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Telkwa
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Posted - 2007.11.01 13:07:00 -
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What happened:
I was in my Osprey mining away in 1.0 (Perimeter). I had a regular container beside me, which was mine, with a measly amount of velspar in it. Suddenly this punk comes up to my container and he starts flashing red in the overview and his ship [x] icon also flashes red. I'm thinking what the hell this moron is stealing my ore right in front of me. I opened my container and dragged what ore was in there to the cargo of my ship so he wouldn't steal it. Then the ***** targets me and blows me up, a defenseless miner with no value whatsoever. He was in a Vagabond and took me out with a 220mm Vulcan autocannon II.
Why didn't Concord show up? Why when he goes to steal my container do I get blown up. Why do I have no kill rights against this loser in my Character Sheet? Not that I can kill him with only 1 week into the game anyway. I thought 1.0 space was safe. Do morons always zoom around with there 100 million isk ships killing valueless noobs and getting away with it? If so I say, lame game.
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Elias Modron
Lucretia Seven
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Posted - 2007.11.01 13:09:00 -
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First in epic thread.
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Big Zulu
Minmatar
Iron Eagles
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Posted - 2007.11.01 13:10:00 -
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Second in a whine thread.
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Tek'a Rain
Gallente
Phoenix Logistics Industries
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Posted - 2007.11.01 13:10:00 -
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the can you opened.. was the thieves can, most likely. so you "stole" from them (there was a warning for you) and when you steal from someone they can blow you up.
kinda lame?
perhaps.
at least you can know that Your not that lame, and you have learned something about the desperation for talentless gankers in their quest to find targets.
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Stork DK
Synthetic Frontiers
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Posted - 2007.11.01 13:12:00 -
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1.0 Empire space is not safe...
He took your can and replaced it with his own... So when you took from it you actually stole...
You also get a warning when trying to steal so its always your own fault.
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Telkwa
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Posted - 2007.11.01 13:18:00 -
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I thought I had mentioned that the container was mine.
"I had a regular container beside me, which was mine, with a measly amount of velspar in it."
I didn't steal from him, he was stealing my container!
I'm asking questions not whining thank you very much. If you can't answer questions without flaming then post elsewhere. From what I see this game needs new members/players. Being flippant to new comers only hurts this community and would drive people away. So take your whine comment and shove it.
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Exuscon
Amarr
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Posted - 2007.11.01 13:18:00 -
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Edited by: Exuscon on 01/11/2007 13:19:27
I will gladly open a lamer's can and while he his beating his keyboard trying to get my T2 drones off him , I will unleash a alpha right into his webbed/ws'd sphinctre.
Can ransome this way as well.
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Telkwa
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Posted - 2007.11.01 13:21:00 -
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There was no such warning. I said it contained a measly amount of ore which was still in there that I dragged back over to my cargo hold. IT was not his container. He did not replace it with his. It had 1200 or so ore in it. And the container had a special name on it. My container was in front of me the whole time.
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Exuscon
Amarr
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Posted - 2007.11.01 13:23:00 -
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Edited by: Exuscon on 01/11/2007 13:23:46
 Originally by: Telkwa
There was no such warning. I said it contained a measly amount of ore which was still in there that I dragged back over to my cargo hold. IT was not his container. He did not replace it with his. It had 1200 or so ore in it. And the container had a special name on it. My container was in front of me the whole time.
They can be warned or even banned for baiting new playerbase like that. I suggest you fraps it.
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Fabrica
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Posted - 2007.11.01 13:25:00 -
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Edited by: Fabrica on 01/11/2007 13:25:54
If they place something of theirs in your can, it becomes their can, ive seen it while mining, they put 1 unit of ammo in my can and it turns yellow. keeping all the ore in their aswell.
If you take the ore out, you're then stealing their stuff. Thats why he shot you, and that was his intention from the start.
I've learned one thing, if ore theives come along, just let them take it, or use secure cans.
-- edit: spelling mistake --
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Sgt Blade
An Eye For An Eye
Rule of Three
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Posted - 2007.11.01 13:26:00 -
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untill you get it into your head that 1.0 sec isnt safe then you will not die..... that or just say that eve is lame and you can go play wow or somthing
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Exuscon
Amarr
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Posted - 2007.11.01 13:31:00 -
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I saw a can named Rare loot many of times while flowing by.. I laughed my ass off but, then I was disgusted of what someones intentions was.
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Cipher7
VersaTech Interstellar Ltd.
SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2007.11.01 13:32:00 -
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Okay when you jettison anything, it shows up as a jet can.
Its not really in a can, its floating in space and anybody can take it.
Thus a jet can is a graphic representation of a bunch of "stuff" floating in space.
When he flipped your can, he flashed red, because he stole from you.
Then you opened what you thought was "your" can and stole your stuff back, giving him the right to kill you.
If you want to mine in highsec, find a more quiet place.
Perimeter is not the place to mine.
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Maxpie
Cross Roads
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Posted - 2007.11.01 13:34:00 -
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Sadly there are some unskilled former WoW players who must attempt to kill new players in their WoW-like effort to have meaningless PVP. You ran into one. Best bet is to find a mining spot in a less busy area than Perimeter. You will also be able to get more and better ore with fewer WoW noobs around to bother you.
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Exuscon
Amarr
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Posted - 2007.11.01 13:35:00 -
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Originally by: Cipher7
Okay when you jettison anything, it shows up as a jet can.
Its not really in a can, its floating in space and anybody can take it.
Thus a jet can is a graphic representation of a bunch of "stuff" floating in space.
When he flipped your can, he flashed red, because he stole from you.
Then you opened what you thought was "your" can and stole your stuff back, giving him the right to kill you.
If you want to mine in highsec, find a more quiet place.
Perimeter is not the place to mine.
Other peoples jetisoned can can also be renamed by the thief.
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Sphynx Stormlord
Gallente
Anqara Tech
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Posted - 2007.11.01 13:40:00 -
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It has been sugested that there may be an exploit involving spliting stacks which means that when you took 'your' ore into your hold, you were in fact stealing 'his' ore, thus making you a valid target for a fight.
To find out if this is an exploit, first do some tests with a friend. Then, if it works, petition explaining the situation and describing how the potential exploit works. The GM's will inform you if it is an exploit, and take suitable measures if it is.
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Telkwa
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Posted - 2007.11.01 13:41:00 -
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Edited by: Telkwa on 01/11/2007 13:42:14
I played WoW for 6 months, in the end it's 98% tedious grinding/farming and 2% fun. So I quit.
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Unfortunatly , I joined a few corps that their life consisted of PVP with the new players in high sec space rather than venturing a bit deeper in the game and actualy having a challenge. Sure wish a majority of the corps that allow this nonsense would use that in their recruitment pitches!
Isn't this what secure space is supposed to prevent.
The only way he could have used my container to bait me is if he placed one or two velspar inside the container on top of the stack already in there. So you're telling me I can go up to any unsecured container drop an item in the container and now the container is mine?
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Exuscon
Amarr
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Posted - 2007.11.01 13:44:00 -
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Edited by: Exuscon on 01/11/2007 13:44:29
Originally by: Telkwa
Edited by: Telkwa on 01/11/2007 13:42:14
I played WoW for 6 months, in the end it's 98% tedious grinding/farming and 2% fun. So I quit.
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Unfortunatly , I joined a few corps that their life consisted of PVP with the new players in high sec space rather than venturing a bit deeper in the game and actualy having a challenge. Sure wish a majority of the corps that allow this nonsense would use that in their recruitment pitches!
Isn't this what secure space is supposed to prevent.
The only way he could have used my container to bait me is if he placed one or two velspar inside the container on top of the stack already in there. So you're telling me I can go up to any unsecured container drop an item in the container and now the container is mine?
They have to leave it to keep the worthless still playing. He probaly has 1mil sp and does not have the patience to be a decent pilot.
Some peoples idea of EVE PvP is nothing but, this.
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Telkwa
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Posted - 2007.11.01 13:48:00 -
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Originally by: Cipher7
Okay when you jettison anything, it shows up as a jet can.
Its not really in a can, its floating in space and anybody can take it.
Thus a jet can is a graphic representation of a bunch of "stuff" floating in space.
When he flipped your can, he flashed red, because he stole from you.
Then you opened what you thought was "your" can and stole your stuff back, giving him the right to kill you.
If you want to mine in highsec, find a more quiet place.
Perimeter is not the place to mine.
Ok that makes sense but why was there no response from a Concord NPC from the first offense which was "stealing" my container or is a container theft too minor for Concord NPC's to respond to?
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Exuscon
Amarr
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Posted - 2007.11.01 13:50:00 -
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Edited by: Exuscon on 01/11/2007 13:55:13
Edited by: Exuscon on 01/11/2007 13:51:00
Originally by: Telkwa
Originally by: Cipher7
Okay when you jettison anything, it shows up as a jet can.
Its not really in a can, its floating in space and anybody can take it.
Thus a jet can is a graphic representation of a bunch of "stuff" floating in space.
When he flipped your can, he flashed red, because he stole from you.
Then you opened what you thought was "your" can and stole your stuff back, giving him the right to kill you.
If you want to mine in highsec, find a more quiet place.
Perimeter is not the place to mine.
Ok that makes sense but why was there no response from a Concord NPC from the first offense which was "stealing" my container or is a container theft too minor for Concord NPC's to respond to?
By game mechanics Concord should have killed you both ,imo.... Griefing always exists in some form or another in most PvP games. This kind just happens to be the worst. Here the newest of the new playerbase is affected from the start. CCP should really think about this. Offering trial accounts out the Waz00 is a rookie idea but, being able to actualy keep that prospect subscriber is where the skill is at. (not talking about sweat shops here)
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Fswd
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Posted - 2007.11.01 13:56:00 -
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Originally by: Telkwa
Isn't this what secure space is supposed to prevent.
No, concord provides punishment, not protection
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Willow Whisp
Sadist Faction
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Posted - 2007.11.01 13:56:00 -
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Originally by: Telkwa
Originally by: Cipher7
Okay when you jettison anything, it shows up as a jet can.
Its not really in a can, its floating in space and anybody can take it.
Thus a jet can is a graphic representation of a bunch of "stuff" floating in space.
When he flipped your can, he flashed red, because he stole from you.
Then you opened what you thought was "your" can and stole your stuff back, giving him the right to kill you.
If you want to mine in highsec, find a more quiet place.
Perimeter is not the place to mine.
Ok that makes sense but why was there no response from a Concord NPC from the first offense which was "stealing" my container or is a container theft too minor for Concord NPC's to respond to?
His "Flashing Red" means that CONCORD would have not intervened had you decided to attack this guy. A long time ago, there was nothing you could do if someone stole your can. The miners and other people whined about "Ore theft" so much, that CCP introduced "Can Ownership", and if anyone steals from your can, they are criminally flagged TO YOU, and therefore, you are free to defend your containers that way.
Much Rejoicing ensued, until they realized that if a small defenseless ship attacked a combat fit vessel they would die, and if the combat fit vessel switched containers, and the victim tried to take the items back, then the combat vessel could legally attack and kill them.
SO there is the why the game mechanic works as it does right now.
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Admiral Nova
Strike Team Nova
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Posted - 2007.11.01 13:58:00 -
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Originally by: Telkwa
Ok that makes sense but why was there no response from a Concord NPC from the first offense which was "stealing" my container or is a container theft too minor for Concord NPC's to respond to?
Too minor... You are allowed to respond, however it's not wise to unless you know you will win ;)
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Exuscon
Amarr
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Posted - 2007.11.01 14:02:00 -
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Edited by: Exuscon on 01/11/2007 14:05:05
Originally by: Willow Whisp
Originally by: Telkwa
Originally by: Cipher7
Okay when you jettison anything, it shows up as a jet can.
Its not really in a can, its floating in space and anybody can take it.
Thus a jet can is a graphic representation of a bunch of "stuff" floating in space.
When he flipped your can, he flashed red, because he stole from you.
Then you opened what you thought was "your" can and stole your stuff back, giving him the right to kill you.
If you want to mine in highsec, find a more quiet place.
Perimeter is not the place to mine.
Ok that makes sense but why was there no response from a Concord NPC from the first offense which was "stealing" my container or is a container theft too minor for Concord NPC's to respond to?
His "Flashing Red" means that CONCORD would have not intervened had you decided to attack this guy. A long time ago, there was nothing you could do if someone stole your can. The miners and other people whined about "Ore theft" so much, that CCP introduced "Can Ownership", and if anyone steals from your can, they are criminally flagged TO YOU, and therefore, you are free to defend your containers that way.
Much Rejoicing ensued, until they realized that if a small defenseless ship attacked a combat fit vessel they would die, and if the combat fit vessel switched containers, and the victim tried to take the items back, then the combat vessel could legally attack and kill them.
SO there is the why the game mechanic works as it does right now.
It is griefing at its finest in a new player starting area.
why dont we just take the locks off of all the cans?
When you noobs quit messing with new players in high sec you might actualy learn to play the game. I will whine for the new player all day. They do not have to!
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Admiral Nova
Strike Team Nova
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Posted - 2007.11.01 14:05:00 -
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Originally by: Exuscon
By game mechanics Concord should have killed you both ,imo.... Griefing always exists in some form or another in most PvP games. This kind just happens to be the worst. Here the newest of the new playerbase is affected from the start. CCP should really think about this. Offering trial accounts out the Waz00 is a rookie idea but, being able to actualy keep that prospect subscriber is where the skill is at. (not talking about sweat shops here)
Interestingly such mechanics are what prevents macro miners from mining like that, because other players spot them and even the most timid players become enraged and respond the way concord lets them ;) . So it appears they have now taken to returning to the station after every full load.
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Detrol
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.11.01 14:07:00 -
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Originally by: Telkwa
Ok that makes sense but why was there no response from a Concord NPC from the first offense which was "stealing" my container or is a container theft too minor for Concord NPC's to respond to?
Suppose concord would react to stealing:
This guy comes along and steals your stuff, quickly drops it in his container, then 1 sec later Concord shows up and kills his ship for stealing from your can.
You watch with pleasure what happens, when the dust settles, you open his can, take back your stuff from HIS can and then wonder why Concord now starts shooting at you.
Is that what you want? 
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Lithel
Shadows of the Dead
Aftermath Alliance
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Posted - 2007.11.01 14:07:00 -
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He took all your ore, stuck it in his own can real quick, and then you stole from his can, giving him the rights to shoot you.
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Exuscon
Amarr
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Posted - 2007.11.01 14:08:00 -
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Originally by: Admiral Nova
Originally by: Exuscon
By game mechanics Concord should have killed you both ,imo.... Griefing always exists in some form or another in most PvP games. This kind just happens to be the worst. Here the newest of the new playerbase is affected from the start. CCP should really think about this. Offering trial accounts out the Waz00 is a rookie idea but, being able to actualy keep that prospect subscriber is where the skill is at. (not talking about sweat shops here)
Interestingly such mechanics are what prevents macro miners from mining like that, because other players spot them and even the most timid players become enraged and respond the way concord lets them ;) . So it appears they have now taken to returning to the station after every full load.
Not a good excuse for the mechanic, must I offer 3 better ones ?
A fair trade that would be.
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Saffin
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Posted - 2007.11.01 14:14:00 -
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Edited by: Saffin on 01/11/2007 14:14:36
Edited by: Saffin on 01/11/2007 14:14:14
Originally by: Fswd
Originally by: Telkwa
Isn't this what secure space is supposed to prevent.
No, concord provides punishment, not protection
This is perfectly correct concord is not like the police, they are not interested in crime prevention. Just that you pay the price for your crime - namely loss your ship. Concord do not consider thief a crime, but give the right to the victim to protect their property. Thief is a new concept, in the past jettisoning was equilivant to throwing something away. Someone could take stuff from jettisoned cans as it was just rubbish in space (effectively). However very early in Eve jet can mining was invented (by players, never designed by CCP) but has been around so long CCP have accepted it. Thus they implemented the criminal flagging.
My advice unless you have corp mates in local (only player corp though i believe) if someone flashes red to you then just leave them and "your" can. Best option is to not mine solo and to mine in groups with a dedicated hauler, or just run 2 accounts - one hauling, can just use a trial account for this.
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Exlegion
Caldari
New Light
Hydra Alliance
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Posted - 2007.11.01 14:17:00 -
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The best weapon against these attention-whoring kiddies is to ignore them. When they come by just stay put, watch TV for a bit, surf the net, or read your emails. Let them waste their time waiting for their "glorious" moment of exciting PVP. They get bored quickly.
One of us equals many of us. Disrespect one of us, you'll see plenty of us. - Guru |
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