They gave up -> those SAME people got absorbed into.... Fallen Souls! They gave up ----> Those SAME people got Absorbed into..... YouWhat! They gave up---> Those SAME people got absorbed into.... No idea, but I can guess what will happen if they have a war! Tri didn't kill Sparta/Fallen Souls/YouWhat. They just killed the same carebears from D2 3 times over that stuck around in the north. NOTE: I'm not saying D2/Sparta/Fallen Souls/YouWhat were all carebears. I'm just saying they had A LOT. They absorbed most of them from these mergers. These carebears were the former D2 or D2 residents that would dock up anytime 1 hostile was reported with in 5 jumps. Trust me, I know. I moved up into branch about 1 month before the "Great War" started. People up there had gotten fat and lazy. After the war started and we were regularly visited by hostiles, I lost a Dominix to a Curse/Crow/Vagabond/Helios group. I was less than 5km off the station in 1IX, There was 30 people in local. So 4 hostiles, Me, and 25 other Blues. I killed the curse, then the other 3 finaly killed me. A good 10 minutes sitting outside the station screaming for help in local/intel chans. I can only imagine simmiler situations for YouWhat seeing that essentially the same people/group of people were Merged into thier Alliance.
Rennard Aku Soku Zan	Posted - 2007.10.31 22:38:00 - [63] Originally by: Last Wolf Was it surprising? This is only the... what, 4th time those SAME people have just given up. D2 gave up -> people were absorbed into.... Sparta! They gave up -> those SAME people got absorbed into.... Fallen Souls! They gave up ----> Those SAME people got Absorbed into..... YouWhat! They gave up---> Those SAME people got absorbed into.... No idea, but I can guess what will happen if they have a war! Tri didn't kill Sparta/Fallen Souls/YouWhat. They just killed the same carebears from D2 3 times over that stuck around in the north. NOTE: I'm not saying D2/Sparta/Fallen Souls/YouWhat were all carebears. I'm just saying they had A LOT. They absorbed most of them from these mergers. These carebears were the former D2 or D2 residents that would dock up anytime 1 hostile was reported with in 5 jumps. Trust me, I know. I moved up into branch about 1 month before the "Great War" started. People up there had gotten fat and lazy. After the war started and we were regularly visited by hostiles, I lost a Dominix to a Curse/Crow/Vagabond/Helios group. I was less than 5km off the station in 1IX, There was 30 people in local. So 4 hostiles, Me, and 25 other Blues. I killed the curse, then the other 3 finaly killed me. A good 10 minutes sitting outside the station screaming for help in local/intel chans. I can only imagine simmiler situations for YouWhat seeing that essentially the same people/group of people were Merged into thier Alliance. You are 100% correct. I have been killing same northern people for 2.5 years now and they change alliance/corp name every month. No doubt they will try to join triumvirate as well, they follow same pattern of survival which is pathetic.
Arakk Caldari VersaTech Interstellar Ltd. SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2007.11.01 02:07:00 - [64] Originally by: Bethykins Goons have close to 5.5k-6k peeps and still they cant take bob them selfs which is half their size they need, RA, iac, -a-, KOS, UL, PL, UR, Ka-tet, Invic, Frege etc etc help to take them lol... Just bob themselves? LOL? According to the map RedSwarm had to fight through 5 regions of BoB allies to get as close as they are to BoB now. OH YEAH, bob suck-ups dont add the pets in comparing the population of forces... only in territory maps, like joshua's!
Scavok GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.11.01 03:38:00 - [65] Originally by: Virida The problem is, its not possible to fight in any realistic fashion against 80 capitals and 150 battleships, to do so, you need your own 80caps and 150 battleships, and you then got: - Two blobs hitting each other, with 160 capitals and 300 battleships, total 460 ships. We all know its not feastible. The size as it was, already crippled some of our ships, when tri's blob camped the cyno POS, we lagged as madness. Only way to fight would be to have a fleet of 100 carriers in system, launch all fighters, warp to POS and say Qa'pla in teamspeak, and watch server crash, and servernode crash while fighters/pos happily kills AFK/crashed ppl. And its no fun, neither for us, or them. Tri can definitely put some epic fleets together, but they're just a 1200 person alliance, I have serious doubts they could get anywhere close to that except at very specific hours of the day. So why would you try to fight this rather than time stront for a better timezone? BoB's a very euro-centric alliance and they used to be able to put together similar fleets in their primetime when they needed it. Despite putting dozens and dozens of our POS into reinforced post rev-2, I could count the number they actually killed on one hand. I guess if your primetime is the same as theirs you'd be kind of screwed though.
gamarus D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.11.01 04:51:00 - [66] Originally by: Scavok Originally by: Virida The problem is, its not possible to fight in any realistic fashion against 80 capitals and 150 battleships, to do so, you need your own 80caps and 150 battleships, and you then got: - Two blobs hitting each other, with 160 capitals and 300 battleships, total 460 ships. We all know its not feastible. The size as it was, already crippled some of our ships, when tri's blob camped the cyno POS, we lagged as madness. Only way to fight would be to have a fleet of 100 carriers in system, launch all fighters, warp to POS and say Qa'pla in teamspeak, and watch server crash, and servernode crash while fighters/pos happily kills AFK/crashed ppl. And its no fun, neither for us, or them. Tri can definitely put some epic fleets together, but they're just a 1200 person alliance, I have serious doubts they could get anywhere close to that except at very specific hours of the day. So why would you try to fight this rather than time stront for a better timezone? BoB's a very euro-centric alliance and they used to be able to put together similar fleets in their primetime when they needed it. Despite putting dozens and dozens of our POS into reinforced post rev-2, I could count the number they actually killed on one hand. I guess if your primetime is the same as theirs you'd be kind of screwed though. Your right, we cant field 150 bs AND 80 capitals at the same time. At the most we have achieved 200 pilots split over 160 bs and 40 support for the final attack on the xzh cynojammer, followed by 70+ capitals backed by whatever bs pilots and support not flying said capitals. And yes, our alliance is heavilly EU TZ; a fact YW pilots capitalized on on a number of occations, bailing out caps on one occation very early in the morning from our viewpoint. If/when TRI squares off with an enemy determined to defend their posses when they exit reinforced/ timing stront for another timezone with defence in mind, I forsee the same slow progress/stalemete/defeats other single timezone alliances have met with. Anyways that's not in the cards right now. As it was said by another member of my alliance, the bitter draught that is POS warfare should be taken in measured doses and with long intervals - may this be extra long
The Mittani GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.11.01 04:53:00 - [67] hi5 to tri they are cool brosefs for kicking out yw got some good chatlogs and hysterical alliance mails out of it esp the krall vs wildcard slapfights
Fokmie	Posted - 2007.11.01 18:46:00 - [68] Originally by: The Mittani hi5 to tri they are cool brosefs for kicking out yw got some good chatlogs and hysterical alliance mails out of it esp the krall vs wildcard slapfights hope to read them at kuguts site soon
Ecid Q'Wulf Caldari Galactic Fighter Syndicate Knights Of the Southerncross	Posted - 2007.11.01 18:57:00 - [69] Originally by: Lyl Libido [...]why did you fall so easily [..] Oh boy, you did not just ask that question, did you? I bet, its like with every other alliance that size, that got, a high-spirited leadership, been there, seen it, learned from it Hi former GUARDians :P ________ A great man once said: "Rabble-Rabble" and "check my Corp-Ticker". Ive you come a across him, make sure to join his ranks (if your not german)
Lyl Libido The Taining corp Knights Of the Southerncross	Posted - 2007.11.01 22:02:00 - [70] Edited by: Lyl Libido on 01/11/2007 22:02:16 as the OP i wanna thank everyone for answering my question! Sounds like there was some fun to be had and GF to both sides. Sorry to hear -Y- got his at possibly the worst time it could have happened. I have gone through that before but eventually KOS is back and having lots of fun. So dont ever give up and keep tryin to see what issues are and then solving them one by one! so thx again all for your responses to my Q <3 Eve PS to all you haters.....you can suck my sweet, delicious white chocolate salty ballz in MP5 if you like (kos's newest station). -Lyl Libido The Taining Corp
Martin Mckenna D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.11.01 23:26:00 - [71] Originally by: Karunel Was going to give you a serious reply but seeing as the only serious one has been by DeadDuck and anyway it'll be lost in the Goonswarm spamage (gogo GS you're all so witty and fun to read!), not going to bother. Exactly why i no longer post here. And ill give you a doller a goon quotes this saying yes you do. ---------------------------------------------
Misfitsa Gallente GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.11.01 23:40:00 - [72] Originally by: Martin Mckenna Originally by: Karunel Was going to give you a serious reply but seeing as the only serious one has been by DeadDuck and anyway it'll be lost in the Goonswarm spamage (gogo GS you're all so witty and fun to read!), not going to bother. Exactly why i no longer post here. And ill give you a doller a goon quotes this saying yes you do. tl;dr
Koba Kyogen byeee Corp Hydra Alliance	Posted - 2007.11.02 01:01:00 - [73] Edited by: Koba Kyogen on 02/11/2007 01:02:00 Originally by: Bethykins Not hard to figure out... TRI lives for pvp... they probably have some of the lowest numbers of carebears from any alliance out there... not to much fat sitting around a well greased fighting machine... They have insane amount of active capital pilots... Tri has pretty much run out of ppl to shoot... its hard for an alliance built on making money and pvp as a recreation to money making(YW) vs a well oiled PVP machine liek TRI. nano greifing gangs go thru all day, caps seiging pos's all day... just got out classed... Goons have close to 5.5k-6k peeps and still they cant take bob them selfs which is half their size they need, RA, iac, -a-, KOS, UL, PL, UR, Ka-tet, Invic, Frege etc etc help to take them lol... true true. TRI is fierce. - but i think Goons etc are solid too Originally by: CCP Sharkbait we are screwed. delaying startup again.
icarus braciolini Omen Incorporated CODE RED ALLIANCE	Posted - 2007.11.02 01:19:00 - [74] tri is good no denying heres the thing... Youwhat first of all was never an amazingly powerful alliance they just flipped sides everytime the going got tough. 2nd of all 1/2 of there numbers are part of sparta... who fell... then merged into Fallen souls who fell... and then joined youwhat and surprise they fell
Kenion THE LEGION OF STEEL WARRIORS.... R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.11.02 01:30:00 - [75] Originally by: DeadDuck Looking at YW history, they removed them selves, and their assets from Cloud Ring when they announced they were aligning with BOB vs D2 and their allies. They were expecting a big invasion that never happen. So they return to the region a while after, and kept all their assets free from harm. Even if the invasion never happened it was a very wise decision at that time. RZR did the same some months ago during the last days of D2, when MC and allies seemed unstopable in the North. They removed them selves to MM space and wait for the dust to settle, then they started to fight and look at where they are now. YW is not dead, they are just waiting for the right time to come back... Right, and you wanna bet that YouWhat could beat TRI? I don't think so... RAZOR got back because T.I.T.S was incapable of holding space. I don't think TRI is incapable... ----------------------------------------------
Bippa	Posted - 2007.11.02 02:01:00 - [76] Edited by: Bippa on 02/11/2007 02:01:41 Originally by: Jonkin Tri will never take on bob, half of TRI are former bob or bob allies Fixed.

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