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Reverend Revelator Elite Storm Enterprises	Posted - 2007.11.07 11:29:00 - [31] Excellent rant, 10/10, much better than that Tarminic pink dude -- Dead People Laugh At The Murder Of Love --
Corewin Gallente Deathwatch Inc. Black-Out	Posted - 2007.11.07 11:34:00 - [32] Not the most well put together of articles, but I do agree alot with what your saying. Also if one more person says something about him leaving EVE you should be sent back to that Special Education class you obviously barely graduated from. Read the whole post before you start bashing on it or making unnessicary comments. (Insert foot in mouth) + (Reading full length of Posts) = Less ******** comments.
Dani Leone Gallente A Dark Cloud	Posted - 2007.11.07 12:03:00 - [33] Edited by: Dani Leone on 07/11/2007 12:04:49 Edited by: Dani Leone on 07/11/2007 12:03:55 From Hello Kitty Online World: Quote: Hello Kitty and friends welcome you to the exciting and fantastic Hello Kitty World! This is the first-ever online game platform featuring the all-time-favorite Hello Kitty characters from Sanrio! Hello Kitty World will allow thousands of players to live and participate in Hello Kitty's magical and cute online world. You will be able to roam the streets of Kitty Kingdom, XO Federation, and Melody-land. Enjoy the beautiful landscape and architecture of Puroland or Badtzcity and participate in numerous puzzles, story lines, or adventures lead by the worldwide community of Hello Kitty World subscribers. You can even have a successful career, open different shops, earn and spend Sanrio Dollars in your bank, buy a house, and trade with other players around the vast game world. ... Players may purchase land and structure to build their own house after having sufficient money. Once you have purchased a house, you will have the key to your house, and only the Player with the key have access to the house. You can customize it by acquiring new furnitures, and decorate it anyway you like. As the Player advances, there will be more options to purchase more expensive items for the home, or to expand your house. Wow, that actually sounds quite exciting doesn't it? (roflmfao) Seriously, yes the devs are going to far, and yes a lot of the changes flat out suck (unlike Nos anymore). You are right imho. Until Eve gets some serious competition to force a sharpening of certain developer minds then we can expect a whole load of bloat creeping in and lazy nerfs because lets face it those of us who are eve junkies can't exactly go elsewhere for our fix. Mo'Moon, evolution is normally taken to mean progression, but not always, I know. That's why I am training Minnie and (shock horror) Amarr as an insurance policy against Gallente being nerfed into dust, (which looks most likely). Anyway maybe the changes will turn out for the best, but on previous form I expect that they simply result in further nerfs for 'balance' made on a regular basis and justified by saying that now that X module has been nerfed Y module is overpowered or (heaven forfend) has become a FOTM.
Hokuten Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2007.11.07 12:04:00 - [34] WTS: Jenquai Explorer
Shanur Minmatar Republic Military School	Posted - 2007.11.07 15:42:00 - [35] Originally by: Hokuten WTS: Jenquai Explorer Trade you for a Jenquai warrior? You can't have my Terran Tradesman.
Shanur Minmatar Republic Military School	Posted - 2007.11.07 15:43:00 - [36] Originally by: Reem Fairchild Originally by: omiNATION Players will just have to train longer, meaning they pay longer for subscription. Muahahaha.... I keep hearing people say things like this and I just don't understand the logic behind it. If I'm playing, I'm paying for my subscription. What does training have to do with it? QFT. You would almost think that reaching a certain skill is the only reason these people play. Like i would suddenly stop playing the moment i could fly a titan......
Terail Zoqial	Posted - 2007.11.07 15:57:00 - [37] I agree with the sole point of competition would be good, it may spur CCP on get away from the grind aspects of the game and make playing eve a tad more enjoyable. As eve goes, the basis for a lot of the stuff is good, but I think they went down the wrong alley somewhere by coming up with the idea time sinks injected into most areas of eve are good. That kinda gets onto a whole new topics of current game design in the mmo world, playing styles, what the consumer pays for, in game economics, effort and reward etc. What the mmo REALLY needs is a game style without grind, where you can play a good challenging game, where your actions are derived from necessity, not the love of money or having to grind to the next level.
Shanur Minmatar Republic Military School	Posted - 2007.11.07 16:02:00 - [38] Originally by: Terail Zoqial I agree with the sole point of competition would be good, it may spur CCP on get away from the grind aspects of the game and make playing eve a tad more enjoyable. As eve goes, the basis for a lot of the stuff is good, but I think they went down the wrong alley somewhere by coming up with the idea time sinks injected into most areas of eve are good. That kinda gets onto a whole new topics of current game design in the mmo world, playing styles, what the consumer pays for, in game economics, effort and reward etc. What the mmo REALLY needs is a game style without grind, where you can play a good challenging game, where your actions are derived from necessity, not the love of money or having to grind to the next level. Would that still satisfy the base condition of being a CRPG though, rather than a FPS or a RTS? The constant improving of abilities is a key aspect that distinguishes CRPG's from other game types. Doing things out of tactical necessity sounds more like a strategy game than a RPG. Not that i say that such a game wouldn't be enjoyable, i just want to point out that that game would by definition occupy a different genre.
Xaen Caldari Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2007.11.07 16:03:00 - [39] OP: Good post(s). This is what I'm talking about when I keep saying this: [ 2007.11.07 10:53:05 ] (combat) CCP's Lack of Perspective Cannon perfectly strike's CCP's foot, wrecking for 982342349.34 USD. They need posts like this and some of mine to make sure they're aware that everything is not hunky dory. The rabid fanbois at FanFest and those flaming anyone who dares to criticize the game or CCP are not indicitive of the entire player base. Many players are pretty **ed off at where things seem to be headed. Trivial new feature after uninteresting new feature instead of fixing things that have been indisputably broken for *** years*. Sadly most players that actually* quit do not go out in a blaze of forum drama to the tune of "Can I have your stuff?" posts. Most of them do it quietly, so unless you're doing a "select count() from accounts where active = 1;" you're probably not aware of them even leaving. And if they're quitting they're usually angry or apathetic so they're probably not likely to give any feedback. So it's up to players like me and the OP to try and help them regain perspective and express differing opinions. It makes me shake my head that anyone who does this typically just gets flamed and ridiculed. I say this because I care. I do not play any other MMOs. I do not want to go back to WoW. I am not quitting. No you cannot have my stuff.* -- Support fixing the EVE UI \| Suggest Jita fixes
Esmenet Gallente	Posted - 2007.11.07 16:04:00 - [40] Edited by: Esmenet on 07/11/2007 16:04:41 Originally by: omiNATION Seriously, who ever hears about WoW being unplayable for days at a time when being patched. Actually who ever hears about games being brought down nightly? After playing wow for about two years i have experienced frequent server instabilities over the period of weeks after patches. Especially after the launch of BC. My guild cancelled raids for several weeks after certain patches because the server instabilities with massive lagspikes, disconnects etc made raiding practically impossible. Besides that there is no other game with a server like EVE has. Quote: I keep reading about all these amazing features that were never introduced, environments, factional warfare, a working stock market. All dated back in 2003. And you know what? for a game that's been around for what 5 years, it's done rather well, but honestly, development for this game is unbearably slow, so slow that balance changes... we're talking about basic, game play, changes, takes years, and tends to have an unplanned aura to them. There are plenty of features announced while wow was in beta that is still not implemented. And that is from one of the biggest game companies in the world. Not a small company that ccp is (was). You see this in every mmo. But sure competition is good.
Haurian Commando Gallente Cursed Souls Axiom Empire	Posted - 2007.11.07 16:33:00 - [41] If people want to leave, i have but one thing to say can i have ur stuff??
DarthMopp Gallente I.D.I.O.T.	Posted - 2007.11.07 16:37:00 - [42] Quote: Seriously, who ever hears about WoW being unplayable for days at a time when being patched. Actually who ever hears about games being brought down nightly? What other game has as much problem with delivering on the promises it made when first developing a product? Seems like you never ever played Battlefield 2 or Battlefield 2142. LOTS of promised but never realised things. 2 free new Maps the rest has to be payed for (Booster Packs and the Special Forces Add-On). Adding to this you almost get new bugs after each patch, massive gameplay changes (above the obvious "kill all the reds"), glitching problems and a non-functional anti-Cheat Software. Imagine a Velator instakilling your HAC ....then you know what i mean. Yeah i know that the Battlefield Series is not a mmorpg...but its an mainly online oriented game. As far as i can judge CCP does much a better job on listening to their customers then many other game-companies out there. Quote: This feels like the honest direction EVE is headed and I'm not a big fan, it's not about the gameplay it's about attracting numbers. Getting subscriptions, holding the...... It might surprise you, but CCP is running a business. And yes, stacking up on paying customers is what they are looking for. Hell....they are not the salvation army. But i agree with you if you say that keeping customers with a functional gameplay is as important as getting new ones into the game ! "Alea iacta est"
Arvald Caldari Tutela Of Obscurum	Posted - 2007.11.07 16:38:00 - [43] Originally by: Niccolado Starwalker Goodbye then. Don't let the door hit you on the way out. yes because we dotn want assprints on our doors --------------------------- Originally by: eddie valvetino little small voice in the back of my head i've ignored all summer now screams "BLOW SOMETHING UP!!!!!!!!! MOTHER ******!!!!!!"
Tortun Nahme Minmatar Heimatar Services Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.11.07 16:53:00 - [44] number of people whining < number of people not all the math I need to prove CCP knows more than some of the asshat forum members Originally by: Surfin's PlunderBunny Edited by: Surfin''s PlunderBunny on 04/11/2007 21:34:44 EDIT You know what, Tortun has this one under control...* *Basks in the chaos of this thread
Xaen Caldari Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2007.11.07 18:13:00 - [45] Originally by: Tortun Nahme number of people whining < number of people not all the math I need to prove CCP knows more than some of the asshat forum members Why thank you for your expert analysis! I suppose we should just stop talking about it now, since, clearly, the matter is closed. -- Support fixing the EVE UI \| Suggest Jita fixes
Le Skunk Low Sec Liberators	Posted - 2007.11.07 18:25:00 - [46] Originally by: Tortun Nahme number of people whining < number of people not all the math I need to prove CCP knows more than some of the asshat forum members You posted the same thing in another thread. Was it really worth it? I think your an example of what people in this thread have refered to as blinkered fanbois SKUNK
Plutoinum German Cyberdome Corp Cult of War	Posted - 2007.11.07 18:28:00 - [47] Edited by: Plutoinum on 07/11/2007 18:29:29 Originally by: omiNATION but seriously, a lot of you work in IT. What would your boss say if the server you were maintaining had to come down nightly, for 2 hours, and for the next two days you couldn't garuntee reliability or performance. You'd get fired. Can't compare eve imho to standard enterprise software on some server. If I'd be involved in developing a really complex piece of software, an inhouse solution, that gets changed a lot and that's supposed to run on a complex hardware like this cluster and I couldn't test, how it behaves on that system, before the customers use it, then I'd also cross my fingers after each patch and pray that everything works as planned, but I wouldn't bet on it.
Xaen Caldari Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2007.11.07 18:46:00 - [48] Originally by: omiNATION but seriously, a lot of you work in IT. What would your boss say if the server you were maintaining had to come down nightly, for 2 hours, and for the next two days you couldn't garuntee reliability or performance. You'd get fired. I wouldn't get fired.....immediately. -- Support fixing the EVE UI \| Suggest Jita fixes
Galk Gallente Autumn Tactics All the things she said	Posted - 2007.11.07 19:10:00 - [49] Originally by: Niccolado Starwalker Goodbye then. Don't let the door hit you on the way out. No i'm not leaving. Did you actualy read his well constructed post, or was your intention only to troll and flame the poster? While i agree on serveral issues, there's one or two i feel are a little out of whack. Certainly development, things evolve allright... you can't concrete anything in stone and wonder why it isn't here 5 years down the line and take it as straight forward as a broken promise. Iv'e seen too many of their ideas change.. largely for the better it has to be said... old enough to remember things such as mobile refinerys as a simple example... very simplistic idea.. some sort of rig in a belt (i think there was a screenshot of it)... 4 years down the line.. we have pos's... refinerys at outposts.. compression... and ofc the whole supply chain that go's with it. Thats just a small little thing... but my take is while you work it over time for yourself, it certainly would be wise (if ccp are to be taken at face value) to explain the various changes in direction... say well we thought about that.. had an idea.. and another.. we came up with this... rather than just dump x and give us y without explanation which leads to a whole lot of frustrated people.. Anyhow.. there's one or two in your post i fully agree with.. the training issue's, iv'e made my voice clear on that in another thread... while it's totaly acceptable to bring in skill tree's to expand and balance, aka missiles, ew, certain ship classes.... i find a lot of the expanded training for's as being nothing more than stretchers designed to keep your sub active.... glad somebody else has finaly seen that one tbh. Alt's are a killer... but there's not much you can do about that.. brick and wall spring to mind..... but it would be nice if they were all flagged to show the owner... but ofc that wouldn't be in ccp's interest either As for ambulation... well.... mixed bag mate.. there obviously doing other things with the tech anyway.. if they want to try and bolt it on to eve... i don't have a problem... it only enhances the game at zero cost to me.. and for sure it's a ten fold improvement over the age old character design as is. You know... if there using that to grab in players then fair play.. it sure beats adding timesinks, longer training, promoting and changing the game to appeal for more alt's to be created. Take your pick. ______
Xaen Caldari Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2007.11.07 19:25:00 - [50] Originally by: Galk i find a lot of the expanded training for's as being nothing more than stretchers designed to keep your sub active.... glad somebody else has finaly seen that one tbh. Did you think the skill requirements for overloading (heat) were excessive too? Engineering V, Energy Management V, Science IV for something any ship can do? Sweet FSM...somebody was smoking the holier than thou plant that day... I still can't overload anything... -- Support fixing the EVE UI \| Suggest Jita fixes
Galk Gallente Autumn Tactics All the things she said	Posted - 2007.11.07 19:39:00 - [51] Expendable mate. I think just about everybody voted with there feet on that one, judging from what i saw from forum mob anyhow. Tbh it's not even something iv'e even looked at.... i don't play that game anyway, but it's nothing less than common sense that combinations work around just about anything they add like that anyway. It's an expansive enhancement to the game all the same though.. i spose they have to tie it to the skills tree, but balanced or not... probaly not imho... the high numbers exclude too many people... for something as simple as, thats fairly unwise. Face value ofc ______
Bimjo Caldari SKULLDOGS	Posted - 2007.11.07 19:41:00 - [52] Originally by: ViolenTUK If you take a look at this upcoming Infinity game you will see how eve should be looking by now. Screenshots Videos what ? it is still a concept not an MMO yet ! ! ! 1. one person is writing most if not all the code 2. I find his attitude less than pleasants on his forums, especially when asked "when will it be ready?" 3. now he has taken a few people on doing various designs and tasks relating to his project, maybe even some to write the code 4. it has taken years to get this far, and probably a few more years before it comes out, if it does. 5. the combat prototype is full of bugs,infact his bugs have bugs 6. one thing to write some code to work well for 100 to 500 people, another to make it work for over 35000, lets see how they solve that problem(look how much CCP is constantly spending on servers) 7. all that ever seems to happen on their forum is "EVE slagging" , if only they raised their head out of their arses and looked on our forums they would realise that EVE has enough whiners complaining about it and their whining about EVE is not really needed I am not saying he won't succeed, I am saying that reading their forums over the last year I get the feeling it is a "project" rather than a "product"
Topaz Skydiver Minmatar Narrative Freshfood	Posted - 2007.11.07 20:25:00 - [53] Edited by: Topaz Skydiver on 07/11/2007 20:27:01 Originally by: Xaen Most of them do it quietly, so unless you're doing a "select count() from accounts where active = 1;" you're probably not aware of them even leaving. I know several people, who don't play anymore, but keep paying and training, in case they come back. The beauty of eve's skillsystem, also for CCPs wallet. In other games, not playing = no training, so not really a reason to stay subscribed, while you are away. I'm still running 4 accounts, although I haven't played during the last 3 weeks I think. I just logged in, talked 5 minutes to my clan mates and logged out again. I'm not happy with the current state of alliance pvp and how things are in 0.0 and have also noreal motivation to grind isk, if I don't enjoy pvp currently. So hmm, guess I pay CCP 60 EUR a months for the forums and being able to change skills. Funny ... or better stupid. If I knew that I'll never get really active in EVE again, it was easy, accounts canceled, but I don't, so I keep training. Like I said, I have a few more people in my corp, who didn't play for more than maybe 5 hours during the last half year or year in total due to reallife, but they still pay for the skill training. --------------------------------------------- snip*
Esmenet Gallente	Posted - 2007.11.07 20:32:00 - [54] Originally by: Bimjo I am not saying he won't succeed, I am saying that reading their forums over the last year I get the feeling it is a "project" rather than a "product" I wish him luck but at a guess i'd say it will be 3-5 years until he has a working version (if ever). Who knows what EVE looks like then. The screenshots look great but i dont have much faith in his project. Your signature exceeds the maximum allowed filesize of 24000 bytes -Kreul Intentions ([email protected])
J Valkor Blackguard Brigade	Posted - 2007.11.07 20:33:00 - [55] Originally by: Topaz Skydiver Edited by: Topaz Skydiver on 07/11/2007 20:27:01 Originally by: Xaen Most of them do it quietly, so unless you're doing a "select count() from accounts where active = 1;" you're probably not aware of them even leaving. I know several people, who don't play anymore, but keep paying and training, in case they come back. The beauty of eve's skillsystem, also for CCPs wallet. In other games, not playing = no training, so not really a reason to stay subscribed, while you are away. I'm still running 4 accounts, although I haven't played during the last 3 weeks I think. I just logged in, talked 5 minutes to my clan mates and logged out again. I'm not happy with the current state of alliance pvp and how things are in 0.0 and have also noreal motivation to grind isk, if I don't enjoy pvp currently. So hmm, guess I pay CCP 60 EUR a months for the forums and being able to change skills. Funny ... or better stupid. If I knew that I'll never get really active in EVE again, it was easy, accounts canceled, but I don't, so I keep training. Like I said, I have a few more people in my corp, who didn't play for more than maybe 5 hours during the last half year or year in total due to reallife, but they still pay for the skill training. "I don't have the free time now, but damnit, when I do, this * will be awesome." EVE is a terrible *****.
ViolenTUK Gallente Vindicated Exiles 101010 Alliance	Posted - 2007.11.08 02:48:00 - [56] Originally by: Bimjo Originally by: ViolenTUK If you take a look at this upcoming Infinity game you will see how eve should be looking by now. Screenshots Videos what ? it is still a concept not an MMO yet ! ! ! 1. one person is writing most if not all the code 2. I find his attitude less than pleasants on his forums, especially when asked "when will it be ready?" 3. now he has taken a few people on doing various designs and tasks relating to his project, maybe even some to write the code 4. it has taken years to get this far, and probably a few more years before it comes out, if it does. 5. the combat prototype is full of bugs,infact his bugs have bugs 6. one thing to write some code to work well for 100 to 500 people, another to make it work for over 35000, lets see how they solve that problem(look how much CCP is constantly spending on servers) 7. all that ever seems to happen on their forum is "EVE slagging" , if only they raised their head out of their arses and looked on our forums they would realise that EVE has enough whiners complaining about it and their whining about EVE is not really needed I am not saying he won't succeed, I am saying that reading their forums over the last year I get the feeling it is a "project" rather than a "product" it is still a concept not an MMO yet ! ! ! (No its a working model) 1. one person is writing most if not all the code (Completely Irrelevant) 2. I find his attitude less than pleasants on his forums, especially when asked "when will it be ready?" (Not sure who you are refering to.) 3. now he has taken a few people on doing various designs and tasks relating to his project, maybe even some to write the code (A numbered bullet point without a point.) 4. it has taken years to get this far, and probably a few more years before it comes out, if it does.(True but eve has taken longer and looks worse.) 5. the combat prototype is full of bugs,infact his bugs have bugs (Yes but eve has too many bugs for me to mention in this thread and eve has been open to the public for years now.) 6. one thing to write some code to work well for 100 to 500 people, another to make it work for over 35000, lets see how they solve that problem(look how much CCP is constantly spending on servers) (CCP are telling us they are spending money on servers but they might not be doing. If they knew what to do they would have got it right by now. Someone else may solve the problem in less time and no money involved.) 7. all that ever seems to happen on their forum is "EVE slagging" , if only they raised their head out of their arses and looked on our forums they would realise that EVE has enough whiners complaining about it and their whining about EVE is not really needed (If you take a closer look at my post and draw a comparison with other posts on this thread you will see that im the only forum contributor not actually slagging eve off but many of the other members are.) I am not saying he won't succeed, I am saying that reading their forums over the last year I get the feeling it is a "project" rather than a "product". (Perhaps but this is a project that seems to have potential to be a good deal better than what is supposed to be the worlds largest Space mmorpg. www.eve-players.com
Yerik Locke Caldari The New Order. United Connection's	Posted - 2007.11.08 05:41:00 - [57] Edited by: Yerik Locke on 08/11/2007 05:41:11 Personally, I think the ambulation thing as CCP has described it thus far is a bad idea. I like the idea of corporate meetings, discussion rooms etc. and perhaps gritty bars. But the accessorizing nonsense has to stay out of it. This isn't Barbie Doll Online. We're all members of an elite subsociety with our own agendas on our minds. We're not the common public. And we don't need more than one suit.
Mr Bodacious mUfFiN fAcToRy	Posted - 2007.11.08 06:29:00 - [58] Originally by: Shanur Originally by: omiNATION Seriously, who ever hears about WoW being unplayable for days at a time when being patched. Actually who ever hears about games being brought down nightly? What other game has as much problem with delivering on the promises it made when first developing a product? <SNIP Too long to read> Try: Verant Interactive/Sony Online Entertainment (upgrades were nightmares) Funcom (be VERY glad you didn't play Anarchy online the first half year) EA Games (who ran Earth & Beyond in the ground after it was published with less than half the promised features) NC Soft (Especially with Auto Assault) What company has not had serious release troubles with their MMOGs? Oh! And your suggestion that WoW never suffered from day long downtime. CLASSIC! Used to happen on ocasion before TBC came out. Please do some research before making bold statements. The facts are in complete conflict with your opinion. I'll give you this to the title, CCP could some more competition. If only because there are way too few space games out anymore. ROFL. Anarchy Online. Great game, HORRIBLE release. I believe it was the most bug-ridden MMO release in history, and it was quite nearly unplayable for the first WEEK after release. (This is not an exaggeration. I had just bought the game and then I couldn't play it... fkn BS)

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