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Moraguth Amarr Shiva Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2007.11.02 06:40:00 - [1] So, I totally see why maybe the Sabre would need to have it's speed nerfed. It can get kinda silly. But then again, I have to remind myself that I think most of the fast minmatar ships need to have their speed nerfed, or maybe just polycarbon rigs. Maybe it's just cause i'm amarr, i don't know. Anyway.... Does anyone know why CCP is deciding to nerf ALL interdictor speeds on sisi? I can't rationalize it. good game
Hozac	Posted - 2007.11.02 07:17:00 - [2] Probably thought they were too close to interceptor speeds...
MotherMoon Huang Yinglong Namtz'aar k'in	Posted - 2007.11.02 07:18:00 - [3] this is to make the carrier pilots happy. I don't mind it's still damn fast. ----------------------------------- I'm working my way through college target CCP need...more room...
Irob Urore Amarr Viziam	Posted - 2007.11.02 07:27:00 - [4] its hard enough to stay alive in one as it is, oh those brave brave men and there flying mach...coffins
Golden Helmet Caldari Finite Horizon Synchr0nicity	Posted - 2007.11.02 07:34:00 - [5] CCP doesn't fly dictors apparently. They die a hell of a lot already. I've lost count of all the dictors I've lost. Dictors are fine as they are, no need to nerf them. Go away and nerf something else CCP
Laechyd Eldgorn Caldari Karjala Inc. Onnenpyora	Posted - 2007.11.02 07:47:00 - [6] There is no need for nerfing dictors. However other dictors are kind of meh compared to sabre so dictors need balancing so they would be on somewhat equal line all of them. Just for example: sabre > flycatcher, why? sabre = more speed, more shield buffer (with 75% em resist) Can't talk much about other ones since I got no clue, but only way fly a dictor is speed tanking because you're tackler and if you don't have mwd you don't catch anyone. If you don't speed thank those suicide ships you have a problem of dying even more easily. Making all dictors slower would be just completely dumb. Imho.
Myz Toyou Rionnag Alba Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.11.02 08:11:00 - [7] Edited by: Myz Toyou on 02/11/2007 08:13:03 We Mataris could fly so fast because we dont cover our eyes with silly looking robes to look cool. Maybe someday, when you Amarrian scum accept that you should not fly blind then CCP will give you also fast ships -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Your signature image exceeds the maximum allowed filesize of 24000 bytes -Sahwoolo Etoophie ([email protected])
Eck Hauler X.S. Industries	Posted - 2007.11.02 08:14:00 - [8] I use an Eris for salvaging.....so im not pleased by this :( Really though, isnt having to train interceptors up the reason for it having a high speed? I assumed an interdictor was a cross between a destroyer and an interceptor
Icarus Starkiller Minmatar	Posted - 2007.11.02 08:15:00 - [9] Dictors are fast for a reason... so they can get the heck out of their own damn bubbles fast enough to escapw whomever they've warpjammed. Well, that was the intention, anyway. I usually see them running just the other way, trying to get the web on, the last shot in, or first loot opportunity. Yeah, they die alot doing that. - Life is pain...anyone who says differently is selling something.
Zenobite The Black Fleet	Posted - 2007.11.02 08:36:00 - [10] Originally by: Moraguth .. Does anyone know why CCP is deciding to nerf ALL interdictor speeds on sisi? I can't rationalize it. Must have been the first ship class out of the hat, probaly another hat full of random nerfs.
Iyanah Minmatar Native Freshfood	Posted - 2007.11.02 09:28:00 - [11] Originally by: Irob Urore its hard enough to stay alive in one as it is, oh those brave brave men and there flying mach...coffins well, given that i'm not a dictor pilot, i'm not gonna complain, i like popping them :P i will say that it's possibly an attempt to make the new hactordictors look more useful? ========================================== Wah, Wah, Wah. deal with it.
Pattern Clarc Infinitus Odium The Church.	Posted - 2007.11.02 09:40:00 - [12] with the scripts, the HIC's are very useful. The interdictor nerf was totally unnecessary. "Now follow this link to enlightenment"
Doxs Roxs White Wolves Defence league The OSS	Posted - 2007.11.02 09:46:00 - [13] Originally by: Laechyd Eldgorn Just for example: sabre > flycatcher, why? sabre = more speed, more shield buffer (with 75% em resist) While you are correct that this change was unwarranted becouse it will make this suicidal ship class even more suicidal I would like to add for the record that the Sabre has 10% EM resists on the shields. Where you get that 75% figure I have no idea, but no interdictor gets T2 resists. Regards /Doxs After 9 months of being a "!" face, I now discover that Im butt ugly instead...
Kumq uat Gallente Round Table Enterprises Drunken N Disorderly	Posted - 2007.11.02 10:02:00 - [14] I do find it weird that a Sabre flies faster than my speed fit Ares. Just isnt right. www.eve-pirate.com author and goat molestor.
Malcanis High4Life SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2007.11.02 10:28:00 - [15] Can the AFs have any speed that the dictor pilots don't need pls. puppy eyes CONCORD provide consequences, not safety; only you can do that.
Kweel Nakashyn Minmatar Aeden Tau Ceti Federation	Posted - 2007.11.02 10:54:00 - [16] Nerfing dictors ? Why ? Don't they explode enough allready ? 2isk
Doxs Roxs White Wolves Defence league The OSS	Posted - 2007.11.02 15:01:00 - [17] Originally by: Kumq uat I do find it weird that a Sabre flies faster than my speed fit Ares. Just isnt right. That has nothing to do with the Sabre itself. The Ares is lighter and has more low slots for speed mods. With similar skills, implants and isk spent on fittings a speed fit Ares will ALWAYS outrun a Sabre. Regards /Doxs After 9 months of being a "!" face, I now discover that Im butt ugly instead...
Andreya Murder-Death-Kill	Posted - 2007.11.02 15:28:00 - [18] Originally by: Doxs Roxs Originally by: Kumq uat I do find it weird that a Sabre flies faster than my speed fit Ares. Just isnt right. That has nothing to do with the Sabre itself. The Ares is lighter and has more low slots for speed mods. With similar skills, implants and isk spent on fittings a speed fit Ares will ALWAYS outrun a Sabre. Regards /Doxs and a heretic with speed mods matched with a sabre is only 7% slower. not only that, it can hit outside web range, the sabre can NOT.... so, back off the sabre please. both the heretic and sabre are great, the flycatcher is great for small gangs (it can fit ewar) .. but yea, the eris sucks :) _________________________________________________________ Only once you've lost everything, are you free to do anything.
Moraguth Amarr Shiva Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2007.11.02 15:49:00 - [19] Originally by: Andreya Originally by: Doxs Roxs Originally by: Kumq uat I do find it weird that a Sabre flies faster than my speed fit Ares. Just isnt right. That has nothing to do with the Sabre itself. The Ares is lighter and has more low slots for speed mods. With similar skills, implants and isk spent on fittings a speed fit Ares will ALWAYS outrun a Sabre. Regards /Doxs and a heretic with speed mods matched with a sabre is only 7% slower. not only that, it can hit outside web range, the sabre can NOT.... so, back off the sabre please. both the heretic and sabre are great, the flycatcher is great for small gangs (it can fit ewar) .. but yea, the eris sucks :) I love my heretic, I never knew it could go that fast. Hmmmm.... I guess sabre's aren't that out of line then. I just hate how all the ships i love to fly seem to be getting the nerf bat lately. 18.5M sp in spaceship command, and I feel like my choices are being taken away from me, this just doesn't seem right to me :( good game
Princess Jodi Vendetta Underground Rule of Three	Posted - 2007.11.02 15:51:00 - [20] I hope CCP is taking a stab at reducing Speed Tanking. As someone who rarely goes over 100m/s, seeing a Dictor fly in at 10k/sec seems unbalanced. Plus, arn't Dictor bubbles going to be kinda momentum-based now? I thought I read something about dropping a bubble and warping out that indicated they might move a bit, like the Heavy Dictors will.
Alex Harumichi Gallente Gradient Electus Matari	Posted - 2007.11.02 15:58:00 - [21] Sabre was maybe a bit borderline-overpowered, but the others... meh. The Eris was already beyond sad, and now they nerf the speed, too?
Drykor Minmatar Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.11.02 16:08:00 - [22] Originally by: Princess Jodi I hope CCP is taking a stab at reducing Speed Tanking. As someone who rarely goes over 100m/s, seeing a Dictor fly in at 10k/sec seems unbalanced. Plus, arn't Dictor bubbles going to be kinda momentum-based now? I thought I read something about dropping a bubble and warping out that indicated they might move a bit, like the Heavy Dictors will. Please don't pull numbers out of your ass. A RIGGED t2 Sabre (aux thruster rigs, costing about 12M each) with normal skills (navi 5, acceleration control 4) will do 4996 m/s. You are looking at about 65M cost here, this is already a pimped setup. If you insure your battleship, you will lose LESS isk for losing one than with this. A polycarbon setup (rigs costing 50M EACH) with a maxed out pilot will do 6390 m/s. This setup costs about 140M and requires extensive focussed skilltraining. You can add about 400 m/s if you put 60M worth of implants in your head. The only way to get a Sabre up to your ridiculous suggestion is by putting several billions worth of snakes in your head. If you want to argue against snakes, please do so, but don't wreck interdictors.
Asssassin X Caldari	Posted - 2007.11.02 17:09:00 - [23] Originally by: Princess Jodi I hope CCP is taking a stab at reducing Speed Tanking. As someone who rarely goes over 100m/s, seeing a Dictor fly in at 10k/sec seems unbalanced. Plus, arn't Dictor bubbles going to be kinda momentum-based now? I thought I read something about dropping a bubble and warping out that indicated they might move a bit, like the Heavy Dictors will. I'm prolly one of the few people here that will admit that I fly a 10k+ Sabre without gang bonus's.... But lets see what I have to do to get that, first off, all of my nav skills are maxed. But lets break out the numbers and costs of what I have paid to reach that speed: Sabre cost: who cares. 2x Poly Carbon Rigs cost: 40mil EACH so 80 mil total Gistii MWD: 150mil (on a good day) snakes, shaq's speed, zor, rogue2's: over a bil, easy. So yea, i guess if you want to call me going 10k+ over powered because your BS that goes 200m/s can't catch me, i'll accept it. But then again, 1 mod could possibly be more expensive than your entire fitted BS. Also, awesome i go 10k+ sweet, if i want to shoot anything i HAVE to get within web range. If i get web'd i will die quickly. sorry but i don't think this ship is over powered.
Moraguth Amarr Shiva Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2007.11.02 17:18:00 - [24] Originally by: Asssassin X Originally by: Princess Jodi I hope CCP is taking a stab at reducing Speed Tanking. As someone who rarely goes over 100m/s, seeing a Dictor fly in at 10k/sec seems unbalanced. Plus, arn't Dictor bubbles going to be kinda momentum-based now? I thought I read something about dropping a bubble and warping out that indicated they might move a bit, like the Heavy Dictors will. I'm prolly one of the few people here that will admit that I fly a 10k+ Sabre without gang bonus's.... But lets see what I have to do to get that, first off, all of my nav skills are maxed. But lets break out the numbers and costs of what I have paid to reach that speed: Sabre cost: who cares. 2x Poly Carbon Rigs cost: 40mil EACH so 80 mil total Gistii MWD: 150mil (on a good day) snakes, shaq's speed, zor, rogue2's: over a bil, easy. So yea, i guess if you want to call me going 10k+ over powered because your BS that goes 200m/s can't catch me, i'll accept it. But then again, 1 mod could possibly be more expensive than your entire fitted BS. Also, awesome i go 10k+ sweet, if i want to shoot anything i HAVE to get within web range. If i get web'd i will die quickly. sorry but i don't think this ship is over powered. I agreed with you right up till the end there. I've gotten a web on any number of 10km/s nono ships. The problem is, their momentum carries them outside the web range very easily, so they can just run away. good game
Stakhanov The Good Fellas	Posted - 2007.11.02 17:23:00 - [25] Nano sabres are a common sight on sisi , I suppose that's the reason behind the nerf. Their speed is excessive with high grade snakes , but who in their right mind would bring those in a normal (read : lagged) 0.0 battlefield full of bubbles ? Originally by: F'nog One does not simply log into Jita.
Asssassin X Caldari	Posted - 2007.11.02 17:25:00 - [26] Originally by: Moraguth I agreed with you right up till the end there. I've gotten a web on any number of 10km/s nono ships. The problem is, their momentum carries them outside the web range very easily, so they can just run away. I can agree with that, however that means they are doing a drive by, and doing little to no dmg. If they want to do DMG they will have to be orbiting you inside of 10km so if you web them they won't sling shot out, they will just slow down and be screwed. Thus being pretty easy to kill.
Moraguth Amarr Shiva Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2007.11.02 17:46:00 - [27] Originally by: Asssassin X Originally by: Moraguth I agreed with you right up till the end there. I've gotten a web on any number of 10km/s nono ships. The problem is, their momentum carries them outside the web range very easily, so they can just run away. I can agree with that, however that means they are doing a drive by, and doing little to no dmg. If they want to do DMG they will have to be orbiting you inside of 10km so if you web them they won't sling shot out, they will just slow down and be screwed. Thus being pretty easy to kill. Okay, but if we're gonna be honest, the point of flying a dictor is NOT to do damage. it's to drop bubbles. the damage is just a nice bonus. good game
Asssassin X Caldari	Posted - 2007.11.02 17:52:00 - [28] Originally by: Moraguth Okay, but if we're gonna be honest, the point of flying a dictor is NOT to do damage. it's to drop bubbles. the damage is just a nice bonus. To drop bubbles and run away, who would fly a dictor if it ment that all you were good for was droping 1 bubble and enjoying the rest of the fight on teamspeak looking at the inside of the station in your new clone.
Hozac	Posted - 2007.11.02 17:56:00 - [29] Originally by: Asssassin X Originally by: Moraguth Okay, but if we're gonna be honest, the point of flying a dictor is NOT to do damage. it's to drop bubbles. the damage is just a nice bonus. To drop bubbles and run away, who would fly a dictor if it ment that all you were good for was droping 1 bubble and enjoying the rest of the fight on teamspeak looking at the inside of the station in your new clone. So you prefer enjoying the rest of the fight from a safe spot? How about dropping a bubble and sticking around to shoot some stuff with those fancy guns?
Asssassin X Caldari	Posted - 2007.11.02 17:58:00 - [30] Originally by: Hozac Originally by: Asssassin X Originally by: Moraguth Okay, but if we're gonna be honest, the point of flying a dictor is NOT to do damage. it's to drop bubbles. the damage is just a nice bonus. To drop bubbles and run away, who would fly a dictor if it ment that all you were good for was droping 1 bubble and enjoying the rest of the fight on teamspeak looking at the inside of the station in your new clone. So you prefer enjoying the rest of the fight from a safe spot? How about dropping a bubble and sticking around to shoot some stuff with those fancy guns? not quite sure what your point is.. but shrug

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