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Wolf Pershaw	Posted - 2007.11.05 22:11:00 - [1] With the added mid slot and armor resists, will it beat the deimos in a fight? Most people wanted the extra mid slot. The vigilant added that, but you need the minmitar skills to fly it. The ideal setting is... meds: disruptor, webber, mwd, and cap booster. Now that the Phobos is coming out with an extra mid slot, do you think people will use that setting BECAUSE... you have HUGE movement penalties when activating the warp disruption field. Even when using an MWD. Since the Eris is at the bottom of the interdictor list, do you think the phobos will be at the same place? Or do you think it'll be used as a Deimos?
Dr Fighter	Posted - 2007.11.05 22:12:00 - [2] dude, high slot bubble or with a scrip a long range high slot scrambler! these will be fun
Vitaki Rens 911	Posted - 2007.11.05 22:13:00 - [3] Phobos does 250 less dps than a deimos.
Last Wolf Templars of Space	Posted - 2007.11.05 22:16:00 - [4] Originally by: Vitaki Phobos does 250 less dps than a deimos. For a cap-booster and twice the tank? SOLD! Also, It can fit dual webbers since it has a high-slot scrambler
Kuzya Morozov Gallente Beets and Gravy Syndicate Axiom Empire	Posted - 2007.11.05 22:29:00 - [5] time to stfu. -------------------------- "There's always a bigger blob." -Qui-Gon Jinn
Forsch Auctoritan Syndicate Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2007.11.05 23:28:00 - [6] It's pink. Forsch Defender of the empire
Acinonyx Jubatus Minmatar Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.11.05 23:33:00 - [7] Edited by: Acinonyx Jubatus on 05/11/2007 23:33:55 Deimos also gets slightly more range, I believe Deimos gets a 10% bonus to falloff, not 5% like the Phobos. goes to check Yep, I was right, unless the Phobos changed since that blog, the Deimos gets more range and damage.
bldyannoyed Un4seen Development	Posted - 2007.11.05 23:46:00 - [8] Good pint about the Falloff. Why the **** does it only get half a bonus? The Onyx gets 10% missile velocity and the Broadsword 10% Falloff, so why the christ should the Phobos only get 5%?
Liang Nuren The Avalon Foundation Knights Of Syndicate	Posted - 2007.11.06 00:03:00 - [9] I'm TOTALLY down with telling people that I "phobos" slapped them... Liang -- Retired forum *****. Plz tell me to STFU. Yarr?
Mr Friendly That it Should Come to This Derek Knows Us	Posted - 2007.11.06 03:44:00 - [10] I'm sure a high-slot general use scrambler won't make it live. Well, I'm hoping it doesn't anyways... and if it does, it's a 2/3 dps Deimos with a fatter tank, and 2 more mids (effectively). Yay! oh, and the preliminary look at the script for single point scrambling seems to cancel out the drawbacks to the AoE scramble effect (if they haven't changed that in 2 days). So, no reason to use a mid-scrambler over a high (so far), which means 2 open mid-slots. Though, I hope it doesn't work that way since that sort of breaks parts of the game in a fundamental way. Oh well, it's not live yet, so it may just be CCP screwing with us... __________________________________________________ Originally by: Rells This place is sewer. Full of people that use internet anonymity to do things that would earn them two knocked out teeth in real life.
Forsch Auctoritan Syndicate Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2007.11.06 04:46:00 - [11] Originally by: Mr Friendly So, no reason to use a mid-scrambler over a high (so far), which means 2 open mid-slots. Though, I hope it doesn't work that way since that sort of breaks parts of the game in a fundamental way. Care to elaborate? I don't see why 1 additional free medium slot seems game breaking to you. There are alot of ships with more than 4 mids. What difference does it make whether the scrambler is being activated from high slot or from medium slot? Unless you are talking about the possibility to scramble super capitals (in low sec). Which I would really really welcome! Forsch Defender of the empire
Wolf Pershaw	Posted - 2007.11.06 19:40:00 - [12] Edited by: Wolf Pershaw on 06/11/2007 19:40:59 The reason for the extra disruptor is that smaller ships will get out of the bubble, so If you were to use the disruptor instead of the field disruptor, you'll have more speed. This is the first ship to institute an added armor bonus which is normally for Amarr or Caldari ships. In a fleet, the ship would probably use rails, but the blasters would be mounted all the time for a roaming OP. Even though this ship is PINK, I see it being used more than the deimos for quick deployment of a disruption field while bolstering medium damage. This is better than having a pilot fly an interdictor and lose out on the required damage in the roaming gang. Think about it, the thorax is still the most widely used T1 cruiser in PVP than any other T1 cruiser. The Phobos is a major step up from that.
madaluap Gallente Mercenary Forces Exquisite Malevolence	Posted - 2007.11.06 19:44:00 - [13] Edited by: madaluap on 06/11/2007 19:45:09 Ok im pretty sure i missed something, but i just checked testserver and didnt see a dronebay on the phobos. If this is true, np. But it makes me wonder why this thread even exists. You lose: 5% less falloff 25% less DPS 150 dps worth of drones gone no mwd bonus (so less cap) You gain: highslot disrupter and extra med? Purely looking from the "will this replace the deimos view". _________________________________________________ Breetime A killmail!11!1 omgrawr: BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
Neo Rainhart Caldari Leela's Lamas	Posted - 2007.11.06 20:50:00 - [14] Originally by: Forsch It's pink. This
Ichabod Crane LFC FreeFall Securities	Posted - 2007.11.06 20:53:00 - [15] From the devblog. Quote: When activated the warp disruption field generator prevents remote assistance, increases the signature radius of the ship and reduces the effectiveness of afterburners and microwarpdrives. Answer: No. -
Redora Gallente Universal Exports	Posted - 2007.11.06 21:11:00 - [16] I just got into a deimos a few months ago, and while I'm excited about the Phobos, I wouldn't replace my Deimos with her. Yes, it has a highslot scrambler, and ZOMGMOAR tank, but the loss in DPS and gain of (Effectively) two mids at the expense of lots of speed and cap just doesn't do it for me. I'll die faster in the Deimos, but maybe I'll have a chance to take them with me. With the phobos, it's just dying, albeit slower. --- Redora
Last Wolf Templars of Space	Posted - 2007.11.06 21:19:00 - [17] Originally by: madaluap Edited by: madaluap on 06/11/2007 19:45:09 Ok im pretty sure i missed something, but i just checked testserver and didnt see a dronebay on the phobos. If this is true, np. But it makes me wonder why this thread even exists. You lose: 5% less falloff 25% less DPS 150 dps worth of drones gone no mwd bonus (so less cap) You gain: highslot disrupter and extra med? Purely looking from the "will this replace the deimos view". Dual medium rep tank + 25% armor resist bonus. (it has more PG than deimos) It can fit 5x Ion II 10mn MWDII medium electro cap booster 2x MAR II with 68.45 pg and 217.71 CPU to spare. With AWU level 4.
TimMc Skiddies of Doom	Posted - 2007.11.06 22:01:00 - [18] Originally by: Last Wolf Originally by: madaluap Edited by: madaluap on 06/11/2007 19:45:09 Ok im pretty sure i missed something, but i just checked testserver and didnt see a dronebay on the phobos. If this is true, np. But it makes me wonder why this thread even exists. You lose: 5% less falloff 25% less DPS 150 dps worth of drones gone no mwd bonus (so less cap) You gain: highslot disrupter and extra med? Purely looking from the "will this replace the deimos view". Dual medium rep tank + 25% armor resist bonus. (it has more PG than deimos) It can fit 5x Ion II 10mn MWDII medium electro cap booster 2x MAR II with 68.45 pg and 217.71 CPU to spare. With AWU level 4. If you wanted to fit a high slot bubble, then probably worth getting dual t2 webs. Land ontop of someone, dual web and setup bubble. Huge tank... how much can it actually sustain dps wise?
Last Wolf Templars of Space	Posted - 2007.11.06 23:00:00 - [19] Edited by: Last Wolf on 06/11/2007 23:01:19 It does the DPS of a Thorax, but uses and actual tank instead of ECM drones. edit: Wait, you meant how much dps can it tank?... dunno i'll edit in a few minutes
Forsch Auctoritan Syndicate Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2007.11.06 23:21:00 - [20] Originally by: Dev Blog Phobos * Thorax / Roden Shipyards (OMG?!?) * Slots: 6/4/6, 5 turrets * Fitting: 375tf, 1,165mw * Drones: none * Propulsion: 215m/s, 15,000,000kg * Tech II resistance bonus: 50% kinetic, 25% thermal Deimos only weighs 11,000,000kg. Forsch Defender of the empire
Rudy Metallo Additional Pylons	Posted - 2007.11.06 23:34:00 - [21] It can also fit a med injector, 5x neuts, an MWD and a single MAR without any fitting mods and a 3% CPU implant. + Tank/scram etc. -- We are the revolutionaries. We are the usurpers of the heavenly throne. We are the enemies of the Gods.
Arana Tellen Gallente The Blackguard Wolves Knights Of the Southerncross	Posted - 2007.11.07 01:49:00 - [22] Edited by: Arana Tellen on 07/11/2007 01:49:15 Originally by: Last Wolf Edited by: Last Wolf on 06/11/2007 23:42:57 Edited by: Last Wolf on 06/11/2007 23:01:19 It does the DPS of a Thorax, but uses and actual tank instead of ECM drones. edit: Wait, you meant how much dps can it tank?... dunno i'll edit in a few minutes ok so here are my calculations EM/Explosive/Kinetic/Thermal 70/32.5/79.375/69.0625 ***base resists 74.5/74.18125/82.46875/73.703125 * DC + explosive 80.875/79.7323/86.6852/80.2773 EANM + DC + explosive 84.50/82.62/89.55/84.52 *** EANM + EANM + DC + Explosive Using 2 MAR II gives 71.11 hp/s repaired. DPS tanked 483.67 Using my calculated resists and the spread sheet found here You might get better resists fitting a non energized resist module (specifically refuge nano adaptive). Certainly it would be worth getting the 10 million isk dark blood adaptive resist plate. --------------------------------- Thorax type R&R. (Ribbed and R rated)

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