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Kenion
THE LEGION OF STEEL WARRIORS.... R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2007.11.16 11:41:00 -
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Originally by: Veinnail Edited by: Veinnail on 16/11/2007 03:10:26 Was great to see smash bring thier blob down to empire to close out the war. the guys wanted to fight but ya know, <5 vs 20+ never does go well for us/anyone :)
End results K/L
164 kills / 8 losses 5,024,195,492 ISK / 316,965,324 ISK
12 / 0 Battlecruiser 16 / 0 Battleship 59 / 3 Capsule 17 / 0 Cruiser 2 / 0 Destroyer 2 / 1 Elite Battlecruiser 9 / 2 Elite Cruiser 10 / 2 Elite Frigate 1 / 0 Elite Industrial 1 / 0 Elite Mining Barge 6 / 0 Frigate 13 / 0 Industrial 8 / 0 Rookie ship 8 / 0 Shuttle
isk damages are gauged by griefwatch standards
So basicly its more like 164 kills - 8 T1 frigs - 8 rookie ships - 59 capsules.
So thats 83 kills and 5 losses then. Be realistic plz. K thx bye ----------------------------------------------
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Togotchen Renamour
Minmatar
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Posted - 2007.11.16 13:10:00 -
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Originally by: Veinnail Edited by: Veinnail on 16/11/2007 03:10:26 Was great to see smash bring thier blob down to empire to close out the war. the guys wanted to fight but ya know, <5 vs 20+ never does go well for us/anyone :)
End results K/L
164 kills / 8 losses 5,024,195,492 ISK / 316,965,324 ISK
12 / 0 Battlecruiser 16 / 0 Battleship 59 / 3 Capsule 17 / 0 Cruiser 2 / 0 Destroyer 2 / 1 Elite Battlecruiser 9 / 2 Elite Cruiser 10 / 2 Elite Frigate 1 / 0 Elite Industrial 1 / 0 Elite Mining Barge 6 / 0 Frigate 13 / 0 Industrial 8 / 0 Rookie ship 8 / 0 Shuttle
isk damages are gauged by griefwatch standards
It was entertaining....
Love ya!
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Wesley Baird
Murder-Death-Kill
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Posted - 2007.11.16 15:11:00 -
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Originally by: Kenion So basicly its more like 164 kills - 8 T1 frigs - 8 rookie ships - 59 capsules.
So thats 83 kills and 5 losses then. Be realistic plz. K thx bye
Pod kills often mean more than ship kills, so why dismiss them??? I don't know about you, but my pods tend to be worth more than my ships...so, lets be realistic...
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Xeno Metamorph
Gallente Domination.
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Posted - 2007.11.16 15:17:00 -
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Originally by: Wesley Baird
Originally by: Kenion So basicly its more like 164 kills - 8 T1 frigs - 8 rookie ships - 59 capsules.
So thats 83 kills and 5 losses then. Be realistic plz. K thx bye
Pod kills often mean more than ship kills, so why dismiss them??? I don't know about you, but my pods tend to be worth more than my ships...so, lets be realistic...
This is Smash we are on about, so.. be realistic!
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Wesley Baird
Murder-Death-Kill
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Posted - 2007.11.16 15:23:00 -
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Originally by: Xeno Metamorph
This is Smash we are on about, so.. be realistic!
Good point!
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RaV1N
Caldari The Older Gamers R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2007.11.16 16:19:00 -
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Nice sig you got there Wesley, seems your having fun playing with paint shop pro or w/e.
Oh and *insert whatever I was supposed to say about ambushes in empire and all that
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JimBob666
Minmatar Solstice Systems Development Concourse
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Posted - 2007.11.16 19:13:00 -
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Edited by: JimBob666 on 16/11/2007 19:13:36 Edited by: JimBob666 on 16/11/2007 19:13:18 Edit: typos!
Originally by: Malcanis
It seemed like you had more than 5, not less, in New Caldari.
We had 7 Ships, (others online were scouts / logged on at work)
We had 3 BS, 1 CS, 1 BC, 1 HAC and 1 AF. From what i managed to get written down, you had 1 Faction BS, 4 BS, 3 BC, 1 Hac, 1 rook and 1 falcon, 1 bomber and 1 cruiser... plus some other ships which i didnt get written down.
We seriously wanted to fight, i even got a phone call waking me up to come online (i was actually asleep before i logged on) But after running the numbers and taking into account the number of EW you had, we decided it would of been complete suicide! Had we had 2 or 3 more BS we would of definetly undocked on you!
Eitherway, it was nice to see your gang, just a shame that you came down on the last night. Would of been great to see them numbers throughout the war!
Anyway, good fun guys and see you in space :)
JIM
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Veinnail
Solstice Systems Development Concourse
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Posted - 2007.11.16 20:07:00 -
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Originally by: Kenion
So basicly its more like 164 kills - 8 T1 frigs - 8 rookie ships - 59 capsules.
So thats 83 kills and 5 losses then. Be realistic plz. K thx bye
this type of smack for posting totals is uncalled for. directly copy/pasted from killboard tbh i didnt read it
K THX BYE
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Crackzilla
The Shadow Order SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2007.11.16 20:38:00 -
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Originally by: JimBob666
We had ... numbers ... From ... written down, you had ... numbers...
We seriously wanted to fight, ... after running the numbers and taking into account the ... numbers .., we decided it would of been complete suicide! Had we had ... numbers ... we would of definetly undocked on you!
...just a shame that you came down on the last night.
Just reinforces that empire wars are boring.
During most of the "war" I was running around in an alt in low sec with a bunch of red blinkies. ENH and a few other corps/alliances gave better fights.
What you're saying is that if you're not guaranteed a win you won't engage. *yawn*. It was more amusing to mock in alliance chat those that you ganked.
Show up with too few and jump in head first, and its "we pwned you". Show up with too many and everyone docks up. Can hardly call it a war when there isn't anything to fight over.
How about we run the numbers next time and declare the winner for whoever "brings it"? Maybe assign points before a fight for battleships and capsules since they seem so valuable. "No, no, that capsule exceeds your maximum points, you'll need to have them dock up."
Might even be more exciting.
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Eventus
Spartan Industrial Manufacturing SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2007.11.16 21:31:00 -
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heya fellas i managed to get in a few gfs with you guys. my wins to losses are fairly even on your kb. (smash pvpr) you guys managed to put down my myrm that i been tryin to get killed all week. had thrown into like 10+ suicidal engagements and it still lived i was starting to get creeped out. Kudos gl and gfs. o/
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Yasumi
Solstice Systems Development Concourse
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Posted - 2007.11.16 22:35:00 -
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hey eventus, yeah was a good fight against your myrm. we would have killed the raven, too...damn hyperion ;)
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JimBob666
Minmatar Solstice Systems Development Concourse
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Posted - 2007.11.16 23:15:00 -
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Edited by: JimBob666 on 16/11/2007 23:15:46
Originally by: *****zilla
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What you're saying is that if you're not guaranteed a win you won't engage. *yawn*. It was more amusing to mock in alliance chat those that you ganked.
Show up with too few and jump in head first, and its "we pwned you". Show up with too many and everyone docks up. Can hardly call it a war when there isn't anything to fight over.
How about we run the numbers next time and declare the winner for whoever "brings it"? Maybe assign points before a fight for battleships and capsules since they seem so valuable. "No, no, that capsule exceeds your maximum points, you'll need to have them dock up."
Might even be more exciting.
I refer you to this engagement: Link
SSDC was outnumbered and you also had EW. Yet, we got 10 kills and 0 Losses.
We will fight when outnumbered, we will not fight when its stupidly outnumbered!
At the end of the day, the war was for fun, we hoped to get some decent fights. We wasnt here for cheap ganks!
Besides, had it being the otherway round, would you have undocked? Answer truthfully!
JIM
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Crackzilla
The Shadow Order SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2007.11.17 00:06:00 -
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Originally by: JimBob666
I refer you to this engagement:
SSDC was outnumbered and you also had EW. Yet, we got 10 kills and 0 Losses.
0.o, you were outnumbered? By what? A t1 cruiser and a t1 bc? So 3x gankathons + 3x command ships versus a mixed group light on the dps? At the very best I'd say that was an even fight. But you weren't close to being outgunned.
Originally by: JimBob666
... here for cheap ganks!
/me tries to figure out the ratio of real fights versus Jita/pipe hauler ganks. hmmmm.
Originally by: JimBob666
Besides, had it being the otherway round, would you have undocked? Answer truthfully!
Um, I'd thought you've flown with Smashkill before? Usually how it goes is: "Guys, we're seriously outnumbered and we're going to die with 2:1 or 3:1 odds against. Should we.." "noob!" "dooooo it!" "Argggh matey!" "Peoke is going to die first! Peoke is going to die first!" "Insurance is about to expire." etc.
Honestly, as long as I scratch someones paint or take someone down before I pop, I get the warm fuzzies.
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Peoke
Caldari Unknown Shoe Corp. SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2007.11.17 01:27:00 -
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wow we have a rocket scientist 3 blaster megas 22 blaster command ships 99% remote repping huggin and caldari command ship. vs insta popped bb 2ndary scorp. honestly with this logic and rocket science eve tv needs you to call the pvp tournaments its definatly a even fight
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Kaldragon
Gallente Solstice Systems Development Concourse
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Posted - 2007.11.17 01:50:00 -
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Originally by: Peoke wow we have a rocket scientist 3 blaster megas 22 blaster command ships 99% remote repping huggin and caldari command ship. vs insta popped bb 2ndary scorp. honestly with this logic and rocket science eve tv needs you to call the pvp tournaments its definatly a even fight
Dont do drugs kids....
kal
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Mirirar
Solstice Systems Development Concourse
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Posted - 2007.11.17 07:22:00 -
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Originally by: Peoke wow we have a rocket scientist 3 blaster megas 22 blaster command ships 99% remote repping huggin and caldari command ship. vs insta popped bb 2ndary scorp. honestly with this logic and rocket science eve tv needs you to call the pvp tournaments its definatly a even fight
Well, I've been schooled.
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Eiskalt
Solstice Systems Development Concourse
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Posted - 2007.11.20 23:43:00 -
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Originally by: *****zilla
Originally by: JimBob666
We had ... numbers ... From ... written down, you had ... numbers...
We seriously wanted to fight, ... after running the numbers and taking into account the ... numbers .., we decided it would of been complete suicide! Had we had ... numbers ... we would of definetly undocked on you!
...just a shame that you came down on the last night.
Just reinforces that empire wars are boring.
During most of the "war" I was running around in an alt in low sec with a bunch of red blinkies. ENH and a few other corps/alliances gave better fights.
What you're saying is that if you're not guaranteed a win you won't engage. *yawn*. It was more amusing to mock in alliance chat those that you ganked.
Show up with too few and jump in head first, and its "we pwned you". Show up with too many and everyone docks up. Can hardly call it a war when there isn't anything to fight over.
How about we run the numbers next time and declare the winner for whoever "brings it"? Maybe assign points before a fight for battleships and capsules since they seem so valuable. "No, no, that capsule exceeds your maximum points, you'll need to have them dock up."
Might even be more exciting.
We did not say, we only fight guaranteed wins dude... Yasumi, Alvaron and me tried to find any fair fights, but tbh it was quite difficult. Most SMASH were in pods, shuttles, stabbed frigs or cloakers... or even worse in ships with 5-8 stabs. We entered Airaken very very often... there were quite a lot of war targets, but docked of course. Even a Rokh docked against my Zealot, wtf? So you come and tell us not to dock? Hell, I undocked in New Caldari, tried to hunt a Mega. Jumped to Josa and what¦s there? 14+ Ships at the Gate, mwding back to the gate in my Zealot, jumping back, docking... OF COURSE. (even though I am still impressed, that 14 ships were too stupid to catch) Then some of your guys start smacking in local. Yeah sure I undock in a Speed Zealot with no tank to fight a bunch of BS. That would be stupid and no gf. So sorry... but if Smash decides to dock/stab/run for 1 week even when outnumbering the enemy and then comes with a blob 1 hour before the war ends... I will not undock to suicide against this blob. That¦s the difference between Wars and 0.0 blobbing. I prefer small nice engagements and not blob vs blob primary calling crap where you can¦t do anything besides dieing as soon as you are primary. No Zerg for me sir!
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Bashiri
Point-Zero SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2007.11.20 23:53:00 -
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I forgot we had a empire war going thought it was just privateer alliance but i guess you guys are important also in your own books.
P.S most of your kb is ganks tyvm
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Stoned Runner
Spartan Industrial Manufacturing SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2007.11.21 04:38:00 -
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Originally by: Bashiri I forgot we had a empire war going thought it was just privateer alliance but i guess you guys are important also in your own books.
P.S most of your kb is ganks tyvm
Do you know these guys ? Less Is More |
CrazyCoolie
Lucky Hydra Corp SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2007.11.21 05:00:00 -
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Originally by: Stoned Runner
Originally by: Bashiri I forgot we had a empire war going thought it was just privateer alliance but i guess you guys are important also in your own books.
P.S most of your kb is ganks tyvm
Do you know these guys ?
Never saw them in TDE or WNM.
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Jangizal
Caldari NYIT Gangstaz SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2007.11.21 08:54:00 -
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Originally by: CrazyCoolie
Never saw them in TDE or WNM.
Too true.
Blog. |
Zavernus Hamarabi
Caldari High4Life SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2007.11.21 09:04:00 -
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Its just empire warfare, its the nature of the beast. This sort of k/l ratio crap and general chest beating is indicative of how empire wars function. I can't remember any significant defeat we suffered (im not talking isk lost, im talking demoralizing defeats). Camping jita/new caldari for war targets is like shooting fish in a barrel. You're always going to catch a ton of ships that arent prepared or that don't have backup. You also have advanced warning of any movements on your positions due to the absurd amount of alts sprinkled all over the forge (alt targetting spam anyone?) so you're already docked up well in advance of incoming hostiles. That being said, i personally think killboard chest beating over an empire war consisting of almost solely camping jita pretty weak, and as tactically significant as a wet paper bag.
Originally by: Payne Bringer
..flip teacup... wait for kettle to right teacup...gank kettle with the help of a hard hitting tr |
Veinnail
Solstice Systems Development Concourse
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Posted - 2007.11.21 10:10:00 -
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Originally by: CrazyCoolie
Never saw them in TDE or WNM.
lol thought this thread was dead a while ago.
TDE=boring, never want to go back after spending all those days forming fleets for four+ hours only to watch peoke hand the gang over to roadkill control once we got 4 jumps away,
we never claimed we'd come to geminate again nor do we plan on it tbh. ever think that we were just in the mood to gank some of your peeps? yeah maybe :)
anyway, best wishes, let this thread die.
-vein
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xRazoRx
The xDEATHx Squadron Legion of xXDEATHXx
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Posted - 2007.11.21 10:13:00 -
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Originally by: Rutoo I hate it when people attack our industrial alliance.
Then merge already ;\
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Veinnail
Solstice Systems Development Concourse
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Posted - 2007.11.21 10:14:00 -
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Edited by: Veinnail on 21/11/2007 10:14:23
Originally by: *****zilla
Um, I'd thought you've flown with Smashkill before? Usually how it goes is: "Guys, we're seriously outnumbered and we're going to die with 2:1 or 3:1 odds against. Should we.." "noob!" "dooooo it!" "Argggh matey!" "Peoke is going to die first! Peoke is going to die first!" "Insurance is about to expire." etc.
Honestly, as long as I scratch someones paint or take someone down before I pop, I get the warm fuzzies.
you sound more like oh wait, you are a TSOR, you do not represent smash as i knew it, you represent hopping to one alliance after another, smash why let TSOR in? numbers? please why..
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Veinnail
Solstice Systems Development Concourse
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Posted - 2007.11.21 10:19:00 -
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Originally by: Zavernus Hamarabi Its just empire warfare, its the nature of the beast. This sort of k/l ratio crap and general chest beating is indicative of how empire wars function. I can't remember any significant defeat we suffered (im not talking isk lost, im talking demoralizing defeats). Camping jita/new caldari for war targets is like shooting fish in a barrel. You're always going to catch a ton of ships that arent prepared or that don't have backup. You also have advanced warning of any movements on your positions due to the absurd amount of alts sprinkled all over the forge (alt targetting spam anyone?) so you're already docked up well in advance of incoming hostiles. That being said, i personally think killboard chest beating over an empire war consisting of almost solely camping jita pretty weak, and as tactically significant as a wet paper bag.
this made sense to me, the war was for some random kills in empire and that was it :) there will be more after you and none of them really matter in the end, after all
we did it for a good time, and it was,
we did have a couple "fights" but argueably different gangs maybe dps mismatched but either way tact and intel proved in our favor, it was a nice small gang enviroment
o/
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Moloc
Antares Fleet Yards SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2007.11.21 12:05:00 -
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Originally by: CrazyCoolie Never saw them in TDE or WNM.
Why would they need to pay for a war dec for that though ?
They show up more than a jump into Geminate they get super-blobed and lose. If they do as they did and stay in empire they never ever have to fight unless they know they can win. It's the smart thing to do. Myself I can't remember the last time I lost anything due to an empire war dec. People charging in looking for a fight and dying or just being lazy have no one else to blame but themselves. We are an 0.0 alliance so I don't really understand the whole concept.
A small number of people will have to really really suck badly if they don't decimate a larger number on K:L, they get the choice when to engage, they get the benefit from learning from their deaths. If someone does learn in the larger side, there will always be someone else left who has yet to learn. It's the way it goes.
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Kenion
THE LEGION OF STEEL WARRIORS.... R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2007.11.21 12:55:00 -
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Originally by: Veinnail
Originally by: Kenion
So basicly its more like 164 kills - 8 T1 frigs - 8 rookie ships - 59 capsules.
So thats 83 kills and 5 losses then. Be realistic plz. K thx bye
this type of smack for posting totals is uncalled for. directly copy/pasted from killboard tbh i didnt read it
K THX BYE
Why is it uncalled for? I'm not responsible for the posts you make, you know. ----------------------------------------------
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Veinnail
Solstice Systems Development Concourse
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Posted - 2007.11.22 10:06:00 -
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Originally by: Kenion
Originally by: Veinnail
Originally by: Kenion
So basicly its more like 164 kills - 8 T1 frigs - 8 rookie ships - 59 capsules.
So thats 83 kills and 5 losses then. Be realistic plz. K thx bye
this type of smack for posting totals is uncalled for. directly copy/pasted from killboard tbh i didnt read it
K THX BYE
Why is it uncalled for? I'm not responsible for the posts you make, you know.
I really meant that im sick of roadkill smack smack smackin for smash. its nice you've got ally and stuff but im certain they can smack for themselvesif they want to. :)
o/
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Kenion
THE LEGION OF STEEL WARRIORS.... R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2007.11.22 10:27:00 -
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Originally by: Veinnail I really meant that im sick of roadkill smack smack smackin for smash. its nice you've got ally and stuff but im certain they can smack for themselvesif they want to. :) o/
This is starting to get silly really but anyways... I'm not smacking, this is pure numbers. If you post something you haven't read, and criticism start to apppear, than it's really no one's fault but your own (you should have read it). And yes, they can smack for themselves, I know it to well ----------------------------------------------
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