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Dred 'Morte
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Posted - 2007.11.06 22:31:00 -
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4million $ this 5th of november 
I think he has a chance! I believe his ideas and willpower can be compared to JFK, Lincoln and Jackson.
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Dred 'Morte
Winds of Dawn
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Posted - 2007.11.06 22:31:00 -
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4million $ this 5th of november
I think he has a chance! I believe his ideas and willpower can be compared to JFK, Lincoln and Jackson.
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Surfin's PlunderBunny
Minmatar
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Posted - 2007.11.06 22:38:00 -
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Who? 
 Originally by: Liz Kali
Tic Toc Tic Toc , time is ticking
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Surfin's PlunderBunny
Minmatar
mUfFiN fAcToRy
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Posted - 2007.11.06 22:38:00 -
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Who?
Originally by: Liz Kali
Tic Toc Tic Toc , time is ticking
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Frezik
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Posted - 2007.11.06 22:42:00 -
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Originally by: Surfin's PlunderBunny
Who?
Libertarian who happens to be in the American Republican Party, whose very popular on the Internet but unknown elsewhere.
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Dred 'Morte
Winds of Dawn
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Posted - 2007.11.06 22:42:00 -
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http://www.ronpaul2008.com/
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Rialtor
Amarr
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Posted - 2007.11.06 22:42:00 -
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Edited by: Rialtor on 06/11/2007 22:44:26
lol, I'm glad you posted this. I've made a few Ron Paul posts about the 5th, and didn't want to make another would seem a tad bit tasteless.
But anyway, I'm really happy it was successful, it's getting some media attention: Fox, ABC, NBC, AOL, CNN, (Although I HATE the CNN article more on this later). I've donated prior to learning about the 5th, but I decided to donate again because I thought it could work to break through normal political news. Thankfully it did, and it got the a decent response from the media.
Ok now back to CNN. All the other major news media pages had like 2-4 pages on the subject and contained actual quotes from Ron and/or supporters and actual Ron Paul positions. CNN? They're article is total trash. It's like 100-200 words long. CNN had this very unflattering photo, which I barely recognized as Ron Paul, and they ended the article by saying he was anti-abortion, with no further clarification on the issue. I mean I've seen biased news articles before but that article was very unfair to Ron Paul.
It's a horrible piece of journalism.
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Posted - 2007.11.06 23:04:00 -
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I really want Ron Paul to win, despite the fact that I'm not American. I really do think that the American government is beginning to cross the line. A few more wars would shatter America imo. Returning to a more 'laisez fair' (sp?) approach seems like a refreshing idea to me.
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Micheal Dietrich
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Posted - 2007.11.06 23:07:00 -
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Originally by: Dred 'Morte
Learn 2 link
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Dred 'Morte
Winds of Dawn
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Posted - 2007.11.06 23:13:00 -
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my apologies
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Surfin's PlunderBunny
Minmatar
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Posted - 2007.11.06 23:19:00 -
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I'll vote for whoever runs against Hillary... she wins I put my British passport to good use 
Dual citizenship FTW!
Originally by: Liz Kali
Tic Toc Tic Toc , time is ticking
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Sharupak
Minmatar
Knights Of the Black Sun
Rule of Three
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Posted - 2007.11.06 23:21:00 -
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I think he should do another one after the publicity.
I bet he could double it!
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Dred 'Morte
Winds of Dawn
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Posted - 2007.11.06 23:22:00 -
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Ron Paul is the total opposite of Hillary, he's honest to god, he's a man of integrity, is the closest thing there ever was of a consistent honest politician. Hillary, and her husband... oh god they disgust me.
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Dark Shikari
Caldari
Imperium Technologies
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Posted - 2007.11.06 23:31:00 -
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Edited by: Dark Shikari on 06/11/2007 23:34:37
Ron Paul's promises and statements fall into two categories.
The first category is those statements posted everywhere; the ones that make him popular, the ones that make sense and Americans like.
The second category, less publicized, is full of everything from racism to completely insane promises such as removing the public school system.
Half of what he says is really good, while half of it scares the crap out of me.
The main thing that really annoys me about him is that he tried to act like a libertarian on every social issue... except abortion. For everything out there, leave it to the states... except abortion, which should be totally illegal. Which basically suggests to me that he's not actually a libertarian at all, rather more of a liar. Not that other politicians don't lie, of course, but he's certainly not the second coming of Jesus like all his supports seem to make him out to be.
Having him as a president would be on the one hand interesting, but on the other hand I don't think he is sane enough to lead our country, given how ridiculous some of his statements and promises have been.
Honestly though, nothing is going to change until people decide it should change. When people actually want small government and are willing to make the sacrifices for it, Congress will do that; until then, no president will ever be able to get any such budget passed.
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Dred 'Morte
Winds of Dawn
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Posted - 2007.11.06 23:35:00 -
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Edited by: Dred ''Morte on 06/11/2007 23:37:07
Dark Shikari is so going be pwnd. Look mate, Ron Paul has stated, many times, that the abortion issue should be left to be decided at a state level. And he does not want to abolish public school, he wants to abolish the department of education, which basicly regulates what every kid learns in every school. He is against that, he wants freedom and he wants home-schooling.
edit: in fact, i'm sure he did something to that end in congress (state level abortion)
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Posted - 2007.11.06 23:54:00 -
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Originally by: Frezik
Libertarian
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Rialtor
Amarr
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Posted - 2007.11.07 00:44:00 -
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Edited by: Rialtor on 07/11/2007 00:46:52
Edited by: Rialtor on 07/11/2007 00:46:19
Originally by: Dark Shikari
full of everything from racism
Racism:
Comments on Blacks and Crime: I've read those comments about Paul being a racist, and if you actually look into the topic, you'll find those comments were made in a newsletter that Paul did not write. And he's apologized for that already.
Comments about Israeli Lobbyist: The fact of the matter is that you're not an anti-semite if you criticize Israeli Lobbyist.
You're just misinformed and took some articles at face value and didn't look up any further information on the topic. If you look into Paul's record, you know exactly how he stands on these issues.
Paul's stance on Racism
If this is the only dirt that people can dig up on Ron then I suggest no candidate even attempt to get into a Character debate with Ron. They'd lose badly.
Originally by: Dark Shikari
completely insane promises
You have to separate Ron's Ideological/Philosophical idea of how America should be, from the goals he feels are achievable. Ron Paul does not think all of his ideologies are achievable, and his ideologies are not crazy as some may think. Just different than what you are accustomed to today, all you have to do is listen/read his arguments and you'll see how not crazy they are.
So I really don't understand how you call him insane if he knows what he can achieve and what he cannot if he were to be elected president.
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removing the public school system
Ron Paul and his kids attended Public schools. You are misinformed, Ron has not called for the removal of the public school system. He's called for the withdrawal of Federal Government mandated education, IE: the Department of education.
Originally by: Ron Paul
I have also introduced the Education Improvement Tax Cut Act (H.R. 611) that provides a tax credit of up to $3,000 for in-kind or cash donation to public, private, or home schools. The Education Improvement Tax Cut Act relies on the greatest charitable force in history to improve the education of children from low-income families: the generosity of the American people. As with parental tax credits, the Education Improvement Tax Cut Act brings true accountability to education since taxpayers will only donate to schools that provide a quality education.
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Ron on Public Schools and Education
Ron Paul wants competition among the schools as well as schooling systems, and the ability for Parents to make the best choice for their children. This brings up the notion of accountability, the school is accountable to the parents and the children themselves. So the school panders to whom they serve and not to the Federal Government. Making Parents more active in the educational system is definitely what any bill should promote. Parents > Federal Government in terms of deciding what is best for their children.
While many of his ideas sound crazy, if you take the time to learn about the man, and the principals of America you'll find his views are not so crazy, in fact his views were reality not to long ago in American History.
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Rialtor
Amarr
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Posted - 2007.11.07 00:53:00 -
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However Paul's number 1 issue is removing all troops and abandoning all Military bases around the world is very achievable. He would be the Commander and Chief of the Armed forces, and it will be the best thing America can do in terms of funding our programs at home. There's no need to have bases all over the world, that costs money.
On that issue alone the American people should vote for him. It really is time to get the military industrial complex in check.
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Sharupak
Minmatar
Knights Of the Black Sun
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Posted - 2007.11.07 01:08:00 -
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Ron Paul promotes policies of individual empowerment. An almost forgotten philosophy that every nation on the planet has sold for a massive nanny state.
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Dark Shikari
Caldari
Imperium Technologies
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Posted - 2007.11.07 01:14:00 -
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Edited by: Dark Shikari on 07/11/2007 01:16:09
Heh, you can insult almost any candidate out there, from Obama to Hillary to Guiliani, but if you mention a single bad thing about Ron Paul, the apologists will swarm you.
Not to say he wouldn't make a good president, or that any of the other candidates are better (there is no evidence that any of them are), but the primary reason Ron Paul hasn't made more of an impact is because his supporters cannot shut up about how great he is, to the point where everyone else gets phenomenally sick of the whole thing. This will probably lead to him losing the nomination to Guiliani, even though the man continues to constantly make an ass of himself everywhere he goes with his hilarious 9/11 rhetoric and similar, and most Americans, including myself would probably be more comfortable with Ron Paul as president than a borderline fascist.
Speaking of Ron Paul, been to Digg lately?
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Mr Friendly
That it Should Come to This
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Posted - 2007.11.07 02:29:00 -
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Politics has no bloody place on this board, you should all know what will happen
with no mods around to keep things in check, do we want this place to end up like CAOD/4chan, or do we want to self-regulate?
There are moderated boards for political discussion... use those; I'm sick of the flaming and dirt throwing all over Eve-o (and I'm guilty too)
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pwnedgato
Ore Mongers
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Posted - 2007.11.07 02:36:00 -
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Originally by: Mr Friendly
Politics has no bloody place on this board, you should all know what will happen
with no mods around to keep things in check, do we want this place to end up like CAOD/4chan, or do we want to self-regulate?
There are moderated boards for political discussion... use those; I'm sick of the flaming and dirt throwing all over Eve-o (and I'm guilty too)
for a guy named mr friendly you aren't very friendly...
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Posted - 2007.11.07 02:43:00 -
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Originally by: pwnedgato
Originally by: Mr Friendly
Politics has no bloody place on this board, you should all know what will happen
with no mods around to keep things in check, do we want this place to end up like CAOD/4chan, or do we want to self-regulate?
There are moderated boards for political discussion... use those; I'm sick of the flaming and dirt throwing all over Eve-o (and I'm guilty too)
for a guy named mr friendly you aren't very friendly...
No, I'm growing frustrated by posters on Eve acting like it's their personal toilet. That makes me angry.
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pwnedgato
Ore Mongers
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Posted - 2007.11.07 02:43:00 -
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well if you don't have anything nice to say don't say anything at all.
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Posted - 2007.11.07 02:57:00 -
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Originally by: Dark Shikari
Heh, you can insult almost any candidate out there, from Obama to Hillary to Guiliani, but if you mention a single bad thing about Ron Paul, the apologists will swarm you.
While I'll agree some Ron Paul supporters post brash material in response to criticism. You have to take into account many people that make Ron Paul arguments don't make a rational argument based on facts. They're basically throwing down a gaunlet with how they approach the topic and bring it upon themselves -- then they play the Ron Card supporters are childish idiots card. They're basically then painting Ron Paul Supporters with the same brush even though we are all over the spectrum.
And you're not being very fair about the subject. You basically called Ron Paul an Insane Racist, something like that provokes a response. Despise your negative tone, I remained civil in my response, it's a merely a retort to your points which weren't fact based.
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Posted - 2007.11.07 03:00:00 -
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Originally by: Mr Friendly
Politics has no bloody place on this board, you should all know what will happen
with no mods around to keep things in check, do we want this place to end up like CAOD/4chan, or do we want to self-regulate?
There are moderated boards for political discussion... use those; I'm sick of the flaming and dirt throwing all over Eve-o (and I'm guilty too)
Oddly the only post that would be Construed as a CAOD post has been yours. I thought we were having a perfectly civil discussion before the Neighborhood watch showed up :P.
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Posted - 2007.11.07 04:57:00 -
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Originally by: Dark Shikari
P.P.S. If Ron Paul is elected, the gigantic war between the President and Congress will ensure Colbert Report material for years to come
will be enough material the WGA strike wont cancel any shows!
(okay maybe not)
will be interesting to see what happens
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Frezik
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Posted - 2007.11.07 05:16:00 -
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Originally by: Dark Shikari
Not to say he wouldn't make a good president, or that any of the other candidates are better (there is no evidence that any of them are), but the primary reason Ron Paul hasn't made more of an impact is because his supporters cannot shut up about how great he is, to the point where everyone else gets phenomenally sick of the whole thing. This will probably lead to him losing the nomination to Guiliani, even though the man continues to constantly make an ass of himself everywhere he goes with his hilarious 9/11 rhetoric and similar, and most Americans, including myself, would probably be more comfortable with Ron Paul as president than a borderline fascist.
Have you seen the numbers lately? Ron Paul doesn't even have a percentage high enough to be worth listing. Mind you, primaries can and do change at the last minute, and this new infusion of cash might help, but he's got a lot of work ahead of him. Objectively, he's little more than an Internet sensation on the level of an "All your base are belong to us" joke.
OTOH, he does have the best shot of any libertarian so far to at least be listened to by the mass media. The trouble with an inheirently individualistic philosophy like libertarianism is that there will always be very decisive views within the group causing a lot of disorganization. Hence why the officially-named Libertarian party never seems to get anything done, and many self-described libertarians want nothing to do with that party.
It's tough to make a political movement based on individualism. Even the relatively moderate Democrats have difficulty keeping their individual elements together long enough to elect somebody, and the Republicans largely gave up on individualism some time during the Cold War.
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Dred 'Morte
Winds of Dawn
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Posted - 2007.11.07 08:32:00 -
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The reason his doing so bad on the polls is because he doesn't even show up in most of the polls. He has done quite well in the straw polls though, usually 1st, 2nd or 3rd.
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Posted - 2007.11.07 08:55:00 -
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lol, libertarians.
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DarkMatter
Sintered Sanity
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Posted - 2007.11.07 10:37:00 -
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I'd vote for him if I thought he stood a chance... He seems like the most decent politician running.
He won't win the Rep primary, and if he runs independent, that will simply assure a Hillary victory...
It WILL be Hillary vs. Guliani, and Hillary will win... It's written in the stars...
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Dred 'Morte
Winds of Dawn
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Posted - 2007.11.07 14:19:00 -
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If everyone thinks like you, he most certainly won't win. Mate, he's getting more and more support, if you believe in him, vote for him. If he gets the popular vote and doesn't become president, at least people will realise the fraud that is USA's democracy.
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Brujo Loco
Amarr
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Posted - 2007.11.07 15:28:00 -
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Politics SUX ... k ...
Viva VENEZUELA!!!
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Frezik
Basically Outdated Stereo Equiptment
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Posted - 2007.11.07 16:33:00 -
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Originally by: Ilvan
lol, libertarians.
If that were the case, libertarians would be a much better organized, cohesive movement. Rich Business Guys know how to organize things. But the whole movement can barely get together long enough to agree on running a magazine ad.
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Gordan Freeman
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.11.07 17:54:00 -
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I don't usually post on the forums at all really. But I just wanted to say that I personally support Ron Pauls views. I am totally against a federally run and maintained school system. I am also totally against forced immunizations in schools as well. There is no real law that says Amercians have to pay taxes. Yet the IRS will will have Wako like standoffs with tax evaders like they are an armed millita group. Like the case with the Browns. And torture them afterwards for a signed confession. The truth of the matter is the U.S is in trouble internationally and domestically. Only someone as different or "radical" as Ron Paul can get them on the right path again(and by right path I mean the U.S's original path). Weather your Republican or a Democrat Ron Paul really is a true vote for America. Weather you like Ron or not is it not nice to have REAL issues put into debate for once?
I feel this way about Ron Paul and I am not even American. To me that really says something. Im 18 and have seen 2 U.S major elections and 3-4 major Canadian elections and i have to say I have never been more excited about politics ever in my life. This election can actually change the world and maybe if Ron Paul wins... for the better for once?
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Posted - 2007.11.09 13:42:00 -
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Originally by: Dark Shikari
Edited by: Dark Shikari on 07/11/2007 01:22:33
Heh, you can insult almost any candidate out there, from Obama to Hillary to Guiliani, but if you mention a single bad thing about Ron Paul, the apologists will swarm you.
Not to say he wouldn't make a good president, or that any of the other candidates are better (there is no evidence that any of them are), but the primary reason Ron Paul hasn't made more of an impact is because his supporters cannot shut up about how great he is, to the point where everyone else gets phenomenally sick of the whole thing. This will probably lead to him losing the nomination to Guiliani, even though the man continues to constantly make an ass of himself everywhere he goes with his hilarious 9/11 rhetoric and similar, and most Americans, including myself, would probably be more comfortable with Ron Paul as president than a borderline fascist.
The biggest hurdle Ron Paul has is that since he is not a corrupt pork-loving Family ValuesÖ warmongering jingoist in the pockets of the major corporations, he will find it very difficult to get Bush's core group of supporters to support him; remember, 30% of the population still thinks he is doing a good job.
Speaking of Ron Paul, been to Digg lately?
P.S. Politics thread will be locked soon 
P.P.S. If Ron Paul is elected, the gigantic war between the President and Congress will ensure Colbert Report material for years to come
If he looses to Gulliani . Anyways it's beacause of 100% owned private media who dictates who wins and who looses. Good thing about Ron paul is that they cannot shut him down on public shows. Cos ppl would start asking even more questions.
Gualliani is btw. a liar, crossdresser puppet of NWO, etc etc CFR scumm. he's two head advisors would go to war againts iran in an instant. So you better know who you wote for.
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Glarion Garnier
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Posted - 2007.11.09 13:46:00 -
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Originally by: DarkMatter
I'd vote for him if I thought he stood a chance... He seems like the most decent politician running.
He won't win the Rep primary, and if he runs independent, that will simply assure a Hillary victory...
It WILL be Hillary vs. Guliani, and Hillary will win... It's written in the stars...
that is were you fail. Stick to your principals and wote for him. if everyone thinks he has no chance and will not win. He wont. have some integrity. at least you seem to realise that ppl dont really decide who wins and who doesnt. But you ppl can try.
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Glarion Garnier
Solar Wind
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Posted - 2007.11.09 13:48:00 -
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Originally by: Dred 'Morte
The reason his doing so bad on the polls is because he doesn't even show up in most of the polls. He has done quite well in the straw polls though, usually 1st, 2nd or 3rd.
it's like saying the voting machines are allright. LIke polls are allright. everyhting is perfectly not corrupted and all is good in the land of the free.
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Daedalus DuGalle
Gallente
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Posted - 2007.11.09 13:51:00 -
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I stopped paying attention after Colbert got booted 
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Glarion Garnier
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Posted - 2007.11.09 13:56:00 -
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Edited by: Glarion Garnier on 09/11/2007 13:56:07
Interesting CCN feed.
on ron paul
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Dred 'Morte
Winds of Dawn
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Posted - 2007.11.09 20:13:00 -
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p00t
paul owned other team
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Cipher7
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SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2007.11.09 20:51:00 -
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I don't think he has what it takes to win.
Basically he sounds like a classic Conservative.
While I agree less government is good, I do think National Healthcare is a basic fundamental function of government.
To me its as fundamental as public education or having a police force, you just basically need it.
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annoing
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Posted - 2007.11.09 22:37:00 -
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Edited by: annoing on 09/11/2007 22:41:59
Ron Paul just seems like another George Bush but a scarier. What is it about Texass that creates these dumbasses? Ive just been to his website and read his 'issues' section. That man is one mad f*ked up no brain as*wipe. Liberals are to blame for gun crime? No background checks for gun ownership? The right to carry guns anywhere and everywhere? Yeah, back to the frontier days with gunfights for all.. yeehaaa partner! Dont forget his attempt to prevent the ban on assault weapons, afterall, how can you adequately protect your home with an AK47 or how can you hunt withou a fully automatic mauser? The trouble with d*ckwads like Paul are he thinks the more guns there are, the safer ya'll be. Same as the more cr*ck there is available, the less need a cr*ck head will have to rob 10 people a day to make his fix. Or, if you repeal r*pe laws the less likely it will be for girls to fight you off and therefore no rape!. Sh*t, make the age of consent 10 and ya'll wont go to jail for humping your neighbours preteen cheerleader.
Home schooliong is a great idea for him to promote, with his public spending cuts your local elementary, highschool or college wont have enough money to pay for teachers and books anyhow. Just another example of how republicans like Paul would ensure that the poor and un-educated stay that way while the middle classes pay for private education.
Vote for this moron at your own peril.
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I think he has a chance! I believe his ideas and willpower can be compared to JFK, Lincoln.
Never to JFK and NEVER to Lincoln. How can you utter that morons name and policies in the same breath as those 2 i'll never know.
I dont know who is the best candidate for the presidency, but I know who's the worst. Welcome Paul, americas next potential psycho president.
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annoing
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Posted - 2007.11.09 22:41:00 -
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Ron Paul just seems like another George Bush but a scarier. What is it about Texass that creates these dumbasses? Ive just been to his website and read his 'issues' section. That man is one mad f*ked up no brain as*wipe. Liberals are to blame for gun crime? No background checks for gun ownership? The right to carry guns anywhere and everywhere? Yeah, back to the frontier days with gunfights for all.. yeehaaa partner! Dont forget his attempt to prevent the ban on assault weapons, afterall, how can you adequately protect your home with an AK47 or how can you hunt withou a fully automatic mauser? The trouble with d*ckwads like Paul are he thinks the more guns there are, the safer ya'll be. Same as the more cr*ck there is available, the less likely a cr*ck head will have to rob 10 people a day to make his fix. Or, if you repeal r*pe laws the less likely it will be for girls to fight and therefore no r*pe!. Sh*t, make the age of consent 10 and ya'll wont go to jail for humping your neighbours teen cheerleader.
Home schooling is a great idea for him to promote, with his public spending cuts your local public elementary, highschool or college wont have enough money to pay for teachers and books anyhow. Just another example of how republicans like Paul would ensure that the poor and un-educated stay that way while the middle classes pay for private education.
Vote for this moron at your own peril.
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I think he has a chance! I believe his ideas and willpower can be compared to JFK, Lincoln.
Never to JFK and NEVER to Lincoln. How can you utter that morons name and policies in the same breath as those 2 i'll never know.
I dont know who is the best candidate for the presidency, but I know who's the worst. Welcome Paul, americas next potential psycho president.
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Posted - 2007.11.09 23:09:00 -
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I think it possibly contains money and may or may not hold traces of explosives?
Should/would/could have, HAVE you chav!
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Khraven Kai
State War Academy
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Posted - 2007.11.10 00:33:00 -
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I actually just did a school project on him...
The main thing that stood out to me as frightening is he is a strict constitutionalist. He refuses to vote for anything and/or allow anything to function that is not specifically stated in the Constitution.
And, for those of you who have read the Constitution, you will see that any form of mandatory public education/healthcare is not in it. An America under Ron Paul would set us back about two hundred years in terms of advancements and programs set in place that have been established under the flex clause "Necessary and Proper".
He has some good ideas, but he is far too extreme and uncompromising.
As for his abortion stance, he used to be a doctor with a private practice of delivering babies. Thats why hes so anti-abortion.
And as for public education, it has alot of wrongs that need righting, but abolishing the Department of Education would set us back to the stone age. Think about every stupid american youve ever met.
Easy, right?
Now imagine the kids, who would be homeschooled by said stupid Americans.
Frightening, right?
Now imagine their kids...
The removal of a mandatory, federal-funded education system would kill America as a high-tech nation. We already struggle in maths and sciences to other countries without removing the requirement for them altogether.
Many parents never took a calculus class, and of those who did, how many remember it well enough to teach it? Let alone have the time?
Its just foolish. Education needs more funding, not to be removed.
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Sharupak
Minmatar
Knights Of the Black Sun
Rule of Three
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Posted - 2007.11.10 00:42:00 -
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Edited by: Sharupak on 10/11/2007 00:47:02
Originally by: annoing
Edited by: annoing on 09/11/2007 22:41:59
Ron Paul just seems like another George Bush but a scarier. What is it about Texass that creates these dumbasses? Ive just been to his website and read his 'issues' section. That man is one mad f*ked up no brain as*wipe. Liberals are to blame for gun crime? No background checks for gun ownership? The right to carry guns anywhere and everywhere? Yeah, back to the frontier days with gunfights for all.. yeehaaa partner! Dont forget his attempt to prevent the ban on assault weapons, afterall, how can you adequately protect your home with an AK47 or how can you hunt withou a fully automatic mauser? The trouble with d*ckwads like Paul are he thinks the more guns there are, the safer ya'll be. Same as the more cr*ck there is available, the less need a cr*ck head will have to rob 10 people a day to make his fix. Or, if you repeal r*pe laws the less likely it will be for girls to fight you off and therefore no rape!. Sh*t, make the age of consent 10 and ya'll wont go to jail for humping your neighbours preteen cheerleader.
Home schooliong is a great idea for him to promote, with his public spending cuts your local elementary, highschool or college wont have enough money to pay for teachers and books anyhow. Just another example of how republicans like Paul would ensure that the poor and un-educated stay that way while the middle classes pay for private education.
Vote for this moron at your own peril.
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I think he has a chance! I believe his ideas and willpower can be compared to JFK, Lincoln.
Never to JFK and NEVER to Lincoln. How can you utter that morons name and policies in the same breath as those 2 i'll never know.
I dont know who is the best candidate for the presidency, but I know who's the worst. Welcome Paul, americas next potential psycho president.
20 million Russians dead under Stalin...Firearms ownership had to be authorized
6 million jews dead under ****** ...firearms were illegal
1 million Chinese dead during the cultural revolution and 10 year civil war from 1966 - 1976...firearms were illegal to import (so that the few that actually had any money didnt import a bunch of weapons and distribute them to the masses of poor that couldnt afford one.
We don't even know how many millions are dead in African countries like Uganda, Somalia, Kenya. Perhaps if the UN would ship firearms to peoples houses, they would die less and be able to defend their land and start feeding themselves.
Cambodia - a million
countless central and south American nations innocent people dieing by the thousands a year to governmental tyranny, drug cartels, and rebels.
All of these people are unable to dish out the pain inflicted upon them. If we arent very ******* careful, this disease will be comming to a western civilization near you.
Please take a history lesson. You can disagree with paul, thats fine. It might be a good idea though if you actually had knowledge on the same subject you are accusing someone else of lacking.
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Dred 'Morte
Winds of Dawn
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Posted - 2007.11.10 01:18:00 -
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Edited by: Dred ''Morte on 10/11/2007 01:17:55
lol how many times do i have to say this: ron paul doesn't want to end public schools or defund it, he just wants department of education pwnd and education power back to the states/schools. Second, the reason why I compare him with Lincoln, JFK, and i forgot Jackson, is that they all fought valienty the world bankers, the first two got shot though...
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Malcanis
High4Life
SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2007.11.10 01:21:00 -
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Originally by: DarkMatter
I'd vote for him if I thought he stood a chance... He seems like the most decent politician running.
He won't win the Rep primary, and if he runs independent, that will simply assure a Hillary victory...
It WILL be Hillary vs. Guliani, and Hillary will win... It's written in the stars...
LOL! Atfer all if you don't vote for the winning candidate, your vote is wasted, right? 
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annoing
Amarr
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Posted - 2007.11.10 01:47:00 -
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Originally by: Sharupak
20 million Russians dead under Stalin...Firearms ownership had to be authorized
Weapons were still owned by those that could afford. For the most part it was the army and security forces that did the damage with the weapons, most of the 20mil died as a direct result of the war, famine, lack of medical and only a relatively small number died from the persecution... your argument fails here.
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6 million jews dead under ****** ...firearms were illegal
Are you saying that if the Jews had had free access to weapons they wouldnt have been gassed? Maybe if the Germans as a whole had had free access to guns maybe H*tler wouldnt have gained power? Well I have some news to you, because h*tler and his followers DID have access , as private citizens, to guns they were able to have gun battles in the street. Look up the Pusch Uprising. As for the Jewish side of your argument, please, you made yourself sound dull and ill informed. Your argument fails here.
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1 million Chinese dead during the cultural revolution and 10 year civil war from 1966 - 1976...firearms were illegal to import (so that the few that actually had any money didnt import a bunch of weapons and distribute them to the masses of poor that couldnt afford one.
The 'culteral revolution' had nothing to do with the ability to own weapons as a private citizen. Gun ownership would NOT have prevented those deaths. As for the civil war, remember that the weapons were provided by the Russians on one side, and America on the other. Your argument fails here.
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We don't even know how many millions are dead in African countries like Uganda, Somalia, Kenya. Perhaps if the UN would ship firearms to peoples houses, they would die less and be able to defend their land and start feeding themselves.
Wow, crass stupidity. The weapons used in africa (for the most part) are provided by russian and american arms manufacturers. Private gun ownership would NOT prevent the genocide, prevent the civil wars, prevent the wars. These are the things, along with trade tariffs, spriraling debt that cause hardship in africa. Gun ownership does not work here. Your arguments fails here, along with your brain it seems.
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Cambodia - a million
Plenty of peoiple own guns here, a left over from the Vietnam war and the supply of weapons from the east and west. Didnt stop the deaths because it was a civil war. If you think that private gun ownership would stop the army outside your door from coming in, you must be daft in the head. It was another civil war. Your argument fails here too.
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countless central and south American nations innocent people dieing by the thousands a year to governmental tyranny, drug cartels, and rebels.
Govermental tyranny supported actively by the USA. Weapons mostly provided by the USA to the governments, drug money (raised by the sale in the USA) buys guns made in the USA for the drug cartels. Private gun ownership in south america is for those that can afford it, still the people die. why? because its just so damn f*cking easy to buy guns from the USA. Private gun ownership would not stop the drug gangs in the townships because fear doesnt work that way. Your argument fails here.
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All of these people are unable to dish out the pain inflicted upon them.
If they had a gun it wouldnt have made one iota of difference. Your argyument is both purile and ill conceived. Gun ownership isnt the answer, not making guns is the answer, not making ammo is the answer, restricing the manufacture of weapons and their ammo is the answer. Your argument fails here.
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If we arent very ******* careful, this disease will be comming to a western civilization near you.
it is! just look in your ghettos.
You fail 100%. Well done.
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Cipher7
VersaTech Interstellar Ltd.
SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2007.11.10 03:21:00 -
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I agree that there should be an armed citizenry, that disarming citizens is the first step in a tyrannical government.
Lots of places in the world have very liberal gun laws, but they don't go around shooting each other like we do.
I think America is unique in that we have some of the most violent subcultures in the world. People kill their wives over alimony and child support. People kill business rivals. Bloods and Crips, and various other gangbangers kill each other all the time.
Part of the problem is that America is not a Nation, it is simply a location.
We are nation of immigrants, with conflicting cultures.
If you go to France people say "I'm French."
If you go to America one guy says, "I'm Black" another guy says "I'm Jewish" another guy says "I'm Mexican."
We seem to be weak in terms of having a NATIONAL IDENTITY, its almost like we live in the UN where everybody's from somewhere else.
The simple truth is I don't trust a large portion of people who live in this country with owning a gun.
I'm ok with people in Iowa owning guns, but I'm not ok with people in Compton owning guns.
We need a much stricter immigration policy.
More importantly, we desperately need some sort of Eugenics policy.
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Sharupak
Minmatar
Knights Of the Black Sun
Rule of Three
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Posted - 2007.11.10 03:29:00 -
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Originally by: annoing
stuff
Comment 1 Those that could afford...like 10%? Gulags in siberia and every 5 to 10 years someone finds a mass burial grave where the dead executed. Of course it didnt get a whole lot better after stalin either with KGB and people being dragged off in the middle of the night. Most? so you justifying through a body count is the failure in my arguement?
Comment 2 I said nothing of the sort. Perhaps they wouldnt have been gassed. But we wont know because hey, they didnt have a weapon to defend themselves.
Comment 3 I didnt say it did. who cares who was fronting the weapons. My arguement fails because of your circular logic.
Comment 4 The circular logic things and who cares who was fronting the weapons
Comment 5 I am talking about Pol Pot...ahh hell, I will just wiki it Linkage
Comment 6 Yes yes yes the USA, exactly why the poor civilian populations need firearms. Figurehead governments arent doing their job....and the circular non sequitur logic again.
Comment 7 No gun ownership isnt the ultimate answer. The ultimate answer is for a small percentage of the population to finally realize that violent forms of control and manipulation are costing them something that they cannot see. Until that happens, the logic is simple....If I have a gun and my neighbor has a gun and his neighbor has a gun and his neighbor has a gun and her neighbor has a gun, we have several things. 1. a means to say no and mean it. 2. a chance 3. a deterrent. It is unarguable if side a has guns and side b has guns also, the playing field is somewhat equalized.
Comment 8 I have seen them as I grew up next to a woman on welfare with 7 kids giving her kids welfare money to her crank dealing boyfriend who was loaded to the hilt with guns that he didnt buy. One night he had her ass in a hammer lock on the hood of the car beating the living **** out of her. My mom was so scared that she jumped in my bed. My dad happened to be working the mid shift and was not home. All I did was step out of the door with my dads twelve gauge and yell "HEY" and racked a round in the chamber and that sound was all it took he froze and she ran into the house and the cops showed up a minute later.
You are up on US arms dealing right? Then you should know where all the military style weapons that gangsters have are comming from.
This disease is comming to europe or wherever you live. It is just a matter of time.
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annoing
Amarr
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Posted - 2007.11.10 11:29:00 -
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Originally by: Sharupak
complete tripe
1) You keep on with this tosh that gun ownership in Russuia would have prevented Stalins gulags, you maintain a poor poor grasp of history and politics. Again, private guns (regardless of their price value) will NOT have stopped a social movement. For all its wrongs, Stailn and his followers were a social and political movement. They held power, a power taken from the impetus of the October Revolution. You seem to think that some dissident would be able to hold off the Red Army with a shottie outside his door.. he wouldnt and neither would he have tried. Your argument still fails, even more so when you defend it.
2) Your argument and brain become weaker by the minute. Again, this was a social and political movement that gun ownership would not have prevented. The only chance people had to prevent H*tler and his cronies was lost in the 20's by a weak and unstable Government. Like Ron Paul, a loony came along with speeches and promises that enthralled the people. Who cared that there was the odd weird policy in there, as long as most of it made sense right?
3) It matters who was fronting the weapons because of the supply chain. Take out the supply and the chain fails. Just like your argument. America is the worlds single largest manufacturer of hand-held weapons. Remove that, regulate manufacture and supply and you go a long way to removing the cause. It isnt the full answer, but its a start.
4) Only an idiot still doesnt care where the weapons comes from and your argument belies your IQ, or lack thereof.
5) I understood you were talking about Pol Pot, I dont need a history lesson from a person that fails to understand that the social apspects of history MAKE history. Again, though, I have to point out, this started as a social and political movement. And again, you seem to think that if the intellectuals/doctors/people who wore glasses had the right to bear arms none of this would have happened. Your daftness is getting stronger.
6) You take crass stupidity to a whole new sub level here. The people NEED guns because the way that the USA supports financially, politically and with guns those South American states as long as they keep socialist political movements from their door? You keep repeating 'circular logic' to me here as a kind of mantra to ward off your illogical comments and crass stupidity. You have no grasp of history, you have no grasp of politics and you have no grasp of social movement.
7) You have a gun, your neighbour has a gun, damn the whole f*king street owns a gun. Now you get into the realms of social cohesion as a unit, psychological welfare, social habits (alcahol, drugs - prescribed and illegal), ordinary mental welfare (happy, sad, depressed, suicidal), social welfare etc etc. Gun ownership makes for instability, not stability. Just one of those factor alone causes death with a weapon, add them all together for mayhem. Let the battle commence! Yeehaa partner.
So far all the things you have mentioned are events caused by social and political movements, even the cr*ck-head. Private gun ownership wouldnt and couldnt have prevented this. In fact, gun ownership and the previlence of guns would and can only have made things worse.
I love the way people go on about the constitution when trying to defend their own warped ideals. The second amendment is used as an excuse for private guns instead of taken in the context to which it was written, and the times it was written in. Over 300 years ago, look around you, times have changed. The world moved on, the USA became a country and there is no need for that now. And anyway, you ignore the first amendment when it suits you, the 3rd, 4th, 6th and 8th too. So why the big fuss on warping the 2nd to suit your argument? Oh thats right, the NRA uses Lamberts version of the 2nd, with its crappy punctuation as its excuse.. yeah to go USA!
Grow up, lose the guns. Fix society now instead and not with a gun either [)
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Amarria Black
Clan Anthraxx
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Posted - 2007.11.10 11:39:00 -
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Staying the hell out of this one, as Paulites make Scientologists look sane, but for the record:
Ron Paul is NOT a Libertarian. He's a Confederate, or a Jeffersonian. He pushes states' rights at the expense of all else. He ultimately stands for the dissolution of the federal system of government. I'm not saying that the majority of his ideas are bad ones; I'm merely calling a spade a spade.
Carry on.
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Glarion Garnier
Solar Wind
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Posted - 2007.11.10 12:37:00 -
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Originally by: Malcanis
Originally by: DarkMatter
I'd vote for him if I thought he stood a chance... He seems like the most decent politician running.
He won't win the Rep primary, and if he runs independent, that will simply assure a Hillary victory...
It WILL be Hillary vs. Guliani, and Hillary will win... It's written in the stars...
LOL! Atfer all if you don't vote for the winning candidate, your vote is wasted, right?
You logic has flaw in it. You should only vote for the right candidate for your self. Period.
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Glarion Garnier
Solar Wind
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Posted - 2007.11.10 12:42:00 -
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Originally by: annoing
Edited by: annoing on 09/11/2007 22:41:59
Ron Paul just seems like another George Bush but a scarier. What is it about Texass that creates these dumbasses? Ive just been to his website and read his 'issues' section. That man is one mad f*ked up no brain as*wipe. Liberals are to blame for gun crime? No background checks for gun ownership? The right to carry guns anywhere and everywhere? Yeah, back to the frontier days with gunfights for all.. yeehaaa partner! Dont forget his attempt to prevent the ban on assault weapons, afterall, how can you adequately protect your home with an AK47 or how can you hunt withou a fully automatic mauser? The trouble with d*ckwads like Paul are he thinks the more guns there are, the safer ya'll be. Same as the more cr*ck there is available, the less need a cr*ck head will have to rob 10 people a day to make his fix. Or, if you repeal r*pe laws the less likely it will be for girls to fight you off and therefore no rape!. Sh*t, make the age of consent 10 and ya'll wont go to jail for humping your neighbours preteen cheerleader.
Home schooliong is a great idea for him to promote, with his public spending cuts your local elementary, highschool or college wont have enough money to pay for teachers and books anyhow. Just another example of how republicans like Paul would ensure that the poor and un-educated stay that way while the middle classes pay for private education.
Vote for this moron at your own peril.
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I think he has a chance! I believe his ideas and willpower can be compared to JFK, Lincoln.
Never to JFK and NEVER to Lincoln. How can you utter that morons name and policies in the same breath as those 2 i'll never know.
I dont know who is the best candidate for the presidency, but I know who's the worst. Welcome Paul, americas next potential psycho president.
Hey alt poster. You dont know the behind logic behind the gun ownersip beeing a good thing right now at america. Ron paul if trying to defent ppl from possible crazyness of goverment towards ppl. he knows that the public school system is deliberatly stupifying the masses so they wont realise that their rights are taken away at ever fastening pace. So he wants to fix that. There is logic to him you just have to understand it.
Offcourse should he be elected as predident .. I would worry for hes health There is huge pile of greedy sick elite who dont want him to win. Elite who make most money from wars, drugs, etc
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Glarion Garnier
Solar Wind
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Posted - 2007.11.10 12:45:00 -
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Edited by: Glarion Garnier on 10/11/2007 12:47:39
Originally by: Amarria Black
Staying the hell out of this one, as Paulites make Scientologists look sane, but for the record:
Ron Paul is NOT a Libertarian. He's a Confederate, or a Jeffersonian. He pushes states' rights at the expense of all else. He ultimately stands for the dissolution of the federal system of government. I'm not saying that the majority of his ideas are bad ones; I'm merely calling a spade a spade.
Carry on.
thanks .. this thread required some anti spinning allready
after all classifying ppl is te oldest trick in the book. Disrupts the focus from the important stuff. libretaratan (pharase private media wants to make him to be).
what else . all irrelevant. judge him by he's tougts and words. Not by the categorization words you hear on the private american media) after all most of you dont really mean what those words mean in the first place. So dont try to feed them to everyone.
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annoing
Amarr
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Posted - 2007.11.10 14:19:00 -
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Originally by: Glarion Garnier
Hey alt poster.
You should stop being a lazy moron and look me up in the game. I was playing Eve in beta when you were still in nappies.
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Kirjava
Lothian Quay Industries
Zzz
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Posted - 2007.11.10 14:20:00 -
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Okay, for the record I am ignoranant of the inner workings of the Federal government - the Parlaimantary one is what I know.
Ron Paul seems to be a man who want's to decentralise the power of the USA government to a state level, seems to be more interested in the domestic welfare of the USA than on a global scale, good imho.
I am staying out of the whole abortion thing, imho it is something that happens and is here to stay. He wants to change the education system, by how much does he mean? The USA is a leader in global technologies so it comes down to changing it for the benefit of the people or the parents from what it seems.
He sounds good from what I have seen in this thread, I will come back to this after reading a bit about the man, sounds like a Mezies Cambell counterpart from what I have heard.
Originally by: CCP Morpheus
Post with your alt.
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Sharupak
Minmatar
Knights Of the Black Sun
Rule of Three
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Posted - 2007.11.10 16:06:00 -
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Originally by: annoing
Originally by: Sharupak
complete tripe
More opinions backed by nothing but circular logic blah blah! and lose the guns comment
This is going nowhere so I will answer 6 and be done with this conversation.
If you dont need a history lesson, then you should know the US is not even close to the only nation now or ever that tries to dominate everything it sees. Every civilization that historians jack off to and tout "they were so great blah blah blah" pulled the same bull**** america does. In fact, America is probably going to be a minor footnote in history by comparison.
Now, just from a statistical odds perspective. When America gets straightened out, how long do you think its going to be before someone on a message board is saying the same **** about China. How about russia.
I will finish up later as I agree with you on the Ultimate problem, and I am actually interested in what you think the solution is...if this thread doesnt get locked first.
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Dred 'Morte
Winds of Dawn
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Posted - 2007.11.10 22:13:00 -
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lol talk bad about him talk good about him, just keep talking
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Wendat Huron
Stellar Solutions
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Posted - 2007.11.11 02:42:00 -
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Why all this fuss about a librarian?
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galadran
Caldari
Alcohol Fueled Brutality
Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2007.11.11 20:45:00 -
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Edited by: galadran on 11/11/2007 20:45:47
I'm not American but I'm still going to stick my oar in. Also - I live in the UK and I'm  an Athiest! Which is not unusal in the UK but I've heard Christianity is dominiant over in America.
Firstly: Sort out the political system! It appears to be completly and utterly broken. If the US president has the right to veto ANY decision he/she chose's. Is it still a democracy? Surely if the Senate/Assembly have ratified it the the views of one man are irrelevent?
Secondly: Be more Tolerant! As a culture America is the most intolerent society in the world. Accept that its "OK" to be Athiest, g*y, black, muslim etc... People are differnt - get over it!
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Phantom Slave
Amarr
Mozzaki United
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Posted - 2007.11.11 20:52:00 -
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Originally by: galadran
Edited by: galadran on 11/11/2007 20:45:47
I'm not American but I'm still going to stick my oar in. Also - I live in the UK and I'm an Athiest! Which is not unusal in the UK but I've heard Christianity is dominiant over in America.
Firstly: Sort out the political system! It appears to be completly and utterly broken. If the US president has the right to veto ANY decision he/she chose's. Is it still a democracy? Surely if the Senate/Assembly have ratified it the the views of one man are irrelevent?
Secondly: Be more Tolerant! As a culture America is the most intolerent society in the world. Accept that its "OK" to be Athiest, g*y, black, muslim etc... People are differnt - get over it!
The president can Veto anything he wants, but if the Senate and Congress decide to pass it, his Veto is overruled. There are 3 votes to everything. Senate, Congress, and President. 2 votes for 'Yes' and the bill passes, 2 votes for 'No' and it fails.
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Rialtor
Amarr
Yarrrateers
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Posted - 2007.11.11 21:18:00 -
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Edited by: Rialtor on 11/11/2007 21:21:41
Originally by: Khraven Kai
I actually just did a school project on him...
The main thing that stood out to me as frightening is he is a strict constitutionalist. He refuses to vote for anything and/or allow anything to function that is not specifically stated in the Constitution.
And, for those of you who have read the Constitution, you will see that any form of mandatory public education/healthcare is not in it. An America under Ron Paul would set us back about two hundred years in terms of advancements and programs set in place that have been
established under the flex clause "Necessary and Proper".
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Its just foolish. Education needs more funding, not to be removed.
You just did a paper on him but perhaps you need to do a paper on the system of government in the US. The federal government is not the be all end of government institution in this country. There are state and local governments that also have their own laws, systems, and processes. The point of the federal government isn't to go into every little detail in every citizen lives. Paul wants to minimize the role of federal government because 1 body presiding over every single aspect in US lives simply does not work. America is too diverse to have that kind of system.
In History class IĈm sure you studied about the papers and conclusions of the federalist, anti-federalist that was to be the precursor to the ideas put forth in the constitution. The idea was to have a minimal federal government where its main duty was to protect the states against foreign factions. There is a detailed list of items that the federal government was suppose to handle, however it has grown out of control.
Paul simply wants to check the great monster tee US government has become. We keep adding more and more roles to the government and it gets bigger and bigger. Where are the checks? We have career politicians that just want to stay in power and keep adding to this great machine. Those are not the principles which America was founded upon, and it is not the principles that made this country great.
And to your point on education, that it just needs more money. It's a complete fallacy. Take DC schools for example, they have the most money per capita than any other district in the world, and they are among the worst educationally. So it's not a simple matter of funding, that's just political jargon. It's about getting parents involved in the school system once again. It's about giving parents a choice to send their kids to a school of their selection. Give incentives fo parents to nvest in their own children's education by investing directly to the school. It's called competition, and that is what Ron Paul wants for the educational system.
While I will agree it's so far detached from where the American ideals are currently it is the way the system should work. And it should be a system which implores parents to get involved in the school system.
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Caldari
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Posted - 2007.11.11 22:03:00 -
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I think we need a psychotic president who is not afraid of what others think and will make radical policy changes.
I'd vote for him.
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Benny Hill
Caldari
Deceased Inc
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Posted - 2007.11.12 00:57:00 -
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Originally by: galadran
Edited by: galadran on 11/11/2007 20:45:47
I'm not American but I'm still going to stick my oar in. Also - I live in the UK and I'm an Athiest! Which is not unusal in the UK but I've heard Christianity is dominiant over in America.
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Caldari
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Posted - 2007.11.12 01:02:00 -
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Originally by: galadran
Secondly: Be more Tolerant! As a culture America is the most intolerent society in the world. Accept that its "OK" to be Athiest, g*y, black, muslim etc... People are differnt - get over it!
In the world? You need to get out more often. How about this. You pick you vacation spot. You can come to the US with a bible and a T-Shirt with the star of David on it. If you want to go to Tehran and walk around the streets with a Bible and a T-Shirt with the Star of David on it, I will pay for yoru vacation and all your expenses when you return. |
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Posted - 2007.11.12 01:18:00 -
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Edited by: James Snowscoran on 12/11/2007 01:24:23
Check it out.
Personally I think the guy is very intelligent and has some insights about the USA that you don't find in many other top politicians; at least not publically. But he's also a bit of a paranoid conspiracy theorist; he believes the international community is out to impose its collectivist-fascist laws on the powerless USA via the World Government of the UN, and that the anti-religious elites have an agenda to turn the US into a completely secular nation legally and culturally biased against Christianity. He opposes any kind of mandatory vaccinations because it would infringe on people's rights to not be vaccinated, and opposes any national curriculums or standardized tests because it will somehow violate some redneck's inalienable right to teach their kid intelligent design instead of theory of evolution. It's nuts. I wonder if he realizes the USA sits on the UN security council and can veto any serious proposal coming in from the institution, or if he can imagine the idea that universities, colleges and employers might want to be able to compare standardized test results from across the nation instead of having to work with Mr. Redneck's evaluation of his own son's performance in Redneck School.
EDIT: To the poster above, can you actually provide any examples of people being killed or at the very least harassed for displaying a bible or the star of David in Iran?
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Posted - 2007.11.12 01:46:00 -
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Originally by: Rialtor
However Paul's number 1 issue is removing all troops and abandoning all Military bases around the world is very achievable. He would be the Commander and Chief of the Armed forces, and it will be the best thing America can do in terms of funding our programs at home. There's no need to have bases all over the world, that costs money.
On that issue alone the American people should vote for him. It really is time to get the military industrial complex in check.
There is the problem of treaties though, a LOT of those bases are required by treaty. If you go back on them, then no one trust you ever again. Japan would go ape**** if we pulled all of our troops out of South Korea and Japan. Japan, under the surrender terms of WWII, has very severe limits on her armed forces. They also can't afford to have a military capable of defending themselves from anything bigger than a 3rd rate military. It is freaking expensive to maintain a blue water navy and air force. Those are a requirement to defend an island. I don't think any US WWII vet who fought in the Pacific doubt the fighting ability of the Japanese. It's a money issue, always has been, you have to be able to replace your loses.
Most Americans don't want to admit it, but we need Japan and Korea just as much as they need us. We have long passed the point where the United States can pick up it's bat and ball and go home. Our economy is way to entangled with others.
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Posted - 2007.11.12 04:10:00 -
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Edited by: Amarria Black on 12/11/2007 04:09:46
Originally by: galadran
Edited by: galadran on 11/11/2007 20:45:47
I'm not American but I'm still going to stick my oar in. Also - I live in the UK and I'm an Athiest! Which is not unusal in the UK but I've heard Christianity is dominiant over in America.
Christianity is the dominant religious persuasion in America. However, only the fundamentalists truly care about which invisible sky monster you root for. The rest of us care more about what you do.
Originally by: galadran
Firstly: Sort out the political system! It appears to be completly and utterly broken. If the US president has the right to veto ANY decision he/she chose's. Is it still a democracy? Surely if the Senate/Assembly have ratified it the the views of one man are irrelevent?
If a bill passes Congress by a simple majority, it then goes to the President. The President then either signs the bill into law, or vetoes it. Upon issuance of a veto, the Congress can then re-pass the bill with a 2/3 majority, overriding the veto. The system isn't broken; it's the voting public. We don't have the will as a people to demand better quality and better behavior out of our elected officials, and yet we keep rewarding them with office.
Originally by: galadran
Secondly: Be more Tolerant! As a culture America is the most intolerent society in the world. Accept that its "OK" to be Athiest, g*y, black, muslim etc... People are differnt - get over it!
The internet =! the US. We're pretty darn tolerant around here. The bigots just talk the loudest and get the most attention. For instance, I live near Asheville, the San Francisco of the East. It has the largest percentage of homosexuals of any city east of the Mississippi River, and an incredibly low incidence of crimes associated with homophobia. Guess where it is? The south, surrounded by backwoods mountains. Don't believe everything that you read / hear / see.
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Posted - 2007.11.12 04:40:00 -
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Originally by: Audri Fisher
There is the problem of treaties though, a LOT of those bases are required by treaty. If you go back on them, then no one trust you ever again. Japan would go ape**** if we pulled all of our troops out of South Korea and Japan. Japan, under the surrender terms of WWII, has very severe limits on her armed forces. They also can't afford to have a military capable of defending themselves from anything bigger than a 3rd rate military. It is freaking expensive to maintain a blue water navy and air force. Those are a requirement to defend an island. I don't think any US WWII vet who fought in the Pacific doubt the fighting ability of the Japanese. It's a money issue, always has been, you have to be able to replace your loses.
Most Americans don't want to admit it, but we need Japan and Korea just as much as they need us. We have long passed the point where the United States can pick up it's bat and ball and go home. Our economy is way to entangled with others.
I agree that some military installations should be kept, to honor our treaties with other nations. However, the US Government hasn't paid the Japanese Government for our installations in Japan for 10 years, and they're getting fed up with it.
My simplest analogy on the subject is this. What would Americans do if China placed a military installation in the US? We'd FREAK OUT. This is OUR country, and we wouldn't want another countries military installation here. This is one reason why so many other countries hate the US. We have installations all over the world, and they aren't exactly happy we're there.
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Posted - 2007.11.12 05:10:00 -
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Originally by: Phantom Slave
My simplest analogy on the subject is this. What would Americans do if China placed a military installation in the US? We'd FREAK OUT. This is OUR country, and we wouldn't want another countries military installation here. This is one reason why so many other countries hate the US. We have installations all over the world, and they aren't exactly happy we're there.
A surprising number of them are very happy the US is there. Even with all the grumbling, Japan gets the protection of a superpower for the cost of a minor defensive military. Germany gets the same. Turkey were proud to get a US missile installation during the Cold War. Saudi Arabia and Kuwait got defense against Iraq.
Truth is, each of those installations are there for reasons, and often come with the blessing of the local government.
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Posted - 2007.11.12 05:55:00 -
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Originally by: Frezik
Originally by: Phantom Slave
My simplest analogy on the subject is this. What would Americans do if China placed a military installation in the US? We'd FREAK OUT. This is OUR country, and we wouldn't want another countries military installation here. This is one reason why so many other countries hate the US. We have installations all over the world, and they aren't exactly happy we're there.
A surprising number of them are very happy the US is there. Even with all the grumbling, Japan gets the protection of a superpower for the cost of a minor defensive military. Germany gets the same. Turkey were proud to get a US missile installation during the Cold War. Saudi Arabia and Kuwait got defense against Iraq.
Truth is, each of those installations are there for reasons, and often come with the blessing of the local government.
Exactly. Ask the Taiwanese what they think of the presence of American warships the next time China runs naval drills. A carrier group parked in a port is the rough equivalent of a trillion-dollar insurance policy. No one in their right mind will take direct military action against you, for fear that the US will promptly bomb them back into the Bronze Age.
It's the same attitude most tourist spots take toward the tourists themselves: hate the people, love their money. Your average Okinawan isn't too keen on the Marines racked out next door, but he sure loves the profit he makes from the overpriced gaudy souvenirs they're buying.
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Posted - 2007.11.12 07:25:00 -
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Originally by: NightHaunter
Edited by: NightHaunter on 11/11/2007 22:11:14
I think we need a psychotic president who is not afraid of what others think and will make radical policy changes.
I'd vote for him.
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Posted - 2007.11.12 11:10:00 -
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Originally by: Benny Hill
Originally by: galadran
Secondly: Be more Tolerant! As a culture America is the most intolerent society in the world. Accept that its "OK" to be Athiest, g*y, black, muslim etc... People are differnt - get over it!
In the world? You need to get out more often. How about this. You pick you vacation spot. You can come to the US with a bible and a T-Shirt with the star of David on it. If you want to go to Tehran and walk around the streets with a Bible and a T-Shirt with the Star of David on it, I will pay for yoru vacation and all your expenses when you return.
What about walking around in the US in a t-shirt with the red crescent on it?
Or one that says "God loves ***s"
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Posted - 2007.11.12 12:17:00 -
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Originally by: Malcanis
Originally by: Benny Hill
Originally by: galadran
Secondly: Be more Tolerant! As a culture America is the most intolerent society in the world. Accept that its "OK" to be Athiest, g*y, black, muslim etc... People are differnt - get over it!
In the world? You need to get out more often. How about this. You pick you vacation spot. You can come to the US with a bible and a T-Shirt with the star of David on it. If you want to go to Tehran and walk around the streets with a Bible and a T-Shirt with the Star of David on it, I will pay for yoru vacation and all your expenses when you return.
What about walking around in the US in a t-shirt with the red crescent on it?
Or one that says "God loves ***s"
We've got women who walk around in a full hijab (and yes, I'm aware that's the westernized reference and not Qur'anic.), a much more polarizing and visible symbol of Islam. They don't get lynched.
As to clothing that suggests positive attitudes toward homosexuals, I point you to here. That URL is owned by a US company.
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Posted - 2007.11.12 14:41:00 -
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Originally by: Malcanis
Originally by: Benny Hill
Originally by: galadran
Secondly: Be more Tolerant! As a culture America is the most intolerent society in the world. Accept that its "OK" to be Athiest, g*y, black, muslim etc... People are differnt - get over it!
In the world? You need to get out more often. How about this. You pick you vacation spot. You can come to the US with a bible and a T-Shirt with the star of David on it. If you want to go to Tehran and walk around the streets with a Bible and a T-Shirt with the Star of David on it, I will pay for yoru vacation and all your expenses when you return.
What about walking around in the US in a t-shirt with the red crescent on it?
Or one that says "God loves ***s"
Not every part of the US is Alabama, you know.
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Posted - 2007.11.15 00:44:00 -
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Originally by: James Snowscoran
Edited by: James Snowscoran on 12/11/2007 01:24:23
Check it out.
Personally I think the guy is very intelligent and has some insights about the USA that you don't find in many other top politicians; at least not publically. But he's also a bit of a paranoid conspiracy theorist; he believes the international community is out to impose its collectivist-fascist laws on the powerless USA via the World Government of the UN, and that the anti-religious elites have an agenda to turn the US into a completely secular nation legally and culturally biased against Christianity. He opposes any kind of mandatory vaccinations because it would infringe on people's rights to not be vaccinated, and opposes any national curriculums or standardized tests because it will somehow violate some redneck's inalienable right to teach their kid intelligent design instead of theory of evolution. It's nuts. I wonder if he realizes the USA sits on the UN security council and can veto any serious proposal coming in from the institution, or if he can imagine the idea that universities, colleges and employers might want to be able to compare standardized test results from across the nation instead of having to work with Mr. Redneck's evaluation of his own son's performance in Redneck School.
EDIT: To the poster above, can you actually provide any examples of people being killed or at the very least harassed for displaying a bible or the star of David in Iran?
What makes ron Paul a consipiracy theorists??? dont just point out such serious asumptions provide some proof
there is no law. + check the fox video.
privacy - check the vid
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Posted - 2007.11.15 02:40:00 -
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Edited by: DarkMatter on 15/11/2007 02:40:01
Originally by: Benny Hill
Originally by: galadran
Secondly: Be more Tolerant! As a culture America is the most intolerent society in the world. Accept that its "OK" to be Athiest, g*y, black, muslim etc... People are differnt - get over it!
In the world? You need to get out more often. How about this. You pick you vacation spot. You can come to the US with a bible and a T-Shirt with the star of David on it. If you want to go to Tehran and walk around the streets with a Bible and a T-Shirt with the Star of David on it, I will pay for yoru vacation and all your expenses when you return.
You are my hero dude. That's just poetic! (minus the spelling errors of course)
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Posted - 2007.11.15 02:44:00 -
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I like Ron Paul's ideas about reducing federal govt, but his economic policies are more than questionable. He just seems interested in putting up walls that will do little in the long run (10 years + maybe less) but keep america behind the developing nations of the world (China. India, Ireland, etc.)
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Posted - 2007.11.15 15:35:00 -
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Edited by: James Snowscoran on 15/11/2007 15:36:41
Originally by: Glarion Garnier
Originally by: James Snowscoran
Edited by: James Snowscoran on 12/11/2007 01:24:23
Check it out.
Personally I think the guy is very intelligent and has some insights about the USA that you don't find in many other top politicians; at least not publically. But he's also a bit of a paranoid conspiracy theorist; he believes the international community is out to impose its collectivist-fascist laws on the powerless USA via the World Government of the UN, and that the anti-religious elites have an agenda to turn the US into a completely secular nation legally and culturally biased against Christianity. He opposes any kind of mandatory vaccinations because it would infringe on people's rights to not be vaccinated, and opposes any national curriculums or standardized tests because it will somehow violate some redneck's inalienable right to teach their kid intelligent design instead of theory of evolution. It's nuts. I wonder if he realizes the USA sits on the UN security council and can veto any serious proposal coming in from the institution, or if he can imagine the idea that universities, colleges and employers might want to be able to compare standardized test results from across the nation instead of having to work with Mr. Redneck's evaluation of his own son's performance in Redneck School.
EDIT: To the poster above, can you actually provide any examples of people being killed or at the very least harassed for displaying a bible or the star of David in Iran?
What makes ron Paul a consipiracy theorists??? dont just point out such serious asumptions provide some proof
there is no law. + check the fox video.
privacy - check the vid
Did you actually read my link, or for that matter his website, before you posted your reply? Things like "anti-religious elites have an agenda to turn the US into a completely secular nation legally and culturally biased against Christianity" is actually a direct quote from the man.
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Posted - 2007.11.15 15:44:00 -
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Originally by: Kirjava
Okay, for the record I am ignoranant of the inner workings of the Federal government - the Parlaimantary one is what I know.
Ron Paul seems to be a man who want's to decentralise the power of the USA government to a state level, seems to be more interested in the domestic welfare of the USA than on a global scale, good imho.
I am staying out of the whole abortion thing, imho it is something that happens and is here to stay. He wants to change the education system, by how much does he mean? The USA is a leader in global technologies so it comes down to changing it for the benefit of the people or the parents from what it seems.
He sounds good from what I have seen in this thread, I will come back to this after reading a bit about the man, sounds like a Mezies Cambell counterpart from what I have heard.
but when you nationalize the education system it lowers the bar in some states. *cough* teachers teaching to the no child left behind tests rather then teaching what the kids more interesting/practical/advanced things. a kid moved to new york from south carolina and ended up essentially a grade back.
i wish i could better compare differences in states education systems but i dont have data/experience to do so.
and heh im with you on staying away from the abortion topic
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Posted - 2007.11.15 15:54:00 -
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Originally by: galadran
Edited by: galadran on 11/11/2007 20:45:47
I'm not American but I'm still going to stick my oar in. Also - I live in the UK and I'm an Athiest! Which is not unusal in the UK but I've heard Christianity is dominiant over in America.
Firstly: Sort out the political system! It appears to be completly and utterly broken. If the US president has the right to veto ANY decision he/she chose's. Is it still a democracy? Surely if the Senate/Assembly have ratified it the the views of one man are irrelevent?
Secondly: Be more Tolerant! As a culture America is the most intolerent society in the world. Accept that its "OK" to be Athiest, g*y, black, muslim etc... People are differnt - get over it!
president can veto anything yes, but congress can overturn it with a 2/3 vote. unlikely that will happen though with the nice 50/50 split that seems to happen.
tolerance is such an interesting thing. location has a lot to do with it. although there are always groups for/against everywhere.
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Rialtor
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Posted - 2007.11.15 16:43:00 -
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Originally by: Audri Fisher
Originally by: Rialtor
However Paul's number 1 issue is removing all troops and abandoning all Military bases around the world is very achievable. He would be the Commander and Chief of the Armed forces, and it will be the best thing America can do in terms of funding our programs at home. There's no need to have bases all over the world, that costs money.
On that issue alone the American people should vote for him. It really is time to get the military industrial complex in check.
There is the problem of treaties though, a LOT of those bases are required by treaty. If you go back on them, then no one trust you ever again. Japan would go ape**** if we pulled all of our troops out of South Korea and Japan. Japan, under the surrender terms of WWII, has very severe limits on her armed forces. They also can't afford to have a military capable of defending themselves from anything bigger than a 3rd rate military. It is freaking expensive to maintain a blue water navy and air force. Those are a requirement to defend an island. I don't think any US WWII vet who fought in the Pacific doubt the fighting ability of the Japanese. It's a money issue, always has been, you have to be able to replace your loses.
Most Americans don't want to admit it, but we need Japan and Korea just as much as they need us. We have long passed the point where the United States can pick up it's bat and ball and go home. Our economy is way to entangled with others.
We live in a world where we don't need to have physical bases there to fulfill our duties there.
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Posted - 2007.11.15 18:23:00 -
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