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Dred 'Morte Winds of Dawn	Posted - 2007.11.10 22:13:00 - [61] lol talk bad about him talk good about him, just keep talking "Although I've seen the mail and ouchy it is, killmails are allowed to be posted in C&P" -TheDagda
Wendat Huron Stellar Solutions	Posted - 2007.11.11 02:42:00 - [62] Why all this fuss about a librarian? These forums are FUBAR, upgrade this decade!
galadran Caldari Alcohol Fueled Brutality Axiom Empire	Posted - 2007.11.11 20:45:00 - [63] Edited by: galadran on 11/11/2007 20:45:47 I'm not American but I'm still going to stick my oar in. Also - I live in the UK and I'm an Athiest! Which is not unusal in the UK but I've heard Christianity is dominiant over in America. Firstly: Sort out the political system! It appears to be completly and utterly broken. If the US president has the right to veto ANY decision he/she chose's. Is it still a democracy? Surely if the Senate/Assembly have ratified it the the views of one man are irrelevent? Secondly: Be more Tolerant! As a culture America is the most intolerent society in the world. Accept that its "OK" to be Athiest, g*y, black, muslim etc... People are differnt - get over it!
Phantom Slave Amarr Mozzaki United	Posted - 2007.11.11 20:52:00 - [64] Originally by: galadran Edited by: galadran on 11/11/2007 20:45:47 I'm not American but I'm still going to stick my oar in. Also - I live in the UK and I'm an Athiest! Which is not unusal in the UK but I've heard Christianity is dominiant over in America. Firstly: Sort out the political system! It appears to be completly and utterly broken. If the US president has the right to veto ANY decision he/she chose's. Is it still a democracy? Surely if the Senate/Assembly have ratified it the the views of one man are irrelevent? Secondly: Be more Tolerant! As a culture America is the most intolerent society in the world. Accept that its "OK" to be Athiest, g*y, black, muslim etc... People are differnt - get over it! The president can Veto anything he wants, but if the Senate and Congress decide to pass it, his Veto is overruled. There are 3 votes to everything. Senate, Congress, and President. 2 votes for 'Yes' and the bill passes, 2 votes for 'No' and it fails. ____________________ Changes on Sisi are NOT the end of the world. Wait until Rev III/Trinity is released before drawing conclusions.
Rialtor Amarr Yarrrateers	Posted - 2007.11.11 21:18:00 - [65] Edited by: Rialtor on 11/11/2007 21:21:41 Originally by: Khraven Kai I actually just did a school project on him... The main thing that stood out to me as frightening is he is a strict constitutionalist. He refuses to vote for anything and/or allow anything to function that is not specifically stated in the Constitution. And, for those of you who have read the Constitution, you will see that any form of mandatory public education/healthcare is not in it. An America under Ron Paul would set us back about two hundred years in terms of advancements and programs set in place that have been established under the flex clause "Necessary and Proper". ... Its just foolish. Education needs more funding, not to be removed. You just did a paper on him but perhaps you need to do a paper on the system of government in the US. The federal government is not the be all end of government institution in this country. There are state and local governments that also have their own laws, systems, and processes. The point of the federal government isn't to go into every little detail in every citizen lives. Paul wants to minimize the role of federal government because 1 body presiding over every single aspect in US lives simply does not work. America is too diverse to have that kind of system. In History class IÆm sure you studied about the papers and conclusions of the federalist, anti-federalist that was to be the precursor to the ideas put forth in the constitution. The idea was to have a minimal federal government where its main duty was to protect the states against foreign factions. There is a detailed list of items that the federal government was suppose to handle, however it has grown out of control. Paul simply wants to check the great monster tee US government has become. We keep adding more and more roles to the government and it gets bigger and bigger. Where are the checks? We have career politicians that just want to stay in power and keep adding to this great machine. Those are not the principles which America was founded upon, and it is not the principles that made this country great. And to your point on education, that it just needs more money. It's a complete fallacy. Take DC schools for example, they have the most money per capita than any other district in the world, and they are among the worst educationally. So it's not a simple matter of funding, that's just political jargon. It's about getting parents involved in the school system once again. It's about giving parents a choice to send their kids to a school of their selection. Give incentives fo parents to nvest in their own children's education by investing directly to the school. It's called competition, and that is what Ron Paul wants for the educational system. While I will agree it's so far detached from where the American ideals are currently it is the way the system should work. And it should be a system which implores parents to get involved in the school system. ---- sig ---- Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can change the world... Indeed, it's the only thing that ever has.
NightHaunter Caldari	Posted - 2007.11.11 22:03:00 - [66] I think we need a psychotic president who is not afraid of what others think and will make radical policy changes. I'd vote for him.
Benny Hill Caldari Deceased Inc	Posted - 2007.11.12 00:57:00 - [67] Originally by: galadran Edited by: galadran on 11/11/2007 20:45:47 I'm not American but I'm still going to stick my oar in. Also - I live in the UK and I'm an Athiest! Which is not unusal in the UK but I've heard Christianity is dominiant over in America. Stop reading The Guardian.
Benny Hill Caldari Deceased Inc	Posted - 2007.11.12 01:02:00 - [68] Originally by: galadran Secondly: Be more Tolerant! As a culture America is the most intolerent society in the world. Accept that its "OK" to be Athiest, g*y, black, muslim etc... People are differnt - get over it! In the world? You need to get out more often. How about this. You pick you vacation spot. You can come to the US with a bible and a T-Shirt with the star of David on it. If you want to go to Tehran and walk around the streets with a Bible and a T-Shirt with the Star of David on it, I will pay for yoru vacation and all your expenses when you return.
James Snowscoran Stimulus	Posted - 2007.11.12 01:18:00 - [69] Edited by: James Snowscoran on 12/11/2007 01:24:23 Check it out. Personally I think the guy is very intelligent and has some insights about the USA that you don't find in many other top politicians; at least not publically. But he's also a bit of a paranoid conspiracy theorist; he believes the international community is out to impose its collectivist-fascist laws on the powerless USA via the World Government of the UN, and that the anti-religious elites have an agenda to turn the US into a completely secular nation legally and culturally biased against Christianity. He opposes any kind of mandatory vaccinations because it would infringe on people's rights to not be vaccinated, and opposes any national curriculums or standardized tests because it will somehow violate some redneck's inalienable right to teach their kid intelligent design instead of theory of evolution. It's nuts. I wonder if he realizes the USA sits on the UN security council and can veto any serious proposal coming in from the institution, or if he can imagine the idea that universities, colleges and employers might want to be able to compare standardized test results from across the nation instead of having to work with Mr. Redneck's evaluation of his own son's performance in Redneck School. EDIT: To the poster above, can you actually provide any examples of people being killed or at the very least harassed for displaying a bible or the star of David in Iran? -----
Audri Fisher Caldari VentureCorp Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2007.11.12 01:46:00 - [70] Originally by: Rialtor However Paul's number 1 issue is removing all troops and abandoning all Military bases around the world is very achievable. He would be the Commander and Chief of the Armed forces, and it will be the best thing America can do in terms of funding our programs at home. There's no need to have bases all over the world, that costs money. On that issue alone the American people should vote for him. It really is time to get the military industrial complex in check. There is the problem of treaties though, a LOT of those bases are required by treaty. If you go back on them, then no one trust you ever again. Japan would go ape**** if we pulled all of our troops out of South Korea and Japan. Japan, under the surrender terms of WWII, has very severe limits on her armed forces. They also can't afford to have a military capable of defending themselves from anything bigger than a 3rd rate military. It is freaking expensive to maintain a blue water navy and air force. Those are a requirement to defend an island. I don't think any US WWII vet who fought in the Pacific doubt the fighting ability of the Japanese. It's a money issue, always has been, you have to be able to replace your loses. Most Americans don't want to admit it, but we need Japan and Korea just as much as they need us. We have long passed the point where the United States can pick up it's bat and ball and go home. Our economy is way to entangled with others.
Amarria Black Clan Anthraxx	Posted - 2007.11.12 04:10:00 - [71] Edited by: Amarria Black on 12/11/2007 04:09:46 Originally by: galadran Edited by: galadran on 11/11/2007 20:45:47 I'm not American but I'm still going to stick my oar in. Also - I live in the UK and I'm an Athiest! Which is not unusal in the UK but I've heard Christianity is dominiant over in America. Christianity is the dominant religious persuasion in America. However, only the fundamentalists truly care about which invisible sky monster you root for. The rest of us care more about what you do. Originally by: galadran Firstly: Sort out the political system! It appears to be completly and utterly broken. If the US president has the right to veto ANY decision he/she chose's. Is it still a democracy? Surely if the Senate/Assembly have ratified it the the views of one man are irrelevent? If a bill passes Congress by a simple majority, it then goes to the President. The President then either signs the bill into law, or vetoes it. Upon issuance of a veto, the Congress can then re-pass the bill with a 2/3 majority, overriding the veto. The system isn't broken; it's the voting public. We don't have the will as a people to demand better quality and better behavior out of our elected officials, and yet we keep rewarding them with office. Originally by: galadran Secondly: Be more Tolerant! As a culture America is the most intolerent society in the world. Accept that its "OK" to be Athiest, g*y, black, muslim etc... People are differnt - get over it! The internet =! the US. We're pretty darn tolerant around here. The bigots just talk the loudest and get the most attention. For instance, I live near Asheville, the San Francisco of the East. It has the largest percentage of homosexuals of any city east of the Mississippi River, and an incredibly low incidence of crimes associated with homophobia. Guess where it is? The south, surrounded by backwoods mountains. Don't believe everything that you read / hear / see.
Phantom Slave Amarr Mozzaki United	Posted - 2007.11.12 04:40:00 - [72] Originally by: Audri Fisher There is the problem of treaties though, a LOT of those bases are required by treaty. If you go back on them, then no one trust you ever again. Japan would go ape**** if we pulled all of our troops out of South Korea and Japan. Japan, under the surrender terms of WWII, has very severe limits on her armed forces. They also can't afford to have a military capable of defending themselves from anything bigger than a 3rd rate military. It is freaking expensive to maintain a blue water navy and air force. Those are a requirement to defend an island. I don't think any US WWII vet who fought in the Pacific doubt the fighting ability of the Japanese. It's a money issue, always has been, you have to be able to replace your loses. Most Americans don't want to admit it, but we need Japan and Korea just as much as they need us. We have long passed the point where the United States can pick up it's bat and ball and go home. Our economy is way to entangled with others. I agree that some military installations should be kept, to honor our treaties with other nations. However, the US Government hasn't paid the Japanese Government for our installations in Japan for 10 years, and they're getting fed up with it. My simplest analogy on the subject is this. What would Americans do if China placed a military installation in the US? We'd FREAK OUT. This is OUR country, and we wouldn't want another countries military installation here. This is one reason why so many other countries hate the US. We have installations all over the world, and they aren't exactly happy we're there. ____________________ Changes on Sisi are NOT the end of the world. Wait until Rev III/Trinity is released before drawing conclusions.
Frezik Basically Outdated Stereo Equiptment	Posted - 2007.11.12 05:10:00 - [73] Originally by: Phantom Slave My simplest analogy on the subject is this. What would Americans do if China placed a military installation in the US? We'd FREAK OUT. This is OUR country, and we wouldn't want another countries military installation here. This is one reason why so many other countries hate the US. We have installations all over the world, and they aren't exactly happy we're there. A surprising number of them are very happy the US is there. Even with all the grumbling, Japan gets the protection of a superpower for the cost of a minor defensive military. Germany gets the same. Turkey were proud to get a US missile installation during the Cold War. Saudi Arabia and Kuwait got defense against Iraq. Truth is, each of those installations are there for reasons, and often come with the blessing of the local government.
Amarria Black Clan Anthraxx	Posted - 2007.11.12 05:55:00 - [74] Originally by: Frezik Originally by: Phantom Slave My simplest analogy on the subject is this. What would Americans do if China placed a military installation in the US? We'd FREAK OUT. This is OUR country, and we wouldn't want another countries military installation here. This is one reason why so many other countries hate the US. We have installations all over the world, and they aren't exactly happy we're there. A surprising number of them are very happy the US is there. Even with all the grumbling, Japan gets the protection of a superpower for the cost of a minor defensive military. Germany gets the same. Turkey were proud to get a US missile installation during the Cold War. Saudi Arabia and Kuwait got defense against Iraq. Truth is, each of those installations are there for reasons, and often come with the blessing of the local government. Exactly. Ask the Taiwanese what they think of the presence of American warships the next time China runs naval drills. A carrier group parked in a port is the rough equivalent of a trillion-dollar insurance policy. No one in their right mind will take direct military action against you, for fear that the US will promptly bomb them back into the Bronze Age. It's the same attitude most tourist spots take toward the tourists themselves: hate the people, love their money. Your average Okinawan isn't too keen on the Marines racked out next door, but he sure loves the profit he makes from the overpriced gaudy souvenirs they're buying.
Wendat Huron Stellar Solutions	Posted - 2007.11.12 07:25:00 - [75] Originally by: NightHaunter Edited by: NightHaunter on 11/11/2007 22:11:14 I think we need a psychotic president who is not afraid of what others think and will make radical policy changes. I'd vote for him. Didn't you already...Twice! These forums are FUBAR, upgrade this decade!
Malcanis High4Life SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2007.11.12 11:10:00 - [76] Originally by: Benny Hill Originally by: galadran Secondly: Be more Tolerant! As a culture America is the most intolerent society in the world. Accept that its "OK" to be Athiest, gy, black, muslim etc... People are differnt - get over it! In the world? You need to get out more often. How about this. You pick you vacation spot. You can come to the US with a bible and a T-Shirt with the star of David on it. If you want to go to Tehran and walk around the streets with a Bible and a T-Shirt with the Star of David on it, I will pay for yoru vacation and all your expenses when you return. What about walking around in the US in a t-shirt with the red crescent on it? Or one that says "God loves* ***s" CONCORD provide consequences, not safety; only you can do that.
Amarria Black Clan Anthraxx	Posted - 2007.11.12 12:17:00 - [77] Originally by: Malcanis Originally by: Benny Hill Originally by: galadran Secondly: Be more Tolerant! As a culture America is the most intolerent society in the world. Accept that its "OK" to be Athiest, gy, black, muslim etc... People are differnt - get over it! In the world? You need to get out more often. How about this. You pick you vacation spot. You can come to the US with a bible and a T-Shirt with the star of David on it. If you want to go to Tehran and walk around the streets with a Bible and a T-Shirt with the Star of David on it, I will pay for yoru vacation and all your expenses when you return. What about walking around in the US in a t-shirt with the red crescent on it? Or one that says "God loves* **s" We've got women who walk around in a full hijab* (and yes, I'm aware that's the westernized reference and not Qur'anic.), a much more polarizing and visible symbol of Islam. They don't get lynched. As to clothing that suggests positive attitudes toward homosexuals, I point you to here. That URL is owned by a US company.
Frezik Basically Outdated Stereo Equiptment	Posted - 2007.11.12 14:41:00 - [78] Originally by: Malcanis Originally by: Benny Hill Originally by: galadran Secondly: Be more Tolerant! As a culture America is the most intolerent society in the world. Accept that its "OK" to be Athiest, gy, black, muslim etc... People are differnt - get over it! In the world? You need to get out more often. How about this. You pick you vacation spot. You can come to the US with a bible and a T-Shirt with the star of David on it. If you want to go to Tehran and walk around the streets with a Bible and a T-Shirt with the Star of David on it, I will pay for yoru vacation and all your expenses when you return. What about walking around in the US in a t-shirt with the red crescent on it? Or one that says "God loves* ***s" Not every part of the US is Alabama, you know.
Glarion Garnier Solar Wind	Posted - 2007.11.15 00:44:00 - [79] Originally by: James Snowscoran Edited by: James Snowscoran on 12/11/2007 01:24:23 Check it out. Personally I think the guy is very intelligent and has some insights about the USA that you don't find in many other top politicians; at least not publically. But he's also a bit of a paranoid conspiracy theorist; he believes the international community is out to impose its collectivist-fascist laws on the powerless USA via the World Government of the UN, and that the anti-religious elites have an agenda to turn the US into a completely secular nation legally and culturally biased against Christianity. He opposes any kind of mandatory vaccinations because it would infringe on people's rights to not be vaccinated, and opposes any national curriculums or standardized tests because it will somehow violate some redneck's inalienable right to teach their kid intelligent design instead of theory of evolution. It's nuts. I wonder if he realizes the USA sits on the UN security council and can veto any serious proposal coming in from the institution, or if he can imagine the idea that universities, colleges and employers might want to be able to compare standardized test results from across the nation instead of having to work with Mr. Redneck's evaluation of his own son's performance in Redneck School. EDIT: To the poster above, can you actually provide any examples of people being killed or at the very least harassed for displaying a bible or the star of David in Iran? What makes ron Paul a consipiracy theorists??? dont just point out such serious asumptions provide some proof there is no law. + check the fox video. privacy - check the vid
DarkMatter Sintered Sanity	Posted - 2007.11.15 02:40:00 - [80] Edited by: DarkMatter on 15/11/2007 02:40:01 Originally by: Benny Hill Originally by: galadran Secondly: Be more Tolerant! As a culture America is the most intolerent society in the world. Accept that its "OK" to be Athiest, g*y, black, muslim etc... People are differnt - get over it! In the world? You need to get out more often. How about this. You pick you vacation spot. You can come to the US with a bible and a T-Shirt with the star of David on it. If you want to go to Tehran and walk around the streets with a Bible and a T-Shirt with the Star of David on it, I will pay for yoru vacation and all your expenses when you return. You are my hero dude. That's just poetic! (minus the spelling errors of course) My Current Project
pwnedgato Ore Mongers R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.11.15 02:44:00 - [81] I like Ron Paul's ideas about reducing federal govt, but his economic policies are more than questionable. He just seems interested in putting up walls that will do little in the long run (10 years + maybe less) but keep america behind the developing nations of the world (China. India, Ireland, etc.) ----- signature
James Snowscoran Stimulus	Posted - 2007.11.15 15:35:00 - [82] Edited by: James Snowscoran on 15/11/2007 15:36:41 Originally by: Glarion Garnier Originally by: James Snowscoran Edited by: James Snowscoran on 12/11/2007 01:24:23 Check it out. Personally I think the guy is very intelligent and has some insights about the USA that you don't find in many other top politicians; at least not publically. But he's also a bit of a paranoid conspiracy theorist; he believes the international community is out to impose its collectivist-fascist laws on the powerless USA via the World Government of the UN, and that the anti-religious elites have an agenda to turn the US into a completely secular nation legally and culturally biased against Christianity. He opposes any kind of mandatory vaccinations because it would infringe on people's rights to not be vaccinated, and opposes any national curriculums or standardized tests because it will somehow violate some redneck's inalienable right to teach their kid intelligent design instead of theory of evolution. It's nuts. I wonder if he realizes the USA sits on the UN security council and can veto any serious proposal coming in from the institution, or if he can imagine the idea that universities, colleges and employers might want to be able to compare standardized test results from across the nation instead of having to work with Mr. Redneck's evaluation of his own son's performance in Redneck School. EDIT: To the poster above, can you actually provide any examples of people being killed or at the very least harassed for displaying a bible or the star of David in Iran? What makes ron Paul a consipiracy theorists??? dont just point out such serious asumptions provide some proof there is no law. + check the fox video. privacy - check the vid Did you actually read my link, or for that matter his website, before you posted your reply? Things like "anti-religious elites have an agenda to turn the US into a completely secular nation legally and culturally biased against Christianity" is actually a direct quote from the man. -----
Chainsaw Plankton IDLE GUNS	Posted - 2007.11.15 15:44:00 - [83] Originally by: Kirjava Okay, for the record I am ignoranant of the inner workings of the Federal government - the Parlaimantary one is what I know. Ron Paul seems to be a man who want's to decentralise the power of the USA government to a state level, seems to be more interested in the domestic welfare of the USA than on a global scale, good imho. I am staying out of the whole abortion thing, imho it is something that happens and is here to stay. He wants to change the education system, by how much does he mean? The USA is a leader in global technologies so it comes down to changing it for the benefit of the people or the parents from what it seems. He sounds good from what I have seen in this thread, I will come back to this after reading a bit about the man, sounds like a Mezies Cambell counterpart from what I have heard. but when you nationalize the education system it lowers the bar in some states. cough teachers teaching to the no child left behind tests rather then teaching what the kids more interesting/practical/advanced things. a kid moved to new york from south carolina and ended up essentially a grade back. i wish i could better compare differences in states education systems but i dont have data/experience to do so. and heh im with you on staying away from the abortion topic
Chainsaw Plankton IDLE GUNS	Posted - 2007.11.15 15:54:00 - [84] Originally by: galadran Edited by: galadran on 11/11/2007 20:45:47 I'm not American but I'm still going to stick my oar in. Also - I live in the UK and I'm an Athiest! Which is not unusal in the UK but I've heard Christianity is dominiant over in America. Firstly: Sort out the political system! It appears to be completly and utterly broken. If the US president has the right to veto ANY decision he/she chose's. Is it still a democracy? Surely if the Senate/Assembly have ratified it the the views of one man are irrelevent? Secondly: Be more Tolerant! As a culture America is the most intolerent society in the world. Accept that its "OK" to be Athiest, g*y, black, muslim etc... People are differnt - get over it! president can veto anything yes, but congress can overturn it with a 2/3 vote. unlikely that will happen though with the nice 50/50 split that seems to happen. tolerance is such an interesting thing. location has a lot to do with it. although there are always groups for/against everywhere.
Rialtor Amarr Yarrrateers	Posted - 2007.11.15 16:43:00 - [85] Originally by: Audri Fisher Originally by: Rialtor However Paul's number 1 issue is removing all troops and abandoning all Military bases around the world is very achievable. He would be the Commander and Chief of the Armed forces, and it will be the best thing America can do in terms of funding our programs at home. There's no need to have bases all over the world, that costs money. On that issue alone the American people should vote for him. It really is time to get the military industrial complex in check. There is the problem of treaties though, a LOT of those bases are required by treaty. If you go back on them, then no one trust you ever again. Japan would go ape**** if we pulled all of our troops out of South Korea and Japan. Japan, under the surrender terms of WWII, has very severe limits on her armed forces. They also can't afford to have a military capable of defending themselves from anything bigger than a 3rd rate military. It is freaking expensive to maintain a blue water navy and air force. Those are a requirement to defend an island. I don't think any US WWII vet who fought in the Pacific doubt the fighting ability of the Japanese. It's a money issue, always has been, you have to be able to replace your loses. Most Americans don't want to admit it, but we need Japan and Korea just as much as they need us. We have long passed the point where the United States can pick up it's bat and ball and go home. Our economy is way to entangled with others. We live in a world where we don't need to have physical bases there to fulfill our duties there. ---- sig ---- Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can change the world... Indeed, it's the only thing that ever has.

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