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Dristra Amarr Shadows of the Dead Aftermath Alliance	Posted - 2007.11.04 20:24:00 - [1] With all the coming changes i think the typhoon should get some love. Proposal: Give her 6 turret hardpoints and 6 launcher hardpoints, this would give her some real minmatar versatility, and not a split weapon system of suck. Would make the typhoon in line with the Armageddon It's great being Amarr isn't it.
Satura Caldari Mucho Dolor The Insomniacs	Posted - 2007.11.04 20:30:00 - [2] Edited by: Satura on 04/11/2007 20:30:23 I like it as it is, but that change wouldn't hurt anyone tbh.
Dammar Amarr Ephorate	Posted - 2007.11.04 20:36:00 - [3] You're right. That 33% dps boost to torps does nothing for the phoon. Best rip those fruity launchers off your hull a.s.a.p.
NateX Singularity. Talon Alliance	Posted - 2007.11.04 20:38:00 - [4] who wants to fly tempest then?
Kaathar Rielspar Minmatar Universal Exports	Posted - 2007.11.04 20:45:00 - [5] only change i'd like to see is +5% RoF to Minmatar Battleship Class weaponry (i.e. projs and missiles) to compensate for split weapons and another, new, bonus. 5% extra duct tape per level or something. either way, despite the massive reduction in torp range, i'm looking forward to melting some faces with machinegun torps ____________________
Dristra Amarr Shadows of the Dead Aftermath Alliance	Posted - 2007.11.04 20:52:00 - [6] Originally by: NateX who wants to fly tempest then? People that want to use guns? It's great being Amarr isn't it.
KD.Fluffy The Avalon Foundation Knights Of Syndicate	Posted - 2007.11.04 20:56:00 - [7] phoon is great. its going to be uber with the torp buff too. Boost The Eagle!
Dristra Amarr Shadows of the Dead Aftermath Alliance	Posted - 2007.11.04 21:00:00 - [8] Originally by: KD.Fluffy phoon is great. its going to be uber with the torp buff too. Yea boost the eagle and all the other crappy caldari gunboats, and while im at it, boost the poor rattlesnake too, give it 6 turrets, actually, give it 7 turrets, now its a real faction ship! CCP have already fixed countless split weapon system ships, why not the rest? It's great being Amarr isn't it.
Horza Otho Minmatar Infortunatus Eventus HUZZAH FEDERATION	Posted - 2007.11.04 21:00:00 - [9] It just needs a little more pg to make dual reps possible.
Forsch Auctoritan Syndicate Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2007.11.04 21:58:00 - [10] What about shield and armor hp? Shouldn't those be switched? That's the only change necessary that I see tbh. Forsch Defender of the empire
Anarkia Evangel Slacker Industries	Posted - 2007.11.04 22:25:00 - [11] Originally by: Forsch What about shield and armor hp? Shouldn't those be switched? That's the only change necessary that I see tbh. Something like this i reckon, Minmatar are ment to be able to both Armour and shield tank yet only there capital ships have equal shield and armour hp. If they made it so all Minmatar ships had equal shield/armour i would be very happy. Also some pg/cpu for the phoon wouldnt hurt.
Liang Nuren The Avalon Foundation Knights Of Syndicate	Posted - 2007.11.04 22:52:00 - [12] Originally by: Horza Otho It just needs a little more pg to make dual reps possible. This. Also, 5 turret/5 launcher wouldn't be too bad, tbh... but ^^ that is way more important. Liang -- Retired forum *****. Plz tell me to STFU. Yarr?
6Bagheera9 Slacker Industries Exuro Mortis	Posted - 2007.11.04 23:23:00 - [13] Originally by: Forsch What about shield and armor hp? Shouldn't those be switched? That's the only change necessary that I see tbh. QFT, it also could use some more grid.
d'hofren Uninvited Guests	Posted - 2007.11.05 00:09:00 - [14] TBH the phhon should be moved to tier II bs with its armour and shield hps switched. Pest needs a long look.... It is pretty redundant now, with the mael out sniping it and the new torp phoon out close range brawling it.
Shardrael Caldari AWE Corporation Intrepid Crossing	Posted - 2007.11.05 01:17:00 - [15] hey vaga has split weapons can we boost that too :p
Xequecal	Posted - 2007.11.05 01:26:00 - [16] Originally by: d'hofren TBH the phhon should be moved to tier II bs with its armour and shield hps switched. Pest needs a long look.... It is pretty redundant now, with the mael out sniping it and the new torp phoon out close range brawling it. The Typhoon with new torps only outdamages Tempest on battleships that have MWD active, and then not even by that much. The Typhoon just sucks, I'm sorry.
Cyan Nuevo Dudes In Crazy Killing Ships	Posted - 2007.11.05 01:34:00 - [17] Also, please give my Armageddon full PG to comfortably fit a full rack of mega pulses with a decent tank, too. Wouldn't hurt anyone. --- Proud Amarr pilot.
Satura Caldari Mucho Dolor The Insomniacs	Posted - 2007.11.05 02:03:00 - [18] Edited by: Satura on 05/11/2007 02:05:28 Originally by: Cyan Nuevo Also, please give my Armageddon full PG to comfortably fit a full rack of mega pulses with a decent tank, too. Wouldn't hurt anyone. With Phoon it is a bit different i guess. 4 siege launchers, and 4 of the "smallest" large AC's...that should leave you with enough PG for a decent tank imo. Quote: The Typhoon with new torps only outdamages Tempest on battleships that have MWD active, and then not even by that much. The Typhoon just sucks, I'm sorry. Force some gangmates to fit painters. No, Typhoon doesn't suck.
KD.Fluffy The Avalon Foundation Knights Of Syndicate	Posted - 2007.11.05 02:11:00 - [19] Quote: Yea boost the eagle and all the other crappy caldari gunboats, and while im at it, boost the poor rattlesnake too, give it 6 turrets, actually, give it 7 turrets, now its a real faction ship! CCP have already fixed countless split weapon system ships, why not the rest? the phoon's split weapon system is what makes her great... shes a drone/turret/missle boat. Only problem with the phoon is the insnane SP it takes to get full use out of her. Boost The Eagle!
Stakhanov The Good Fellas	Posted - 2007.11.05 02:35:00 - [20] Originally by: Kaathar Rielspar 5% extra duct tape per level or something. /signed Originally by: F'nog One does not simply log into Jita.
Praxis1452	Posted - 2007.11.05 03:36:00 - [21] Originally by: KD.Fluffy Quote: Yea boost the eagle and all the other crappy caldari gunboats, and while im at it, boost the poor rattlesnake too, give it 6 turrets, actually, give it 7 turrets, now its a real faction ship! CCP have already fixed countless split weapon system ships, why not the rest? the phoon's split weapon system is what makes her great... shes a drone/turret/missle boat. Only problem with the phoon is the insnane SP it takes to get full use out of her. with 5x heavies, 4x siege's, and 4x large auto's you can put out a lot of DPS with the phoon and wiht the new torp buff it can be very good. the tank can be better though.
Incantare Caldari Kernel of War Tau Ceti Federation	Posted - 2007.11.05 03:41:00 - [22] Edited by: Incantare on 05/11/2007 03:44:22 Though extra hardpoints would be nice, I like the Phoon as is and intend to fly one eventually. So it's powergrid gimped and can't effectively use damage mods, fit it accordingly. With a seven slot passive tank it has a massive buffer and can use its fourth mid for something useful, while doing ~800 dps pre torp buff with no damage mods. Also the Rattlesnake wouldn't beneficiate much from extra turret hardpoints, it doesn't have the grid to support them.
Trishan Green Men Incorporated	Posted - 2007.11.05 05:07:00 - [23] I've been arguing in favor of a 6/6 for long time. Note that this would not give the phoon any extra hard points. It could just decide whether it wants to fit more guns or more missiles. It's supposed to be versatile, right?
Riho Magnificent Beavers Exquisite Malevolence	Posted - 2007.11.05 05:28:00 - [24] phoon is a nice ship allready... will be even better after torp buff :) it has quite high DPS whitout putting any dmg mods on the shisp.. can have quite good tank allso :) 4x ac, 4x torp, 5 heavy t2 drones ......... yes u might need to fit a pg rig or rcu in lows to get very good dps and tank but what tier one BS doesnt :)
Galactic Magi	Posted - 2007.11.05 05:50:00 - [25] Originally by: Dristra Edited by: Dristra on 04/11/2007 21:08:44 With all the coming changes i think the typhoon should get some love. Proposal: Give her 6 turret hardpoints and 6 launcher hardpoints, this would give her some real minmatar versatility, and not a split weapon system of suck. Would make the typhoon in line with the Armageddon Edit: Add most of the split weapon ships to the list, and gimped gunships that have to few turrets and silly unbonused launchers. HAHAHA. Nice try. Tell me one person who will fit 6 gun on phoon after it gets 6 launcher slot. Only 2 things phoon needs fixing is that a bit more pg and shield and armor hp switched. nothing else.
Wideen Eon Project	Posted - 2007.11.05 06:10:00 - [26] Edited by: Wideen on 05/11/2007 06:10:55 the phoon is awesome! It won't have the best dps but it will have versatility like there's no tomorrow, with drones, turrets and missiles, i.e. there's not too many things that it can't deal with. And dual reps is possible (although you'd have to cut down on some dps) which allows for an extraordinary tank tbh, especially so with an amount rep rig or two. You won't split your opponent in half but you'll wear him out... btw, liked the duct tape bonus made me lol Edit: I agree with the above poster who summarized the only two annoying things with this ship Originally by: F'nog Your math intrigues me, and I wish to subscribe to its newsletter.
Liang Nuren The Avalon Foundation Knights Of Syndicate	Posted - 2007.11.05 06:51:00 - [27] Originally by: Galactic Magi HAHAHA. Nice try. Tell me one person who will fit 6 gun on phoon after it gets 6 launcher slot. Only 2 things phoon needs fixing is that a bit more pg and shield and armor hp switched. nothing else. Me. I'm gunnery spec'ed. Liang -- Retired forum *****. Plz tell me to STFU. Yarr?
Xequecal	Posted - 2007.11.05 08:35:00 - [28] Originally by: Liang Nuren Originally by: Galactic Magi HAHAHA. Nice try. Tell me one person who will fit 6 gun on phoon after it gets 6 launcher slot. Only 2 things phoon needs fixing is that a bit more pg and shield and armor hp switched. nothing else. Me. I'm gunnery spec'ed. Liang Then fly a Tempest. It will always be better than the Typhoon if you have more gunnery than missile skills, even if the Typhoon becomes 6/6 hardpoints.
Dristra Amarr Shadows of the Dead Aftermath Alliance	Posted - 2007.11.05 08:52:00 - [29] Originally by: Galactic Magi Originally by: Dristra Edited by: Dristra on 04/11/2007 21:08:44 With all the coming changes i think the typhoon should get some love. Proposal: Give her 6 turret hardpoints and 6 launcher hardpoints, this would give her some real minmatar versatility, and not a split weapon system of suck. Would make the typhoon in line with the Armageddon Edit: Add most of the split weapon ships to the list, and gimped gunships that have to few turrets and silly unbonused launchers. HAHAHA. Nice try. Tell me one person who will fit 6 gun on phoon after it gets 6 launcher slot. Only 2 things phoon needs fixing is that a bit more pg and shield and armor hp switched. nothing else. Ummm, well, guns will out-damage cruise(i hope), and out-range torps (new torps have like 30km on the velocity bonus raven after all, alot less on phoon) So it will depend on what you have trained for. It's great being Amarr isn't it.
Adam Weishaupt Minmatar Pyrrhus Sicarii The Church.	Posted - 2007.11.05 09:18:00 - [30] Originally by: d'hofren TBH the phhon should be moved to tier II bs with its armour and shield hps switched. Pest needs a long look.... It is pretty redundant now, with the mael out sniping it and the new torp phoon out close range brawling it. Meh. The Tempest/Mael damage is very close to the same with 6/8 1400's and an equivalent number of gyros, but I still prefer the Tempest. You can do something with the extra high slots if you choose, you aren't forced to shield tank (assuming you want to tank at all), you're faster, more agile, and, most importantly, cheaper! As for the OP: The Typhoon is fine, except for one thing that should have been switched long ago: Its shield and armor HP should be swapped. Instant improvement, and not overpowered. There is no reasonable way to shield tank a typhoon for pvp. You need a MWD, at the very least, and if you need to tackle or sensor boost as well...forget it. You can't do it. And which one of the two is always going to be chosen? Tackling, of course. The typhoon's slot layout screams armor tank, but its armor HP absolutely blows. You don't have to make it as good as the armor-oriented ones. But look: Apoc: 6641/5469 Scorp: 5469/6641 Phoon: 6211/5469 (!) Domi: 5469/6211 The Dominix at least as a layout and stats conducive to defending itself. But can't you give us the extra 430 HP on our armor if we're going to be 'hybrid' tankers? In any case, I only fly the phoon as a cheap NPC ship or as a balls-out DPS boat, but it's hardly outstanding in either role. The nanophoon is still the most specialized use of it.

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