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Rells Caldari Agony Unleashed Agony Empire	Posted - 2007.11.02 06:42:00 - [1] Edited by: Rells on 02/11/2007 06:42:32 Its a daily occurrence that someone posts something well thought out and reasoned and instead of disagreeing with them like an adult and debating the issue, they have to be a jerk. They attack other poeple personally, flame, toss accusations and so on. Cant people just bloody growup? No ... dont answer that question, I already know the answer. This place is sewer. Full of people that use internet anonymity to do things that would earn them two knocked out teeth in real life. P.S. If you are going to reply and flame, have some balls and post with your main. Four years is long enough to leave the corp interface broken!
Schina3	Posted - 2007.11.02 06:44:00 - [2] TOO STUPID DID NOT READ
Ather Ialeas Amarr Exercitus Solus	Posted - 2007.11.02 06:45:00 - [3] EVE is all about not being nice to others, people just carry it over to forums. Or like Sgt. Cole in Gears of War would put it, "It's a ******* party down here." (ironically to your post he said that while standing in a sewer) -
Rells Caldari Agony Unleashed Agony Empire	Posted - 2007.11.02 06:46:00 - [4] Originally by: Schina3 TOO STUPID DID NOT READ Go to the sporting goods store and buy some balls. Four years is long enough to leave the corp interface broken!
ChimeraRouge Caldari Eve University Ivy League	Posted - 2007.11.02 06:46:00 - [5] die in a fire please, in RL
General StarScream THE DECEPTIC0NS	Posted - 2007.11.02 06:48:00 - [6] dude get real you blob fight in game, you have no ide what your talking about cuse of this, and boost amarr they stink, allso caldri cant pvp, since my missile allways hit for full dam and never miss. oh ya i cant use drones in my 75m Drone bay, since it like wont fit 5 heavy drones so it does no extra dam with drones. and like with my officer fitted cnr i can plow lvl4 missions , so make them harder pls pls, and amarr stink. Sig Removed. Dont use inappropriate language in sigs -Kaemonn
Rells Caldari Agony Unleashed Agony Empire	Posted - 2007.11.02 06:50:00 - [7] Originally by: ChimeraRouge die in a fire please, in RL A perfect example. This is a forum about a game. Its a mode of entertainment and because someone posts something you dont like you want them to actually die in real life? You are a living example of the trash of humanity. I suppose you want my wife and 2 children to die in that same fire and wish you could start it as well? Four years is long enough to leave the corp interface broken!
Surfin's PlunderBunny Minmatar mUfFiN fAcToRy	Posted - 2007.11.02 06:50:00 - [8] Originally by: Liz Kali Tic Toc Tic Toc , time is ticking I owned someone on forums!!!
Sokratesz Rionnag Alba Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.11.02 06:58:00 - [9] but i try my best
Darken Two Gallente Cruororis Consors Conlegium Ivy League	Posted - 2007.11.02 07:00:00 - [10] I'm nice. Originally by: Blind Fear Generally, when trying to be a puppetmaster, it is considered good form not to wrap the strings around your neck and choke yourself.

shinsushi	Posted - 2007.11.02 07:00:00 - [11] Originally by: Rells Edited by: Rells on 02/11/2007 06:57:10 Originally by: ChimeraRouge die in a fire please, in RL A perfect example. This is a forum about a game. Its a mode of entertainment and because someone posts something you dont like you want them to actually die in real life? You are a living example of the trash of humanity. I suppose you want my wife and 2 children to die in that same fire and wish you could start it as well? Edit: Oh and by the way you worthless ball of garbage, I have seen people die in fires in real life when I was a volunteer firefighter, it is painful and misery. They cry out to you for help and there is nothing you can do for them. No amount of drugs you give them can take away the pain as their skin peels off like burnt cheese and the flesh underneath is revealed, cooked like meat in an oven. Their eyes solidify under the intense heat and they can barely see you. Its a horrible way to die and you never forget it. When I was 22 I saw a family of three die that way. You sir dont know a thing about anything. You are a piece of worthless trash. Another pathetic child hurling insults at people like that without the slightest idea of what you are talkign about. Dude, not that I do not agree with you, you are right. I am part of the problem. The thing is, your feeding the trolls, responding to these types of post will just encourage more of them. Until the mod team gets their stuff together, this and all of the forums are going to be bad... It started out with "can I have your stuff" and has progressively gotten worse. Your beef should be with the moderators, not the idiots (of which I am one) ☺☻☺☻☺ SO how do you get me to stop posting? Bump this thread Until devs answer
Jenny Spitfire Caldari	Posted - 2007.11.02 07:02:00 - [12] Edited by: Jenny Spitfire on 02/11/2007 07:02:45 Rells, I understand how you feel. Trust me, I know. :( Maybe I shouldn't post with my main anymore ... --------- Technica impendi Caldari generis. Pax Caldaria! Kali is for KArebearLIng. I 100% agree with Avon. Female EVE gamers? Mail Zajo or visit WGOE.Public in-game.
Frug Zenithal Harvest	Posted - 2007.11.02 07:06:00 - [13] Originally by: Jenny Spitfire Edited by: Jenny Spitfire on 02/11/2007 07:02:45 Rells, I understand how you feel. Trust me, I know. :( Maybe I shouldn't post with my main anymore ... No, you really shouldn't. Carebear lover. - - - - - - - - - Do not use dotted lines - - - - - - - If you think I'm awesome, say BOOO BOOO!! - Ductoris Neat look what I found - Kreul Hey, my marbles
Transcendant One	Posted - 2007.11.02 07:12:00 - [14] Reading your posts is as interesting as counting grains of sand. To answer your question: because they can.
MotherMoon Huang Yinglong Namtz'aar k'in	Posted - 2007.11.02 07:13:00 - [15] Originally by: Jenny Spitfire Edited by: Jenny Spitfire on 02/11/2007 07:02:45 Rells, I understand how you feel. Trust me, I know. :( Maybe I shouldn't post with my main anymore ... same here not everyone suks. but I am I jerk in-game when I want to be. but I keep that **** to in-game and COAD. ----------------------------------- I'm working my way through college target CCP need...more room...
Hannobaal Gallente The Scope	Posted - 2007.11.02 07:17:00 - [16] Trolls are best ignored, Rells.
Mr Bodacious mUfFiN fAcToRy	Posted - 2007.11.02 07:23:00 - [17] people troll just because they can incite aggression in other people and remain anonymous. if someone told me to my face that they wished my family would die in a fire and my 2 children/wife would die horribly in front of my eyes, i'd punch the guy right in the teeth. course, you can't kick the sh*t out of somebody here when they say something out of line, so thats why they do it.
Kazuma Saruwatari	Posted - 2007.11.02 07:26:00 - [18] Its the internet, Rells. Thankfully you can grief people out of EVE if you want. Its been done before by more unsavory characters anyhow - Odd Pod Out, a blog of EVE Online
Trebor Notlimah Lone Star EVE Group PURGE.	Posted - 2007.11.02 07:29:00 - [19] Originally by: Rells <CRY ME A RIVER> P.S. If you are going to reply and flame, have some balls and post with your main. We're all jerks cause your mom never called any of us back..... BURN!!!! <3 Treb
Irob Urore Amarr Viziam	Posted - 2007.11.02 07:31:00 - [20] So your the sort of person that goes around knocking peoples teeth out in real life, then you wonder why people like being anonymous. Interesting.

Transcendant One	Posted - 2007.11.02 07:34:00 - [21] Typical internet tough guy.
Rells Caldari Agony Unleashed Agony Empire	Posted - 2007.11.02 07:36:00 - [22] Originally by: shinsushi Dude, not that I do not agree with you, you are right. I am part of the problem. The thing is, your feeding the trolls, responding to these types of post will just encourage more of them. Until the mod team gets their stuff together, this and all of the forums are going to be bad... It started out with "can I have your stuff" and has progressively gotten worse. Your beef should be with the moderators, not the idiots (of which I am one) No, its not the moderators fault. Its the fault of the people doing it. It is up to YOU whether to flame or act like a reasonable person. Dont try to push the responsibility on others. You are responsible for your actions. Four years is long enough to leave the corp interface broken!
Morn Judith Caldari Incognito Inc	Posted - 2007.11.02 07:39:00 - [23] Ok. One thing about this game that you'll hear relentlessly is that it is cold, dark, and ruthless. If the game is like this, it's because the players are. If the players are like this, the forums are. So either adapt and deal with it, or give me all you stuff and go join Hello Kitty Online! Originally by: CCP Oveur The client handles no logic, it is simply a dumb terminal.
Rells Caldari Agony Unleashed Agony Empire	Posted - 2007.11.02 07:40:00 - [24] Edited by: Rells on 02/11/2007 07:41:37 Originally by: Irob Urore So your the sort of person that goes around knocking peoples teeth out in real life, then you wonder why people like being anonymous. Interesting. If someone threatened my family or my children or called my wife a ***** in RL, you better believe they would be counting themselves lucky to be just picking themselves up off the ground with a groggy head. There are truly repulsive things said here. Ive seen people getting called pedophiles, told to commit suicide, told that they should die and a ton of other things that would at least earn them a trip to the dentist office in real life. This is called social boundaries. Your actions have consequences and you better think about them before you do them. But then again properly raised and taught individuals wouldn't do this stuff, not because of the consequences but just because it is wrong. EDIT: I dont wonder why they want to be anonymous. The reason is simple. Cowardice and malice in combination. Four years is long enough to leave the corp interface broken!
Gorthauran Amarr Throne of Tragedy	Posted - 2007.11.02 07:42:00 - [25] Rells, I fully agree man. The forums are trash...the whole "EVE is the mature gaming community" thing went out the window long ago sadly. Smack talk is the disease that has bled out of game and now fully infested these forums.
Khes	Posted - 2007.11.02 07:42:00 - [26] To OP, most of the forum posters are kids and will not understand what you say for several years. It just won't take. Tell them to be civile and they "Mooooahhhaahahha shut the m****** **, I will OWWWWN U!" They WILL understand though it will take some time. The forum is only as hostile as the blindest forum mod. If I were a forum mod I would for example simply bann the one naming the fire thing and others like them in an education purpose. And after a while when the forum population learnt that if you write stuff like that you can not write anything anymore.
Frug Zenithal Harvest	Posted - 2007.11.02 07:42:00 - [27] coughsgoonscoughs - - - - - - - - - Do not use dotted lines - - - - - - - If you think I'm awesome, say BOOO BOOO!! - Ductoris Neat look what I found - Kreul Hey, my marbles
Rells Caldari Agony Unleashed Agony Empire	Posted - 2007.11.02 07:44:00 - [28] Originally by: Morn Judith Ok. One thing about this game that you'll hear relentlessly is that it is cold, dark, and ruthless. If the game is like this, it's because the players are. If the players are like this, the forums are. So either adapt and deal with it, or give me all you stuff and go join Hello Kitty Online! There is a very CLEAR distinction between pvp and being told to die in real life horribly in a fire. If you cant see that then perhaps you need better parenting or a trip to a psychologist. I would NEVER tell someone to die in a fire in RL even in the game and I am well known for not being a carebear. I shouldnt have to be explaining this line in the sand tyo you, your parents should have already done that job. Four years is long enough to leave the corp interface broken!
Rells Caldari Agony Unleashed Agony Empire	Posted - 2007.11.02 07:48:00 - [29] Originally by: El'Niaga The problem is that CCP is not willing to police the forums. They created a game that encourages cheating, thieving, lying and other activities without consequence. They clearly have no control in some forums anymore. Most of what is posted in CAOD anymore is nothing more than trolls, flames, insults etc. What they should do is lock down most of the forums. Then have it tied to the game. To post on the forum other than perhaps general discussions should require a role in a corporation. It should also take isk to post. No isk in corp wallet no posting. NPC corps can't post since you don't have access to NPC corp wallet. Again, you cant lay the problem on CCP. People need to take responsibility for their own actions and their own words and not simply shirk it off on moderators not doing their job. If people would act like adults around here, there would be no need for moderators. Four years is long enough to leave the corp interface broken!
shinsushi	Posted - 2007.11.02 07:49:00 - [30] Originally by: Rells Originally by: El'Niaga The problem is that CCP is not willing to police the forums. They created a game that encourages cheating, thieving, lying and other activities without consequence. They clearly have no control in some forums anymore. Most of what is posted in CAOD anymore is nothing more than trolls, flames, insults etc. What they should do is lock down most of the forums. Then have it tied to the game. To post on the forum other than perhaps general discussions should require a role in a corporation. It should also take isk to post. No isk in corp wallet no posting. NPC corps can't post since you don't have access to NPC corp wallet. Again, you cant lay the problem on CCP. People need to take responsibility for their own actions and their own words and not simply shirk it off on moderators not doing their job. If people would act like adults around here, there would be no need for moderators. Dude, your living in a fantasy world. This is how it is, it isn't going to change. Deal with it. ☺☻☺☻☺ SO how do you get me to stop posting? Bump this thread Until devs answer

Rells Caldari Agony Unleashed Agony Empire	Posted - 2007.11.02 07:51:00 - [31] Originally by: shinsushi Originally by: Rells Originally by: shinsushi Dude, not that I do not agree with you, you are right. I am part of the problem. The thing is, your feeding the trolls, responding to these types of post will just encourage more of them. Until the mod team gets their stuff together, this and all of the forums are going to be bad... It started out with "can I have your stuff" and has progressively gotten worse. Your beef should be with the moderators, not the idiots (of which I am one) No, its not the moderators fault. Its the fault of the people doing it. It is up to YOU whether to flame or act like a reasonable person. Dont try to push the responsibility on others. You are responsible for your actions. Relying on individuals un-monitored to make the right choices is a weak and naive. I fully admit I am abusive in the forum I post in, I respond in kind to what I get. Self-moderation + anonymity is a recipe for disaster. IF you choose to par-take in such a forum, don't be shocked when someone acts offensively. This basically says that people on the forum, yourself included by your own admission, are refuse and irresponsible individuals that cannot control themselves without the presence of a nanny. Is that what you are? Stop worrying about other people and start with yourself. YOU can stop being abusive on the forum without assistance from a moderator. You CHOOSE not to stop. It isnt the moderator's fault for your choices. Four years is long enough to leave the corp interface broken!
Frug Zenithal Harvest	Posted - 2007.11.02 07:53:00 - [32] Originally by: Rells This basically says that people on the forum, yourself included by your own admission, are refuse and irresponsible individuals that cannot control themselves without the presence of a nanny. Is that what you are? Stop worrying about other people and start with yourself. YOU can stop being abusive on the forum without assistance from a moderator. You CHOOSE not to stop. It isnt the moderator's fault for your choices. Only YOU can stop forum fires. - - - - - - - - - Do not use dotted lines - - - - - - - If you think I'm awesome, say BOOO BOOO!! - Ductoris Neat look what I found - Kreul Hey, my marbles
PrettyGirlsMakeGraves	Posted - 2007.11.02 07:53:00 - [33] The angrier you get the more lols for us and the more we win. Keep on fuming.
El'Niaga Minmatar Republic Military School	Posted - 2007.11.02 07:56:00 - [34] While I agree that people should be responsible, the blame still lies in CCPs court for allowing a lawless situation. CCPs lack of enforcing its on rules in the past has led to the nearly untenable situation we have on the forums today. The only way they'll ever clean it up is to really ***** down, and remember there are many players who are not adults.
Rells Caldari Agony Unleashed Agony Empire	Posted - 2007.11.02 07:56:00 - [35] Originally by: shinsushi Dude, your living in a fantasy world. This is how it is, it isn't going to change. Deal with it. I am dealing with it. You came in my thread and posted a reply and I responded to that. People in this day and age are too ready to pass blame on to something else. "Its the guns," says someone watching a shooting incident. "Its the drugs," says someone about urban crime. "Its the schools" says a parent that doesnt want to teach their child. "Its the TV" says another parent with a teenager that cant think for themself. Wrong 4 times in a row. On every account it was the person. A gun doesnt leap up of its own accord and shoot people. Drugs dont force a person to commit armed robery and no one forces the person to do drugs. Its the aprent that doesnt want to take the time off from watching TV to help the kids with the homework and its the parent using TV as a babysitter instead of getting their child into things that will develop their mind. STOP BLAMING OTHERS and look in the bloody mirror. Four years is long enough to leave the corp interface broken!
Keldjos Falzir GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.11.02 07:56:00 - [36] Oh, my dear, sweet Rells. You just don't understand, do you? There are two kinds of troll. Both are trying to get a rise out of you because impotent words of angry internet people amuse them. One group says things like "die in a fire" because they are being meta-funny. It's funny because, in cold reality, nobody in their right mind would wish death by burning on another person, yet thin skinned losers like you take it seriously. This is funny. The second type of troll says things like "die in a fire" because they don't like other people and would desperately love to be able to douse all the idiots they encounter online and in real life in kerosene and dance as they burn, because they see no value in most human life. For various reasons, this is usually impossible, so they stick to getting jollies my trolling thin skinned losers like you. Now, with this understood, I heartily encourage you to play in traffic before you can breed. Or, if you have already bred, make it a family affaire.
Mr 0'Leary	Posted - 2007.11.02 07:58:00 - [37] Give me a freaking break people. People will be people, some people are mean. Deal with it. Seriously, quit tossing around this 'internet anomynity' crap. People are mean in real life to. If you cant take it than quit reading it. Most the people who make threads like this are enjoying the attention it brings them anyway, even if it is negetive.
Rells Caldari Agony Unleashed Agony Empire	Posted - 2007.11.02 07:58:00 - [38] Originally by: PrettyGirlsMakeGraves The angrier you get the more lols for us and the more we win. Keep on fuming. The fact that you find this humorous, in addition to you posting with an alt shows your lack of courage and lack of ethical code. Four years is long enough to leave the corp interface broken!
Amastat	Posted - 2007.11.02 07:58:00 - [39] Originally by: El'Niaga The problem is that CCP is not willing to police the forums. They created a game that encourages cheating, thieving, lying and other activities without consequence. They clearly have no control in some forums anymore. Most of what is posted in CAOD anymore is nothing more than trolls, flames, insults etc. What they should do is lock down most of the forums. Then have it tied to the game. To post on the forum other than perhaps general discussions should require a role in a corporation. It should also take isk to post. No isk in corp wallet no posting. NPC corps can't post since you don't have access to NPC corp wallet. Directly from the eve-online.com forum Rules of Conduct: 4. Be respectful of others at all times. The purpose of the forum is to provide a platform for the exchange of ideas. Occasionally, there will be conflicts that arise when people voice opinions. Be courteous when disagreeing with others. It is possible to disagree without being insulting. 5. Ranting is prohibited A rant is a post which is long-winded, redundant and filled with angry, non-constructive comments. A free exchange of ideas is essential to building a strong sense of community and helpful in the development of the game, but rants are disruptive and incite flaming and trolling. Please post your thoughts in a concise, clear manner and avoid going off on rambling tangents. 6. Personal attacks are prohibited. Commonly known as flaming, personal attacks are posts which are designed to personally berate or insult another. Text of this nature is not beneficial to the community spirit and will not be tolerated. Corporation, faction members and other players are cautioned to avoid allowing an "in character" dispute become an "out of character" personal attack. The game is designed for role playing and/or portraying a role and it is sometimes easy for tempers to flare when the lines between the virtual world and the real world are crossed. Keep in-game disputes in the game and off the forum, please, unless it is clearly a mutual, in character exchange. 7. Trolling is prohibited. Trolling is the word used to describe a post that is deliberately designed for the purpose of angering and insulting the members of the forum community. Posts of this nature are disruptive and do not convey a friendly attitude. If CCP doesn't enforce this I guess that means that they don't have enough people to moderate or the moderators are not doing their join. File a complaint about how you feel about it or to find out why they are not doing anything.
Frug Zenithal Harvest	Posted - 2007.11.02 07:58:00 - [40] He's right you know. - - - - - - - - - Do not use dotted lines - - - - - - - If you think I'm awesome, say BOOO BOOO!! - Ductoris Neat look what I found - Kreul Hey, my marbles

shinsushi	Posted - 2007.11.02 07:58:00 - [41] Originally by: Rells Originally by: shinsushi Originally by: Rells Originally by: shinsushi Dude, not that I do not agree with you, you are right. I am part of the problem. The thing is, your feeding the trolls, responding to these types of post will just encourage more of them. Until the mod team gets their stuff together, this and all of the forums are going to be bad... It started out with "can I have your stuff" and has progressively gotten worse. Your beef should be with the moderators, not the idiots (of which I am one) No, its not the moderators fault. Its the fault of the people doing it. It is up to YOU whether to flame or act like a reasonable person. Dont try to push the responsibility on others. You are responsible for your actions. Relying on individuals un-monitored to make the right choices is a weak and naive. I fully admit I am abusive in the forum I post in, I respond in kind to what I get. Self-moderation + anonymity is a recipe for disaster. IF you choose to par-take in such a forum, don't be shocked when someone acts offensively. This basically says that people on the forum, yourself included by your own admission, are refuse and irresponsible individuals that cannot control themselves without the presence of a nanny. Is that what you are? Stop worrying about other people and start with yourself. YOU can stop being abusive on the forum without assistance from a moderator. You CHOOSE not to stop. It isnt the moderator's fault for your choices. Hey, I am not blaming anyone else for my actions per-say. I actually have fun **ing off some people, lots and lots of fun. It sounds like your more ed of about escapism than anything else. Really though, people are not all decent. IRL I am about as polite a person as you will ever meet. On here, behind the guise of an alt, I enjoy **ing off people I believe to false represent things by doing much the same. You know what keeps that in-check... moderation. There are people much worse than me, and lots and lots of them too. Just like you cannot blame a moderator for ones choices, you cannot make those choices for them either. Your values mean very little to someone that was raised in an entirely different society from your own. Your acting like your crap doesn't stink, but even in this very thread you act condescendingly towards others with opposite views. You carry the same emotion behind your words as they do, they just phrase it differently, and aren't afraid to dispose of the niceties. ☺☻☺☻☺ SO how do you get me to stop posting? Bump this thread Until devs answer
Amarria Black Clan Anthraxx	Posted - 2007.11.02 07:59:00 - [42] Because the Forum Game is just as much a facet of EVE as is the rest of it. Don't believe me? I wonder how many people took one devblog (carrier nerf) and drastically changed their current and future gameplay as a result? Oh, and die slow in a car fire.
Cara Cunilingus Minmatar Pator Tech School	Posted - 2007.11.02 07:59:00 - [43] Originally by: Keldjos Falzir Now, with this understood, I heartily encourage you to play in traffic before you can breed. Or, if you have already bred, make it a family affaire. I endorse this message.
Frug Zenithal Harvest	Posted - 2007.11.02 08:00:00 - [44] I mean the guy who said you're thin skinned and taking this way too seriously. He's right. Not this guy quoting the ToS. That's just stupid. You're also sort of right, about the forums. They're broken. But flipping out and making it so funny to watch you flip out won't help matters. - - - - - - - - - Do not use dotted lines - - - - - - - If you think I'm awesome, say BOOO BOOO!! - Ductoris Neat look what I found - Kreul Hey, my marbles
Amastat	Posted - 2007.11.02 08:00:00 - [45] Also a side note - if you want to help see to it that trolling and so on is dealt with - file a petition yourself. If they don't look for the trollers themselves, you have a report sitting in their petition bin that needs to be checked at one point or another.
Alex Harumichi Gallente Gradient Electus Matari	Posted - 2007.11.02 08:01:00 - [46] Edited by: Alex Harumichi on 02/11/2007 08:04:04 Originally by: Rells Edited by: Rells on 02/11/2007 06:42:32 Its a daily occurrence that someone posts something well thought out and reasoned and instead of disagreeing with them like an adult and debating the issue, they have to be a jerk. They attack other poeple personally, flame, toss accusations and so on. Cant people just bloody growup? I don't know the reason, really. I suspect it's a factor of two things: - Most people here are probably pretty young. Kids tend to think acting like a moron is cool. - The moderation here is pretty non-existent, as far as personal attacks and flaming goes. When I compare this to another forum I frequent a lot (rpg.net, the difference is striking. There, any personal attack gets you a warning, a temp ban or a permanent ban in extreme cases. As a result, it's one of the most pleasant and civilized forums I know. Yes, we have flamefests (oh boy...), but they tend not to resort to the schoolkid behaviour I tend to see here.
Rells Caldari Agony Unleashed Agony Empire	Posted - 2007.11.02 08:02:00 - [47] Originally by: Keldjos Falzir Oh, my dear, sweet Rells. You just don't understand, do you? First of all Im not yours and the only persons in my life entitled to address me that way are my family. Second of all, I understand the situation fully. Its quite simple. A whole generation of morons growing up thinking honor is silly encumberment, ethics are old fashioned, cheating is just another tactic and lieing, stealing and so on are only bad if you get caught. I understand all too well. And yes, if you made your suggestion concerning traffic to my face youw ouwld find yourself on the floor wondering what just happened. Four years is long enough to leave the corp interface broken!
Frug Zenithal Harvest	Posted - 2007.11.02 08:04:00 - [48] - - - - - - - - - Do not use dotted lines - - - - - - - If you think I'm awesome, say BOOO BOOO!! - Ductoris Neat look what I found - Kreul Hey, my marbles
Amastat	Posted - 2007.11.02 08:05:00 - [49] For those that have to put up with rude personalities just ignore it... thats a age long rule of how to tolerate ignorant people. Petition it - wither its answered and dealt with or not, you will not potentially get in trouble for making counter remarks to those people if you play things that way. They may end up getting a warning or a temporary ban at the least even. And besides, its not worth getting upset over people like that.
shinsushi	Posted - 2007.11.02 08:05:00 - [50] Originally by: Rells Originally by: Keldjos Falzir Oh, my dear, sweet Rells. You just don't understand, do you? First of all Im not yours and the only persons in my life entitled to address me that way are my family. Second of all, I understand the situation fully. Its quite simple. A whole generation of morons growing up thinking honor is silly encumberment, ethics are old fashioned, cheating is just another tactic and lieing, stealing and so on are only bad if you get caught. I understand all too well. And yes, if you made your suggestion concerning traffic to my face youw ouwld find yourself on the floor wondering what just happened. Your hopeless man. Words have a control over you that they should not. You give them power, and the person who needs to learn restraint is you. Guess whos fault it is that YOU read the forums? Guess whos fault it is that YOU let it get to you? YOU are a hypocrite, and yes, I would gladly say that to your face, in front of your pastor and kids in a church. ☺☻☺☻☺ SO how do you get me to stop posting? Bump this thread Until devs answer

Amarria Black Clan Anthraxx	Posted - 2007.11.02 08:06:00 - [51] Originally by: Alex Harumichi Originally by: Rells Edited by: Rells on 02/11/2007 06:42:32 Its a daily occurrence that someone posts something well thought out and reasoned and instead of disagreeing with them like an adult and debating the issue, they have to be a jerk. They attack other poeple personally, flame, toss accusations and so on. Cant people just bloody growup? I don't know the reason, really. I suspect it's a factor of two things: - Most people here are probably pretty young. Kids tend to think acting like a moron is cool. - The moderation here is pretty non-existent, as far as personal attacks and flaming goes. It's not just kids. Reference the John Gabriel Greater Internet F***wad Theory. Adults exhibit the same behavior.
Alex Harumichi Gallente Gradient Electus Matari	Posted - 2007.11.02 08:07:00 - [52] Originally by: Amarria Black It's not just kids. Reference the John Gabriel Greater Internet F***wad Theory. Adults exhibit the same behavior. Yeah, don't I know it.
Keldjos Falzir GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.11.02 08:07:00 - [53] Rells, baby, you need to have some agression issues looked at. Or live in a tiny dip**** town. I tell people to play in traffic and hang themselves all the time in real life. It's actually JUST AS FUNNY. Probably more so since you gt to see them sputter in flabbergasted shock. Also, tough guy act? Doesn't work on the internets. You have no idea what I look like, who I might be, and I similarly have no idea what you look like. For all you know, I'm 7'4", 320lbs and have 5% body fat. ...yeah okay, not so much.
shinsushi	Posted - 2007.11.02 08:07:00 - [54] Originally by: Amarria Black Originally by: Alex Harumichi Originally by: Rells Edited by: Rells on 02/11/2007 06:42:32 Its a daily occurrence that someone posts something well thought out and reasoned and instead of disagreeing with them like an adult and debating the issue, they have to be a jerk. They attack other poeple personally, flame, toss accusations and so on. Cant people just bloody growup? I don't know the reason, really. I suspect it's a factor of two things: - Most people here are probably pretty young. Kids tend to think acting like a moron is cool. - The moderation here is pretty non-existent, as far as personal attacks and flaming goes. It's not just kids. Reference the John Gabriel Greater Internet F***wad Theory. Adults exhibit the same behavior. I love penny-arcade. ☺☻☺☻☺ SO how do you get me to stop posting? Bump this thread Until devs answer
Rells Caldari Agony Unleashed Agony Empire	Posted - 2007.11.02 08:10:00 - [55] Edited by: Rells on 02/11/2007 08:14:00 Edited by: Rells on 02/11/2007 08:11:10 Originally by: Keldjos Falzir Rells, baby, you need to have some agression issues looked at. Or live in a tiny dip**** town. I tell people to play in traffic and hang themselves all the time in real life. It's actually JUST AS FUNNY. Probably more so since you gt to see them sputter in flabbergasted shock. Also, tough guy act? Doesn't work on the internets. You have no idea what I look like, who I might be, and I similarly have no idea what you look like. For all you know, I'm 7'4", 320lbs and have 5% body fat. ...yeah okay, not so much. Your size is irrelevant. You would still be on the floor. The fact that you find that stuff funny shows that you are a sicko that needs to be punched in the teeth. I have never said that to anyone and even the thought of it is repulsive. If I heard my son utter that to anyone he would grounded for a month at least and wish he never had. Morality, Honor and Ethics arent just words in a dictionary. Edit: It makes me wonder what you woudl do if you said that to someone havbing problems and they actually did do it and die. You would probably think that hillarious. Four years is long enough to leave the corp interface broken!
Verite Rendition Caldari F.R.E.E. Explorer Atrum Tempestas Foedus	Posted - 2007.11.02 08:13:00 - [56] Edited by: Verite Rendition on 02/11/2007 08:14:53 Originally by: Amastat If CCP doesn't enforce this I guess that means that they don't have enough people to moderate or the moderators are not doing their join. File a complaint about how you feel about it or to find out why they are not doing anything. Frankly, the problem is that they fired ISD without coming up with a real plan on what to do with them gone. The GMs, bless their normally competent souls, are few in number in the first place, and right now are all off partying on an official company vacation leaving no one to tend to the forums. CCP needs more operations staff, and they should be working full time even if it is Fanfest; the rest of the world and the rest of the EVE players are not on vacation. Rells is completely right however, people are already getting away with too much stuff even on a normal day. The players need to be held to a higher standard and properly dealt with when they can't adhere to that standard. ---- FREE Explorer Lead Megalomanic EVE Automated Influence Map
Sicil Fioet Minmatar	Posted - 2007.11.02 08:13:00 - [57] People troll for the same reason why they troll everywhere else on the internet and grief in internet spaceship games. Now the real question is why does it bother you?
Rells Caldari Agony Unleashed Agony Empire	Posted - 2007.11.02 08:13:00 - [58] Originally by: Keldjos Falzir Rells, baby, you need to have some agression issues looked at. Oh and another point. Its not my agression. At the point you have attacked my family physically or emotionally, it becomes incumbent upon me to defend them. Its simple newtonian law. Each action has a reaction. YOu have the CHOICE of not saying that. If you CHOOSE otherwise you incur the possible reaction. Four years is long enough to leave the corp interface broken!
Lexa Falzir	Posted - 2007.11.02 08:14:00 - [59] Okay, lemme level with you Rells. Comedy is in the audience. Telling depressed people to kill themselves, not so much of the funny. Telling whiney, easily offended mooks to go kill themselves and take their likely whiney, easily offended families with them, lots of the funny. "Size is irrelevant" ung, you're one of THOSE people. You mystic anger powers and offended morality will let you topple the very mountains!!! Get a life, get some therapy, and get a grip on reality, honey.
Keldjos Falzir GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.11.02 08:15:00 - [60] whoops, Lexa's mine

kanojo1969	Posted - 2007.11.02 08:16:00 - [61] Frankly I'm astonished this has come from the CEO of a pretty decent sized organisation....it sounds like a complaint from a trial account. Not that I disagree - SA/4Chan et al were amusing a few years ago but their modus operandi and mutual forum bukkake is now just annoying and lame; wherever it appears on the web. It's about as cool as David Copperfield. And this is from someone who used to love Lowtax back when he got the sack from Planetquake and SA was no more than a lonely sperm in the giant ballsack that is his brain. The CAOD forum is a joke now, I cannot seriously believe that CCP thinks threads consisting entirely of goons masturbating each other is what alliance politics in this game is supposed to be about. This, more than any nerfs or lag issues is what will eventually drive me from this game. But, to your original point: Vile and altogether disproportionately aggressive behaviour is an emergent property of anonymous communities. You cannot blame people because it's clearly a fundamental part of human nature. Especially when the bulk of the community is made of people whose real lives have been spent largely as the victims instead of the aggressors. I.E. Nerds. I know it's a gross generalisation and is becoming less true every year but I think it's still generally correct. In other words, any weakly-moderated forum on the web will turn into the cesspit you describe. It's CCP's fault that they are unable or unwilling to keep their own forums up to the standards that well-adjusted mature people would expect. Just give up and visit SHC instead. Not only is there a lot less rubbish, but the people there actually know something about the game.
Venkul Mul Gallente	Posted - 2007.11.02 08:17:00 - [62] Originally by: Rells Originally by: Schina3 TOO STUPID DID NOT READ Go to the sporting goods store and buy some balls. Originally by: Rells They attack other poeple personally, flame, toss accusations and so on. Cant people just bloody growup? You don't see come contradiction in your posts?
Amarria Black Clan Anthraxx	Posted - 2007.11.02 08:19:00 - [63] Originally by: Rells Your size is irrelevant. You would still be on the floor. The fact that you find that stuff funny shows that you are a sicko that needs to be punched in the teeth. I have never said that to anyone and even the through of it is repulsive. If I heard my son utter that to anyone he would grounded for a month at least and wish he never had. Morality, Honor and Ethics arent just words in a dictionary. See this? This, right here? We call this trollbait. It's the part where you make wild-assed statements that are barely above grunting and which elicit an immediate Pavlovian response from said trolls. It's like an internet version of the call-and-response of the liturgy. And you wonder why you seem to encounter so many. While trolling is bad, walking through the ghetto @ 4am discussing loudly just how drunk you are while wearing a miniskirt and a t-shirt that says "*****ME" is going to elicit a specific response. Perhaps if you dropped the Internet Tough Guy routine, trolls wouldn't respond in kind.
Keldjos Falzir GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.11.02 08:20:00 - [64] Originally by: Rells Originally by: Keldjos Falzir Rells, baby, you need to have some agression issues looked at. Oh and another point. Its not my agression. At the point you have attacked my family physically or emotionally, it becomes incumbent upon me to defend them. Its simple newtonian law. Each action has a reaction. YOu have the CHOICE of not saying that. If you CHOOSE otherwise you incur the possible reaction. Wait... do you live in some anarchic society? Because, for those of us in the first world nations anyway, there are typically social organizations (called the "police force" and "judiciary" and even "mental health institutions") which handle that kind of thing, at least in most cases.
Chromakey Dreamcoat Caldari Model Of Aggression	Posted - 2007.11.02 08:22:00 - [65] Rells, the internet's toughest dude.
shinsushi	Posted - 2007.11.02 08:23:00 - [66] Rells, how about this? We all all hear playing a game. In this game we maliciously attack other people playing the game with the intent to do harm to their in-game character. Do you feel remorse about this? No, its just a game. Guess what the forums are? Part of the game. Calm down. These insults tossed around are just a chance to explore your violent, insulting, posturing, arrogant selves. Its not real... Sure, you would defend your family in real life, anyone would. If you attack someone over mere words, you cross the line from self-defense to zealotry. ☺☻☺☻☺ SO how do you get me to stop posting? Bump this thread Until devs answer
Wobbly McShakesalot	Posted - 2007.11.02 08:23:00 - [67] Edited by: Wobbly McShakesalot on 02/11/2007 08:24:34 I have to say Rells, I like guys like you because when I insult you people in real life you get all macho and try to fight to protect your honour but in reality you'd get your ass-kicked, internet tough-guy. You should carry on responding to the trolls in this thread though, you're the best thing on Eve-o right now. edit: "At the point you have attacked my family physically or emotionally, it becomes incumbent upon me to defend them. Its simple newtonian law. Each action has a reaction." I'm assuming you're just really fat to have to bring Newtonian physics into this.
Lexa Falzir	Posted - 2007.11.02 08:24:00 - [68] Edited by: Lexa Falzir on 02/11/2007 08:24:35 Originally by: shinsushi Rells, how about this? We all all hear playing a game. In this game we maliciously attack other people playing the game with the intent to do harm to their in-game character. Do you feel remorse about this? No, its just a game. Guess what the forums are? Part of the game. Calm down. These insults tossed around are just a chance to explore your violent, insulting, posturing, arrogant selves. Its not real... Sure, you would defend your family in real life, anyone would. If you attack someone over mere words, you cross the line from self-defense to comedy. Fixed that for you
Rells Caldari Agony Unleashed Agony Empire	Posted - 2007.11.02 08:24:00 - [69] Originally by: Keldjos Falzir Originally by: Rells Originally by: Keldjos Falzir Rells, baby, you need to have some agression issues looked at. Oh and another point. Its not my agression. At the point you have attacked my family physically or emotionally, it becomes incumbent upon me to defend them. Its simple newtonian law. Each action has a reaction. YOu have the CHOICE of not saying that. If you CHOOSE otherwise you incur the possible reaction. Wait... do you live in some anarchic society? Because, for those of us in the first world nations anyway, there are typically social organizations (called the "police force" and "judiciary" and even "mental health institutions") which handle that kind of thing, at least in most cases. No. Im old fashioned in that I believe in honor and responsibility. I dont need the police to fight for me in this circumstance. They are better off catching the really nasty people. One lowlife scum with a big mouth can be dealt with without bothering the police. Four years is long enough to leave the corp interface broken!
Sirial Soulfly	Posted - 2007.11.02 08:25:00 - [70] It would become a lot less if you would remove some of eve's freedoms. If you would show on the forums what characters are all tied to what account and also the ability yo see which accounts are all of one person then people would be a lot more careful how they come across, but alas this will never happen.

Akita T Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2007.11.02 08:25:00 - [71] Disagreeing with people and calling them morons or somesuch on grounds of some action they did or thing they posted is acceptable... telling them to "go die" is rude as hell, but borderline acceptable... yet real-life threats and racist comments are reason enough for a shiny ban. If they keep it down to an acceptable level, I guess you'd call it an argument and leave it at that. If somebody crosses that line, report them and have their asses banned. Simple as that. _ 1\|2\|3
Amarria Black Clan Anthraxx	Posted - 2007.11.02 08:27:00 - [72] Originally by: Sirial Soulfly It would become a lot less if you would remove some of eve's freedoms. If you would show on the forums what characters are all tied to what account and also the ability yo see which accounts are all of one person then people would be a lot more careful how they come across, but alas this will never happen. IRL addresses and phone numbers would work, too.
Keldjos Falzir GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.11.02 08:27:00 - [73] Edited by: Keldjos Falzir on 02/11/2007 08:30:21 Oh baby, you're taking the moral high ground now. Hit people for words, Rells, it makes you a big man. Guess what, it's the post modern era, baby-doll, Morality, Ethics and Honor are all subjective. If you're so old fashioned you can't cope, I have to recommend euthanasia to your kids, before they have to deal with you. edit: thank you Frug.
Frug Zenithal Harvest	Posted - 2007.11.02 08:28:00 - [74] Edited by: Frug on 02/11/2007 08:29:05 The term "forum bukkake" made me laugh pretty hard. edit: keldjos, it's spelled "Euthanasia" get a spell checker numbnuts. - - - - - - - - - Do not use dotted lines - - - - - - - If you think I'm awesome, say BOOO BOOO!! - Ductoris Neat look what I found - Kreul Hey, my marbles
Keldjos Falzir GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.11.02 08:28:00 - [75] Edited by: Keldjos Falzir on 02/11/2007 08:29:20 Originally by: Amarria Black Originally by: Sirial Soulfly It would become a lot less if you would remove some of eve's freedoms. If you would show on the forums what characters are all tied to what account and also the ability yo see which accounts are all of one person then people would be a lot more careful how they come across, but alas this will never happen. IRL addresses and phone numbers would work, too. That would be funny. Very, very funny.... edit: it's funny because I happen to know a few forum *****s live near me. Interthreats+booze+RL addressess= comedy one way or another
Rells Caldari Agony Unleashed Agony Empire	Posted - 2007.11.02 08:29:00 - [76] Originally by: Keldjos Falzir Morality, Ethics and Honor are all subjective. If you're so old fashioned you can't cope, I have to recommend euphanasia to your kids, before they have to deal with you. More demonstration of the trash of humanity. Four years is long enough to leave the corp interface broken!
shinsushi	Posted - 2007.11.02 08:31:00 - [77] Originally by: Rells Originally by: Keldjos Falzir Morality, Ethics and Honor are all subjective. If you're so old fashioned you can't cope, I have to recommend euphanasia to your kids, before they have to deal with you. More demonstration of the trash of humanity. Rells for comedy post of the year. This has got to be trolling, no way anyone still feels like this on the internetz.. ☺☻☺☻☺ SO how do you get me to stop posting? Bump this thread Until devs answer
Lexa Falzir	Posted - 2007.11.02 08:33:00 - [78] Originally by: Rells Originally by: Keldjos Falzir Morality, Ethics and Honor are all subjective. If you're so old fashioned you can't cope, I have to recommend euphanasia to your kids, before they have to deal with you. More demonstration of the trash of humanity. Stunning retort. The euthanasia thing aside, how in the hell do you expect to deal with your children (which you've infered you have) when they get to their teen years and disagree with you? Do you often hit your spouse? Do you enjoy it? It's okay if you do, but you need to recognize that it could be a problem.
Cara Cunilingus Minmatar Pator Tech School	Posted - 2007.11.02 08:34:00 - [79]
Amarria Black Clan Anthraxx	Posted - 2007.11.02 08:35:00 - [80] Originally by: Lexa Falzir Originally by: Rells Originally by: Keldjos Falzir Morality, Ethics and Honor are all subjective. If you're so old fashioned you can't cope, I have to recommend euphanasia to your kids, before they have to deal with you. More demonstration of the trash of humanity. Stunning retort. The euthanasia thing aside, how in the hell do you expect to deal with your children (which you've infered you have) when they get to their teen years and disagree with you? Do you often hit your spouse? Do you enjoy it? It's okay if you do, but you need to recognize that it could be a problem. No, but he sure cuts his eyes at his mother when she yells down to the basement that dinner is ready. He's a rebel. A rebel without a job.

Seventri	Posted - 2007.11.02 08:35:00 - [81] Originally by: Rellsie More demonstration of the trash of humanity. Aren't you a bit old to be so very, very emo?
Lexa Falzir	Posted - 2007.11.02 08:41:00 - [82] Originally by: Rells Originally by: Lexa Falzir Originally by: Rells Originally by: Keldjos Falzir Morality, Ethics and Honor are all subjective. If you're so old fashioned you can't cope, I have to recommend euphanasia to your kids, before they have to deal with you. More demonstration of the trash of humanity. Stunning retort. The euthanasia thing aside, how in the hell do you expect to deal with your children (which you've infered you have) when they get to their teen years and disagree with you? Do you often hit your spouse? Do you enjoy it? It's okay if you do, but you need to recognize that it could be a problem. I neither hit my children nor my wife. Never have and never will. My wife would never act that way to another person or i wouldnt have married her and my children know that their lives would suck if they said that to anyone. They know that "grounded" just wouldnt be descriptive enough to cover it. So you do the emotional abuse thing. Right, gotcha.
Rells Caldari Agony Unleashed Agony Empire	Posted - 2007.11.02 08:43:00 - [83] Originally by: shinsushi For your sake edit that picture out right now man. Right now.... This thread is inexorably driving me to a conclusion .. one that I should have made a long time ago. Originally posted in frustration with at least half an expectation of people agreeing but I see that im in the minority here. It makes me wonder if I really want to play a game with people like this. Four years is long enough to leave the corp interface broken!
Seventri	Posted - 2007.11.02 08:45:00 - [84] Originally by: Rells This thread is inexorably driving me to a conclusion .. one that I should have made a long time ago. Originally posted in frustration with at least half an expectation of people agreeing but I see that im in the minority here. It makes me wonder if I really want to play a game with people like this. Quote this if you're down.
Keldjos Falzir GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.11.02 08:45:00 - [85] Originally by: Amarria Black Edit: trolling aside, shin's right. I wouldn't provide links to pictures of people who knew someone who knew my family, especially in this den of sadists. Den of sadists? This is a casual christian chat compared to some places I post.
PrettyGirlsMakeGraves	Posted - 2007.11.02 08:45:00 - [86] dude that is one ugly kid, hope she doesn't turn out as emo as you.
Jurgen Cartis Caldari Interstellar Corporation of Exploration	Posted - 2007.11.02 08:46:00 - [87] The fact that this hasn't been locked yet astounds me. It left constructive behind sometime on page 1. Where's the mod squad? It's threads like these that I keep the CAOD Troll Cleaner around for. Three modified lines, and it's a GD Troll Cleaner. -------------------- ICE Blueprint Sales FIRST!! -Yipsilanti Pfft. Never such a thing as a "last chance". ;) -Rauth
Keldjos Falzir GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.11.02 08:46:00 - [88] Originally by: Rells Originally by: shinsushi For your sake edit that picture out right now man. Right now.... This thread is inexorably driving me to a conclusion .. one that I should have made a long time ago. Originally posted in frustration with at least half an expectation of people agreeing but I see that im in the minority here. It makes me wonder if I really want to play a game with people like this. Well now, you have a choice. You can do the honorable, moral thing and leave, thus making us all jubilantly happy, or you can stay, just to spite us, and in so doing become one of us.
Keldjos Falzir GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.11.02 08:47:00 - [89] Originally by: Jurgen Cartis The fact that this hasn't been locked yet astounds me. It left constructive behind sometime on page 1. Where's the mod squad? It's threads like these that I keep the CAOD Troll Cleaner around for. Three modified lines, and it's a GD Troll Cleaner. Seriously, I've heard a few rumors, everything from "****faced at fanfest" to "lol CCP fired ISD"
shinsushi	Posted - 2007.11.02 08:47:00 - [90] Originally by: Rells Originally by: shinsushi For your sake edit that picture out right now man. Right now.... This thread is inexorably driving me to a conclusion .. one that I should have made a long time ago. Originally posted in frustration with at least half an expectation of people agreeing but I see that im in the minority here. It makes me wonder if I really want to play a game with people like this. Ok, In all seriousness man: #1 edit out that link ASAP, then petition the mods to remove all references to it immediately. You don't know goons man. #2 Don't take the crap on here seriously. The corp my main is in is filled with pleasant people who are friends (as much as anyone can be on the internet) and respectful. Try to find groups like that, you won't find them in the big alliances most times. Powergamers are 99/100 times asses in my experience. #3 Take a break from eve, or at least the forums. ☺☻☺☻☺ SO how do you get me to stop posting? Bump this thread Until devs answer

Frug Zenithal Harvest	Posted - 2007.11.02 08:48:00 - [91] Originally by: Keldjos Falzir Seriously, I've heard a few rumors, everything from "****faced at fanfest" to "lol CCP fired ISD" Most likely the former, but they have been reorganizing their staff for a while now, so maybe a bit of both. - - - - - - - - - Do not use dotted lines - - - - - - - If you think I'm awesome, say BOOO BOOO!! - Ductoris Neat look what I found - Kreul Hey, my marbles
Amarria Black Clan Anthraxx	Posted - 2007.11.02 08:49:00 - [92] Originally by: Rells Originally by: shinsushi For your sake edit that picture out right now man. Right now.... This thread is inexorably driving me to a conclusion .. one that I should have made a long time ago. Originally posted in frustration with at least half an expectation of people agreeing but I see that im in the minority here. It makes me wonder if I really want to play a game with people like this. You walked into it. You went into a NAACP rally and shouted, "WHITE POWER!" You honestly expected someone to stand up and say, "Hells yes, down with the darkie!"? You're on the internet. Normal Person + Audience + Anonymity = Total F***wad. Take nothing seriously, take nothing personally, and remember: this isn't even the game, this is the sub-game for the people who can't log in ATM.
Keldjos Falzir GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.11.02 08:51:00 - [93] Originally by: shinsushi Ok, In all seriousness man: #1 edit out that link ASAP, then petition the mods to remove all references to it immediately. You don't know goons man. #2 Don't take the crap on here seriously. The corp my main is in is filled with pleasant people who are friends (as much as anyone can be on the internet) and respectful. Try to find groups like that, you won't find them in the big alliances most times. Powergamers are 99/100 times asses in my experience. #3 Take a break from eve, or at least the forums. Hey! Cripes, goons are a great deal of things, harmful to small children is not one of them (because small children can't read our posts). Well, maybe Mike Takumi, but we canned him.
shinsushi	Posted - 2007.11.02 08:53:00 - [94] Originally by: Keldjos Falzir Originally by: shinsushi Ok, In all seriousness man: #1 edit out that link ASAP, then petition the mods to remove all references to it immediately. You don't know goons man. #2 Don't take the crap on here seriously. The corp my main is in is filled with pleasant people who are friends (as much as anyone can be on the internet) and respectful. Try to find groups like that, you won't find them in the big alliances most times. Powergamers are 99/100 times asses in my experience. #3 Take a break from eve, or at least the forums. Hey! Cripes, goons are a great deal of things, harmful to small children is not one of them (because small children can't read our posts). Well, maybe Mike Takumi, but we canned him. Its not that. You guys can be ****s, and its an acquired taste. I see that picture and I just imagine what photoshop and paint abominations will result. Nothing is sacred right? ☺☻☺☻☺ SO how do you get me to stop posting? Bump this thread Until devs answer
Keldjos Falzir GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.11.02 08:54:00 - [95] ... hadn't thought of that. I don't do 'shops. Rells, if you listen to nothing else I've said in this thread, delete that picture. Then drink some bleech. It freshens your breath.
Amarria Black Clan Anthraxx	Posted - 2007.11.02 08:55:00 - [96] Originally by: shinsushi Its not that. You guys can be ****s, and its an acquired taste. I see that picture and I just imagine what photoshop and paint abominations will result. Nothing is sacred right? Four little letters is all it takes to bring that picture from "touching photo of loved ones" to "headshakingly wrong". Hint: it's Pedobear's favorite passtime.
Rells Caldari Agony Unleashed Agony Empire	Posted - 2007.11.02 08:55:00 - [97] Edited by: Rells on 02/11/2007 08:55:54 My mistake in thinking there were decent people playing this game. You people make me sick. Laugh it up and get sadistic and nasty because you are TRASH. I wont be reading it .. enjoy .. bye. Four years is long enough to leave the corp interface broken!
El'Niaga Minmatar Republic Military School	Posted - 2007.11.02 08:56:00 - [98] Originally by: Rells Originally by: shinsushi For your sake edit that picture out right now man. Right now.... This thread is inexorably driving me to a conclusion .. one that I should have made a long time ago. Originally posted in frustration with at least half an expectation of people agreeing but I see that im in the minority here. It makes me wonder if I really want to play a game with people like this. The attitude in game and on the forums is something that is hampering growth, probably more so than the dev bungling of issues over the early part of this year. At some point it will reach a crisis point and CCP will have to react.
Keldjos Falzir GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.11.02 08:56:00 - [99] Originally by: Rells Edited by: Rells on 02/11/2007 08:55:54 My mistake in thinking there were decent people playing this game. You people make me sick. Laugh it up and get sadistic and nasty because you are TRASH. I wont be reading it .. enjoy .. bye. Mission accomplished.
Frug Zenithal Harvest	Posted - 2007.11.02 08:57:00 - [100] That's right Rells. We're the ones beating people up in subway stations at night and selling ******* to your children. - - - - - - - - - Do not use dotted lines - - - - - - - If you think I'm awesome, say BOOO BOOO!! - Ductoris Neat look what I found - Kreul Hey, my marbles

Tessai Lsha	Posted - 2007.11.02 08:57:00 - [101] Originally by: Rells Originally by: Keldjos Falzir Wait... do you live in some anarchic society? Because, for those of us in the first world nations anyway, there are typically social organizations (called the "police force" and "judiciary" and even "mental health institutions") which handle that kind of thing, at least in most cases. No. Im old fashioned in that I believe in honor and responsibility. I dont need the police to fight for me in this circumstance. They are better off catching the really nasty people. One lowlife scum with a big mouth can be dealt with without bothering the police. well surprise, surprise! a whole lot of people in this world do not believe in these things or believe in them only when it suits them ... it's not new-fashioned behavior, it has always been around ... are you superior to them in any way? no because natural selection has set human behavior to what works best for our survival and obviously trolling and insulting others on the internet is an urge a lot of people experience and you're not going to change that by trying to expose them on forums but give them exactly what they want i.e. more stuff to troll with
Keldjos Falzir GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.11.02 08:58:00 - [102] Originally by: El'Niaga Originally by: Rells Originally by: shinsushi For your sake edit that picture out right now man. Right now.... This thread is inexorably driving me to a conclusion .. one that I should have made a long time ago. Originally posted in frustration with at least half an expectation of people agreeing but I see that im in the minority here. It makes me wonder if I really want to play a game with people like this. The attitude in game and on the forums is something that is hampering growth, probably more so than the dev bungling of issues over the early part of this year. At some point it will reach a crisis point and CCP will have to react. Now that Rells is gone, I want a serious answer. What kind of attitude? Trolling? Not being "respectful"? What, at least in game, are you talking about?
Amarria Black Clan Anthraxx	Posted - 2007.11.02 09:00:00 - [103] Originally by: Frug That's right Rells. We're the ones beating people up in subway stations at night and selling ******* to your children. Speak for yourself. I only killed his dog and kicked his grandmother.
Transcendant One	Posted - 2007.11.02 09:02:00 - [104] Originally by: Rells Edited by: Rells on 02/11/2007 08:55:54 My mistake in thinking there were decent people playing this game. You people make me sick. Laugh it up and get sadistic and nasty because you are TRASH. I wont be reading it .. enjoy .. bye. With that title and that OP, he was sooo asking for it .
shinsushi	Posted - 2007.11.02 09:04:00 - [105] Originally by: Keldjos Falzir Originally by: El'Niaga Originally by: Rells Originally by: shinsushi For your sake edit that picture out right now man. Right now.... This thread is inexorably driving me to a conclusion .. one that I should have made a long time ago. Originally posted in frustration with at least half an expectation of people agreeing but I see that im in the minority here. It makes me wonder if I really want to play a game with people like this. The attitude in game and on the forums is something that is hampering growth, probably more so than the dev bungling of issues over the early part of this year. At some point it will reach a crisis point and CCP will have to react. Now that Rells is gone, I want a serious answer. What kind of attitude? Trolling? Not being "respectful"? What, at least in game, are you talking about? I would imagine he is talking about the, "I am going to be an *****, but not just any ***, the biggest *** ever" goal that sooo many people have. CCP made scamming legal, then ignored the "Can I hae your stuff" bull-crap and it has slowly escalted into the game as it is now. At a point CCP may find they are having difficulty finding new customers and marketing dollars won't help a game filled with **ers. Just a guess. ☺☻☺☻☺ SO how do you get me to stop posting? Bump this thread Until devs answer
Transcendant One	Posted - 2007.11.02 09:05:00 - [106] Originally by: Rells Originally by: Keldjos Falzir Oh, my dear, sweet Rells. You just don't understand, do you? First of all Im not yours and the only persons in my life entitled to address me that way are my family. Second of all, I understand the situation fully. Its quite simple. A whole generation of morons growing up thinking honor is silly encumberment, ethics are old fashioned, cheating is just another tactic and lieing, stealing and so on are only bad if you get caught. I understand all too well. And yes, if you made your suggestion concerning traffic to my face youw ouwld find yourself on the floor wondering what just happened. HONOR GLORY HOUNOUR
Keldjos Falzir GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.11.02 09:08:00 - [107] Is scamming and stuff that prevalent? Do people really fall for stupid crap like that? I lost some isk on a bad investment one time when I was just starting (okay, it was 150m and a prety dumb investment) but most of the other stuff I've seen is pretty easily avoided. And, I mean, griefing? Maybe it's 'cause I've been in 0.0 for two years, but I kinda assume everyone not having a little blue or green box next to them intends to kill me as soon as they can.
Dr Paithos Minmatar Republic Deep Space Institute	Posted - 2007.11.02 09:09:00 - [108] Edited by: Dr Paithos on 02/11/2007 09:11:03 Originally by: Rells Originally by: shinsushi For your sake edit that picture out right now man. Right now.... This thread is inexorably driving me to a conclusion .. one that I should have made a long time ago. Originally posted in frustration with at least half an expectation of people agreeing but I see that im in the minority here. It makes me wonder if I really want to play a game with people like this. If you'd posted a slightly less fanatical OP then left it you would have, but your constant emotionally invested responses attracted trolls from all over the internet. It's like the smell of blood in the water. Notice how only about three mains have posted, and how many reasonable sounding people posted in the politics thread (lol paging trolls stat). I mean IRL I'm as nice as can be but I initially had a mighty urge to post "the op is a**got c/d" simply for the rise it would get. Now I'm off to work to save kittens and dance in the flowers toodles Originally by:** RedFall How dare you try to argue my point with your so called "evidence". I don't need any, I have truthiness on my side.
Transcendant One	Posted - 2007.11.02 09:11:00 - [109] Originally by: Akita T Disagreeing with people and calling them morons or somesuch on grounds of some action they did or thing they posted is acceptable... telling them to "go die" is rude as hell, but borderline acceptable... yet real-life threats and racist comments are reason enough for a shiny ban. If they keep it down to an acceptable level, I guess you'd call it an argument and leave it at that. If somebody crosses that line, report them and have their asses banned. Simple as that. I've found the stupidest post in the thread. Go kill yourself, now.
shinsushi	Posted - 2007.11.02 09:12:00 - [110] Originally by: Keldjos Falzir Is scamming and stuff that prevalent? Do people really fall for stupid crap like that? I lost some isk on a bad investment one time when I was just starting (okay, it was 150m and a prety dumb investment) but most of the other stuff I've seen is pretty easily avoided. And, I mean, griefing? Maybe it's 'cause I've been in 0.0 for two years, but I kinda assume everyone not having a little blue or green box next to them intends to kill me as soon as they can. Well, 0.0 is kinda a different game, your ready for it, or you get a crash course real quick. I think it has to do with high-sec gankning, scams in local (that people still fall for), high-sec war-deccing griefers, contract scams, in-game abuse, and of course the meta-gaming and oog abuse. Most of this stuff I can appreciate, as it adds some realism. As far as the OOG abuse, I blame that squarely on BoB... Goons are just better at it. BoB opened the floodgates though. ☺☻☺☻☺ SO how do you get me to stop posting? Bump this thread Until devs answer

Avon Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.11.02 09:14:00 - [111] I'm with Rells on this one. The only thing worse than the flaming that goes on are the people who defend it. There is a line between in game and real life, and far too many people can either not see it, ignore it, or who knowingly cross it in order to cause offence (for the lulz). It isn't acceptable behavior, and there is no reason to defend it. The Battleships is not and should not be a solo pwnmobile - Oveur
Keldjos Falzir GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.11.02 09:15:00 - [112] Originally by: shinsushi Originally by: Keldjos Falzir Is scamming and stuff that prevalent? Do people really fall for stupid crap like that? I lost some isk on a bad investment one time when I was just starting (okay, it was 150m and a prety dumb investment) but most of the other stuff I've seen is pretty easily avoided. And, I mean, griefing? Maybe it's 'cause I've been in 0.0 for two years, but I kinda assume everyone not having a little blue or green box next to them intends to kill me as soon as they can. Well, 0.0 is kinda a different game, your ready for it, or you get a crash course real quick. I think it has to do with high-sec gankning, scams in local (that people still fall for), high-sec war-deccing griefers, contract scams, in-game abuse, and of course the meta-gaming and oog abuse. Most of this stuff I can appreciate, as it adds some realism. As far as the OOG abuse, I blame that squarely on BoB... Goons are just better at it. BoB opened the floodgates though. Most of the Goons who joined at about the same time as me were actually attracted to the Guiding Hand Social Club stories. Istvaan and his 800m isk scam or whatever. I just liked spaceships. And seriously, I'd bet more than half of empire dwellers, if they paid a little more attention, could live in 0.0 really easily.
Avon Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.11.02 09:16:00 - [113] Originally by: shinsushi As far as the OOG abuse, I blame that squarely on BoB... Goons are just better at it. BoB opened the floodgates though. Hardly. The Battleships is not and should not be a solo pwnmobile - Oveur
Lexa Falzir	Posted - 2007.11.02 09:17:00 - [114] Originally by: Avon I'm with Rells on this one. The only thing worse than the flaming that goes on are the people who defend it. There is a line between in game and real life, and far too many people can either not see it, ignore it, or who knowingly cross it in order to cause offence (for the lulz). It isn't acceptable behavior, and there is no reason to defend it. Aw man, it's 5:15am, and I gotta deal with another one of you. Yeesh. Know what the line between this game and real life is? When I show up at your door, gas can in hand, and inform you you'll be dying in a fire. Up to that time, it's the internets, buck up and either don't read it, or cope.
Amarria Black Clan Anthraxx	Posted - 2007.11.02 09:17:00 - [115] Originally by: Avon I'm with Rells on this one. The only thing worse than the flaming that goes on are the people who defend it. There is a line between in game and real life, and far too many people can either not see it, ignore it, or who knowingly cross it in order to cause offence (for the lulz). It isn't acceptable behavior, and there is no reason to defend it. Dear Moron: No one here defends bad behavior. We merely expect it, as this is the internet. Now do us all a favor and go mix up some Drano-tinis.
shinsushi	Posted - 2007.11.02 09:18:00 - [116] Edited by: shinsushi on 02/11/2007 09:18:34 Originally by: Keldjos Falzir Originally by: shinsushi Originally by: Keldjos Falzir Is scamming and stuff that prevalent? Do people really fall for stupid crap like that? I lost some isk on a bad investment one time when I was just starting (okay, it was 150m and a prety dumb investment) but most of the other stuff I've seen is pretty easily avoided. And, I mean, griefing? Maybe it's 'cause I've been in 0.0 for two years, but I kinda assume everyone not having a little blue or green box next to them intends to kill me as soon as they can. Well, 0.0 is kinda a different game, your ready for it, or you get a crash course real quick. I think it has to do with high-sec gankning, scams in local (that people still fall for), high-sec war-deccing griefers, contract scams, in-game abuse, and of course the meta-gaming and oog abuse. Most of this stuff I can appreciate, as it adds some realism. As far as the OOG abuse, I blame that squarely on BoB... Goons are just better at it. BoB opened the floodgates though. Most of the Goons who joined at about the same time as me were actually attracted to the Guiding Hand Social Club stories. Istvaan and his 800m isk scam or whatever. I just liked spaceships. And seriously, I'd bet more than half of empire dwellers, if they paid a little more attention, could live in 0.0 really easily. Oh I agree, just the thought of perminant loss scares some people. I am with you with the istavaan heist too, same event drew me to the game. Oh to Avon, your alliance made COAD and the rest of these forums their personal ****ting ground. You guys are too blame for its current condition, go cry somewhere else about it. ☺☻☺☻☺ SO how do you get me to stop posting? Bump this thread Until devs answer
Avon Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.11.02 09:20:00 - [117] Originally by: shinsushi Oh to Avon, your alliance made COAD and the rest of these forums their personal ****ting ground. You guys are too blame for its current condition, go cry somewhere else about it. I know how much you want that to be true, but you just keep tapping those little red shoes together sweety. The Battleships is not and should not be a solo pwnmobile - Oveur
Keldjos Falzir GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.11.02 09:21:00 - [118] Originally by: Amarria Black Originally by: Avon I'm with Rells on this one. The only thing worse than the flaming that goes on are the people who defend it. There is a line between in game and real life, and far too many people can either not see it, ignore it, or who knowingly cross it in order to cause offence (for the lulz). It isn't acceptable behavior, and there is no reason to defend it. Dear Moron: No one here defends bad behavior. We merely expect it, as this is the internet. Now do us all a favor and go mix up some Drano-tinis. Speak for yourself. I fully defend bad behaviour. People need to realize that often, others don't give a flying **** at a rolling doughnaught about them, or their opinions. This includes me and my tripe. False politness get in my craw something aweful(pun not intended), whether in real life or the interwebs. So if I can get even one person to thicken their skin, or kill themselves in sorrow, my work is done.
Cailais Amarr VITOC Fang Alliance	Posted - 2007.11.02 09:21:00 - [119] Its just the forums Rell. A good proportion aren't just being jerks here - theyre probably jerks everywhere. Those that arent normally jerks, are jerks here becaue they can get away with it: in reality there's a high chance that they percieved as a bit geeky and a bit of a looser (a common perception of 'game players'). Here they can cloak themsleves in annonymity. Also I think once you've witnessed real suffering, and real risks as you have it changes your perspective and you become less tolerant of childish behaviour. C. Piratise Low Sec! or Eve on Hard Mode (idea)
Keldjos Falzir GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.11.02 09:22:00 - [120] Originally by: Avon Originally by: shinsushi Oh to Avon, your alliance made COAD and the rest of these forums their personal **ting ground. You guys are too blame for its current condition, go cry somewhere else about it. I know how much you want that to be true, but you just keep tapping those little red shoes together sweety. I'm actually gonna defend Avon. BoB, especiall during the ASCN war, did a vast and amazing ammount of **ting. But no more than any other alliance who seemed to be steamrolling (rapetraining, whatever) their opponents has ever.

shinsushi	Posted - 2007.11.02 09:24:00 - [121] Originally by: Avon Originally by: shinsushi Oh to Avon, your alliance made COAD and the rest of these forums their personal ****ting ground. You guys are too blame for its current condition, go cry somewhere else about it. I know how much you want that to be true, but you just keep tapping those little red shoes together sweety. See, looky here... an insult and condescension.... thats classic BoB for you. You guys made CAOD the craphole it turned into, just go to eve-search and check it out. Before the ASCN war, you guys acted just like how the goons are acting, the only difference is that there are fewer of you. Hell your leader, Mr molle, even posted personal information about people on Eve-o. Dude, deny it all you want, doesn't change the fact that you guys did this to the game. ☺☻☺☻☺ SO how do you get me to stop posting? Bump this thread Until devs answer
Iyanah Minmatar Native Freshfood	Posted - 2007.11.02 09:24:00 - [122] Originally by: Rells Originally by: Schina3 TOO STUPID DID NOT READ Go to the sporting goods store and buy some balls. i thought he was pretty funny, tbh. i mean, let's face it, that's pretty much the answer to your question. and what does this have to do with sports or balls? you wish to settle this with a manly game of rounders ahem i mean baseball? or are you making some thinly veiled (and generally not very good) remark about his manhood? that kind of goes against what you've been saying, in that you've made yourself into a jerk by lowering yourself to his level. tsk, tsk. ========================================== Wah, Wah, Wah. deal with it.
Avon Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.11.02 09:28:00 - [123] Originally by: Keldjos Falzir I'm actually gonna defend Avon. BoB, especiall during the ASCN war, did a vast and amazing ammount of ****ting. Actually, I thought my posting was pretty good. Still, self praise is no recommendation, right? The Battleships is not and should not be a solo pwnmobile - Oveur
Roy Batty68 Caldari Immortal Dead	Posted - 2007.11.02 09:29:00 - [124] I'm with Rells for the most part. His problem though is he just doesn't "get it" and hence doesn't know how to dismiss it. For the lulz... That's it. No other explanation required. Yeah, your a funny little internet **head. Good for you. Anyway, all this other stuff aside, I couldn't help but be reminded of this little cinematic gem... Originally by:** Big Al Well, if there was a law against stupidity, the server would certainly lag less.
shinsushi	Posted - 2007.11.02 09:30:00 - [125] Edited by: shinsushi on 02/11/2007 09:32:33 Originally by: Keldjos Falzir Originally by: Avon Originally by: shinsushi Oh to Avon, your alliance made COAD and the rest of these forums their personal **ting ground. You guys are too blame for its current condition, go cry somewhere else about it. I know how much you want that to be true, but you just keep tapping those little red shoes together sweety. I'm actually gonna defend Avon. BoB, especiall during the ASCN war, did a vast and amazing ammount of **ting. But no more than any other alliance who seemed to be steamrolling (rapetraining, whatever) their opponents has ever. The difference being not only the abusiveness of it, but the OOGness of it. Don't you remember molle or blacklight or DBP saying "We will do anything, including using OOG stuff, to win." HEy, have you ever called up someone's job to get them fired? BoB has. MY point being they started the path of escalation we see today. ☺☻☺☻☺ SO how do you get me to stop posting? Bump this thread Until devs answer
Keldjos Falzir GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.11.02 09:31:00 - [126] Originally by: Avon Originally by: Keldjos Falzir I'm actually gonna defend Avon. BoB, especiall during the ASCN war, did a vast and amazing ammount of **ting. Actually, I thought my posting was pretty good. Still, self praise is no recommendation, right? Dont' specifically remember your stuff, but really, I gotta ask, who the let -dpb get away with that "omnipotence itself" **? Yeah yeah, bad people insulted real event, okay fine, wipe us from the internets or whatever. But, seriously, "omnipotence itself?"
Keldjos Falzir GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.11.02 09:33:00 - [127] Originally by: shinsushi Originally by: Keldjos Falzir Originally by: Avon Originally by: shinsushi Oh to Avon, your alliance made COAD and the rest of these forums their personal **ting ground. You guys are too blame for its current condition, go cry somewhere else about it. I know how much you want that to be true, but you just keep tapping those little red shoes together sweety. I'm actually gonna defend Avon. BoB, especiall during the ASCN war, did a vast and amazing ammount of **ting. But no more than any other alliance who seemed to be steamrolling (rapetraining, whatever) their opponents has ever. The difference being not only the abusiveness of it, but the OOGness of it. Don't you remember molle or blacklight or DBP saying "We will do anything, including using OOG stuff, to win." HEy, have you ever called up someone's job to get them fired? BoB has. Well, I have, but that's entirely not internets related. And I think the Meta-game stuff is great, spies and whatnot. Firing people over spaceships, maybe not. Defacing MySpaces, epik lulz
Faichan Kangri We Know Derek Derek Knows Us	Posted - 2007.11.02 09:40:00 - [128] Originally by: Rells Its simple newtonian law. Each action has a reaction. YOu have the CHOICE of not saying that. If you CHOOSE otherwise you incur the possible reaction. I hate to break it to you but thats not how Newton's laws work.
Newton Mara Regius Curator Insurgency	Posted - 2007.11.02 09:42:00 - [129] Originally by: Avon I'm with Rells on this one. The only thing worse than the flaming that goes on are the people who defend it. There is a line between in game and real life, and far too many people can either not see it, ignore it, or who knowingly cross it in order to cause offence (for the lulz). It isn't acceptable behavior, and there is no reason to defend it. hahahahaHAHA "Hi, I'm from BoB. Ask me about how we tried to get AntonyZ fired in real life, after he exposed the fact we had illegally spawned T2 BPOs from the CCP dev that was running our capship fleet". -- 99% of Eve-Online posters shouldn't post. This probably includes me, but definitely includes you (if you're reading this, I mean you)
Xtreem Gallente Knockaround Guys Inc.	Posted - 2007.11.02 09:46:00 - [130] Originally by: Faichan Kangri Originally by: Rells Its simple newtonian law. Each action has a reaction. YOu have the CHOICE of not saying that. If you CHOOSE otherwise you incur the possible reaction. I hate to break it to you but thats not how Newton's laws work. For every action there is an equal and opposite reaction, his thrid rule i think :) also rells, hey dude o/ \cuddles/

Joss Sparq Caldari Agony Unleashed Agony Empire	Posted - 2007.11.02 09:49:00 - [131] Originally by: Schina3 TOO STUPID DID NOT READ Oh good, so I could just copy/paste my response to your response from your response. Poignant and efficient. Originally by: shinsushi Dude, not that I do not agree with you, you are right. I am part of the problem. So you say you're part of the problem, but rather than put a stop to your own behavior with some self regulation, you instead choose to be the problem and blame everyone else for it when they draw attention to it? Sounds like when an abusive partner beats their spouse even more because they ask them to stop. Charming behavioral model you've got going for yourself. Originally by: Keldjos Falzir One group says things like "die in a fire" because they are being meta-funny. It's funny because, in cold reality, nobody in their right mind would wish death by burning on another person, yet thin skinned losers like you take it seriously. Forensic science has also progressed to the point where it isn't as viable an option as it used to be, in order to escape detection of a felony, at least. Originally by: Keldjos Falzir The second type of troll says things like "die in a fire" because they don't like other people and would desperately love to be able to douse all the idiots they encounter online and in real life in kerosene and dance as they burn, because they see no value in most human life. For various reasons, this is usually impossible, so they stick to getting jollies my trolling thin skinned losers like you. While you sound awfully like the second type, don't you. Originally by: Keldjos Falzir Now, with this understood, I heartily encourage you to play in traffic before you can breed. Or, if you have already bred, make it a family affair. After considering what you've said, I heartily encourage you to stand too close to a fire - as though you've made it clear that we shouldn't directly wish for harm to befall others - there could always be an accident. Originally by: Alex Harumichi When I compare this to another forum I frequent a lot (rpg.net), the difference is striking. I've noticed the same quality elsewhere too, and I'm pretty sure of the place I recall that they've got 1) more posters and more content to moderate and 2) a totally unpaid volunteer staff to do it. Originally by: Verite Rendition Frankly, the problem is that they fired ISD without coming up with a real plan on what to do with them gone. The GMs, bless their normally competent souls, are few in number in the first place. Ding, winner! Originally by: Sicil Fioet People troll for the same reason why they troll everywhere else on the internet and grief in internet spaceship games. Now the real question is why does it bother you? Just because people do it elsewhere, doesn't excuse it. Originally by: Chromakey Dreamcoat irrelevant link Rells, the internet's toughest dude. Your picture fails the relevant insult test for lack of "internet spaceships". Originally by: Keldjos Falzir Hrm, toting out picture of infants, eh? I already described two kinds of trolls. You may decide freely which one I am. alright, I'll can the suspense, I'm the second kind. Oh dear. I really was right. Originally by: Jurgen Cartis The fact that this hasn't been locked yet astounds me. It left constructive behind sometime on page 1. Where's the mod squad? A very pertinent point to make. Originally by: El'Niaga The attitude in game and on the forums is something that is hampering growth A lot of people I know on EVE seem to pay $20 a month here to not post on EVE-O. I think selecting not to use part of what would otherwise be a service you pay for says a lot about that service in a consumer driven society.
Avon Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.11.02 09:51:00 - [132] Originally by: Newton Mara hahahahaHAHA "Hi, I'm from BoB. Ask me about how we tried to get AntonyZ fired in real life, after he exposed the fact we had illegally spawned T2 BPOs from the CCP dev that was running our capship fleet". I'm responsible for my own posting. You are responsible for yours. I don't approve of anyone giving out personal information here. Personal responsibility is exactly that - it has nothing to do with what side you are on in the game. If you think I am being a hypocrite then post some stuff, but don't try to hold me responsible for the drivel that other people post. The Battleships is not and should not be a solo pwnmobile - Oveur
RuleoftheBone Minmatar Veto. Veto Corp	Posted - 2007.11.02 09:51:00 - [133] Originally by: Avon I'm with Rells on this one. The only thing worse than the flaming that goes on are the people who defend it. There is a line between in game and real life, and far too many people can either not see it, ignore it, or who knowingly cross it in order to cause offence (for the lulz). It isn't acceptable behavior, and there is no reason to defend it. I endorse this statement. Rells..the silent majority understand where you are coming from. But this is a fight you ain't gonna win on any internet forum. As you have no doubt noticed your replies simply elicit more spew. Maybe at some point CCP will wake up and realize that the current state of it's forums is embarassing and take some steps to remedy the situation. "Lead Me..Follow Me..Or get the **** out of my way" General George Patton USA
shinsushi	Posted - 2007.11.02 09:52:00 - [134] Originally by: Joss Sparq .... So this must have been the thought process, "Holy crap, Rells has snapped, I gotta go defend my buddy!!!" after reading the thread, "Well it seems like everyone has calmed down, I guess I need to throw a crapload of fuel on the fire!!!" You make absolutely no sense. ☺☻☺☻☺ SO how do you get me to stop posting? Bump this thread Until devs answer
Kessa Nova	Posted - 2007.11.02 09:54:00 - [135] Originally by: shinsushi You make absolutely no sense. mlyp
Amarria Black Clan Anthraxx	Posted - 2007.11.02 09:55:00 - [136] Originally by: Avon Originally by: Newton Mara hahahahaHAHA "Hi, I'm from BoB. Ask me about how we tried to get AntonyZ fired in real life, after he exposed the fact we had illegally spawned T2 BPOs from the CCP dev that was running our capship fleet". I'm responsible for my own posting. You are responsible for yours. I don't approve of anyone giving out personal information here. Personal responsibility is exactly that - it has nothing to do with what side you are on in the game. If you think I am being a hypocrite then post some stuff, but don't try to hold me responsible for the drivel that other people post. "I'm a German National Socialist. I don't approve of what those other German National Socialists are doing. Don't hold me responsible." Didn't work at Nuremberg, isn't gonna work for you, pal. When you hang out with unsavory individuals, you tend to get painted with the same brush. So long as you wear the tag, people will associate BoB's actions with you.
shinsushi	Posted - 2007.11.02 09:56:00 - [137] Originally by: Kessa Nova Originally by: shinsushi You make absolutely no sense. mlyp Are people really that lazy that can't type out "much like your posting".... I had no clue what that meant the first few times I saw it. I guess that is meant as a burn?? ☺☻☺☻☺ SO how do you get me to stop posting? Bump this thread Until devs answer
Avon Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.11.02 09:59:00 - [138] Originally by: Amarria Black "I'm a German National Socialist. I don't approve of what those other German National Socialists are doing. Don't hold me responsible." Didn't work at Nuremberg, isn't gonna work for you, pal. When you hang out with unsavory individuals, you tend to get painted with the same brush. So long as you wear the tag, people will associate BoB's actions with you. We are talking about people's ability to act in a civil manner on the forums, not their in game political affiliations. Not only have you now invoked Godwin, you have done so with a very bad example. The Battleships is not and should not be a solo pwnmobile - Oveur
Kessa Nova	Posted - 2007.11.02 10:00:00 - [139] Originally by: shinsushi Originally by: Kessa Nova Originally by: shinsushi You make absolutely no sense. mlyp Are people really that lazy that can't type out "much like your posting".... I had no clue what that meant the first few times I saw it. I guess that is meant as a burn?? tl;dr
Joss Sparq Caldari Agony Unleashed Agony Empire	Posted - 2007.11.02 10:00:00 - [140] Originally by: shinsushi You make absolutely no sense. Then you're in such good company, now.

Venkul Mul Gallente	Posted - 2007.11.02 10:02:00 - [141] Originally by: Dr Paithos If you'd posted a slightly less fanatical OP then left it you would have, but your constant emotionally invested responses attracted trolls from all over the internet. It's like the smell of blood in the water. Notice how only about three mains have posted, and how many reasonable sounding people posted in the politics thread (lol paging trolls stat). I am curious about your definition of "main" as I see at least 6 in the first page. Care to define wha tis a main for you?
Dionisius Gallente Ordem dos Templarios Pax Atlantis	Posted - 2007.11.02 10:05:00 - [142] Well most people appear to behave as apes ( am my apologies for offending such a noble species ) either here or in rl so its no surprise really that most behave like brainless beings here. And its like the OP stated, they do it because in here they have a chance to get away with the insult and not getting their legs broken with a bat. The real question is, were are the mods?CAOD is in the gutter, seriously, some alliances/corps had their forum warriors but you could "argue" with them or even discuss things to a certain level, with GOONS its plain impossible they are like that weed that floods everything with pointless and stupid content turning any good debate thread into a sh**fest. Besides ever since alot of new people came in this year, alts, really new folks, CCP just seems unable or doesn't want to deal with the issues presented. And i liked to read CAOD's arguements on battles and even the ocasional wardec, C&P's good pirate stories, now... its all garbage. _____________________________________
Amarria Black Clan Anthraxx	Posted - 2007.11.02 10:05:00 - [143] Originally by: Avon Originally by: Amarria Black "I'm a German National Socialist. I don't approve of what those other German National Socialists are doing. Don't hold me responsible." Didn't work at Nuremberg, isn't gonna work for you, pal. When you hang out with unsavory individuals, you tend to get painted with the same brush. So long as you wear the tag, people will associate BoB's actions with you. We are talking about people's ability to act in a civil manner on the forums, not their in game political affiliations. Not only have you now invoked Godwin, you have done so with a very bad example. You attempted to distance yourself from the less-than-savory actions, on the boards, of members of your alliance. I stated that so long as you have Band of Brothers writ large below your name, you will be associated with their acts. How is this off-topic?
Nez Perces Amarr Metatron Inc.	Posted - 2007.11.02 10:06:00 - [144] The internetz is LAWL. Nothing else about is worth thinking about. The internet has its serious uses, such as exchange of information. But trying to find some kind of meaningful human interaction is chasing a mirage. Thats what RL is for. As for trying to find meaningful discourse about internet spaceships on a games forum... dream on. Take what you like discard the rest.
Faichan Kangri We Know Derek Derek Knows Us	Posted - 2007.11.02 10:08:00 - [145] Originally by: Xtreem Originally by: Faichan Kangri Originally by: Rells Its simple newtonian law. Each action has a reaction. YOu have the CHOICE of not saying that. If you CHOOSE otherwise you incur the possible reaction. I hate to break it to you but thats not how Newton's laws work. For every action there is an equal and opposite reaction, his thrid rule i think :) also rells, hey dude o/ \cuddles/ Yeeesss... but I think I missed the part where it applied to human emotions :colbert:
Avon Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.11.02 10:12:00 - [146] Originally by: Amarria Black You attempted to distance yourself from the less-than-savory actions, on the boards, of members of your alliance. I stated that so long as you have Band of Brothers writ large below your name, you will be associated with their acts. How is this off-topic? The point is that my alliance tag is irrelevent to the discussion. My points would have been equally valid if I had posted them from an alt, but more-so in your eyes, odd. This isn't an inter-alliance point scoring excersise, and should not be used as such. That is counter-productive. I want the forums to be better. I try to post in a way that promotes that. I can hope that other people will make that effort, but I have no control over it. The Battleships is not and should not be a solo pwnmobile - Oveur
Vladimir Ilych Gradient Electus Matari	Posted - 2007.11.02 10:15:00 - [147] I agree with you that people should not be such halfwits on the forums but unfortunately it is not going to happen. My dream scenario would be that to play EVE you need to prove you are 21 years of age.
Nez Perces Amarr Metatron Inc.	Posted - 2007.11.02 10:17:00 - [148] Originally by: Vladimir Ilych I agree with you that people should not be such halfwits on the forums but unfortunately it is not going to happen. My dream scenario would be that to play EVE you need to prove you are 21 years of age. I'm willing to bet that the worst forum offenders are probably over 21. Age has nothing to do with it.
DarthMopp Gallente I.D.I.O.T.	Posted - 2007.11.02 10:23:00 - [149] Why people behave like jerks ? Easy..because they can. It¦s the anonymity, the namelessness of the Internet what makes them big-mouthed. Imagine one of these smacktalkers in real-life... you know what would happen.. "FIST hits FACE perfectly, inflicting 20000 hitpoints" No way anyone can change this. "Alea iacta est"
Larg Kellein Caldari Agony Unleashed Agony Empire	Posted - 2007.11.02 10:29:00 - [150] Rells, while I agree with you that the level of unconstructive flames is far too high in these forums, I can't help but feel this thread was a tactical blunder. Giving the forum warriors a whole thread specifically for their attention starved selves was always going to end in flames rivaled only by a nation of serial arsonists. And while it is up to the individual poster to not post like an idiot, the "it's teh interwebs, get thicker skin" argument is valid. Ideally, it wouldn't be, but these forums reside on the internet where such behavior has beome the norm. As such, it is to be expected, if not excused. Originally by: Roy Batty68 My software has wronged me!!! And it's immediately "sorry". Well, ok then. I suppose I'm not so upset at my software if it appologizes.

Amarria Black Clan Anthraxx	Posted - 2007.11.02 10:29:00 - [151] Originally by: Avon Originally by: Amarria Black You attempted to distance yourself from the less-than-savory actions, on the boards, of members of your alliance. I stated that so long as you have Band of Brothers writ large below your name, you will be associated with their acts. How is this off-topic? The point is that my alliance tag is irrelevent to the discussion. My points would have been equally valid if I had posted them from an alt, but more-so in your eyes, odd. This isn't an inter-alliance point scoring excersise, and should not be used as such. That is counter-productive. I want the forums to be better. I try to post in a way that promotes that. I can hope that other people will make that effort, but I have no control over it. I never stated that your points were invalid, nor that you personally had committed any sort of violation of your stated points. Another poster pointed out the irony of you calling for civility on the forums considering your alliance and the acts of others in said alliance. You took umbrage. I explained why you would be grouped with said unsavory individual. Now you've dictated that the whole discussion is off-topic. So, question: are you uncomfortable with the fact that your stated goals run contrary to the actions of your associates?
Avon Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.11.02 10:36:00 - [152] Originally by: Amarria Black I never stated that your points were invalid, nor that you personally had committed any sort of violation of your stated points. Another poster pointed out the irony of you calling for civility on the forums considering your alliance and the acts of others in said alliance. You took umbrage. I explained why you would be grouped with said unsavory individual. Now you've dictated that the whole discussion is off-topic. So, question: are you uncomfortable with the fact that your stated goals run contrary to the actions of your associates? My god, you are still trying to spin it. Firstly, the accusation was hypocrisy, not irony. There is a huge difference. Secondly, I am uncomfortable that anyone needs to be abussive and offence on the forums, regardless what in game affiliation they hold. Why? Because this isn't an in game thing. We are talking about how the people (you remember people, right?) who play the game and use these forums are affected, not their characters. If anything, your posts are a perfect example of people not being able to see the line. Avon does not read these forums, I do. The Battleships is not and should not be a solo pwnmobile - Oveur
Trind2222 Amarr Celestial Pillagers Brutally Clever Empire	Posted - 2007.11.02 10:40:00 - [153] Edited by: Trind2222 on 02/11/2007 10:41:47 I agree whit Rells peaople on the forum need to grow up. Or take a beer and not post on the forum.
Cygnus Zhada Amarr Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2007.11.02 10:41:00 - [154] Agrees with the OP (couldn't be bothered with the rest of the post, prolly just flames) Welcome to EVE Online: Press 1 for Caldari, PVE Online Press 2 for Minmatar, PVP Online Press 3 for Gallente, PWN Online Press 4 for Amarr, Lulz Online
darth solo Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency	Posted - 2007.11.02 10:43:00 - [155] These forums are a joke, its obvious the MODS cannot control them. The truth of the matter is that they cannot beat u ingame, so try and do so on the forums.. The entire alliance forums should just be closed down as the community just cant be trusted to use them. d solo.
Amarria Black Clan Anthraxx	Posted - 2007.11.02 10:45:00 - [156] Originally by: Avon Originally by: Amarria Black I never stated that your points were invalid, nor that you personally had committed any sort of violation of your stated points. Another poster pointed out the irony of you calling for civility on the forums considering your alliance and the acts of others in said alliance. You took umbrage. I explained why you would be grouped with said unsavory individual. Now you've dictated that the whole discussion is off-topic. So, question: are you uncomfortable with the fact that your stated goals run contrary to the actions of your associates? My god, you are still trying to spin it. Firstly, the accusation was hypocrisy, not irony. There is a huge difference. Secondly, I am uncomfortable that anyone needs to be abussive and offence on the forums, regardless what in game affiliation they hold. Why? Because this isn't an in game thing. We are talking about how the people (you remember people, right?) who play the game and use these forums are affected, not their characters. If anything, your posts are a perfect example of people not being able to see the line. Avon does not read these forums, I do. Ah, then you're the one who doesn't understand the line. I don't post on the forums, Amarria Black does. The line is real life. While I may loathe your in-game or forum persona, were someone to post your phone number or home address, I'd be the first to call for their head. The forum is just as much game as the game itself.
Avon Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.11.02 10:48:00 - [157] Originally by: Amarria Black Ah, then you're the one who doesn't understand the line. I don't post on the forums, Amarria Black does. The line is real life. While I may loathe your in-game or forum persona, were someone to post your phone number or home address, I'd be the first to call for their head. The forum is just as much game as the game itself. Nope, that only applies in the IC sections of the forums. We are talking about OOC insults, not IC ones. If it was IC flaming I could care less. Like your Godwin invoking example. Your character would no nothing of that, and so would not have been able to use it as an example. It is you that doesn't 'get' these forums. The Battleships is not and should not be a solo pwnmobile - Oveur
BIlloreilly	Posted - 2007.11.02 10:48:00 - [158] Edited by: BIlloreilly on 02/11/2007 10:48:59 Originally by: General StarScream dude get real you blob fight in game, you have no ide what your talking about cuse of this, and boost amarr they stink, allso caldri cant pvp, since my missile allways hit for full dam and never miss. oh ya i cant use drones in my 75m Drone bay, since it like wont fit 5 heavy drones so it does no extra dam with drones. and like with my officer fitted cnr i can plow lvl4 missions , so make them harder pls pls, and amarr stink. SLOW DOWN PLS! +1 "Save the tree! Wipe your bunghole with an owl!" The left makes no damn sense.
Polardegos Gallente Venom. THE V I G I L	Posted - 2007.11.02 10:51:00 - [159] All my support to the OP. I would say that the majority of players agree with you, but very few of them bother to give their support because of the nature of the entire forum. --------- God made me an atheist, who are you to question his wisdom?
Goliath Scorpion The Buggers	Posted - 2007.11.02 10:51:00 - [160] Originally by: darth solo These forums are a joke, its obvious the MODS cannot control them. The truth of the matter is that they cannot beat u ingame, so try and do so on the forums.. The entire alliance forums should just be closed down as the community just cant be trusted to use them. d solo. So fricking right on so many levels.

Amarria Black Clan Anthraxx	Posted - 2007.11.02 11:01:00 - [161] Originally by: Avon Originally by: Amarria Black Ah, then you're the one who doesn't understand the line. I don't post on the forums, Amarria Black does. The line is real life. While I may loathe your in-game or forum persona, were someone to post your phone number or home address, I'd be the first to call for their head. The forum is just as much game as the game itself. Nope, that only applies in the IC sections of the forums. We are talking about OOC insults, not IC ones. If it was IC flaming I could care less. Like your Godwin invoking example. Your character would no nothing of that, and so would not have been able to use it as an example. It is you that doesn't 'get' these forums. You're still not getting it. In-game Amarria Black would know nothing of the facts of the earlier Godwin (and you're right, I was stretching for that one). Forum Warrior Amarria Black would, though, and wouldn't hesitate to use such tactics in order to "defeat" you. And neither is me, the person behind the keyboard. Think of that Godwin as another meta-game tool, except this time it's the meta-forum game.
BIlloreilly	Posted - 2007.11.02 11:08:00 - [162] Lets move to the VN Boards. I heard those mods over there carry BAN STICKS "Save the tree! Wipe your bunghole with an owl!" The left makes no damn sense.
Avon Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.11.02 11:08:00 - [163] Edited by: Avon on 02/11/2007 11:08:52 Originally by: Amarria Black You're still not getting it. In-game Amarria Black would know nothing of the facts of the earlier Godwin (and you're right, I was stretching for that one). Forum Warrior Amarria Black would, though, and wouldn't hesitate to use such tactics in order to "defeat" you. And neither is me, the person behind the keyboard. Think of that Godwin as another meta-game tool, except this time it's the meta-forum game. You might be fooling yourself with that flimsy justification, but that's about it. The Battleships is not and should not be a solo pwnmobile - Oveur
Malcanis High4Life SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2007.11.02 11:14:00 - [164] Originally by: Rells Edited by: Rells on 02/11/2007 06:42:32 Its a daily occurrence that someone posts something well thought out and reasoned and instead of disagreeing with them like an adult and debating the issue, they have to be a jerk. They attack other poeple personally, flame, toss accusations and so on. Cant people just bloody growup? No ... dont answer that question, I already know the answer. This place is sewer. Full of people that use internet anonymity to do things that would earn them two knocked out teeth in real life. P.S. If you are going to reply and flame, have some balls and post with your main. In case it hasn't already been said: The Theory CONCORD provide consequences, not safety; only you can do that.
Oris Pricington	Posted - 2007.11.02 11:15:00 - [165] Originally by: Avon Edited by: Avon on 02/11/2007 11:08:52 Originally by: Amarria Black You're still not getting it. In-game Amarria Black would know nothing of the facts of the earlier Godwin (and you're right, I was stretching for that one). Forum Warrior Amarria Black would, though, and wouldn't hesitate to use such tactics in order to "defeat" you. And neither is me, the person behind the keyboard. Think of that Godwin as another meta-game tool, except this time it's the meta-forum game. You might be fooling yourself with that flimsy justification, but that's about it. This from the person who is convinced that forums = serious business.
Amarria Black Clan Anthraxx	Posted - 2007.11.02 11:16:00 - [166] ... Yeah, that was me. Bloody forum, coded by drunken epileptic apes hopped up on smack.
Babel Utopian Research I.E.L. Hedonistic Imperative	Posted - 2007.11.02 11:19:00 - [167] Attention, pure and simple. Even someone reacting 'omg, what a complete XXXX!' is still attention of some sort and will bring a smile of 'Someone noticed me' victory to someone that gets off on that kinda thing ... It's kinda sad but not really possible to change unless you head round a troll's house and give them kisses and stuff and say something like 'It's OK, I think your important' <3 ofc - the option of reading something else instead when the XXXXX-alert sounds is always there too :) URIEL Recruiting
Avon Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.11.02 11:21:00 - [168] Originally by: Amarria Black Yeah, that was me. So it is you posting, regardless of which character you use? The Battleships is not and should not be a solo pwnmobile - Oveur
Amarria Black Clan Anthraxx	Posted - 2007.11.02 11:22:00 - [169] Originally by: Avon Originally by: Amarria Black Yeah, that was me. So it is you posting, regardless of which character you use? Touche.
Steve Hawkings	Posted - 2007.11.02 11:39:00 - [170] what a crappy thread this is.

Roc Wieler Polytope	Posted - 2007.11.02 12:02:00 - [171] Anonymity of the Internet. The lack of any real consequence emboldens even the weakest of us. *** Lt.Colonel Roc Wieler "Never start a fight you can win." - Roc Wieler
Susan Acid Gallente	Posted - 2007.11.02 12:06:00 - [172] CCP care about the quantity not quality of players.More players = more % of r tards. Ubar? Ja!
OuZiE Caldari Perkone	Posted - 2007.11.02 12:22:00 - [173]
000Hunter000 Gallente Magners Marauders	Posted - 2007.11.02 12:27:00 - [174] Sadly it''s in our nature to try to burn others so we feel better ourselves, were not as evolved as we think we are, i mean it hasn't been that long since we ran around in bearskins clubbing our enemies to death and drinking from their skull, hell, it was just last weekend for me... err... nm that last comment. CCP, let us pay the online shop with Direct Debit!!! Magners is now recruiting, evemail me or Dagazbo ingame.
Xaen Caldari Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2007.11.02 13:02:00 - [175] I present to you, the Greater Internet ******* Theory (questionably SFW) courtesy of Penny Arcade! -- Support fixing the EVE UI
spurious signal Caldari Brainiacs	Posted - 2007.11.02 13:04:00 - [176] Don't forget Rells that you are dealing with children here. With adults it's perfectly correct to say that they are responsible for their own actions, however the majority of EVE's players and certainly the majority of it's regular forum posters are not adults. What happens in a classroom when the teacher leaves the room? Chaos. Anarchy. The scumbags take over. CCP have seen fit to abandon these forums for now, and as such they have descended into a Lord Of The Flies situation where the thugs and sub-human aspects of children bubble to the surface. Attempting to appeal to the better nature of these kids is futile, since until their balls drop and they learn to shave most of them HAVE no better nature. All children need guidelines, they need discipline. And I don't mean a rod of iron, I just mean some consistently enforced boundaries. Without that they do what all kids do - they test the boundaries. Think of the goons as a bunch of 7 year olds seeing how far they can go before daddy loses his temper. Except that daddy doesn't care, he's run off to get drunk with the ****ty secretary from work, and mummy left to go work in China years ago. Until CCP realise that the state of their forums reflects extremely badly on their cashcow then I'd suggest that anyone with a mental age higher than their shoe size either avoids the forums or self-regulates with CAOD Cleaner. Threads like this are a goldmine in that respect, you can just go through the replies and permanently ignore the idiots.
An Anarchyyt Gallente Sublime.	Posted - 2007.11.02 13:24:00 - [177] I love how these threads bring out the armchair psychologists. Originally by: CCP Wrangler Second, a gentile is a non jewish person
Frug Zenithal Harvest	Posted - 2007.11.02 14:16:00 - [178] Originally by: An Anarchyyt I love how these threads bring out the armchair psychologists. - - - - - - - - - Do not use dotted lines - - - - - - - If you think I'm awesome, say BOOO BOOO!! - Ductoris Neat look what I found - Kreul Hey, my marbles
Torco	Posted - 2007.11.02 14:29:00 - [179] since there is this one big ally starting with G ending with Fleet this forum is full of jerks... sad but true...
Tortun Nahme Minmatar Heimatar Services Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.11.02 14:59:00 - [180] the truth is, the forums are wild because I have yet to release my vast army of clones to tame it think of it, the glorious future, where there is one of me in every thread, driving the stupid people, whiners, and flamers, insane! it will be heaven! I'm currently involved in medical research, concerning the therapuetic aspects of a swift kick in the rear What do zombies and forum posters have in common? They like to sit about and moan!

Kastar Memphis Technologies Intergalactic Brotherhood	Posted - 2007.11.02 15:10:00 - [181] Edited by: Kastar on 02/11/2007 15:12:11 Originally by: Rells Originally by: shinsushi Dude, not that I do not agree with you, you are right. I am part of the problem. The thing is, your feeding the trolls, responding to these types of post will just encourage more of them. Until the mod team gets their stuff together, this and all of the forums are going to be bad... It started out with "can I have your stuff" and has progressively gotten worse. Your beef should be with the moderators, not the idiots (of which I am one) No, its not the moderators fault. Its the fault of the people doing it. It is up to YOU whether to flame or act like a reasonable person. Dont try to push the responsibility on others. You are responsible for your actions. I like where you are going with the argument. Just take into account that by calling someone a "piece of worthless thrash" as above you might have crossed the line yourself. Generally speaking people indeed tend to take some words to lightly though, so mainly agreed. My kids are still too young, but in a few years I'm at least going to have to have a word with them about how serious they will have to take forums like this one. As with many things you can't really forbid anything, you can only hope for common sense, but I repeat, if my kids get ineterested in Eve like their dad the last part I'm going to refer to is these boards. It almost reads as if many people are just not interested in the game anymore... only in a fake image, something they, as you say, can hide behind. -----------------------------------------------
Kastar Memphis Technologies Intergalactic Brotherhood	Posted - 2007.11.02 15:11:00 - [182] Originally by: Torco since there is this one big ally starting with G ending with Fleet this forum is full of jerks... sad but true... Kinda untrue... we always had people like this. the only issue now is that there are a lot more of them. Post with your main, love. -----------------------------------------------
Lacranora Gallente Pagan Rites Corp	Posted - 2007.11.02 15:16:00 - [183] People use the internet as a escape, or a stalking method. It lets someone became and do something they may or may not be in RL. But I know for myself, being new to this game, if I would have read the board BEFORE getting a account, I would never have gotten a account to begin with. Everyone has a *****, everyone seems to have a moan about something. That is pretty common with everything, but it is how others seem to react to it that becomes the problems. Even I this morning on these boards had a bit of a meltdown with something I wrote, just because I was fed up with the crap you hear people complaining about. (And I have only been around about 3 weeks now.) People are sheep, and tend to flock in the same direction, if a thread has become a flame war, then that is what is going to be postedà. Odds of finding someone that can REALLY think for themselves is rare, finding a person around here seems to be almost out of the question. Always looking for new players, as we are a new player Corporation. Check out the site and let us know. http://paganrites.x10hosting.com
Avery Fatwallet	Posted - 2007.11.02 15:20:00 - [184] i have been reading this thread for 3 pages before i felt the need to chime in. eve is a great game, i love it, and when i dont play, i like to read about it too, so i tend to lurk the forums a lot. i tell you, this place has turned into a stinking cesspit. i dont know, are the moderators are all volunteers? i mean, if they DO get paid, they should do a frickin better job. (no offense, but only because this place is flaming hell already) i seriously think, the mods around here get their amusement from all the people bashing each other. and now, please, dont come with this "eve is supposed to be a harsh and cold place", because in this relation its just utter BS. were talking strictly OOG stuff here. people making personal insults outside the RP forum or even in oope is clearly over the line. i have now idea whats wrong. was it always like this? i think not. i was first around in 2005 and i remember reading a lot more ideas and a lot less flaming. now fighting over the fact if its the peoples fault or the mods fault is BS too, think about for a second: there are forum rules, and people should follow them. if they dont do it, its their fault, of course. morals and stuff and yadda yadda. but there are moderators too. its their job to enforce the rules and "educate" (read: ban) inappropriate posters, which is a bit of a problem, because of alts and trial accounts. id say we need a subforum for trial accounts, where they can discuss technicalities and whatnot, but restrict them from the other sections, and yay, you can moderate again. so here goes the conclusion: screw you guys, im going home
Neon Genesis The Landed Gentry	Posted - 2007.11.02 15:23:00 - [185] Edited by: Neon Genesis on 02/11/2007 15:25:13 Originally by: Surfin's PlunderBunny Ahh the slow transition from eve-online to GBS. It wasn't ever a nice place, which I definately prefer (since eve itself isn't happyland), but it's the moderation team disbanding which is making the place a huge s.hitfest. _
Dr Slaughter Rabies Inc.	Posted - 2007.11.02 15:32:00 - [186] Rells, there's no reason for them not to be idiotic. That's the heart of the matter. Actually 'respecting others' seems to be a growing problem generally (here and in RL). In any case and as you pointed out you can get away with more on the net because of the anonymity. Only real solution would be to have a forum for eve's intelligentsia but that doesn't benefit anyone else. CCP this is not the nerf you are looking for...
Joss Sparq Caldari Agony Unleashed Agony Empire	Posted - 2007.11.02 15:52:00 - [187] Originally by: OuZiE probable ToS violation? Wow, that was really brave of you to shop that up for us all. No, really. I hope CCP has the guts to ban you and your main straight out of the game. You deserve it, champ.
Snake Doctor MacroIntel United Corporations Against Macros	Posted - 2007.11.02 16:18:00 - [188] It's not that we're jerks, it's that a lot of people are idiots. Join Macrointel!
OoQoO	Posted - 2007.11.02 16:23:00 - [189] Originally by: Joss Sparq Wow, that was really brave of you to shop that up for us all. No, really. I hope CCP has the guts to ban you and your main straight out of the game. You deserve it, champ. backseat moderation itt
Frug Zenithal Harvest	Posted - 2007.11.02 16:23:00 - [190] Originally by: Snake Doctor It's not that we're jerks, it's that a lot of people are idiots. I make no reservations about being a jerk when someone starts going on a big tirade about how kids beat up people in subway stations these days and how society is collapsing because we're all scum here on the forums, and woe is me the humanity OH GOD THE HUMANITY. No, at that point being a jerk is too amusing to pass up. - - - - - - - - - Do not use dotted lines - - - - - - - If you think I'm awesome, say BOOO BOOO!! - Ductoris Neat look what I found - Kreul Hey, my marbles

Swamp Ziro GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.11.02 16:40:00 - [191] Originally by: OuZiE hahahahahahah
CampyloBacter Gallente Chlamydia Online	Posted - 2007.11.02 16:51:00 - [192] Originally by: Rells Originally by: shinsushi For your sake edit that picture out right now man. Right now.... This thread is inexorably driving me to a conclusion .. one that I should have made a long time ago. Originally posted in frustration with at least half an expectation of people agreeing but I see that im in the minority here. It makes me wonder if I really want to play a game with people like this. You're in a minority yes, but one in which you should have pride in being a part. My ability to empathise distinguishes my species from the other biological entities which inhabit this planet. My higher brain functions allow me to choose between right and wrong. Civility and culture are what (arguably) have made today's world safer for us and our families than in former times. You bet your ass that these t0ssers who think it's funny to abuse others only feel safe in doing so because of their sanitised little civilised lives that the very behaviour and attitudes they're denigrating has brought about. As many others have said, the teenage attitude of 'f*ck the world' is what drives much of this. You won't change them... they will however eventually ironically change themselves-as much as they'll deny it. It costs nothing to be civil.
Seventri	Posted - 2007.11.02 17:01:00 - [193] Originally by: CampyloBacter You're in a minority yes, but one in which you should have pride in being a part. My ability to empathise distinguishes my species from the other biological entities which inhabit this planet. My higher brain functions allow me to choose between right and wrong. Civility and culture are what (arguably) have made today's world safer for us and our families than in former times. You bet your ass that these t0ssers who think it's funny to abuse others only feel safe in doing so because of their sanitised little civilised lives that the very behaviour and attitudes they're denigrating has brought about. As many others have said, the teenage attitude of 'f*ck the world' is what drives much of this. You won't change them... they will however eventually ironically change themselves-as much as they'll deny it. It costs nothing to be civil. Stop denigrating civilized society and supporting terrorism by being stupid on forums guys! You have NO IDEA that MEN AND WOMEN GAVE THEIR LIVES FOR YOUR RIGHTS TO BE DOUCHEBAGS ON FORUMS WITH IMPUNITY and therefore you should NEVER BEHAVE SO RUDELY. You make baby jesus cry with your words, your horrible horrible words.
Tortun Nahme Minmatar Heimatar Services Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.11.02 17:03:00 - [194] and thus, another self righteous sob makes himself look stupid by calling "flamers" t0ssers I'm currently involved in medical research, concerning the therapuetic aspects of a swift kick in the rear What do zombies and forum posters have in common? They like to sit about and moan!
Travis Stone Caldari The Steel Ravens	Posted - 2007.11.02 17:06:00 - [195] Originally by: Rells Originally by: shinsushi For your sake edit that picture out right now man. Right now.... This thread is inexorably driving me to a conclusion .. one that I should have made a long time ago. Originally posted in frustration with at least half an expectation of people agreeing but I see that im in the minority here. It makes me wonder if I really want to play a game with people like this. I suspect there are plenty of people who share your point of view,i'm one of them, but like me they only post on rare occasions
Seventri	Posted - 2007.11.02 17:06:00 - [196] Originally by: Tortun Nahme and thus, another self righteous sob makes himself look stupid by calling "flamers" t0ssers He's not self righteous. He's holding THE VERY FABRIC OF SOCIETY TOGETHER and you're busy DESTROYING EVERYTHING WE HAVE WORKED FOR. Civilized society CANNOT exist with people like YOU flaming internet gaming forums. DONT YOU UNDERSTAND THAT?
CampyloBacter Gallente Chlamydia Online	Posted - 2007.11.02 17:08:00 - [197] {Edited for civility} and yes seventri, people did die, including both my grandfathers, to defend the freedom of speech which the western world has as its foundation and which people abuse every second of every day.
Krows	Posted - 2007.11.02 17:16:00 - [198] Originally by: spurious signal I'm a big ****ie head who doesn't have a single idea of what he's talking about. Just ignore me, I'm dumb, there I said it. Fixed for all eternity. What I say here... does not reflect on my corp or alliance.
Krazy Bitsch	Posted - 2007.11.02 17:18:00 - [199] Originally by: Rells P.S. If you are going to reply and flame, have some balls and post with your main. this is me posting with my alt....stop me, i dare you. How is me hiding behind an alt any different than you and he rest of your alliance hiding behind cloaks all day?
MITSUK0	Posted - 2007.11.02 17:19:00 - [200] Edited by: MITSUK0 on 02/11/2007 17:19:15 http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2004/03/19 Just replace "Unreal Tournament 2004" with "EVE Online". Edit: Hope I didnt get beaten to it

Sixtina KL	Posted - 2007.11.02 17:24:00 - [201] EVE is /b/ and everyone religiously believes each other is a newfag and not a real /b/tard. You lose your ship, they laugh. You get your newbie frig suicide-ganked by a smartbombing geddon, they laugh. Your mother dies, they laugh. You get brutally raped in an alley, they laugh. __________________________________
Seventri	Posted - 2007.11.02 17:42:00 - [202] Originally by: CampyloBacter {Edited for civility} and yes seventri, people did die, including both my grandfathers, to defend the freedom of speech which the western world has as its foundation and which people abuse every second of every day. We abuse it by using it. This is me caring. ONOES
Ash Donai	Posted - 2007.11.02 17:43:00 - [203] To quote a great Russian philosopher, forget the name: There's no greater joy in life than to ruin someone elses day! The whole premise of EVE as a game is that people are bastards to each other, it's built-in, and it's perpetuated by policy as well as oversight (or lack thereof). Can't really blame people to work with what they are given, and where else can any of those iditos on the forums be ethugs to each other? Any one of them would get punched in the face real hard for pulling any of the forum attitude in real life.
missionalt GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.11.02 17:48:00 - [204] Edited by: missionalt on 02/11/2007 17:48:30 Originally by: Rells Edited by: Rells on 02/11/2007 06:42:32 Its a daily occurrence that someone posts something well thought out and reasoned and instead of disagreeing with them like an adult and debating the issue, they have to be a jerk. They attack other poeple personally, flame, toss accusations and so on. Cant people just bloody growup? No ... dont answer that question, I already know the answer. This place is sewer. Full of people that use internet anonymity to do things that would earn them two knocked out teeth in real life. P.S. If you are going to reply and flame, have some balls and post with your main. hey didnt you used to run that pvp school back in syndicate yeeeeeears back? how much did that net you in the end
CampyloBacter Gallente Chlamydia Online	Posted - 2007.11.02 17:56:00 - [205] Originally by: Seventri Originally by: CampyloBacter {Edited for civility} and yes seventri, people did die, including both my grandfathers, to defend the freedom of speech which the western world has as its foundation and which people abuse every second of every day. We abuse it by using it. This is me caring. ONOES Try using/abusing it outside the lovely carebear United States/Western Europe/Australasia. You might not be so far up your own ass. My Grandfathers died to fight the tyranny that you now have no fear of. My point is that attitudes such as yours stem directly from the very safety which your cosy little life brings and that cosy little life that mummy and daddy gave you is as a direct consequence of the ability of civilisation to be 'civilised'. You have every right to act as puerile as you wish... that's the point. That's me out of here 'Oh NOES'.
Dr Paithos Minmatar Republic Deep Space Institute	Posted - 2007.11.02 17:59:00 - [206] hating freedom itt Originally by: RedFall How dare you try to argue my point with your so called "evidence". I don't need any, I have truthiness on my side.
Seventri	Posted - 2007.11.02 18:03:00 - [207] Originally by: Dr Paithos hating freedom itt Hahaha
Minokou Agony Unleashed Agony Empire	Posted - 2007.11.02 18:07:00 - [208] Originally by: missionalt Edited by: missionalt on 02/11/2007 17:48:30 hey didnt you used to run that pvp school back in syndicate yeeeeeears back? how much did that net you in the end I can't tell you how much Agony made from running classes in Syndicate, but I can tell you that running classes these days is not a money-maker at all. The course fees are mainly to keep freeloaders out. For 7 mil you can attend the PVP-BASIC class and you will receive 8-10 hours of classroom instruction and live fire experience in 0.0. The training is usually run by multiple Agony pilots, so if you end up the man hours spent on one class and convert that to isk-gained-per-hour, you will weep, and you'd make more ISK shooting rats in 0.9 space. We don't teach the classes to make money off of it, we teach them so that people realize that you don't need 50 million SP to participate in PvP, be useful in PvP, and most importantly, have fun PvPing.
Sixtina KL	Posted - 2007.11.02 19:56:00 - [209] Originally by: Minokou 7 mil I KNEW there was a catch! __________________________________
OOOSOOO	Posted - 2007.11.02 20:13:00 - [210] Originally by: Rells Edited by: Rells on 02/11/2007 06:42:32 Its a daily occurrence that someone posts something well thought out and reasoned and instead of disagreeing with them like an adult and debating the issue, they have to be a jerk. They attack other poeple personally, flame, toss accusations and so on. Cant people just bloody growup? No ... dont answer that question, I already know the answer. This place is sewer. Full of people that use internet anonymity to do things that would earn them two knocked out teeth in real life. P.S. If you are going to reply and flame, have some balls and post with your main. You got a wrinkle in yer skirt, Nancy?

Jenny Spitfire Caldari	Posted - 2007.11.02 20:17:00 - [211] Rells, I can't believe you are asking a forum full of griefers, gankers, virtual criminals about forums hellhole. This game is crime-online and the player base are quite criminalistic minded and you expect decent criticisms? This is what I think in my most humble opinion. :) A game where players have Anonymity - nobody knows who is behind that toon and everyone is free to be anti-social. Boredom - restless, chilling and up to mischief because there is a need to release dullness and find excitement. Dehumanisation - griefers are cool and if you are not a griefer, you do not belong here. Peer pressure - you have just killed a T2 hauler with 100M worth of loot and I need to kill a freighter with 10000M worth of loot. Power - my guns are bigger than yours so pew pew on your haulers and you are powerless to fight back. Power does corrupt. Unaccountability - pew pew, you are dead and you cannot chase me because I am logging for the night. And you have wondered why there are certain class of people on the forums? You have to learn and take what the community throw at you to be honest. :) --------- Technica impendi Caldari generis. Pax Caldaria! Kali is for KArebearLIng. I 100% agree with Avon. Female EVE gamers? Mail Zajo or visit WGOE.Public in-game.
Ariel Darklight Caldari Eve University Ivy League	Posted - 2007.11.02 20:32:00 - [212] Originally by: OuZiE had to quote this again lol
Roy Batty68 Caldari Immortal Dead	Posted - 2007.11.02 20:54:00 - [213] Originally by: Jenny Spitfire Rells, I can't believe you are asking a forum full of griefers, gankers, virtual criminals about forums hellhole. This game is crime-online and the player base are quite criminalistic minded and you expect decent criticisms? PVP game. I think you missed that bit when you bought your account. You've sat yourself down at a poker table and are complaining about having to play cards. And now your complaining about all the lousy gamblers around you... Doesn't make a whole hell of alot of sense, does it? And there are WoW forums that are worse than this one. So how does that work? It's a stupid association to try and make. Virtual criminals? Your apparent aversion to pvp and the resulting internal conflicts it's causing you does not in any way equal Eve having the dregs of the internet for players. It just means you have yet to come to terms with you and Eve possibly not being a good match. Originally by: Big Al Well, if there was a law against stupidity, the server would certainly lag less.
Ciphero Murder-Death-Kill	Posted - 2007.11.02 21:43:00 - [214] Edited by: Ciphero on 02/11/2007 21:44:15 A large portion of the post(ers) in this thread have really made me re-evaluate what I thought was a fairly decent community. That same portion is either seriously deluded with regard to the level of their own wit or must have real self-loathing issues. I'm not sure if I feel as strongly and venomously about it as Rells seems to, but I can't disagree with any sentiment he's expressed here. There are too many people who seem to think that they're edgy and controversial with their fantastically predictable comments; the upside is that these comments have become so run of the mill that they now only come across as sad, rather than offensive and sad. Supposedly snappy one liners like "die in a fire" and the like have become so over-used that it's actually gone into negative-funny: it actually makes you look like a tool. The whole lot of you could be replaced by a very small macro, really. Rells, I tip my hat to you. Edit: I'm talking about the forums here - psychotic ganking and such is all a part of Eve. Trolling threads with all the wit and sophistication of a condom isn't.
Laboratus Gallente BGG League of Abnormal Gentlemen	Posted - 2007.11.02 22:06:00 - [215] Ppl have a very different understanding, base knowledge, if you will, on how the game works. Different basic assumpions, on which everthing relating to the game is built. Now, when someone either presents conflicting information, or tries to challenge these base assumptions, basic human nature and denial kicks in, after that anger, both these appear on the forums. Acceptance is usually done silently and very much off the forums. Another reason could be that the internet is very much like a sewer, where only the biggest turds float on top. ___ P.S. Post with your main. Mind control and tin hats
CampyloBacter Gallente Chlamydia Online	Posted - 2007.11.02 22:14:00 - [216] Originally by: Ciphero Edited by: Ciphero on 02/11/2007 21:44:15 A large portion of the post(ers) in this thread have really made me re-evaluate what I thought was a fairly decent community. That same portion is either seriously deluded with regard to the level of their own wit or must have real self-loathing issues. I'm not sure if I feel as strongly and venomously about it as Rells seems to, but I can't disagree with any sentiment he's expressed here. There are too many people who seem to think that they're edgy and controversial with their fantastically predictable comments; the upside is that these comments have become so run of the mill that they now only come across as sad, rather than offensive and sad. Supposedly snappy one liners like "die in a fire" and the like have become so over-used that it's actually gone into negative-funny: it actually makes you look like a tool. The whole lot of you could be replaced by a very small macro, really. Rells, I tip my hat to you. Edit: I'm talking about the forums here - psychotic ganking and such is all a part of Eve. Trolling threads with all the wit and sophistication of a condom isn't. So true.. couldn't agree more. I've always thought of Eve as THE most intellectually challenging MMO by a million miles. The forums however don't really reflect this. Anybody who takes the time and effort to post is usually met with a tirade of unconstructive abuse and derision simply for the audacity of expressing an opinion. The desire of many in this forum to seek the approval of their peers by their feeble attempts at sarcasm and repetitive witticisms has become totally boring.
Paulo Damarr	Posted - 2007.11.02 22:15:00 - [217] Good job Rells its about someone took the time to make a stand against some of the ******s in this community. Eve is a pvp game where you shoot each other but why is this interpreted as a licence to be as foul a specimen of humanity as anyone can be? A reasonable standard of morals doesn't mean you need to be mother Theresa and a few manners and a little respect cost nothing yet some people feel the need to act like ****s. All the stereotypes of bullied nerd schoolkids or middle aged loner schizophrenics on the Internet may not apply to every case but what the hell else makes otherwise normal people behave like this? Its obvious they only do it via the Internet or they would be either in prison or in a hospital or murdered by someone. These guys need to sit back and evaluate their lives and the causes behind their attitudes. Originally by:** MOTOK0 A bit like the second coming of jesus only with screaming and tears and whine threads.
missionalt GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.11.02 22:22:00 - [218] Originally by: Minokou We don't teach the classes to make money off of it, we teach them so that people realize that you don't need 50 million SP to participate in PvP, be useful in PvP, and most importantly, have fun PvPing. hells yeah :krad:
Leid Neuror	Posted - 2007.11.02 22:48:00 - [219] Just stop writing on the forums people.Why bother? Who really cares about a person you don't know and his opinion?I don't,most don't so don't waste your time,just play the game you're paying for.You're not paying a -who is smarter-contest but EVE online,so enjoy it. My first and last post in here,have fun!!!
Umit Davala Corpus PCG The State	Posted - 2007.11.02 22:53:00 - [220] Originally by: Ciphero Edited by: Ciphero on 02/11/2007 21:44:15 A large portion of the post(ers) in this thread have really made me re-evaluate what I thought was a fairly decent community. That same portion is either seriously deluded with regard to the level of their own wit or must have real self-loathing issues. I'm not sure if I feel as strongly and venomously about it as Rells seems to, but I can't disagree with any sentiment he's expressed here. There are too many people who seem to think that they're edgy and controversial with their fantastically predictable comments; the upside is that these comments have become so run of the mill that they now only come across as sad, rather than offensive and sad. Supposedly snappy one liners like "die in a fire" and the like have become so over-used that it's actually gone into negative-funny: it actually makes you look like a tool. The whole lot of you could be replaced by a very small macro, really. Rells, I tip my hat to you. Edit: I'm talking about the forums here - psychotic ganking and such is all a part of Eve. Trolling threads with all the wit and sophistication of a condom isn't. QFT

Naervic Gallente Brotherhood of the Shadows Momentum Alliance	Posted - 2007.11.03 00:01:00 - [221] Edited by: Naervic on 03/11/2007 00:02:52 In the name of all that is Holy and right, what did I just read in this first four pages? For the past couple of years I have assumed that this community was mostly composed of mature, adult figures with at least an average if not above average intelligence. Sure we had trolls and idiots but usually they were smacked down quickly. And then comes this thread! I read the opening post and find myself agreeing with the OP, so I start to scroll down and post after post of filth is spewed out by trolls who seemingly spawn out of nowhere. Threats are made, unnecessary insults abound, the entire thing degenerates into some barbaric orgy of idiocy and hate. Little twelve year olds dancing behind the veil of anonymity laughing gleefully. How dare anyone try and raise this community above that of that of World of Warcraft! This is putrid and disgusting. Not even my sparse browsings through their forums did I spot posts like this. I don't give a care if this is the internet, and a game forum. Show some decency, show some respect! We're not fighting over our much beloved pixels here, so turn off the "maniacal raving imp" mode and treat people as if this was real life. Just because the threat of being strangled for your idiotic and antagonistic words has been removed does not mean you should post like a demented and sadistic baboon. Your signature exceeds the maximum allowed filesize of 24000 bytes -Valorem ([email protected])
Rells Caldari Agony Unleashed Agony Empire	Posted - 2007.11.03 00:11:00 - [222] Originally by: Roy Batty68 Originally by: Jenny Spitfire Rells, I can't believe you are asking a forum full of griefers, gankers, virtual criminals about forums hellhole. This game is crime-online and the player base are quite criminalistic minded and you expect decent criticisms? PVP game. I think you missed that bit when you bought your account. You've sat yourself down at a poker table and are complaining about having to play cards. And now your complaining about all the lousy gamblers around you... Doesn't make a whole hell of alot of sense, does it? And there are WoW forums that are worse than this one. So how does that work? It's a stupid association to try and make. Virtual criminals? Your apparent aversion to pvp and the resulting internal conflicts it's causing you does not in any way equal Eve having the dregs of the internet for players. It just means you have yet to come to terms with you and Eve possibly not being a good match. 1) As an avid poker player, I can tell you that any card room would throw you our for acting like an *******. Because you are competing with them in a game does not give you license to drop all standards of human decency. There is quite a big difference between shooting my ship in a game and threatening my children. If you cant see that difference then you have a SERIOUS sociopathic defect. 2) I have an aversion to pvp? Where do you get that out of my post? Thouse who know me in game or have encountered me in game would probably find youre assertion about my feelings toward pvp ... humorus. PVP is in the game and it is part of the game and that doesnt give you license to threaten people in real life, threaten their family or otherwise. Four years is long enough to leave the corp interface broken!
Gretek Lal Minmatar Fractal Holdings Ltd.	Posted - 2007.11.03 00:11:00 - [223] Originally by: Rells Edited by: Rells on 02/11/2007 06:42:32This place is sewer. Full of people that use internet anonymity to do things that would earn them two knocked out teeth in real life. You've hit it exactly. The game, too, is filled with such people. That's why I have not played in more than a month and have been seriously considering leaving Eve entirely.
Rells Caldari Agony Unleashed Agony Empire	Posted - 2007.11.03 00:15:00 - [224] Originally by: Seventri Originally by: CampyloBacter {Edited for civility} and yes seventri, people did die, including both my grandfathers, to defend the freedom of speech which the western world has as its foundation and which people abuse every second of every day. We abuse it by using it. This is me caring. ONOES Freedom of speech is not a license to say whatever you want to anyone. You cant yell "fire" in a crowded public venue, incite people to riots, threaten to kill someone, give away government secrets and so on. Nor does freedom of speech grant you immunity to repercussions of that speech. As a result of this thread my opinion of this community has dropped considerably. I have gone from feeling it was an intellectual, mostly level headed community to the firm belief that 80% of it is trash. Four years is long enough to leave the corp interface broken!
Rells Caldari Agony Unleashed Agony Empire	Posted - 2007.11.03 00:16:00 - [225] Originally by: Gretek Lal Originally by: Rells Edited by: Rells on 02/11/2007 06:42:32This place is sewer. Full of people that use internet anonymity to do things that would earn them two knocked out teeth in real life. You've hit it exactly. The game, too, is filled with such people. That's why I have not played in more than a month and have been seriously considering leaving Eve entirely. The game is good. Dont give them the satisfaction. Instead make their lives miserable in game. Its much more fun. Trust to karma or just the equilibrium of the universe that they will get theirs eventually. Four years is long enough to leave the corp interface broken!
An Anarchyyt Gallente Sublime.	Posted - 2007.11.03 00:21:00 - [226] Edited by: An Anarchyyt on 03/11/2007 00:22:12 Also, in these threads I really like how people say the anonymity of the internet prevents the people who would use violence, from using it on them. Because we all know that punching people (and using thinly veiled threats), makes you much more of a man. So, threats and amateur psychology, Jung is proud. Originally by: CCP Wrangler Second, a gentile is a non jewish person
Naervic Gallente Brotherhood of the Shadows Momentum Alliance	Posted - 2007.11.03 00:27:00 - [227] Originally by: An Anarchyyt Edited by: An Anarchyyt on 03/11/2007 00:22:12 Also, in these threads I really like how people say the anonymity of the internet prevents the people who would use violence, from using it on them. Because we all know that punching people (and using thinly veiled threats), makes you much more of a man. So, threats and amateur psychology, Jung is proud. I believe that in many of these cases this is what is being said. What is being said by trolls are deemed fighting words intended to antagonize and create anger. Many a time these are words that would generally escalate to a physical fight. Thus most people try to keep their words within a certain boundary if not from respect for others, than for respect for one's own physical well being. When it comes to the internet some find that they don't have to worry about things escalating to a physical fight and we get what is known as a troll, a little smudge of a person who has complete freedom to say what he wants without ever worrying about who he hurts or insults because he and his precious self are safe. Your signature exceeds the maximum allowed filesize of 24000 bytes -Valorem ([email protected])
An Anarchyyt Gallente Sublime.	Posted - 2007.11.03 00:33:00 - [228] Edited by: An Anarchyyt on 03/11/2007 00:33:47 Originally by: Naervic Originally by: An Anarchyyt Edited by: An Anarchyyt on 03/11/2007 00:22:12 Also, in these threads I really like how people say the anonymity of the internet prevents the people who would use violence, from using it on them. Because we all know that punching people (and using thinly veiled threats), makes you much more of a man. So, threats and amateur psychology, Jung is proud. I believe that in many of these cases this is what is being said. What is being said by trolls are deemed fighting words intended to antagonize and create anger. Many a time these are words that would generally escalate to a physical fight. Thus most people try to keep their words within a certain boundary if not from respect for others, than for respect for one's own physical well being. When it comes to the internet some find that they don't have to worry about things escalating to a physical fight and we get what is known as a troll, a little smudge of a person who has complete freedom to say what he wants without ever worrying about who he hurts or insults because he and his precious self are safe. A lot of what I'm saying also has to do with the way people say it, things like "earn them two knocked out teeth in real life." It sounds like more than just an observation. All in all, I really see no point to people really getting that **ed off about words in the first place. But given the anonymity here, it seems even more ridiculous that people will get upset, as there is likely to be much less truth. And just from my observations, people who are like this here, or in any other internet based forum, they tend to also be a pain in person too, whether it is on the surface or deep down. What I see here is people who don't have that fear, so they let their "true" personality slip through. Of course, these are all just empirical observations, and unlike many people here, I don't claim to know exactly why this happens or what goes through peopls minds. Originally by:** CCP Wrangler Second, a gentile is a non jewish person
Naervic Gallente Brotherhood of the Shadows Momentum Alliance	Posted - 2007.11.03 00:43:00 - [229] Originally by: An Anarchyyt Edited by: An Anarchyyt on 03/11/2007 00:33:47 Originally by: Naervic Originally by: An Anarchyyt Edited by: An Anarchyyt on 03/11/2007 00:22:12 Also, in these threads I really like how people say the anonymity of the internet prevents the people who would use violence, from using it on them. Because we all know that punching people (and using thinly veiled threats), makes you much more of a man. So, threats and amateur psychology, Jung is proud. I believe that in many of these cases this is what is being said. What is being said by trolls are deemed fighting words intended to antagonize and create anger. Many a time these are words that would generally escalate to a physical fight. Thus most people try to keep their words within a certain boundary if not from respect for others, than for respect for one's own physical well being. When it comes to the internet some find that they don't have to worry about things escalating to a physical fight and we get what is known as a troll, a little smudge of a person who has complete freedom to say what he wants without ever worrying about who he hurts or insults because he and his precious self are safe. A lot of what I'm saying also has to do with the way people say it, things like "earn them two knocked out teeth in real life." It sounds like more than just an observation. All in all, I really see no point to people really getting that ****ed off about words in the first place. But given the anonymity here, it seems even more ridiculous that people will get upset, as there is likely to be much less truth. And just from my observations, people who are like this here, or in any other internet based forum, they tend to also be a pain in person too, whether it is on the surface or deep down. What I see here is people who don't have that fear, so they let their "true" personality slip through. Of course, these are all just empirical observations, and unlike many people here, I don't claim to know exactly why this happens or what goes through peopls minds. I believe the frustration comes from the helplessness of one who tries to get a point across, tries to get action done, and then becomes inundated by the filth of trolls as they haphazardly throw their excrement, spattering it across the computer screen. And I have to agree with you on how trolls truely are, letting a bit of how they really are slip through. One can only hope some day a person can dropkick them for their utter disrespect and selfishness. Your signature exceeds the maximum allowed filesize of 24000 bytes -Valorem ([email protected])
Sharupak Minmatar Knights Of the Black Sun Rule of Three	Posted - 2007.11.03 00:56:00 - [230] Your a big boy. Making decisions and all of that. There are about 900 boards on the internet with thoughtful discussion on this game. Try one of them out. You dont have to read this one. In all actuality, this is one of the worst boards to get the correct information from even if the thread is devoid of flaming. People here are so full of ****. _______________________________________________ RuntimeError: ChainEvent is blocking by design, but you're block trapped. You have'll have to find some alternative means to do Your Thing, dude.

Roy Batty68 Caldari Immortal Dead	Posted - 2007.11.03 01:02:00 - [231] Originally by: Rells Originally by: Roy Batty68 Originally by: Jenny Spitfire Rells, I can't believe you are asking a forum full of griefers, gankers, virtual criminals about forums hellhole. This game is crime-online and the player base are quite criminalistic minded and you expect decent criticisms? PVP game. I think you missed that bit when you bought your account. You've sat yourself down at a poker table and are complaining about having to play cards. And now your complaining about all the lousy gamblers around you... Doesn't make a whole hell of alot of sense, does it? And there are WoW forums that are worse than this one. So how does that work? It's a stupid association to try and make. Virtual criminals? Your apparent aversion to pvp and the resulting internal conflicts it's causing you does not in any way equal Eve having the dregs of the internet for players. It just means you have yet to come to terms with you and Eve possibly not being a good match. 1) As an avid poker player, I can tell you that any card room would throw you our for acting like an *****. Because you are competing with them in a game does not give you license to drop all standards of human decency. There is quite a big difference between shooting my ship in a game and threatening my children. If you cant see that difference then you have a SERIOUS sociopathic defect. 2) I have an aversion to pvp? Where do you get that out of my post? Thouse who know me in game or have encountered me in game would probably find youre assertion about my feelings toward pvp ... humorus. PVP is in the game and it is part of the game and that doesnt give you license to threaten people in real life, threaten their family or otherwise. So... you're Jenny Spitfire? I had agreed with your sentiment. And disagreed with her's.,,, I'm not even going to attempt to explain the poker analogy to you. Things just got far too bizarre. Originally by:** Big Al Well, if there was a law against stupidity, the server would certainly lag less.
ViolenTUK Gallente Vindicated Exiles 101010 Alliance	Posted - 2007.11.03 01:11:00 - [232] Originally by: Rells Nor does freedom of speech grant you immunity to repercussions of that speech. www.eve-players.com
Seventri	Posted - 2007.11.03 01:13:00 - [233] Originally by: Rells Freedom of speech is not a license to say whatever you want to anyone. You cant yell "fire" in a crowded public venue, incite people to riots, threaten to kill someone, give away government secrets and so on. Nor does freedom of speech grant you immunity to repercussions of that speech. gtfo, diaf.
Sharupak Minmatar Knights Of the Black Sun Rule of Three	Posted - 2007.11.03 01:22:00 - [234] Originally by: Rells Freedom of speech is not a license to say whatever you want to anyone. You cant yell "fire" in a crowded public venue, incite people to riots, threaten to kill someone, give away government secrets and so on. Nor does freedom of speech grant you immunity to repercussions of that speech. Using freedom in the same sentence with license makes you a complete moron. _______________________________________________ RuntimeError: ChainEvent is blocking by design, but you're block trapped. You have'll have to find some alternative means to do Your Thing, dude.
Lucia Warbler Eve University	Posted - 2007.11.03 01:33:00 - [235] Edited by: Lucia Warbler on 03/11/2007 01:32:58 How about some click-ing here? I think this topic may have well served a purpose. The level of personal attack has been taken to extreme levels again, so maybe CCP will look into it and do something this time.
Mel Ionix	Posted - 2007.11.03 01:38:00 - [236] The forums are an utter ****in disgrace these days and it's mostly CCP's fault IMO... I also cannot BELIEVE that people used to say Eve had the best community etc.... it's clearly fast becoming the worst
Paulo Damarr	Posted - 2007.11.03 01:40:00 - [237] I think CCP should host a new attraction called "Fist Fest" and set up a bar with plastic beer glasses and lots of stella artois and then put all the trolls and idiots in there. Originally by: MOTOK0 A bit like the second coming of jesus only with screaming and tears and whine threads.
Threv Echandari Caldari Dragons Of Redemption Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.11.03 01:54:00 - [238] Edited by: Threv Echandari on 03/11/2007 01:55:47 Edited by: Threv Echandari on 03/11/2007 01:55:01 Rells, your a Good Guy, and there are lots of nice Folks who do post constructively with their mains. I only read the first page and noticed the amount of Ball-less F..kers replying with alts. (who would getheir teeth knocked in- were they to be this rude in person. Unfortunatley thats the nature of the internet and has been since it was opened to the public. People dont know when to keep their Assholiness confined to the game. They are Social R-tards and unfotunately the only people who can manage it is CCP. It's their forum and they are they ones who have allowed it to turn into the sewer that it is. This is the one part of the game the Hellmar and company cannot point to with any kind of pride. I am all for free speech, but its so easy to abuse when no one seems to care, or perhaps thinks its part of the "Dirty Dark World blah blah." people who have Real Gripes with the state of play and get frustrated get banned when they try to do something while the asshats have free reign. I'm afaid your tilting at windmills.
DarthMopp Gallente I.D.I.O.T.	Posted - 2007.11.03 07:37:00 - [239] Originally by: Paulo Damarr I think CCP should host a new attraction called "Fist Fest" and set up a bar with plastic beer glasses and lots of stella artois and then put all the trolls and idiots in there. That would be a very nice idea....to see all these cowards who only have a big mouth when sitting in front of their screen. Guess this would be one of the most peaceful partys ever. "Alea iacta est"
WAuter Gallente	Posted - 2007.11.04 16:15:00 - [240] Originally by: Mr Bodacious people troll just because they can incite aggression in other people and remain anonymous. if someone told me to my face that they wished my family would die in a fire and my 2 children/wife would die horribly in front of my eyes, i'd punch the guy right in the teeth. course, you can't kick the sh*t out of somebody here when they say something out of line, so thats why they do it. Hunt him down ingame and kill him all over untill he ran out of clones and money to buy a new one!

3rdD Dave Gallente Deadly Addiction	Posted - 2007.11.04 19:18:00 - [241] While I`ve never agreed with anything Rells said and even believe most of the crap he spouts is from his arse ;) ( EVE RELATED )... i entirely and seriously agree with him on his OP. Ive said it for ages.. the EVE community are total scrum bags. Not them all mind you, some peeps on here are funny, witty and very helpful, but they're in the extreme minority. It is without a doubt, the most negative and immature community I have ever come across, im 34 so been around the web/ forums for years.. this forum isn't very nice at all, but you have to tolerate it and rise above those who do their best to drag you down. And there was completely no need for that third or forth reply, where Rells was told to burn in real life. How would you feel if i said " I hope your mother,dad, son etc gets cancer"? which is imo in the same bloody ball park as your comment. Its a ****ty thing to say..So why say it? TBFH it speaks volumes about your personality mate, I'm glad I'm not related or know you. For Rells, remember, if there's an ass-hole in you in real life any ways, this forum will only exacerbates it.
Tortun Nahme Minmatar Heimatar Services Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.11.04 19:19:00 - [242] some of aren't jerks, we just like the attention I'm currently involved in medical research, concerning the therapuetic aspects of a swift kick in the rear What do zombies and forum posters have in common? They like to sit about and moan!
Chromakey Dreamcoat Caldari Model Of Aggression	Posted - 2007.11.04 19:29:00 - [243] So threatening to punch the troll in the face to death with much anger and vengeance makes you the "better" person?
Tortun Nahme Minmatar Heimatar Services Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.11.04 19:32:00 - [244] I doubt it, but it certainly makes the troll feel better! I'm currently involved in medical research, concerning the therapuetic aspects of a swift kick in the rear What do zombies and forum posters have in common? They like to sit about and moan!
An Anarchyyt Gallente Sublime.	Posted - 2007.11.04 19:36:00 - [245] Originally by: Naervic I believe the frustration comes from the helplessness of one who tries to get a point across, tries to get action done, and then becomes inundated by the filth of trolls as they haphazardly throw their excrement, spattering it across the computer screen. And I have to agree with you on how trolls truely are, letting a bit of how they really are slip through. One can only hope some day a person can dropkick them for their utter disrespect and selfishness. I guess I could see the frustration a bit more if peopel were to post constructively to begin with. But to be honest, most of where the hardcore trolling comes in, is in threads that are whines or utterly stupid to begin with. Or things that are re-hashes of the same thread we've had a million times before. I can freely admit that this is the same way I tread people who spout off this type of stuff in person, and it isn't like I have my big mound of inhibitions. However, I think the one main thing is, in person, I would never be friends with people who whined or do any of this other stuff, so I generally avoid them. Of course, I still have plenty of group activity type things to deal with. I think I've gotten myself off topic here. Originally by: CCP Wrangler Second, a gentile is a non jewish person
Tortun Nahme Minmatar Heimatar Services Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.11.04 19:38:00 - [246] or to simplify it "I'd be an ass to idiots in real life too, if they weren't so easy to avoid" I'm currently involved in medical research, concerning the therapuetic aspects of a swift kick in the rear What do zombies and forum posters have in common? They like to sit about and moan!
Sarkkon	Posted - 2007.11.04 19:43:00 - [247] The OP posts an obvious troll post. Then get mad when it get results? Trolls sprang into existance meer seconds after Al Gore invented the Internet. And with Manbearpig protecting them they will not disapear anytime soon.
3rdD Dave Gallente Deadly Addiction	Posted - 2007.11.04 19:43:00 - [248] Originally by: Chromakey Dreamcoat So threatening to punch the troll in the face to death with much anger and vengeance makes you the "better" person? Well in short no, but would you insult another person in the same way if they beat your face to messy pulp for an inhuman insult? Seriously I dont think you would, or I, or anyone. Your question; its not about the morale higher ground, its simply about teaching some potty mouthed **** some manners.
Tortun Nahme Minmatar Heimatar Services Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.11.04 19:44:00 - [249] yes, because violence is certainly a better way to deal with things than insults I'm currently involved in medical research, concerning the therapuetic aspects of a swift kick in the rear What do zombies and forum posters have in common? They like to sit about and moan!
An Anarchyyt Gallente Sublime.	Posted - 2007.11.04 19:46:00 - [250] Originally by: Tortun Nahme or to simplify it "I'd be an ass to idiots in real life too, if they weren't so easy to avoid" That is basically the gist of it. And yet, I haven't gotten into any fights. It must be the tattoos, makes me seem tough. Because it certainly isn't the 125lbs I've got going on here. Originally by: CCP Wrangler Second, a gentile is a non jewish person

3rdD Dave Gallente Deadly Addiction	Posted - 2007.11.04 19:47:00 - [251] Originally by: Tortun Nahme yes, because violence is certainly a better way to deal with things than insults Well I dont agree, usually, but lets face it, some people on here could do with a slap around the ear hole to wise them up mate :P
Drek Grapper Minmatar	Posted - 2007.11.04 19:48:00 - [252] Originally by: Rells Edited by: Rells on 02/11/2007 07:41:37 Originally by: Irob Urore So your the sort of person that goes around knocking peoples teeth out in real life, then you wonder why people like being anonymous. Interesting. If someone threatened my family or my children or called my wife a *** in RL, you better believe they would be counting themselves lucky to be just picking themselves up off the ground with a groggy head. There are truly repulsive things said here. Ive seen people getting called pedophiles, told to commit suicide, told that they should die and a ton of other things that would at least earn them a trip to the dentist office in real life. This is called social boundaries. Your actions have consequences and you better think about them before you do them. But then again properly raised and taught individuals wouldn't do this stuff, not because of the consequences but just because it is wrong. EDIT: I dont wonder why they want to be anonymous. The reason is simple. Cowardice and malice in combination. This. Butyou have to remember...not everyone was properly raised. ------------------------------------------------ 'The thing always happens that you really believe in... and the belief in a thing makes it happen' - Frank Loyd Wright**
Tortun Nahme Minmatar Heimatar Services Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.11.04 19:50:00 - [253] Mah! I like violence as much as the next Canuck, even more than most maybe! BAR FIGHTS OVER INSULTS FTW! of course knocking someones teeth out then buying them a drink is canadian tradition I'm currently involved in medical research, concerning the therapuetic aspects of a swift kick in the rear What do zombies and forum posters have in common? They like to sit about and moan!
Naervic Gallente Brotherhood of the Shadows Momentum Alliance	Posted - 2007.11.04 19:51:00 - [254] Violence serves its uses ya know. Its a good deterrent so that a great many of activities are not committed in fear of said violence directed at oneself. Lets face it some people have no moral upbringing, are selfish, will do what they want, and say what they want. The only thing that makes it even passably possible to be around them is the threat of a swift kick in the pants if they push things to far. Your signature exceeds the maximum allowed filesize of 24000 bytes -Valorem ([email protected])
An Anarchyyt Gallente Sublime.	Posted - 2007.11.04 19:52:00 - [255] Edited by: An Anarchyyt on 04/11/2007 19:52:33 Originally by: 3rdD Dave Originally by: Tortun Nahme yes, because violence is certainly a better way to deal with things than insults Well I dont agree, usually, but lets face it, some people on here could do with a slap around the ear hole to wise them up mate :P Maybe. Or maybe violence just begets more violence. Originally by: Naervic Violence serves its uses ya know. Its a good deterrent so that a great many of activities are not committed in fear of said violence directed at oneself. Lets face it some people have no moral upbringing, are selfish, will do what they want, and say what they want. The only thing that makes it even passably possible to be around them is the threat of a swift kick in the pants if they push things to far. It is more like a temporary solution to a long problem, and its results are only immediate, and do not fix the long term issue. Of course, there is a big difference when you have a military or terrorist organization behind you. Originally by: CCP Wrangler Second, a gentile is a non jewish person
Naervic Gallente Brotherhood of the Shadows Momentum Alliance	Posted - 2007.11.04 19:55:00 - [256] Originally by: Naervic Violence serves its uses ya know. Its a good deterrent so that a great many of activities are not committed in fear of said violence directed at oneself. Lets face it some people have no moral upbringing, are selfish, will do what they want, and say what they want. The only thing that makes it even passably possible to be around them is the threat of a swift kick in the pants if they push things to far. It is more like a temporary solution to a long problem, and its results are only immediate, and do not fix the long term issue. Of course, there is a big difference when you have a military or terrorist organization behind you. You are correct there, but in a social setting with social boundaries it does force idiots and trolls to act a certain way if they want to participate in life with normal people. But there is frankly little we can do on the internet, need the moderators to do something about it... For instance... The first four pages of filth on this thread. Your signature exceeds the maximum allowed filesize of 24000 bytes -Valorem ([email protected])
An Anarchyyt Gallente Sublime.	Posted - 2007.11.04 19:58:00 - [257] Originally by: Naervic You are correct there, but in a social setting with social boundaries it does force idiots and trolls to act a certain way if they want to participate in life with normal people. But there is frankly little we can do on the internet, need the moderators to do something about it... For instance... The first four pages of filth on this thread. Moderators would be nice. In fact, this thread doesn't even really need to exist. But hopefully we're getting more soon. But as far as societal boundaries, there is also the adage, "Sticks and stones, etc etc." And I'd really say the violence would be looked down more than the person saying stuff. Of course, it also depends on what society, and maybe if you're a Ninja, having to commit Seppuku. Originally by: CCP Wrangler Second, a gentile is a non jewish person
Naervic Gallente Brotherhood of the Shadows Momentum Alliance	Posted - 2007.11.04 20:01:00 - [258] Originally by: An Anarchyyt Originally by: Naervic You are correct there, but in a social setting with social boundaries it does force idiots and trolls to act a certain way if they want to participate in life with normal people. But there is frankly little we can do on the internet, need the moderators to do something about it... For instance... The first four pages of filth on this thread. Moderators would be nice. In fact, this thread doesn't even really need to exist. But hopefully we're getting more soon. But as far as societal boundaries, there is also the adage, "Sticks and stones, etc etc." And I'd really say the violence would be looked down more than the person saying stuff. Of course, it also depends on what society, and maybe if you're a Ninja, having to commit Seppuku. I actually think that last one is just general Japanese society... But in most normal situations violence would be looked down upon, but if some of the things said in this thread were repeated in the actual world, and not behind the protection of a monitor... I personally would have no issue with a bit of physical force. Some things just cross the a thin line. --_-- Your signature exceeds the maximum allowed filesize of 24000 bytes -Valorem ([email protected])
An Anarchyyt Gallente Sublime.	Posted - 2007.11.04 20:06:00 - [259] Originally by: Naervic I actually think that last one is just general Japanese society... But in most normal situations violence would be looked down upon, but if some of the things said in this thread were repeated in the actual world, and not behind the protection of a monitor... I personally would have no issue with a bit of physical force. Some things just cross the a thin line. --_-- To be fair, I didn't even read most of this thread. I saw the trolling and the amateur psychology come out, and I knew what was going to happen. And of course, I will allow anyone, any time, anywhere on my travels, to come by and talk about whatever/have tea/beat me up, if they feel so inclined too. Originally by: CCP Wrangler Second, a gentile is a non jewish person
Naervic Gallente Brotherhood of the Shadows Momentum Alliance	Posted - 2007.11.04 20:11:00 - [260] Originally by: An Anarchyyt To be fair, I didn't even read most of this thread. I saw the trolling and the amateur psychology come out, and I knew what was going to happen. And of course, I will allow anyone, any time, anywhere on my travels, to come by and talk about whatever/have tea/beat me up, if they feel so inclined too. I have to respect that. But I can only take so much before I decide it is enough. I saw some pretty ugly insults against the OP and his family in this thread by the little trolls, and my respect for the EVE community great dissipated. I can only laugh when someone says this community is mature and high above the WoW community. Your signature exceeds the maximum allowed filesize of 24000 bytes -Valorem ([email protected])

Tortun Nahme Minmatar Heimatar Services Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.11.04 20:14:00 - [261] HECK were you ever on the WoW forums before they got moderators? LOL I'm currently involved in medical research, concerning the therapuetic aspects of a swift kick in the rear What do zombies and forum posters have in common? They like to sit about and moan!
Amarria Black Clan Anthraxx	Posted - 2007.11.04 20:16:00 - [262] Originally by: Ciphero Edited by: Ciphero on 02/11/2007 21:44:15 A large portion of the post(ers) in this thread have really made me re-evaluate what I thought was a fairly decent community. That same portion is either seriously deluded with regard to the level of their own wit or must have real self-loathing issues. I'm not sure if I feel as strongly and venomously about it as Rells seems to, but I can't disagree with any sentiment he's expressed here. There are too many people who seem to think that they're edgy and controversial with their fantastically predictable comments; the upside is that these comments have become so run of the mill that they now only come across as sad, rather than offensive and sad. Supposedly snappy one liners like "die in a fire" and the like have become so over-used that it's actually gone into negative-funny: it actually makes you look like a tool. The whole lot of you could be replaced by a very small macro, really. Rells, I tip my hat to you. Edit: I'm talking about the forums here - psychotic ganking and such is all a part of Eve. Trolling threads with all the wit and sophistication of a condom isn't. Are you really not getting it? Can you not tell from the fact that most of the "troll" posts in this thread are half reasoned arguments and half pure vitriol? Rells is only getting the e-hate responses because of the provocative topic and OP. As I said earlier in the thread, call and response. Rells issued the Call to Profane Worship, and we all presented our offerings of filth and garbage. He had an opinion of the EVE playerbase, and specifically of the portion of the community who chooses to post on the forums. We gave him what he wanted. To some degree, you're correct. A good number of the trolls you find around here are just shooting off at the mouth. That said, think about who is doing the trolling. The established members. The normal people. The status quo. Someone complains that EVE, the game with a learning curve that resembles a facking brick wall, is inscrutable and beyond unforgiving. What's the automatic response? "CAN I HAVE YOUR STUFF?" GO BACK TO WOW!!" This is beyond common, it's accepted. And some of these people who gleefully smack-talk and denigrate the newest and most vulnerable of our brethren are the same who decry the pitiful state of these boards. Just because the hate is pointed at you, don't pretend that you're all pure as the driven snow. Remove the log from your own eye, you sadists, you opportunists, you hypocrites, before you help your brother remove the speck from his eye.
Amarria Black Clan Anthraxx	Posted - 2007.11.04 20:20:00 - [263] Originally by: Tortun Nahme HECK were you ever on the WoW forums before they got moderators? LOL Post-moderation was just as bad. The Great Druid Uprising, The Fifth of December, the Shaman Riots? Only person to fear was Coreiel... The Avenging Angel showed up, you STFU, or you ate the banhammer.
An Anarchyyt Gallente Sublime.	Posted - 2007.11.04 20:20:00 - [264] Originally by: Naervic Originally by: An Anarchyyt To be fair, I didn't even read most of this thread. I saw the trolling and the amateur psychology come out, and I knew what was going to happen. And of course, I will allow anyone, any time, anywhere on my travels, to come by and talk about whatever/have tea/beat me up, if they feel so inclined too. I have to respect that. But I can only take so much before I decide it is enough. I saw some pretty ugly insults against the OP and his family in this thread by the little trolls, and my respect for the EVE community great dissipated. I can only laugh when someone says this community is mature and high above the WoW community. But why? They are just baseless insults, by someone you've never even talked to before. Why give any validity to what they're doing? Originally by: CCP Wrangler Second, a gentile is a non jewish person
Naervic Gallente Brotherhood of the Shadows Momentum Alliance	Posted - 2007.11.04 20:20:00 - [265] Originally by: Tortun Nahme HECK were you ever on the WoW forums before they got moderators? LOL No, but give this forum a few weeks without moderators and I would not be surprised to see the anarchy that would befall the forums. Some of the posts I read were totally uncalled for, insipid, and disgusting. I've played World of Warcraft before, and I personally never encountered anyone like that. I browsed the forums every now and then, and never came across such threads full of hate. You can't advertise this community as "adult" or "mature" when you have people pages full of crap like that. Your signature exceeds the maximum allowed filesize of 24000 bytes -Valorem ([email protected])
Tortun Nahme Minmatar Heimatar Services Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.11.04 20:21:00 - [266] HEY! Give us forum warriors credit, we do a damn fine job running off the less amusing trolls I'm currently involved in medical research, concerning the therapuetic aspects of a swift kick in the rear What do zombies and forum posters have in common? They like to sit about and moan!
Naervic Gallente Brotherhood of the Shadows Momentum Alliance	Posted - 2007.11.04 20:33:00 - [267] Originally by: An Anarchyyt But why? They are just baseless insults, by someone you've never even talked to before. Why give any validity to what they're doing? Because once people know you won't retaliate they circle like vultures, more and more coming, things keep escalating. It becomes a game to them. Show any weakness and they bite. Once things reach a certain point, you have to stand up for yourself and tell 'em you're not gonna take anymore of the crap they're throwing at ya. Anyways, we're digressing here I think. =P Your signature exceeds the maximum allowed filesize of 24000 bytes -Valorem ([email protected])
Amarria Black Clan Anthraxx	Posted - 2007.11.04 20:34:00 - [268] Originally by: Naervic Originally by: Tortun Nahme HECK were you ever on the WoW forums before they got moderators? LOL No, but give this forum a few weeks without moderators and I would not be surprised to see the anarchy that would befall the forums. Some of the posts I read were totally uncalled for, insipid, and disgusting. I've played World of Warcraft before, and I personally never encountered anyone like that. I browsed the forums every now and then, and never came across such threads full of hate. You can't advertise this community as "adult" or "mature" when you have people pages full of crap like that. Then you never spent any time in WoW General Discussion. The only good thread was a locked thread, and the shyte threads ran for multiple pages. The only difference between EVE-O and WoW General is the L33T SP33K.
An Anarchyyt Gallente Sublime.	Posted - 2007.11.04 20:37:00 - [269] Originally by: Naervic Originally by: An Anarchyyt But why? They are just baseless insults, by someone you've never even talked to before. Why give any validity to what they're doing? Because once people know you won't retaliate they circle like vultures, more and more coming, things keep escalating. It becomes a game to them. Show any weakness and they bite. Once things reach a certain point, you have to stand up for yourself and tell 'em you're not gonna take anymore of the crap they're throwing at ya. Anyways, we're digressing here I think. =P But I don't really think that is true. I mean, they're not really going to do anything but say crap, if they are doing things that are actually messing up with your daily life, that is another story, then you might need to be a bit more proactive. This is just coming from someone who got into a whole bunch of fights when I was younger. It really never solved, or stopped anything for any sort of extended period of time. And in many respects, just made things worse among the people I was around. And really, I don't think this thread has much of a point, or constructive nature to it, so I'm just steering it in my own direction. Originally by: CCP Wrangler Second, a gentile is a non jewish person
Naervic Gallente Brotherhood of the Shadows Momentum Alliance	Posted - 2007.11.04 20:47:00 - [270] Edited by: Naervic on 04/11/2007 20:48:26 Originally by: An Anarchyyt But I don't really think that is true. I mean, they're not really going to do anything but say crap, if they are doing things that are actually messing up with your daily life, that is another story, then you might need to be a bit more proactive. This is just coming from someone who got into a whole bunch of fights when I was younger. It really never solved, or stopped anything for any sort of extended period of time. And in many respects, just made things worse among the people I was around. And really, I don't think this thread has much of a point, or constructive nature to it, so I'm just steering it in my own direction. Actually thats why I commented on why some of these posts in this thread could probably constitute physical force. Let me see if I can remember some of the things said correctly... Someone told the OP to go die in a fire. Someone accused him of abusing his family, If I remember correctly even there was a post that told him to go kill his family or children so it would save them the pain... Things got over the top over basic insults anyone can shrug off and ignore. I can shrug off and ignore most things. I've done it many a time, and I can say I've never gotten into a fight (Except with my brother ) But most people don't go that far as what was posted here. Your signature exceeds the maximum allowed filesize of 24000 bytes -Valorem ([email protected])

Tortun Nahme Minmatar Heimatar Services Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.11.04 20:48:00 - [271] well you win at quoting but you still fail for posting constructively I'm currently involved in medical research, concerning the therapuetic aspects of a swift kick in the rear What do zombies and forum posters have in common? They like to sit about and moan!
Naervic Gallente Brotherhood of the Shadows Momentum Alliance	Posted - 2007.11.04 20:49:00 - [272] Originally by: Tortun Nahme well you win at quoting but you still fail for posting constructively I have no idea what you're talking about. Your signature exceeds the maximum allowed filesize of 24000 bytes -Valorem ([email protected])
Tortun Nahme Minmatar Heimatar Services Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.11.04 20:51:00 - [273] I see all I'm currently involved in medical research, concerning the therapuetic aspects of a swift kick in the rear What do zombies and forum posters have in common? They like to sit about and moan!
Naervic Gallente Brotherhood of the Shadows Momentum Alliance	Posted - 2007.11.04 20:59:00 - [274] Originally by: Tortun Nahme I see all Heh... Yeah.. Sometimes this site does that. I'll hit post reply and it'll refresh the page remove my reply and leave only the quotes, I don't notice it and hit post again... =P Usually I catch it and copy the reply I wrote in before anyone notices. Your signature exceeds the maximum allowed filesize of 24000 bytes -Valorem ([email protected])
Tortun Nahme Minmatar Heimatar Services Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.11.04 21:00:00 - [275] I'm at work, i have too much time to spare to miss it I'm currently involved in medical research, concerning the therapuetic aspects of a swift kick in the rear What do zombies and forum posters have in common? They like to sit about and moan!
Surfin's PlunderBunny Minmatar mUfFiN fAcToRy	Posted - 2007.11.04 21:01:00 - [276] Edited by: Surfin''s PlunderBunny on 04/11/2007 21:01:49 I regularly patrol these forums looking for any weak spots I can attack since I hurt my knee surfing (the ocean not the interwebs) I've had a lot of free time Originally by: Liz Kali Tic Toc Tic Toc , time is ticking I owned someone on forums!!!


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