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bundy bear
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Posted - 2007.11.09 05:00:00 -
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The zealot and the munin are the only 2 ships to have 4 weapon bonuses to the same weapon AFAIK. The zealot has 4 bonuses that apply directly to lasers so its a very specialised ship. It can fire lasers and nothing else.
So you would expect this ship to be prety damn good at using lasers. Using 3 dmg mods and heavy pulse II with high dmg tech II ammo the zealot is able to turn out 465dps.
Using 3 dmg mods and fitting for maximum damage here is a list of all the HAC's from most damage to least damage. (I know these setups arent always practical we are just calculating damage)
Deimos - 794dps
ishtar - 737dps
munin - 696 dps
vagabond - 658dps
sacriledge - 575dps
cerbersus - 516dps
eagle 481 - dps
zealot 465 - dps
So with 4 bonuses dedicated to lasers it is the weakest HAC in terms of max damage output. Not only this but it is also the most limited in damage type, consumes the most cap and most vunerable to EWAR.
The omen which is the zealots tech 1 varient has 2 bonuses to lasers. Using 3 dmg mods it achives 469dps which is more than the zealot.
The zealot is also the only HAC that is outdamaged by its races recon cruiser. The curse fitted with misisles can do 521 dps which is 56 more than the zealot.
The zealot also only manages to 13.4% more dps than the gallente destroyer with 3 dmg mods.
I know most of these setups are not practical but the figures realy do show the zealot is realy lacking in the dps department for a ship designed to do nothing but dmg.
Also I think the eagle is in prety bad state aswell so please dont try to use it to justify the crappness of the zealot.
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Khan Durian
Amarr
Paxton Industries
Paxton Federation
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Posted - 2007.11.09 05:03:00 -
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if those numbers are accurate, my skills suck incredibly
 Originally by: Graalum
also its called a damage control. Not a suitcase.
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Iota Belisarius
Ion Corp.
Hydra Alliance
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Posted - 2007.11.09 05:05:00 -
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2nd AND 3rd worst HAC dps...w00t for caldari...
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bundy bear
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Posted - 2007.11.09 05:06:00 -
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Originally by: Khan Durian
if those numbers are accurate, my skills suck incredibly
Prety much everything was calculated on EFT with all skills maxed.
Most setups arent that practical like an ishtar wiht blasters fitted. But the ishtar outdamages the zealot with no guns fitted anyway .
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hellsknights
Hells Angels Inc.
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Posted - 2007.11.09 05:10:00 -
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You do realise you can get more DPS without every skill at 5 and
adding some implants.
I can get my Deimos to about 820dps without faction/officer mods.
"im at work so my numbers could be a bit off"
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Relnala
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Posted - 2007.11.09 05:28:00 -
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Originally by: hellsknights
You do realise you can get more DPS without every skill at 5 and
adding some implants.
I can get my Deimos to about 820dps without faction/officer mods.
"im at work so my numbers could be a bit off"
Yeah cause comparing ships with entirely impractical setups is logical. You're using what... neutron blasters and 3 damage mods...?
@OP: I agree the Zealot needs some love. I think its getting a drone bay in Rev 3 though. (That could be rumor though)
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Ruah Piskonit
Amarr
PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2007.11.09 06:11:00 -
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get off EFT and get in game.
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Wideen
Eon Project
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Posted - 2007.11.09 06:11:00 -
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So tell me, how does it tank with its 7 low slots?
nice tank I'll take it
Originally by: F'nog
Your math intrigues me, and I wish to subscribe to its newsletter.
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bundy bear
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Posted - 2007.11.09 06:34:00 -
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Originally by: Wideen
So tell me, how does it tank with its 7 low slots?
nice tank I'll take it
With 3 heatsinks you have a 4 slot tank. Without the heatsinks you do 281DPS.
Deimos and munin can drop all their dmg mods and leave 5/6 slots respectively for low slot tanking and still beat the zealots DPS. With more flexibility in dmg types.
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Zendoc
Sebiestor tribe
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Posted - 2007.11.09 06:36:00 -
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Vagabond also can't really do that amount of damage effectively, it has no tank other than speed, so it has to stay outside of web range. Even with its falloff bonus, there is no way a vagabond is putting out 658dps from outside 13km. Those figures just aren't accurrate to how the ships actually work.
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bundy bear
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Posted - 2007.11.09 06:37:00 -
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Originally by: Relnala
Originally by: hellsknights
You do realise you can get more DPS without every skill at 5 and
adding some implants.
I can get my Deimos to about 820dps without faction/officer mods.
"im at work so my numbers could be a bit off"
Yeah cause comparing ships with entirely impractical setups is logical. You're using what... neutron blasters and 3 damage mods...?
@OP: I agree the Zealot needs some love. I think its getting a drone bay in Rev 3 though. (That could be rumor though)
munin, deimos and ishtar can drop all their dmg mods and still outdamage zealot with 3. I pointed out that it was only to show how bad a damage orientated HAC is against other HACs fitted for dmg.
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Naviset
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Posted - 2007.11.09 06:37:00 -
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Originally by: Wideen
So tell me, how does it tank with its 7 low slots?
nice tank I'll take it
It can field a very nice tank... with 250 dps. And you either cant bring an injector, an MWD, or a scram even then cause it doesn't have enough cpu.
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hellsknights
Hells Angels Inc.
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Posted - 2007.11.09 06:39:00 -
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Originally by: Relnala
Originally by: hellsknights
You do realise you can get more DPS without every skill at 5 and
adding some implants.
I can get my Deimos to about 820dps without faction/officer mods.
"im at work so my numbers could be a bit off"
Yeah cause comparing ships with entirely impractical setups is logical. You're using what... neutron blasters and 3 damage mods...?
@OP: I agree the Zealot needs some love. I think its getting a drone bay in Rev 3 though. (That could be rumor though)
Do you even fly the Deimos? you do realise that the ship is a gank ship and
not a tanking one. My setup does have a MAR, talking logical builds and sp/stats, do you
know anyone who has everyhting at lvl 5 ????? Don't think so.
As for my comment i just said that with implants the DPS is greater then with
all LVL 5.
BTW, i can get over 800 DPS without usind neutrons if i remember corectly, anyhow the setup works
perfectly for gank.
You either Nano fit the Deimos or you gank fit it, those are my only
two options for that ship.
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bundy bear
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Posted - 2007.11.09 06:39:00 -
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Originally by: Ruah Piskonit
get off EFT and get in game.
WTF is this meant to mean?, I flown every HAC in game and know the zealot is below par. I used quickfit to generate numbers to backup my claim.
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bundy bear
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Posted - 2007.11.09 06:42:00 -
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Originally by: hellsknights
Originally by: Relnala
Originally by: hellsknights
You do realise you can get more DPS without every skill at 5 and
adding some implants.
I can get my Deimos to about 820dps without faction/officer mods.
"im at work so my numbers could be a bit off"
Yeah cause comparing ships with entirely impractical setups is logical. You're using what... neutron blasters and 3 damage mods...?
@OP: I agree the Zealot needs some love. I think its getting a drone bay in Rev 3 though. (That could be rumor though)
Do you even fly the Deimos? you do realise that the ship is a gank ship and
not a tanking one. My setup does have a MAR, talking logical builds and sp/stats, do you
know anyone who has everyhting at lvl 5 ????? Don't think so.
As for my comment i just said that with implants the DPS is greater then with
all LVL 5.
BTW, i can get over 800 DPS without usind neutrons if i remember corectly, anyhow the setup works
perfectly for gank.
You either Nano fit the Deimos or you gank fit it, those are my only
two options for that ship.
I got all BS skills including large pulse and large beam spec at lvl 5 for amarr. I skipped maxing HAC skills though for obvious reasons.
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hellsknights
Hells Angels Inc.
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Posted - 2007.11.09 06:43:00 -
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Originally by: bundy bear
Originally by: Ruah Piskonit
get off EFT and get in game.
WTF is this meant to mean?, I flown every HAC in game and know the zealot is below par. I used quickfit to generate numbers to backup my claim.
Bundy don't bother with the newbs posting only to be *****s.
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Zendoc
Sebiestor tribe
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Posted - 2007.11.09 06:45:00 -
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I think amarr in general just need some love.
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Damneia Achernius
Northen Breeze
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Posted - 2007.11.09 07:02:00 -
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my pvp fit on zealot:
4x heavy pulse t2, small best named neut
med inj, web, warp disrutor
mar t2, ean t2, thermic energized t2, 800mm plate, best named DCU (damn cpu :P), 2x heat sinks
2x trimark rigs
i have about 7,1k armor. i know it doesnt have a mwd or ab
if i look at EFT dps... its around 380 whit my skills... but i dont really count that. what matters is what it does ingame :)
done some crazy stuff whit this ship :D... even killed a nano ishtar once (tho on test server :/) and a vaga.
only issue i have whit this ship is that it needs MORE CPU :P
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Bellum Eternus
Gallente
Death of Virtue
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Posted - 2007.11.09 07:20:00 -
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Originally by: Ruah Piskonit
get off EFT and get in game.
No joke. These guys have got to stop installing EFT.
Bellum Eternus
[Vid] L E G E N D A R Y
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mama guru
Gallente
Corp 1 Allstars
Insurgency
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Posted - 2007.11.09 08:53:00 -
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Originally by: Damneia Achernius
my pvp fit on zealot:
4x heavy pulse t2, small best named neut
med inj, web, warp disrutor
mar t2, ean t2, thermic energized t2, 800mm plate, best named DCU (damn cpu :P), 2x heat sinks
2x trimark rigs
i have about 7,1k armor. i know it doesnt have a mwd or ab
if i look at EFT dps... its around 380 whit my skills... but i dont really count that. what matters is what it does ingame :)
done some crazy stuff whit this ship :D... even killed a nano ishtar once (tho on test server :/) and a vaga.
only issue i have whit this ship is that it needs MORE CPU :P
Stop posting crap like this. First of all your setup is completely stupid. Secondly, you dont kill a Vagabond or a nano Ishtar in a Zealot. Period.
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mama guru
Gallente
Corp 1 Allstars
Insurgency
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Posted - 2007.11.09 08:54:00 -
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Originally by: Bellum Eternus
Originally by: Ruah Piskonit
get off EFT and get in game.
No joke. These guys have got to stop installing EFT.
The Zealot is bad, ok. Its a fun ship to fly but the only way to justify its current crappy preformance would be to cut it's costs by about 50%
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Damneia Achernius
Northen Breeze
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Posted - 2007.11.09 09:08:00 -
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Originally by: mama guru
Originally by: Damneia Achernius
my pvp fit on zealot:
4x heavy pulse t2, small best named neut
med inj, web, warp disrutor
mar t2, ean t2, thermic energized t2, 800mm plate, best named DCU (damn cpu :P), 2x heat sinks
2x trimark rigs
i have about 7,1k armor. i know it doesnt have a mwd or ab
if i look at EFT dps... its around 380 whit my skills... but i dont really count that. what matters is what it does ingame :)
done some crazy stuff whit this ship :D... even killed a nano ishtar once (tho on test server :/) and a vaga.
only issue i have whit this ship is that it needs MORE CPU :P
Stop posting crap like this. First of all your setup is completely stupid. Secondly, you dont kill a Vagabond or a nano Ishtar in a Zealot. Period.
have u tryd ? u know there are stupid ppl out there....
my setup works for me... if u dont like it.. dont use it.. but dont flame me for it
not everyone wants to use cookiecutter setups all the time
i have different setups that i could use... but atm i like this one.
ishtar kill and vaga kill where on test server.. i wouldnt even engage them on TQ.
i had HG slaves and all the uber hardwires when i did it.
on TQ i run in small gangs mostly
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Riho
Magnificent Beavers
Exquisite Malevolence
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Posted - 2007.11.09 09:12:00 -
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Originally by: mama guru
Originally by: Damneia Achernius
my pvp fit on zealot:
4x heavy pulse t2, small best named neut
med inj, web, warp disrutor
mar t2, ean t2, thermic energized t2, 800mm plate, best named DCU (damn cpu :P), 2x heat sinks
2x trimark rigs
i have about 7,1k armor. i know it doesnt have a mwd or ab
if i look at EFT dps... its around 380 whit my skills... but i dont really count that. what matters is what it does ingame :)
done some crazy stuff whit this ship :D... even killed a nano ishtar once (tho on test server :/) and a vaga.
only issue i have whit this ship is that it needs MORE CPU :P
Stop posting crap like this. First of all your setup is completely stupid. Secondly, you dont kill a Vagabond or a nano Ishtar in a Zealot. Period.
soo.. what would be ur uber fit MR. i just flame ppl and dont post anything interesting
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Grytok
KL0NKRIEGER
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Posted - 2007.11.09 10:07:00 -
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Heavy T2 Pulses can track down Vagas, if they're @ 15-20km not using their MWD 
Only thing with it is, as soon as the Vaga-pilot realize that he get's in trouble, he'll just run away, leaving you without a nice killmail. But thats not the point.
Point is, that having a damn good tank still does'nt make it up par with the other HACs, such as a Deimos.
And yes, you can fit 5x Heavy Neutron II + a Standard 4-Slot tank on a Deimos, dishing out 600-650 DPS with Void and Hammerhead II's.
I'd say, give the Zealot a 50m¦ DroneBay like the Deimos, and we're fine 
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Ione Hunt
0utbreak
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Posted - 2007.11.09 10:09:00 -
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Originally by: Ruah Piskonit
get off EFT and get in game.
^^^ This.
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Rodj Blake
Amarr
PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2007.11.09 10:33:00 -
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I'd be interested to see a similar table but listing the amount of damage that each of the HACs can tank, and maybe their effective range as well.
There's more to a good ship than a high damage output.
Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
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DeadDuck
Amarr
Amarr Border Defense Consortium
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2007.11.09 10:34:00 -
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Originally by: Wideen
So tell me, how does it tank with its 7 low slots?
nice tank I'll take it
2 MAR + 1 EANM II + 1 TERMAL MEMBRANE II + 3 HSII ... 
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Gamesguy
Amarr
D00M.
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.11.09 10:42:00 -
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Originally by: Damneia Achernius
my pvp fit on zealot:
4x heavy pulse t2, small best named neut
med inj, web, warp disrutor
mar t2, ean t2, thermic energized t2, 800mm plate, best named DCU (damn cpu :P), 2x heat sinks
2x trimark rigs
i have about 7,1k armor. i know it doesnt have a mwd or ab
if i look at EFT dps... its around 380 whit my skills... but i dont really count that. what matters is what it does ingame :)
done some crazy stuff whit this ship :D... even killed a nano ishtar once (tho on test server :/) and a vaga.
only issue i have whit this ship is that it needs MORE CPU :P
No mwd.
Have fun dying at the first gatecamp you run into.
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Kerdrak
3B Legio IX
Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2007.11.09 10:58:00 -
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Zealot is in line with other amarr ships with a hi-slot wasted.
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Eben Rochelle
Gallente
Free Mercenaries Union
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Posted - 2007.11.09 11:04:00 -
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While i would say get of EFT and get in game, i think we can all agree that the zealot needs a boost, Even the eagle has a role.
(im a gal/minnie pilot)
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