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Sheriff Jones Amarr Please Enter Password	Posted - 2007.11.08 22:45:00 - [1] First, let's set it up(paraphrasing, no log): So there i am, doing my usual EVE routine, flying about, making things go pop, or in lesser extent pof, and behold, a message appears from nowhere "xxxxxxx(not naming) wants to start a conversation". Righto, press ok, conversation starts and he begins with: "Hi there." At this moment i check the info, as per usual when someone i dont' know calls on "ze phone". Less then day old. Starter corporation, obviously and no bio. Righto. "Ello" i say, in a rather nice and fuzzy way, while killing rats and making stuff happen. So, he proceeds in asking "Could you tell me what i can do in the game?" I proceed in telling him to do the tutorial, check the new citizens Q&A and that it should answer the basic questions and help him more then just me repeating stuff from 2003 and making my own assumptions/opinions. He thanks and adds "What should i do to do combat?" I tell him to train weapons(his race ofcourse), ships, frigates first, maybe cruiser after(personal opinion) and say that with that and the New Cit. Q&A, not to mention tutorial, he'll notice a week or two have flown by. He mentiones he's on a trial and that'd take about his trial time. Switch gears, tell him to go mining, do missions, lark about, try all kinds of stuff(as he can find from the Q&A), you know, the usual advice how to use a trial account to learn if and what he likes. Also tell him that if he wants to go player hunting straight up, the guns+ships route would probably take him there fast enough. He tells thanks and byes. I tell good lucks and byes. End conversation. This all took me about 10 minutes of my time, while doing my usual chores. The reason i ask this is simple. How many of you would've cut the cord at the first step? Meaning the conversation pop-up. How many have insane amounts of isk to pay for conversations? How many after noticing he's only one day old? I'm thinking i wasn't the first one he asked as he added "You don't have to help..." at the very beginning. And at the end thanked me alot for ACTUALLY answering. Just seems that more and more, people aren't that interested in helping new people, and that my friends, is the biggest nerf we should worry about. My opinions represent the opinions of my corporation completely. I'm the CEO damnit.
ElCoCo KIA Corp KIA Alliance	Posted - 2007.11.08 22:47:00 - [2] I'd help, no questions asked, until the point where he'd ask for money to buy a better ship
Maltitol Gallente Tides of Silence Hydra Alliance	Posted - 2007.11.08 22:49:00 - [3] i would defeinitely help, however me being in tech support, that frustrates the hell out of me that he obviously didnt do the tutorial and read about the game... just as bad as when a customer asks to do such and such and it states plainly how to do it in the manual, so they run out of warranty and pay $50 for me to tell them to goto page 8 in the manual.. but hey... my customers are Americans..what can i say? Originally by: CCP Wrangler Well boohoo.
brakespear Minmatar Wayward Brewing	Posted - 2007.11.08 22:52:00 - [4] Yeah, I'd help, although given my terrible memory they'd probably rather I didn't -------------------------------------------------- brakespear - the lowest common denominator
Lacranora Gallente Pagan Rites Corp	Posted - 2007.11.08 22:52:00 - [5] carefull being kind and helping others would really change the nature and what other people think of this game. Originally by: Mimiru i store my money in a pouch i've sewn into my own skin. Its the only way to be sure.
Sheriff Jones Amarr Please Enter Password	Posted - 2007.11.08 22:52:00 - [6] Edited by: Sheriff Jones on 08/11/2007 22:57:05 I think there's a problem with EVE aswell there, if someone has to ask and is happy when someone sayes "do tutorial" really should reprocess one of my characters, or take a trial, and see how the beginning goes these days. I'm just thinking, as it's no big priority to old podders, that it could use some old eyes to judge it. My opinions represent the opinions of my corporation completely. I'm the CEO damnit.
Larg Kellein Caldari Agony Unleashed Agony Empire	Posted - 2007.11.08 22:53:00 - [7] Edited by: Larg Kellein on 08/11/2007 22:54:01 If I'm not doing anything that requires my full attention, I'll help out in situations like that (also hang out in the help channel quite often in those situations). I have to admit that refusing to do the tutorial would probably have me telling him I can't help those who won't help themselves, though.
Hannobaal Gallente Igneus Auctorita GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.11.08 22:57:00 - [8] I would help with advice as best as I can (unless I'm in the middle of combat, or I have to log off for RL stuff), and I'd probably send him a few mil to get him started (provided he doesn't ask for it).
Sister Impotentata Caldari State War Academy	Posted - 2007.11.08 23:08:00 - [9] Hold up there. When I started I just had some dumb broad helping me. With blueprints. I'm Caldari. What do I know from blueprints?! So the new new guys get Sheriff Jones to help them? 'Sup with that? Nerfnerfnerf. ----- TANSTAAFL Originally by: Hostess Deconstructing the Twinkie is like trying to deconstruct the universe.
sapanda1102222	Posted - 2007.11.08 23:10:00 - [10] The GMs arent interested in dealing fairly with harassment accusations and ignore you when you prove to them that there wasn't any. Why should we help newbs? The game deserves to die if the GMs don't attempt to fix their mistakes.
QUITSHOOTINGATME	Posted - 2007.11.08 23:12:00 - [11] Edited by: QUITSHOOTINGATME on 08/11/2007 23:12:37 A good thing to do is to create a noob training corporation with an alt and then bring in as many as possible from starter systems, recruit them and answer all questions that come your way, teach them the game, and then those who really shine after awhile you can private convo them and secretly put the offer forward to move them into your real corporation, it's a good way to root out thieves and acts as an indirect service to the furthering of the eve community. When I did this I brought in 72 members in two weeks and helped convince 51 of them to subscribe, around 30 of them moved into my corp a little while later. (posting as an alt for a reason lol)
Kiviar Caldari Vice-Presidential Action Rangers	Posted - 2007.11.08 23:13:00 - [12] I'd tell him to train amarr, because their lasers and ships are purdy. --- Forums are what?
Plutonian Plutonian Shore	Posted - 2007.11.08 23:13:00 - [13] I always assist, even though the lessons sometimes balloon into a two-hour typed class on how Eve works. This game has a rather extreme learning curve. I believe it is very easy, after a year or more in game, to forget just what a challenge confronts a new player. These players don't know enough to join a corporation, and the Help channel is (let's face it) something of a madhouse. So they'll sometimes attempt to convo someone out of the blue (being unaware that some pilots frown upon unannounced convo requests). [shameless plug] In an extreme case, where I don't have time to remain at the computer, I'll send them towards the Eve University public channel... the place I generally lurk off and on to help answer questions. Very nice and patient guys there who enjoy assisting new pilots. [/shameless plug]
Imperator Jora'h	Posted - 2007.11.08 23:13:00 - [14] I always help in cases like that and will spend extensive time with them as long as their questions are reasonable (i.e. I was a noob 4 years ago, things have changed and much should be answered for them by doing the tutorial...beyond that I am glad to help). When they start begging for cash is when I end the convo.
Cailais Amarr W A R	Posted - 2007.11.08 23:17:00 - [15] Yeah Id help. Eve's pretty 'big' when you jump into it: no reason not to give someone a few pointers. C. Originally by: Jenny Spitfire Dehumanisation - griefers are cool and if you are not a griefer, you do not belong here.
Tressin Khiyne Minmatar The Tal'Shiar	Posted - 2007.11.08 23:19:00 - [16] Originally by: sapanda1102222 The GMs arent interested in dealing fairly with harassment accusations and ignore you when you prove to them that there wasn't any. Why should we help newbs? The game deserves to die if the GMs don't attempt to fix their mistakes. I bet your life really sucks. I'd invite him to join our corp, let him fly with us for a bit and explain how corps work. I get taxes, he gets lessons and fun... win-win -- There are 10 kinds of people in this world; Those who understand binary, and those who don't.
Fink Angel Caldari The Merry Men	Posted - 2007.11.08 23:19:00 - [17] I'd help in the same way you did, and have done a few times over the years. It hasn't got to the point it's ever become intrusive because it doesn't happen often enough. It's sort of the point of MMOGs to me, to be honest, otherwise they may as well play single player and just RTFM.
Lithel Shadows of the Dead Aftermath Alliance	Posted - 2007.11.08 23:27:00 - [18] Originally by: ElCoCo I'd help, no questions asked, until the point where he'd ask for money to buy a better ship lol, me too. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
Endless Horizons	Posted - 2007.11.08 23:29:00 - [19] Thanks guys! I am reading the forums alot, alot of it I dont understand, but I'm new, so that's ok! I'm writing your names down if i have any questions, if you don't mind? I should be good for now though, But thank you for this thread!
Moridin920 Gallente Capital One	Posted - 2007.11.08 23:30:00 - [20] Edited by: Moridin920 on 08/11/2007 23:30:07 I'd help. I usually consider it in my own best interest in the long run to help out as many people as I can. I wouldn't give him ISK, though. And, Endless Horizons, if you have questions don't hesitate to eve-mail me or convo me if I'm logged in. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- "We sincerely apologize for any inconvenience our piracy may have caused you, but, we are pirates and, sadly, this is our way."
Tarminic Forsaken Resistance	Posted - 2007.11.08 23:30:00 - [21] Originally by: Lithel Originally by: ElCoCo I'd help, no questions asked, until the point where he'd ask for money to buy a better ship lol, me too. Same, and even then I'd think about it if it was a cheap ship. ---------------- Tarminic - 29 Million SP in pink Forum Warfare
Imperator Jora'h	Posted - 2007.11.08 23:38:00 - [22] Originally by: Endless Horizons Thanks guys! I am reading the forums alot, alot of it I dont understand, but I'm new, so that's ok! I'm writing your names down if i have any questions, if you don't mind? I should be good for now though, But thank you for this thread! Doubtless anyone in this thread will be happy to answer questions. That said also try the EVE New Citizens Q&A in this forum as well as the Help channel in-game. Not saying don't ask people here...by all means do. Just pointing you to some other options you have as well. In-game help channel it great for quickly answered questions (i.e. do not need extensive explanation). Forums are better for more complex topics.
Alrione Amarr Black Lagoon Inc.	Posted - 2007.11.08 23:40:00 - [23] Originally by: ElCoCo I'd help, no questions asked, until the point where he'd ask for money to buy a better ship This. -------------------------------- :-O Sig got nerfed. Remaking >.<
Sister Impotentata Caldari State War Academy	Posted - 2007.11.08 23:46:00 - [24] This thread is rapidly becoming fail. Are there really that many nice people in EVE? FFS I might as well go back to WoW. Stuff forthcoming. ^^ ----- TANSTAAFL Originally by: Hostess Deconstructing the Twinkie is like trying to deconstruct the universe.
Imperator Jora'h	Posted - 2007.11.08 23:50:00 - [25] Originally by: Sister Impotentata This thread is rapidly becoming fail. Are there really that many nice people in EVE? FFS I might as well go back to WoW. Stuff forthcoming. Yep...it's sad EVE has become as unfriendly as it has. I was grinding some L4 missions for standing purposes and couldn't be arsed to loot/salvage them. I offered the mission spot in local to anyone who wanted it to loot and was told to "feck off", "bet you'd like that you ganker nub" and a few other choice retorts. Can't blame them given how things stand but was sad to see.
Theo Samaritan Gallente Pheonix Reborn	Posted - 2007.11.08 23:56:00 - [26] By my way of play, I'd help the guy quite a bit. Probably give him a couple mill to help start out as well - oh and direct himto eve uni chat. If im really bored ill take him on a level 3 mission - i'll tank ofc Its not exactly slowing down my playing, its what I do after all. ______________________________
BigDave Exanimo Inc Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.11.09 00:03:00 - [27] Fly to a belt. Invite him to gang. Tell him to warp to me for some jetcan mining. Pod him. Laugh hysterically for 20 seconds then move on. Nah, one of two options: If I had the time, I'd probably hop in a rifter, buy him whatever frig and fit he could fly and take him hunting 'til we both lose our ships (just to prove it doesn't hurt a bit). Then send him on his way with enough to buy another frig for future fun. Too bad I've rarely have that kind of time this year. Otherwise, point him to someone who I figure would give him a few tips. ----- Dang, signatures keep getting smaller and smaller, unless you count the bits where ISD colors outside the lines...
Tarminic Forsaken Resistance	Posted - 2007.11.09 00:21:00 - [28] Originally by: BigDave Fly to a belt. Invite him to gang. Tell him to warp to me for some jetcan mining. Pod him. Laugh hysterically for 20 seconds then move on. Then the n00b would laugh hysterically as you received a swift CONCORDOKKEN to the pants for attacking a gang mate outside your own corp. ---------------- Tarminic - 29 Million SP in pink Forum Warfare
Imperator Jora'h	Posted - 2007.11.09 00:27:00 - [29] Originally by: Tarminic Originally by: BigDave Fly to a belt. Invite him to gang. Tell him to warp to me for some jetcan mining. Pod him. Laugh hysterically for 20 seconds then move on. Then the n00b would laugh hysterically as you received a swift CONCORDOKKEN to the pants for attacking a gang mate outside your own corp. Nah...this is a notorious scam these days although a newb would be unaware. Have him in your gang, invite someone into your gang who is at war with someone else (all your ALTs or mates of course) and he becomes fair game. Lame but some players have made a career out of this.
Janu Hull Caldari Order of Z Industries	Posted - 2007.11.09 00:29:00 - [30] I'd help. Heck, I was just chatting up a newer player who was just finding their foothold in 0.0 the other night. Basic questions, some info on what to expect from spawns, and other stuff like that. Nothing major. Ratting in a Raven is a pretty automated process, and as long as I'm relatively certain I'm not about to get boned by a roving ganksquad, I'll offer up help.
Paulo Damarr	Posted - 2007.11.09 01:22:00 - [31] Its not all that long ago I was a total noob so I always try to help with advice or if they are stuck with a mission I will jump in a cheap ship and help out if I'm not in the middle of doing something. Originally by: MOTOK0 A bit like the second coming of jesus only with screaming and tears and whine threads.
Yon89	Posted - 2007.11.09 02:21:00 - [32] i love helping out new players. but it can get a bit frustrating sometimes as the terminology is a bit much like they get confused between power grid and cap. but most the time it is just get a ship and go have fun. ========================
Leora Nomen	Posted - 2007.11.09 02:51:00 - [33] I'd talk for a few minutes. Then refer him to the forums if he's got any more questions. A lot of new players don't know that they can get all kinds of information if only they visit the forum and utilize its search function. guide to game time codes
SoftRevolution	Posted - 2007.11.09 03:45:00 - [34] But the search function is horrible. Point em at eve-search. I tend to help out as much as I can with questions I can answer (i.e. I'm still new myself so giving the wrong answers is probably worse than giving no answers). I'll even chuck a bit of ISK at people who don't ask for it and are asking smart questions (it's not an investment otherwise). I will also forward useful URLs and such. It's not that bad for new players. Depending on the noob corp you've joined (some seem wildly better than others for this) you've probably got a fair supply of older players on hand to answer questions ranging from the basic to the very technical. I've seen three noob corps so far and the War Academies seem to be the best for this. People are really fairly helpful. OFC all that said I'd have probably quit in about a week if I hadn't had cash from a friend for learning skills. That's probably one of the most obnoxious facets of the new player game. The other big issue is the lack of clear progression for new players. It's like... make character, possibly work out how to do tut and then what? Seems like an inherent weakness of sand-box design.
Helen Hunts Gallente Red Dragon Mining inc	Posted - 2007.11.09 03:58:00 - [35] I've worked to train up a few newbs in my time. I don't just teach how to fight/mine/survive, but how to look things up and learn the game constantly. Some of the newbs....never signed up for a full account, sadly. (some showed real promise) For those that do step up to the challenges, I try not to let my new corpies falter too badly while still learning. Why do I train newbs? Self-Interest. If my new little corpies decide to go smack-talk a few Goons while taking a few pot-shots at Veto/Repo/BoB/whatever ....that's gonna cost me more than just a little time and work. As for providing money/materials....I'll cheerfully outfit my corpies, so long as they're willing to learn and occasionally help out corp activities. If a total noob wants to ask "How I mine fish"-type questions repeatedly and asks for money....well, let's just say that I'll find some way to pass him a few rounds of ammo without getting blasted myself. _______________________________ Mine da rocks, make more ships. Pop da rats, make more rigs. Sell da gear, make more money. Any Questions?
Val Vympel	Posted - 2007.11.09 04:11:00 - [36] I NEVER give a new player the cold shoulder,when I'm solicited for advice. I also have a fun tradition that I carry out every day,once per day at the time that I log out. I pick a random new player(I study them for a few min to see if they are really new)and stuff their wallet with 100k of ISK I get a THX you e-mail in a 1 in 10 ratio. I have done this in every MMO I have played for the last 5 years....Good fun Cheers
Rooker Lysian Enterprises	Posted - 2007.11.09 10:25:00 - [37] He probably saw your name "Sheriff Jones" and figured you were some sort of game master or something. I haven't done the tutorial in over a year so I don't know how it's changed, but back then at least it was very helpful and it helped me make just enough isk to buy something other than the godawful noobship. Though it did take me half an hour to figure out how to undock the first time I try to help newbies if they sound lost and I'm not just passing through. When someone starts asking noob questions and it's very clear they didn't do the tutorial, I tell them to stfu and go do it (but nicer than that). One guy (less than a day old) nearly stole something out of a rat wreck one day, then warped off. Then he convos me and is scared to death because of the "you are about to steal yada yada" warning. He thought I was going to hunt him down and vaporize him or something. Spent the next hour explaining stuff and ended up sending him ISK for a Tristan because he'd spent all of his buying a Navitas to go kill "pirates" (rats). -- Let Us Avoid Systems Via Autopilot
Cygnus Zhada Amarr The Wild Hunt	Posted - 2007.11.09 11:03:00 - [38] It depends on how I'm approached and if that character's name is 'stupid' or not, but yeah I'd help. From time to time I make a 14 day trial account, make a char and answer questions in rookie channel, helps me wind down and chill out heh. Welcome to EVE Online: Press 1 for Caldari, PVE Online Press 2 for Minmatar, PVP Online Press 3 for Gallente, PWN Online Press 4 for Amarr, Lulz Online
Karen Serasia	Posted - 2007.11.09 11:10:00 - [39] Edited by: Karen Serasia on 09/11/2007 11:10:09 Since I've making a new account I get asked for help less (since I'm still at trial age) but I tend to sit around in EvE uni public channel and have my CSPA set at 0 isk for the point of helping if anyone asks me. They must have done the tutorial first however and not ask for money, those are my only conditions as I prefer to only help people that have tried to help themselves in the first place.
Morrow Disca Macrocosm Advanced Industries	Posted - 2007.11.09 11:40:00 - [40] I always help out noobies, you never know when one might turn out to be an asset to you in the future. We all started out asking dumb questions, mostly to strangers, due to the awesome ****up that is rookie chat. Sometime thou you get one who just isn't listening to what you say. Like the noobie i watched get pwned by an ore thief last night, despite my specific warning not to take his stuff back from the can that had been dropped. I guess nothing teaches a lesson better than a practical demonstration.
Banana Torres The Green Banana Corporation	Posted - 2007.11.09 12:05:00 - [41] I used to help people a lot more than I do now. One time I bought a hauler for a newbie that expressed an interest in being a trader. Now I can't get rid of her, I call her my Logistics Director now. Then I was in Duriblepants and there was a newbie not understanding the game, so I took him under my wing and we did some missions together. He was a role player and I learned a lot about role play so it benefitted me too. I still have an alt in a starter corp and will use her to organise mining ops. It opens the new players eyes to how far they have to travel in Eve when they see how effective a high level character is. But the rise of the idiots has made me much more likely to ignore a convo. Recently some idiot asked if I could power level them!
Shanur Minmatar Republic Military School	Posted - 2007.11.09 12:34:00 - [42] I might cut him lose after the "reading about the game takes up my entire trial i dont want to do that" reply (doesn't sound like the kind of person who would be committed enough to stay around after his free game was up), but other than that i would help with any advice i could provide (but clearly draw the line at advice only. I never just give ISK or stuff to people i don't know a thing about).
Sheriff Jones Amarr Please Enter Password	Posted - 2007.11.09 12:40:00 - [43] Originally by: Shanur I might cut him lose after the "reading about the game takes up my entire trial i dont want to do that" reply (doesn't sound like the kind of person who would be committed enough to stay around after his free game was up), but other than that i would help with any advice i could provide (but clearly draw the line at advice only. I never just give ISK or stuff to people i don't know a thing about). Rather a misquote there, as he said that it would take up the time of his trial(to play, train those, etc etc). He wasn't saying "I dun wanna read it takes time." My opinions represent the opinions of my corporation completely. I'm the CEO damnit.
Jowen Datloran Caldari Science and Trade Institute	Posted - 2007.11.09 12:52:00 - [44] Edited by: Jowen Datloran on 09/11/2007 12:53:06 I help rookies all the time, and I like it, hence my corp and my long time in it. I don't give isk away for free. I do give isk away for very little though. ---------------- Mr. Science & Trade Institute
Asestorian Domination.	Posted - 2007.11.09 13:01:00 - [45] It would really depend on my mood and what I was doing at the time. I like to help new players (but not with ISK. I'm really stingy with that) but if I'm rushing as fast as I can back to 0.0 space to kill something then I don't really have time to sit and explain stuff to someone. That's probably why I tend to just use the forums to help people instead, because then I have time. --- MOZO
Meltra Bour Eldric Genolution	Posted - 2007.11.09 13:14:00 - [46] I tend to help them out, invite them to the eve-uni channel and tell them to ask stuff there or point them to other resources. till they start asking for isk ... at that point I invite them to join on a lvl4 mission in low-sec, only to pod them and give them the last word of advice that begging and having trust in strangers is not the way forworth in eve.
NightCrawler 85 Phoibe Enterprises The Fifth Race	Posted - 2007.11.09 15:17:00 - [47] Edited by: NightCrawler 85 on 09/11/2007 15:19:31 Edited by: NightCrawler 85 on 09/11/2007 15:18:52 i often get convos like this and i tend to do my best to help...i love actually beeing able to do something for someone often given them (if tehya re really really new) enough isk to buy a frig/fitting/insurance if i like their attitude,and tell them to contact me again if they ever need more help. its just when i get people that end up contacting em twice a week asking for fitting/ammo/ships that i tend to politely explain them that im not ritch enough to donate everything they need in the game (only had a coupple that have expected that to happen) simple words..no CSPA,and love giving advise even if i still feel like a noob my self edit:i cant learn people how to spell,thats for sure
Kraven Kor Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2007.11.09 15:25:00 - [48] It all depends: First, on whether I'm busy or not. If I'm doing a L4 or in PVP or trying to do anything that requires active participation, I may apologize and say I'm too busy but offer to talk to them later. Secondly, if they are impolite or obviously developmentally challenged, I may tire of the convo quickly and beg an exit. And finally, if they ask for money, then I'd be kinda put off. It is one thing to ask for money in n00b corp chat or in help channels, but it is another to go around convo'ing people for a private begging session :) Beyond that, I don't mind (and frequently am) helping newer players our or just generally answering the questions I know the answers to. ----- You're not what you are, you're just what you do! So it ends with their butts and it starts with your shoe! - Awesome Car Fun Maker

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