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Gamesguy Amarr D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.11.05 11:15:00 - [31] Originally by: Dristra Originally by: Galactic Magi Originally by: Dristra Edited by: Dristra on 04/11/2007 21:08:44 With all the coming changes i think the typhoon should get some love. Proposal: Give her 6 turret hardpoints and 6 launcher hardpoints, this would give her some real minmatar versatility, and not a split weapon system of suck. Would make the typhoon in line with the Armageddon Edit: Add most of the split weapon ships to the list, and gimped gunships that have to few turrets and silly unbonused launchers. HAHAHA. Nice try. Tell me one person who will fit 6 gun on phoon after it gets 6 launcher slot. Only 2 things phoon needs fixing is that a bit more pg and shield and armor hp switched. nothing else. Ummm, well, guns will out-damage cruise(i hope), and out-range torps (new torps have like 30km on the velocity bonus raven after all, alot less on phoon) So it will depend on what you have trained for. Except not. Everyone would just fly it like an armor tanked raven. 6 launcher phoon will do more dps than a neutron gank mega and use no cap for its weapons/have 20km range. Its imba as hell. And whoever the idiot that was saying phoons only outdamage pest against MWD active battleships need to learn there is a module called a target painter.
Dinslan Minmatar	Posted - 2007.11.05 13:29:00 - [32] Originally by: Kaathar Rielspar only change i'd like to see is +5% RoF to Minmatar Battleship Class weaponry (i.e. projs and missiles) to compensate for split weapons and another, new, bonus. 5% extra duct tape per level or something. To me the Typhoon always cries out for a Target Painter, due to it's use of Missile systems and Drones. So perhaps giving it a 5% painter effectiveness bonus would be neat.
Ath Amon	Posted - 2007.11.05 13:44:00 - [33] you have still to consider that phoon will have not same tank+gank of raven, he will have to chose between tank or gank (and phoon anyway have not much space to dualtank), also its range will be lower than the mega 15km vs 25+ 5 or 6 missiles slots will imo be ok for the phoon and then change the gun bonus with something different... tp or speed will both be nice Originally by: Diana Merris Unfortunately, rather than address the slot layout/tanking issues for Minmatar the Devs have simple declared that it makes us "versitile".
Trishan Green Men Incorporated	Posted - 2007.11.05 14:13:00 - [34] Originally by: Gamesguy HAHAHA. Nice try. Tell me one person who will fit 6 gun on phoon after it gets 6 launcher slot. Really. And here all I could read everywhere was that missiles where the suck for pvp. I'm not sure if I need an irony or a sarcasm tag.. :)
Fogy Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2007.11.05 14:28:00 - [35] If any changes were to be made on the phoon, it should be; Swapping armo/shield hp.. (4 mid's 7 lov's, and more shield than armor..? come on!) more powergrid. Cheers! Fogy Originally by: CCP Sharkbait ps : nerf Zulu in the face
Kagura Nikon Minmatar MASS HOMICIDE Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.11.05 14:37:00 - [36] Don touch my phoon. or you will pay!!! Only thing phoon needs changing is the armor/shield ratio. Typhoon is the only tier 1 BS with 8 weapons, so stop with the stupid split weapon nonsense. A typhoon without ANY damage mod already makes quite good damage, and will do even more on Trinity. > 1000 DPS witha 7 Slot tank !!! Its a great ship. If brute force doesn't solve your problem... you are not using enough
Dristra Amarr Shadows of the Dead Aftermath Alliance	Posted - 2007.11.05 16:13:00 - [37] Originally by: Gamesguy Originally by: Dristra Originally by: Galactic Magi Originally by: Dristra Edited by: Dristra on 04/11/2007 21:08:44 With all the coming changes i think the typhoon should get some love. Proposal: Give her 6 turret hardpoints and 6 launcher hardpoints, this would give her some real minmatar versatility, and not a split weapon system of suck. Would make the typhoon in line with the Armageddon Edit: Add most of the split weapon ships to the list, and gimped gunships that have to few turrets and silly unbonused launchers. HAHAHA. Nice try. Tell me one person who will fit 6 gun on phoon after it gets 6 launcher slot. Only 2 things phoon needs fixing is that a bit more pg and shield and armor hp switched. nothing else. Ummm, well, guns will out-damage cruise(i hope), and out-range torps (new torps have like 30km on the velocity bonus raven after all, alot less on phoon) So it will depend on what you have trained for. Except not. Everyone would just fly it like an armor tanked raven. 6 launcher phoon will do more dps than a neutron gank mega and use no cap for its weapons/have 20km range. Its imba as hell. And whoever the idiot that was saying phoons only outdamage pest against MWD active battleships need to learn there is a module called a target painter. How about just giving it 5 launchers, and 6 turrets? And make shield\armour amount equal. It's great being Amarr isn't it.
Liang Nuren The Avalon Foundation Knights Of Syndicate	Posted - 2007.11.05 16:16:00 - [38] Originally by: Dristra How about just giving it 5 launchers, and 6 turrets? And make shield\armour amount equal. I'd be ok with that, but I'd really prefer the swapped armor / shield hp... And more PG. Don't forget that part plz (esp if you're giving it turret slots....) =) Liang -- Retired forum *****. Plz tell me to STFU. Yarr?
Ath Amon	Posted - 2007.11.06 02:38:00 - [39] Originally by: Kagura Nikon Don touch my phoon. or you will pay!!! Only thing phoon needs changing is the armor/shield ratio. Typhoon is the only tier 1 BS with 8 weapons, so stop with the stupid split weapon nonsense. A typhoon without ANY damage mod already makes quite good damage, and will do even more on Trinity. > 1000 DPS witha 7 Slot tank !!! Its a great ship. atm phoon whitout ANY dmg mod reach just 750dps, a domi (tier1 too) reach 800 to say is the only T1 ships with 8 high doesn't make much sense too as is the dmg curve/dps that matters, if i have a hip that with 1 turret does 1k dps and another that with 10 turrets do 800dps is not that the 10 turret one is better because it have more guns. domi have less turrets and put out more dps with more versatility and better tank/utility... and is T1 too... all of this whitout starting to speak about the split weapon problem. now the torp dps improvement will bring up the ship dps but the tradeoff will be to force it in web/close range, and with a ship with a so and so tank that should dictate range is quite a big drawback Originally by: Diana Merris Unfortunately, rather than address the slot layout/tanking issues for Minmatar the Devs have simple declared that it makes us "versitile".
Byzan Zwyth Dark Centuri Inc. Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.11.06 03:25:00 - [40] I think 6 launchers on the phoon would be overpowered considering the new torp changes ---------------------- Rank: Tech 1 and a 1/2 cannon fodder Pointless forum slowing bandwidth hogging signature pic inc?
Sharupak Minmatar Knights Of the Black Sun Rule of Three	Posted - 2007.11.06 03:29:00 - [41] I guess I have a minority opinion here, but the typhoon is a southpaw can of whoopass already. I think the changes that are comming with drones and torps are going to probably make it the FOTM. _______________________________________________ RuntimeError: ChainEvent is blocking by design, but you're block trapped. You have'll have to find some alternative means to do Your Thing, dude.
Disco Flint Caldari Disco Corp.	Posted - 2007.11.06 05:28:00 - [42] The Phoon is a really decent ship as it is, swap the armor/shield HP and maybe ... maybe a little more grid. But it's far from a being a problem child.
Xequecal	Posted - 2007.11.06 06:37:00 - [43] Originally by: Gamesguy And whoever the idiot that was saying phoons only outdamage pest against MWD active battleships need to learn there is a module called a target painter. And you need to learn the Typhoon has only 4 mid slots, thus no room for a target painter. If we want to add a second ship into the mix I can find a huge amount of combos that are a hell of a lot more powerful than Typhoon + ship with painter.
Amarr knight Mercenaries of Andosia Veritas Immortalis	Posted - 2007.11.06 07:05:00 - [44] Edited by: Amarr knight on 06/11/2007 07:07:31 Originally by: Dristra Originally by: Gamesguy Originally by: Dristra Originally by: Galactic Magi Originally by: Dristra Edited by: Dristra on 04/11/2007 21:08:44 With all the coming changes i think the typhoon should get some love. Proposal: Give her 6 turret hardpoints and 6 launcher hardpoints, this would give her some real minmatar versatility, and not a split weapon system of suck. Would make the typhoon in line with the Armageddon Edit: Add most of the split weapon ships to the list, and gimped gunships that have to few turrets and silly unbonused launchers. HAHAHA. Nice try. Tell me one person who will fit 6 gun on phoon after it gets 6 launcher slot. Only 2 things phoon needs fixing is that a bit more pg and shield and armor hp switched. nothing else. Ummm, well, guns will out-damage cruise(i hope), and out-range torps (new torps have like 30km on the velocity bonus raven after all, alot less on phoon) So it will depend on what you have trained for. Except not. Everyone would just fly it like an armor tanked raven. 6 launcher phoon will do more dps than a neutron gank mega and use no cap for its weapons/have 20km range. Its imba as hell. And whoever the idiot that was saying phoons only outdamage pest against MWD active battleships need to learn there is a module called a target painter. How about just giving it 5 launchers, and 6 turrets? And make shield\armour amount equal. Sounds reasonable. But still why? Damage is not an issue in Typhoon. Its already getting a damage boost with the torpedo buff. Unlike raven its the fastest bs (bar faction) in the game, getting in torp range wont be an issue. Also unlike raven this can fit rest of the slots with guns that WILL get bonuses. And dont forget those ogre IIs. It take alot sp in missile, gunnery, drone and fitting skills to get the best out of phoon but when u have those skills this ship does quite well. Dont get me wrong, i have both minmatar bs 5 and siege spec 4. I would love for ship to have 1 or 2 more launcher slot but thats not main problem with the phoon atm. It needs more pg to fit a proper tank. Its a 7 low slot ship which screams armor tank but has more shield hp then armor. These are the problem that need fixing first. Not more launchers or guns. If your demands are not reasonable Devs will most probably ignore your thread / overlook this ship. Lets not let that happen.
Cilppiz Minmatar FinFleet Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.11.06 07:21:00 - [45] After torpedo boost its more likely that they nerf phoon that boost it
Gamesguy Amarr D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.11.06 10:42:00 - [46] Originally by: Xequecal Originally by: Gamesguy And whoever the idiot that was saying phoons only outdamage pest against MWD active battleships need to learn there is a module called a target painter. And you need to learn the Typhoon has only 4 mid slots, thus no room for a target painter. If we want to add a second ship into the mix I can find a huge amount of combos that are a hell of a lot more powerful than Typhoon + ship with painter. There isnt? MWD, point, web, painter. Omg look at that its a target painter. You dont need cap with an hp buffer setup, which the phoon can do exceedingly well(same as the mega actually), if you burst the mwd you wont need an injector. Or you can field painter drones. So in conclusion, you're an idiot.
Cilppiz Minmatar FinFleet Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.11.06 10:59:00 - [47] Not to even mention that unlike Blasterthrons case Typhoons guns dont need cap to fire making it less fragile to neut/nos, additionally Typhoon has better max speed so its faster even with plates and trimarks, has smaller sig radius and also bigger dronebay* so it can carry some spare drones along with 5x Ogre II. *someone correct me if this has changed in SiSi
Dristra Amarr Shadows of the Dead Aftermath Alliance	Posted - 2007.11.06 11:28:00 - [48] Originally by: Amarr knight Edited by: Amarr knight on 06/11/2007 07:07:31 Originally by: Dristra Originally by: Gamesguy Originally by: Dristra Originally by: Galactic Magi Originally by: Dristra Edited by: Dristra on 04/11/2007 21:08:44 With all the coming changes i think the typhoon should get some love. Proposal: Give her 6 turret hardpoints and 6 launcher hardpoints, this would give her some real minmatar versatility, and not a split weapon system of suck. Would make the typhoon in line with the Armageddon Edit: Add most of the split weapon ships to the list, and gimped gunships that have to few turrets and silly unbonused launchers. HAHAHA. Nice try. Tell me one person who will fit 6 gun on phoon after it gets 6 launcher slot. Only 2 things phoon needs fixing is that a bit more pg and shield and armor hp switched. nothing else. Ummm, well, guns will out-damage cruise(i hope), and out-range torps (new torps have like 30km on the velocity bonus raven after all, alot less on phoon) So it will depend on what you have trained for. Except not. Everyone would just fly it like an armor tanked raven. 6 launcher phoon will do more dps than a neutron gank mega and use no cap for its weapons/have 20km range. Its imba as hell. And whoever the idiot that was saying phoons only outdamage pest against MWD active battleships need to learn there is a module called a target painter. How about just giving it 5 launchers, and 6 turrets? And make shield\armour amount equal. Sounds reasonable. But still why? Damage is not an issue in Typhoon. Its already getting a damage boost with the torpedo buff. Unlike raven its the fastest bs (bar faction) in the game, getting in torp range wont be an issue. Also unlike raven this can fit rest of the slots with guns that WILL get bonuses. And dont forget those ogre IIs. It take alot sp in missile, gunnery, drone and fitting skills to get the best out of phoon but when u have those skills this ship does quite well. Dont get me wrong, i have both minmatar bs 5 and siege spec 4. I would love for ship to have 1 or 2 more launcher slot but thats not main problem with the phoon atm. It needs more pg to fit a proper tank. Its a 7 low slot ship which screams armor tank but has more shield hp then armor. These are the problem that need fixing first. Not more launchers or guns. If your demands are not reasonable Devs will most probably ignore your thread / overlook this ship. Lets not let that happen. I have adjusted the main post, and added some more suggestions, none to broken really, more slight tweaks. Thanks for constructive input. It's great being Amarr isn't it.
Kagura Nikon Minmatar MASS HOMICIDE Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.11.06 11:35:00 - [49] Originally by: Ath Amon Originally by: Kagura Nikon Don touch my phoon. or you will pay!!! Only thing phoon needs changing is the armor/shield ratio. Typhoon is the only tier 1 BS with 8 weapons, so stop with the stupid split weapon nonsense. A typhoon without ANY damage mod already makes quite good damage, and will do even more on Trinity. > 1000 DPS witha 7 Slot tank !!! Its a great ship. atm phoon whitout ANY dmg mod reach just 750dps, a domi (tier1 too) reach 800 to say is the only T1 ships with 8 high doesn't make much sense too as is the dmg curve/dps that matters, if i have a hip that with 1 turret does 1k dps and another that with 10 turrets do 800dps is not that the 10 turret one is better because it have more guns. domi have less turrets and put out more dps with more versatility and better tank/utility... and is T1 too... all of this whitout starting to speak about the split weapon problem. now the torp dps improvement will bring up the ship dps but the tradeoff will be to force it in web/close range, and with a ship with a so and so tank that should dictate range is quite a big drawback 4 Siege II and 4 800mm II and 5 ogre II are 858 DPS without ANY damage mod. After the torp change will be > 1000 DPS. If brute force doesn't solve your problem... you are not using enough
elorran Minmatar Department of Defence Hydra Alliance	Posted - 2007.11.06 13:35:00 - [50] Edited by: elorran on 06/11/2007 13:36:27 It's obvious the typhoon is far to powerful. It needs at least 2 of its high slots removing, its drone bay reducing by half and 1 of each turret and missile points removing. Oh, and did I mention it's also far to fast and agile for a battleship. Its mass should be doubled and speed cut by 100m/s! Maybe, just maybe, -if you're lucky- it'll be in balance then with the rest of the minmatar fleet. After all, us minmatar love the challenge of playing the game on hard difficulty level already This is a joke for anyone who is taking it seriously so far. Stop, smile... perhaps laugh a little. Ok you're good to go again - - Department of Defence - Hydra Alliance
BABARR PARABELUM-Project	Posted - 2007.11.06 17:40:00 - [51] the typhoon is already a very good ship, but only skilled and good fighter pilot can fly it decently . But use 4x425mm AC T2 + 4x arba torp launcher (And whith the patch who come..) MWD II, cap booster, web, warp disruptor (T2) Single LAR II, BCU II, gyro II and some resit 5xHeavy drone II Powergrid rig x1, armor rep rig x2 And you have a cheap kick ass ship who can fly at 1500m/s and do a lot of DPS. The typhoon is fun cause you find a lot of setup, i don't find its a good idea to change it, cause there are too many ship who got always the same fit. ... "Si vis pacem, parabellum"
Dristra Amarr Shadows of the Dead Aftermath Alliance	Posted - 2007.11.06 18:04:00 - [52] Originally by: BABARR the typhoon is already a very good ship, but only skilled and good fighter pilot can fly it decently . But use 4x425mm AC T2 + 4x arba torp launcher (And whith the patch who come..) MWD II, cap booster, web, warp disruptor (T2) Single LAR II, BCU II, gyro II and some resit 5xHeavy drone II Powergrid rig x1, armor rep rig x2 And you have a cheap kick ass ship who can fly at 1500m/s and do a lot of DPS. The typhoon is fun cause you find a lot of setup, i don't find its a good idea to change it, cause there are too many ship who got always the same fit. It deals with the max skill profile 750 dps With my subpair amarr skills, full rack of non-named tier 1 megapulses, 3x heatsink II, and 5x ogre 1 i get 726 dps, if I rat in paragorn soul i only pay for insurance, the tier 2 heat sinks, and some odd mods, that the corp can supply What ship is the cheapest and least skill intensive I wonder? not that your setup is bad by any means (just a bit expensive), but I see no reason to fly it even though I can over even a amarr ship of the same tier. (and you know me to be a bad amarr whiner) It's great being Amarr isn't it.
Trishan Green Men Incorporated	Posted - 2007.11.06 18:44:00 - [53] Originally by: elorran Maybe, just maybe, -if you're lucky- it'll be in balance then with the rest of the minmatar fleet. After all, us minmatar love the challenge of playing the game on hard difficulty level already Hehehe. Funny thing is most of our ships are so verging on apocrappiness that they are almost nerf proof. DPS nerf? never the best dps dealer. Tank nerf? Wait, we had tank? Speed nerf? Psh. Webbers-online.com and solo is pretty much dead already. So bring the nerf bat! I don't care! Bwahahahahahahaha!
Kelbesque Crystalis Minmatar Eve University	Posted - 2007.11.06 18:52:00 - [54] Originally by: Dristra Originally by: BABARR the typhoon is already a very good ship, but only skilled and good fighter pilot can fly it decently . But use 4x425mm AC T2 + 4x arba torp launcher (And whith the patch who come..) MWD II, cap booster, web, warp disruptor (T2) Single LAR II, BCU II, gyro II and some resit 5xHeavy drone II Powergrid rig x1, armor rep rig x2 And you have a cheap kick ass ship who can fly at 1500m/s and do a lot of DPS. The typhoon is fun cause you find a lot of setup, i don't find its a good idea to change it, cause there are too many ship who got always the same fit. It deals with the max skill profile 750 dps With my subpair amarr skills, full rack of non-named tier 1 megapulses, 3x heatsink II, and 5x ogre 1 i get 726 dps, if I rat in paragorn soul i only pay for insurance, the tier 2 heat sinks, and some odd mods, that the corp can supply What ship is the cheapest and least skill intensive I wonder? not that your setup is bad by any means (just a bit expensive), but I see no reason to fly it even though I can over even a amarr ship of the same tier. (and you know me to be a bad amarr whiner) The Phoon can pick dmg types for drones, missiles, and partially so for projectile ammo. So actual DPS will be higher.
Ath Amon	Posted - 2007.11.06 19:31:00 - [55] Edited by: Ath Amon on 06/11/2007 19:32:40 Originally by: Kagura Nikon Edited by: Kagura Nikon on 06/11/2007 11:37:46 Originally by: Ath Amon Originally by: Kagura Nikon Don touch my phoon. or you will pay!!! Only thing phoon needs changing is the armor/shield ratio. Typhoon is the only tier 1 BS with 8 weapons, so stop with the stupid split weapon nonsense. A typhoon without ANY damage mod already makes quite good damage, and will do even more on Trinity. > 1000 DPS witha 7 Slot tank !!! Its a great ship. atm phoon whitout ANY dmg mod reach just 750dps, a domi (tier1 too) reach 800 to say is the only T1 ships with 8 high doesn't make much sense too as is the dmg curve/dps that matters, if i have a hip that with 1 turret does 1k dps and another that with 10 turrets do 800dps is not that the 10 turret one is better because it have more guns. domi have less turrets and put out more dps with more versatility and better tank/utility... and is T1 too... all of this whitout starting to speak about the split weapon problem. now the torp dps improvement will bring up the ship dps but the tradeoff will be to force it in web/close range, and with a ship with a so and so tank that should dictate range is quite a big drawback 4 Siege II and 4 800mm II and 5 ogre II are 880 DPS without ANY damage mod. After the torp change will be > 1000 DPS. you have troubles to fit 4 torps II and 4 800mm, usual config is with 425mm with that you get 750 dps, 650mm are viable too but even then you can't 800dps. note that 800dps is quite a base dmg for a BS. a pest (to stay with minnie) can reach close to that whitout mods too, the domi (again T1 BS with a mid more than the phoon) is bit over 800 so to say that phoon can reach 750-800 dps whitout dmg mod is nothing exceptional, now with the boost that numbers will go up that is good for sure but will force the phoon to fight closer to the opponent and as said you have not going to have a monstrous tank... 5 missile slots and removal of proj bonuses in favor of a different one will not make it overpowered without any mod and will make it easier to upgrade for more gank oriented setups Originally by: Diana Merris Unfortunately, rather than address the slot layout/tanking issues for Minmatar the Devs have simple declared that it makes us "versitile".
Dristra Amarr Shadows of the Dead Aftermath Alliance	Posted - 2007.11.07 11:23:00 - [56] Originally by: Kelbesque Crystalis Originally by: Dristra Originally by: BABARR the typhoon is already a very good ship, but only skilled and good fighter pilot can fly it decently . But use 4x425mm AC T2 + 4x arba torp launcher (And whith the patch who come..) MWD II, cap booster, web, warp disruptor (T2) Single LAR II, BCU II, gyro II and some resit 5xHeavy drone II Powergrid rig x1, armor rep rig x2 And you have a cheap kick ass ship who can fly at 1500m/s and do a lot of DPS. The typhoon is fun cause you find a lot of setup, i don't find its a good idea to change it, cause there are too many ship who got always the same fit. It deals with the max skill profile 750 dps With my subpair amarr skills, full rack of non-named tier 1 megapulses, 3x heatsink II, and 5x ogre 1 i get 726 dps, if I rat in paragorn soul i only pay for insurance, the tier 2 heat sinks, and some odd mods, that the corp can supply What ship is the cheapest and least skill intensive I wonder? not that your setup is bad by any means (just a bit expensive), but I see no reason to fly it even though I can over even a amarr ship of the same tier. (and you know me to be a bad amarr whiner) The Phoon can pick dmg types for drones, missiles, and partially so for projectile ammo. So actual DPS will be higher. Really now, the arma can switch damage with drones too, and with average skills the typhoon damage is so much lower compared to an arma that the damage type issue is a non-issue Damn, you have me defending the greatness of Amarr here, damn you! Then again the arma is arguably the best Amarr ship there is. And don't get me started on the dominix. The scorp is to specialised to join the comparisons. It's great being Amarr isn't it.
Kehmor Caldari PAK	Posted - 2007.11.07 12:00:00 - [57] After the torp change the phoon is gonna be deadly. The last thing it needs is pg for dual reps whoever said that. If you want to use missiles, fly a raven. If you want to use turrets fly a tempest or mael. If you wanna keep on crying, do it somewhere else. The Movement is recruiting!
BABARR PARABELUM-Project	Posted - 2007.11.08 01:12:00 - [58] Quote: Really now, the arma can switch damage with drones too, and with average skills the typhoon damage is so much lower compared to an arma that the damage type issue is a non-issue Yup, an arma going to do more dmg, but, the arma usualy don't fit a MWD and can't escape at 1500m/s, an arma neutralized going to do 0 DPS where the typhoon going to do max DPS, the typhoon got a lower signature, going to lock faster, and be more hard to jam. ... "Si vis pacem, parabellum"

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