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Admiral Goatse	Posted - 2007.11.08 19:25:00 - [1] Hi Guys! One of the things I like about EVE (just started) are its huge environments, I mean one solar system can be a hundred or more AU wide, which is a lot of ground for people to try and cover when fighting/mining/doing missions/exploring in general. Right now IÆve been trying mining (I choose the mining career so IÆm not good at fighting) but IÆve been on the forums some and have an idea for you guys. Space is really big and cool, especially the massive nebulas in the background, but it still seems a bit too empty and coldàreally cold in fact (from the fan fiction and chronicles)! IÆve heard people talk about ôtactical environmentsö before and I have a suggestion that has to do with them. TACTICAL ENVIRONMENTS û COLD SPACE Well we all hear about space being cold and stuff, but none of this ever actually effects us unless we get thrown out of an airlock, right? I think that this should change...specifically, that the areas of space near stars should be warmer than the areas of space far awat from stars. Why do you ask? Well, cold water negatively affected the Titanic by making its steel armor less effective û why shuldnÆt we do the same thing for EVE? This outer space thatÆs far away from the stars should be so cold that it actually damages ships armor and hull (sorry Caldari, but there are way too many of you anyway). That way it gives people something to think about when youÆre just warping around and going from place to place. But obviously there should be some way to effect it if itÆs in the game, right? BOOSTING AMARR We all know that Amarr use lasers but they arenÆt very good because they use a lot of cap and do too much EM damage. Well theres another way that these weapons could be usedàlasers (thermal damage + radiation) could be used to warm up space and make it less hazardous. WARMING SPACE Amarrs could use their lasers to warm space! Think of it as mining except without getting ore at the end of the cycle, but making it so colder space warms up and has less of a chance to harm ships traveling through it. Even if lasers arenÆt good for PvP they can be useful, and in big battles lasers can be used to make space warmer for a friendly fleet so the enemy fleet gets damaged more by the coldness of space. They could do the same thing in empire and charge people to travel through the space theyÆve warmed in advance for travelers. LASER BOMBS Amarrs could also have special ôlaser bombsö that would have the same warming effect for all the space around them, and at the same time make lasers more effective (warmer space = more thermal damage on lasers right?). It could be used just like the bombs on stealth bombers are used now. What do you think about these ideas?
WarlockX Amarr Free Trade Corp Kinetic Maelstrom Alliance	Posted - 2007.11.08 19:31:00 - [2] lol ----------------------------------------------- "I often quote myself. It adds spice to my conversation."
Thurisaz Prizma Amarr Stronghold of Agony	Posted - 2007.11.08 19:35:00 - [3] Originally by: WarlockX lol
Stakhanov The Good Fellas	Posted - 2007.11.08 19:37:00 - [4] Originally by: Thurisaz Prizma Originally by: WarlockX lol Originally by: F'nog One does not simply log into Jita.
Ishina Fel Caldari Synergy. Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2007.11.08 19:37:00 - [5] Originally by: Stakhanov Originally by: Thurisaz Prizma Originally by: WarlockX lol Buff room for large link addresses in sigs plz :(
Tarminic Forsaken Resistance	Posted - 2007.11.08 19:40:00 - [6] The OP has some fascinating ideas. ---------------- Tarminic - 29 Million SP in pink Forum Warfare
Gone'Postal Minmatar Vengeance 8 Interceptors	Posted - 2007.11.08 19:44:00 - [7] Since your new, welcome to eve... The player base is erm.. harsh sometimes. That said your idea's are rather... lol. Please don't take the lol's as personal attacks.. there not. ---- \0/ CCP SlideShow Games \0/ "Eve" Proof that <1FPS games can still generate income.
Valrandir Gallente Slacker Industries Exuro Mortis	Posted - 2007.11.08 19:56:00 - [8] lol -------------------------------- This has surpassed the Yarrdware specification and has been dubbed Uberware - Oveur
hermot Amarr Shadow Monkeys	Posted - 2007.11.08 19:58:00 - [9] Let me get this straight, already amarr are the underdog race in eve. Needing LOTS of skills and SPs to become proficient in combat, and YOU want to demote them to being warmers of space!!! Freaking amarr - we are the space radiators... You must be some sort of caldari virus or something
sapanda1102222	Posted - 2007.11.08 20:06:00 - [10] Originally by: hermot Let me get this straight, already amarr are the underdog race in eve. Needing LOTS of skills and SPs to become proficient in combat, and YOU want to demote them to being warmers of space!!! Freaking amarr - we are the space radiators... You must be some sort of caldari virus or something This made me lol more than the OP.
martin louis	Posted - 2007.11.08 20:10:00 - [11] lol
Aki Corrino	Posted - 2007.11.08 20:13:00 - [12] Dude, your name ...
Theron Jolar Terr0r F0rce Veritas Immortalis	Posted - 2007.11.08 20:18:00 - [13] Let me be the first to tell you why this is a dumb idea. Space isnt cold, just as it isnt warm, there is simply a lack of matter and since temperature is the movement of molecules and atoms around their own axis there is no temperature. For this reason you cant warm space unless you pour an atmosphere in there first, which is impossible due to the same vacuum. Space closer to a star isnt warmer either, the only reason something gets warmer when it gets closer to the a star is radiation hitting matter and creating thermal energy. All in all this idea is interesting but based on a poor understanding of space and vacuum.
Valator Uel Caldari Pax Minor Asylum Total Comfort	Posted - 2007.11.08 20:24:00 - [14] Originally by: Theron Jolar Let me be the first to tell you why this is a dumb idea. Space isnt cold, just as it isnt warm, there is simply a lack of matter and since temperature is the movement of molecules and atoms around their own axis there is no temperature. For this reason you cant warm space unless you pour an atmosphere in there first, which is impossible due to the same vacuum. Space closer to a star isnt warmer either, the only reason something gets warmer when it gets closer to the a star is radiation hitting matter and creating thermal energy. All in all this idea is interesting but based on a poor understanding of space and vacuum. And since when is EVE realistic? -----------------------------------------------------
Hannobaal Gallente Igneus Auctorita GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.11.08 20:33:00 - [15] First of all: lol Secondly: As was already posted, you can't warm vacuum. There is nothing there to warm up in the first place.
Masheine	Posted - 2007.11.08 20:35:00 - [16] Originally by: Theron Jolar accurate view of space stuff Exactly. I was so looking forward to the "heat" stuff until I heard what it actually was. Can you imagine if the game had bee setup to treat heat realistically? Do too much work, activate too many modules, and you need to dump heat, making you much easier to lock and track. Turn everything off, and emit almost no heat, and be hard to lock and track. Heat sink modules that were actually heat sinks, and not just laser damage mods. It could have been cool. Oh, well.
Ayane Shardmoor Minmatar ShardNet	Posted - 2007.11.08 20:40:00 - [17] I... um... what? Seems to me that would be an incredibly irritating feature.
Surfin's PlunderBunny Minmatar mUfFiN fAcToRy	Posted - 2007.11.08 20:41:00 - [18] It's called a smartbomb Originally by: Liz Kali Tic Toc Tic Toc , time is ticking I owned someone on forums!!!
Terail Zoqial	Posted - 2007.11.08 20:46:00 - [19] I would like this chance to say "WTF!" and "LOLZ?" Thank you
Haradgrim Caldari The Wild Bunch INTERDICTION	Posted - 2007.11.08 21:04:00 - [20] Edited by: Haradgrim on 08/11/2007 21:05:18 Edited by: Haradgrim on 08/11/2007 21:04:56 Originally by: Theron Jolar Let me be the first to tell you why this is a dumb idea. Space isnt cold, just as it isnt warm, there is simply a lack of matter and since temperature is the movement of molecules and atoms around their own axis there is no temperature. For this reason you cant warm space unless you pour an atmosphere in there first, which is impossible due to the same vacuum. Space closer to a star isnt warmer either, the only reason something gets warmer when it gets closer to the a star is radiation hitting matter and creating thermal energy. All in all this idea is interesting but based on a poor understanding of space and vacuum. Thats not entirely accurate, while your right space cannot be warmed, it can absorb the energy from a warm object..... as such it is almost a limitless heat-sink, however, light and other similar forms of radiation are very efficient at warming in a vaccum. Edit; forgot the obligatory: LOLZ NOOBZ LOLZ ZOMG LOLZ NOOBS LOLZ! Your signature exceeds the byte me limit allowed on the forums-Darth Patches Oh Noes!
Theron Jolar Terr0r F0rce Veritas Immortalis	Posted - 2007.11.08 21:20:00 - [21] Originally by: Haradgrim Edited by: Haradgrim on 08/11/2007 21:05:18 Edited by: Haradgrim on 08/11/2007 21:04:56 Originally by: Theron Jolar Let me be the first to tell you why this is a dumb idea. Space isnt cold, just as it isnt warm, there is simply a lack of matter and since temperature is the movement of molecules and atoms around their own axis there is no temperature. For this reason you cant warm space unless you pour an atmosphere in there first, which is impossible due to the same vacuum. Space closer to a star isnt warmer either, the only reason something gets warmer when it gets closer to the a star is radiation hitting matter and creating thermal energy. All in all this idea is interesting but based on a poor understanding of space and vacuum. Thats not entirely accurate, while your right space cannot be warmed, it can absorb the energy from a warm object..... as such it is almost a limitless heat-sink, however, light and other similar forms of radiation are very efficient at warming in a vaccum. Edit; forgot the obligatory: LOLZ NOOBZ LOLZ ZOMG LOLZ NOOBS LOLZ! Space is a very very poor heatsink, thermal energy dosnt transfer well between matter and vacuum, it will certainly bleed off, but a warm object thrown into a vacuum wont freeze instantly or anywhere close to it, it will take a good deal of time for the thermal energy to bleed into the vacuum. Space dosnt absorb the energy either, the energy will radiate out from the source until the hit something else which it will in turn heat up. Also, if you read my post you will see I do already mention the fact that radiation can heat objects in space. It is irrelevant though and I dont see where in my post you see me claiming thermal energy wont bleed into space. I am going to suggest you reread my post and I am certain you will find that I never claimed anything of what you want to correct me for.
Cpt Fina Mutually Assured Distraction	Posted - 2007.11.08 21:21:00 - [22] Except for not being very realistic I think this idea is kinda cool. I would love tactical enviroments and tactical fleetformations.
Hannobaal Gallente Igneus Auctorita GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.11.08 21:26:00 - [23] Originally by: Haradgrim Thats not entirely accurate, while your right space cannot be warmed, it can absorb the energy from a warm object..... as such it is almost a limitless heat-sink, however, light and other similar forms of radiation are very efficient at warming in a vaccum. That's not really true. The only way you can lose heat in space is by it radiating away, and that's the least efficient way of losing heat. Things do not cool as easily in space as they do in an atmosphere. And in either case, space itself can't be heated, because (again) there is nothing there to heat.
Faye Valerii Caldari Exeunt Omnes	Posted - 2007.11.08 21:35:00 - [24] good thing for you you posted this on an alt : )
Splagada Minmatar Tides of Silence Hydra Alliance	Posted - 2007.11.08 21:42:00 - [25] good ol weed ------ Proud Janitor of Tides of Silence
Baleur Miners In Barges Free Trade Zone.	Posted - 2007.11.08 21:52:00 - [26] Edited by: Baleur on 08/11/2007 21:52:43 Originally by: Admiral Goatse TACTICAL ENVIRONMENTS û COLD SPACE Well we all hear about space being cold and stuff, but none of this ever actually effects us unless we get thrown out of an airlock, right? I think that this should change...specifically, that the areas of space near stars should be warmer than the areas of space far awat from stars. Why do you ask? Well, cold water negatively affected the Titanic by making its steel armor less effective û why shuldnÆt we do the same thing for EVE? This outer space thatÆs far away from the stars should be so cold that it actually damages ships armor and hull (sorry Caldari, but there are way too many of you anyway). That way it gives people something to think about when youÆre just warping around and going from place to place. But obviously there should be some way to effect it if itÆs in the game, right? We sent out the Voyager probe ages ago.. And its leaving our solar system now. Its hull isnt gonna break because its too cold lol. So why would a starship built by human decendants 3000 years more advanced be less durable than the tiny Voyager? Answer me that :) ------------------------- This post represents my entire alliance views and opinions. Not.. ;(
Splagada Minmatar Tides of Silence Hydra Alliance	Posted - 2007.11.08 21:53:00 - [27] in one of those states, a friend of mine explained me about how the purple paint on the neighbours wall were so freaking awesome. for about 2 hours. then i left him alone, and i think he kept talking for several hours after ------ Proud Janitor of Tides of Silence
LastTraitorStanding Amarr The Imperial Assassins	Posted - 2007.11.08 21:57:00 - [28] Dude.... what? -------------------------------- Semper ubi sub ubi
Naervic Gallente Brotherhood of the Shadows Momentum Alliance	Posted - 2007.11.08 21:59:00 - [29] Wow... Just wow... Thats pretty... out there. Your signature exceeds the maximum allowed filesize of 24000 bytes -Valorem ([email protected])
cal nereus Perkone	Posted - 2007.11.08 22:31:00 - [30] Your name... --- Join BH-DL Skills
Katrina Coreli The Scope	Posted - 2007.11.08 22:36:00 - [31] I congratulate you on the pure madness of your idea. This would require a complete game redesign, massive reallocation of CCPs resources and would add nadda to the game. What you baisically want to do is turn Amarr into a gimick race. Races shoudlnt be balenced by having race specfic "powers". Amarr need a boost but not only does this not make sense but it would add nothing to the game which would need a complete game redesign. ----------------- THE CAKE IS A LIE!
Dubious Drewski	Posted - 2007.11.09 01:24:00 - [32] You guys are all hilarious. Originally by: Slayton Ford a Drake is normally primaried last And that's why I love that homely boat!
Karen Serasia	Posted - 2007.11.09 01:38:00 - [33] Tarmanic got another alt did he? I think I remember him recommending that name before or something similar.
Tarminic Forsaken Resistance	Posted - 2007.11.09 01:41:00 - [34] Originally by: Karen Serasia Tarmanic got another alt did he? I think I remember him recommending that name before or something similar. I'll actually leave some kind of clue regarding my identity in any whines I write...no one has actually picked up on any of them yet though. ---------------- Tarminic - 29 Million SP in ~~pink~~ Forum Warfare
Elridon Caldari Interstellar Corporation of Exploration	Posted - 2007.11.09 01:57:00 - [35] Hmm... Is it that you give a title to each paragraph? Huge posts from new characters? Nice name for an alt though Lurk mode active
Tortun Nahme Minmatar Heimatar Services Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.11.09 01:58:00 - [36] I wouldn't say no one Tarmy Originally by: Surfin's PlunderBunny Edited by: Surfin''s PlunderBunny on 04/11/2007 21:34:44 EDIT You know what, Tortun has this one under control...* *Basks in the chaos of this thread
Chainsaw Plankton IDLE GUNS	Posted - 2007.11.09 02:20:00 - [37] if you get too close to a star you melt!
Tortun Nahme Minmatar Heimatar Services Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.11.09 02:21:00 - [38] GOD! how many times did we play that one on our nubs especially since we use the sun for most meets before a gang warp Originally by: Surfin's PlunderBunny Edited by: Surfin''s PlunderBunny on 04/11/2007 21:34:44 EDIT You know what, Tortun has this one under control...* *Basks in the chaos of this thread
Steph Wing Gallente The Graduates Brutally Clever Empire	Posted - 2007.11.09 02:28:00 - [39] Firstly: lol Secondly: Welcome to EVE. o/ Thirdly: I would suggest taking a highschool physics class of some sort. Fourthly: lol About TGRAD
Scav Silver Amarr Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2007.11.09 07:08:00 - [40] Edited by: Scav Silver on 09/11/2007 07:08:32 Children, cr@ck is not for everybody.. Stay off it.. á ----------------------------------------------------------- "Scav est procul Porta!!" -=Pimary=- "Tonight you dine in....BKG?" -=Ashemi Darkhold=-
Jaikar Isillia Blue Labs Knights Of the Southerncross	Posted - 2007.11.09 08:56:00 - [41] At first I was all like 'wtf'. Then I read his name and it all made sense :\
Chrysalis D'lilth	Posted - 2007.11.09 09:48:00 - [42] Originally by: Admiral Goatse Well, cold water negatively affected the Titanic by making its steel armor less effective The titanic was a passanger liner, not a warship, lol. But other than that, some great ideas. I think an entire game aspect is missing where we could simply warm space. Perhaps a new industrial ship, a 'space duvet' which would let you put a blanket over an area of space, keeping it warm for a later time !!!
Bein Glorious GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.11.09 20:51:00 - [43] Originally by: Splagada good ol weed evrey day
Haradgrim Caldari The Wild Bunch INTERDICTION	Posted - 2007.11.09 21:32:00 - [44] Originally by: Hannobaal Originally by: Haradgrim Thats not entirely accurate, while your right space cannot be warmed, it can absorb the energy from a warm object..... as such it is almost a limitless heat-sink, however, light and other similar forms of radiation are very efficient at warming in a vaccum. That's not really true. The only way you can lose heat in space is by it radiating away, and that's the least efficient way of losing heat. Things do not cool as easily in space as they do in an atmosphere. And in either case, space itself can't be heated, because (again) there is nothing there to heat. Of course you can't "lose heat" would sort of interfere with that whole conservation of energy business..... Space is a massive concentration gradient for matter and energy, gravity does complicate this however heat will always radiate away from a warm object until theorectically all of space is at a uniform energy level. Given that; space is the very definition of a heat-sink. Now if you read carefully you will notice that I said nothing about that process being fast or efficient, I did however say that light and other forms of similar forms of radiation can be effective at warming in a vacuum (note: I didn't say space) Your signature exceeds the byte me limit allowed on the forums-Darth Patches Oh Noes!
Christari Zuborov Amarr Ore Mongers R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.11.09 21:52:00 - [45] Edited by: Christari Zuborov on 09/11/2007 21:52:09 Is he a rear admiral?
Mr Funkadelic Tenacious Danes Ka-Tet	Posted - 2007.11.09 22:16:00 - [46] Ye i wish space was nice and warm and fuzzy - And maybe a tard more friendly? Anyways: lol
Tarminic Forsaken Resistance	Posted - 2007.11.09 22:30:00 - [47] Originally by: Christari Zuborov Edited by: Christari Zuborov on 09/11/2007 21:52:09 Is he a rear admiral? Nice. ---------------- Tarminic - 29 Million SP in ~~pink~~ Forum Warfare
Battleclash	Posted - 2007.11.09 22:42:00 - [48] Originally by: Admiral Goatse This outer space thatÆs far away from the stars should be so cold that it actually damages ships armor and hull (sorry Caldari, but there are way too many of you anyway). Am I reading this wrong or am I the only to think that this should be directed at a armor tanker like amarr instead of a shield tanker? Or would amarr just have to run around with armor reppers going non-stop while they fulfill their roll of space radiators? Originally by: Vladimir Ilych Stupidity is universal.
The RepoMan Caldari Red Horizon Inc Red Horizon	Posted - 2007.11.09 23:10:00 - [49] This is honestly the best boost amarr/amarr whine thread I've seen so far.
Tarkam Caldari Black Aces Division of Eden	Posted - 2007.11.14 01:42:00 - [50] Edited by: Tarkam on 14/11/2007 01:42:55 I Wonder how many people though this is a real thread... Heh GJ Tarminic EDIT :And still will
Xoria Krint The Movement	Posted - 2007.11.14 01:48:00 - [51] SIGNED! I WANT THIS! LASERBOOMBZ! - My Movies Hijack and die
J'ghathii Caldari 54th Knights Templar Dark Matter Coalition	Posted - 2007.11.14 02:07:00 - [52] Originally by: WarlockX lol
Flavan Gallente Phoenix Wing	Posted - 2007.11.14 02:22:00 - [53] Interstellar Warming? Is that the bandwagon that Al Gore's gunna ride to his next Nobel prize?? Flavan Ardene System Blog Quote: How soon into the game do I have to be before Caldari no longer smell like old shoes?
Admiral Pelleon Caldari White Shadow Imperium Burning Horizons	Posted - 2007.11.14 02:25:00 - [54] Originally by: Ishina Fel Originally by: Stakhanov Originally by: Thurisaz Prizma Originally by: WarlockX lol ________ "It's a good day to die!"
Boomhaur Minmatar	Posted - 2007.11.14 02:36:00 - [55] So umm you want the ammar to keep us warm in space... Oh and read the sig if you want a real reason why they should boost ammar. Definition of Minmatar, former slaves who built ships from duct tape and scraps of rusted metal, who rose up against their master's and emerged victorious. And further proof the Ammar suck.
Kiviar Caldari Vice-Presidential Action Rangers	Posted - 2007.11.14 02:49:00 - [56] Actually one of the hardest problems to deal with in space is keeping cool. With no atmosphere to absorb heat, it is imperative to keep things like solar absorption to a minimum. The space shuttle today has to keep its bay doors open to allow enough surface area to radiate enough heat so that it doesnÆt overheat. --- Forums are what?
Rens Lee	Posted - 2007.11.14 12:14:00 - [57] Originally by: Mr Funkadelic Ye i wish space was nice and warm and fuzzy - And maybe a tard more friendly? Heehee
Orion Eridanus Dark Nova Crisis	Posted - 2007.11.14 12:31:00 - [58] Originally by: Flavan Interstellar Warming? Is that the bandwagon that Al Gore's gunna ride to his next Nobel prize?? BAH you beat me to it,although i would have gone with galactic warming, or maybe universal warming. Originally by: Paulo Damarr That is a most Excellent Drake fitting, you are lucky to have survived.
Nessa Aldeen	Posted - 2007.11.14 12:57:00 - [59] So what you're really saying is that Amarr specced pilots should warm the space stations when ambulation hits and fleets (during those cold boring fleet ops) to keep everyone happy? :P The OP has a point CCP .. thanks for pointing out why I trained lasers in the first place. WHY BE COLD? Im Amarr specced. and I keep your fleet warm with my lasers. WTS Station/Space Warmer Service. 1mio isk per hour. Will accept donations to keep you warm 23/7. Will bring revelation dreadnaught for ultimate warm space anywhere in 0.0 and low sec. Send me evemail I will give u discount to first few customers. And yeah ..lol@OP.

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