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Valron Xizor The Xizor Cartel	Posted - 2007.11.12 09:40:00 - [1] A: When he points his hulk at a few roids and goes afk till the hold is full, docks, empties hold, rinse, repeat. With a 3 Cargo Expander 2's and a couple of cargo expansion rigs the hulk can hold just over 17K m3. That makes it a decent ship to semi AFK mine in especially since you dont need a hauler. This isnt breaking rules or in any way an exploit. I've been called a macro miner 3 times last night and two the day before because I'm mining and havent responded to a local 'hail' and it's very annoying. So why tell you about it? Education to those who like to run their mouths off at legitimate miners. Just think twice about brandishing someone a macro miner simply becuase they're AFK and dont respond in local. Ok sure if they're in a noob corp and called something like fhehwhef then perhaps your suspicion may be justified, but even then you should be careful not to tarnish someone with the wrong brush. kthnxbye!
Poena Loveless	Posted - 2007.11.12 09:45:00 - [2] ---well--- I personally put afk miners just above real macro miners. I may not suicide 'em, but I do like knocking them off the roids. Its just plan fun and it kinda irks me when I people printing isk for simply being logged in. PLAY the game, and before you say it, what you do isn't playing the game and its your own fault. (I don't remember reading about afk mining in the tutorial)
Valron Xizor The Xizor Cartel	Posted - 2007.11.12 09:58:00 - [3] Edited by: Valron Xizor on 12/11/2007 10:00:58 Edited by: Valron Xizor on 12/11/2007 09:58:45 Originally by: Poena Loveless ---well--- I personally put afk miners just above real macro miners. I may not suicide 'em, but I do like knocking them off the roids. Its just plan fun and it kinda irks me when I people printing isk for simply being logged in. PLAY the game, and before you say it, what you do isn't playing the game and its your own fault. (I don't remember reading about afk mining in the tutorial) Play the game? What? Sit and stare at the screen (doing absolutely nothing) for 20 minutes each time while my hulk chews on a roid? It's not good enough that I manually fly the ship back to the station, unload, fly back to the belt, set up my lasers and go for it all again you want me to sit and watch the mind numbing process? Sorry Love, I've better things to do with my time, like clean the house, wash the car, paint the fence, cut the grass. As I said it's not illegal, does not break any rules and is perfectly normal. Becuase it's not illegal I'm not really concerned what you personally think about AFK mining as this wasnt the topic. This post is about people accusing people of macroing, something I despise. You've cleary not spent hours mining in a hulk. Try it, then come back and tell me to play the game
Strife Phoenix Acerbus Vindictum Nex Super Vos	Posted - 2007.11.12 10:09:00 - [4] It's his money let him afk if he wants. Macro/afk/actively managing roids doesn't really matter when the suicide commando ganksquad arrives. They might engage you simply because they can.. Acerbus-Vindictum - Revelare Pecunia!
Curzon Dax Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2007.11.12 10:10:00 - [5] Edited by: Curzon Dax on 12/11/2007 10:10:30 Originally by: Poena Loveless ---well--- I personally put afk miners just above real macro miners. I may not suicide 'em, but I do like knocking them off the roids. Its just plan fun and it kinda irks me when I people printing isk for simply being logged in. PLAY the game, and before you say it, what you do isn't playing the game and its your own fault. (I don't remember reading about afk mining in the tutorial) Heya nubbins. Asteroids aren't ISK. Killing rats is ISK, selling stuff to other players is ISK. The only ISK printing machines in Eve are T2 BPOs and freighters jump-bridging via Titans for trade routes. Those asteroids have to be mined, reprocess, and sold to people who want the minerals for stuff. I mission run mostly afk, I mine mostly afk, I PvP half afk. Just because someone doesn't feel the need to glue themselves to the screen every waking moment doesn't put them on a lower scale of importance than you. I'm sure you didn't read about afk mining in the tutorial, and I'm SURE that you didn't read about harassing miners, suiciding them, or bumping them off their mining course.
Valron Xizor The Xizor Cartel	Posted - 2007.11.12 10:23:00 - [6] Originally by: Strife Phoenix It's his money let him afk if he wants. Macro/afk/actively managing roids doesn't really matter when the suicide commando ganksquad arrives. They might engage you simply because they can.. Well tbh I think if I was AK i'd survive a suicide attempt becuase I have a rather good tank set up and I'm mining in 1.0 so I suspect I'd be able to activate my tank and survive long enough for concord to turn up. AFK I cant activate my tank but hey, that's the risk I take and since the suicide squads are also not breaking any rules, I wont complain when I do eventually get popped. I wont be happy, but I wont complain.
Voltain Cursed Souls	Posted - 2007.11.12 10:38:00 - [7] Originally by: Poena Loveless ---well--- I personally put afk miners just above real macro miners. I may not suicide 'em, but I do like knocking them off the roids. Its just plan fun and it kinda irks me when I people printing isk for simply being logged in. PLAY the game, and before you say it, what you do isn't playing the game and its your own fault. (I don't remember reading about afk mining in the tutorial) ---well--- Get this, after I have AFK mined a shed load of mins with my industrial character I then build stuff with it while I am .....offline!
Valron Xizor The Xizor Cartel	Posted - 2007.11.12 10:58:00 - [8] [Quote] ---well--- Get this, after I have AFK mined a shed load of mins with my industrial character I then build stuff with it while I am .....offline! OMG!!!
Voltain Cursed Souls	Posted - 2007.11.12 11:21:00 - [9] Shocking revelation I know. I hope the suicide gankers don't catch on to me.
Suboran Gallente Sphinx Inc Intrepid Crossing	Posted - 2007.11.12 13:03:00 - [10] when there are 5-6 people in system with names such as adfghs or tyuiuo and usual an iteron 5 running around with a name like weasdr. also take note that they belong to the noob corp.

Dimitry Kalashnikov The Black Fleet	Posted - 2007.11.12 13:10:00 - [11] Originally by: Poena Loveless ---well--- I personally put afk miners just above real macro miners. I may not suicide 'em, but I do like knocking them off the roids. Its just plan fun and it kinda irks me when I people printing isk for simply being logged in. PLAY the game, and before you say it, what you do isn't playing the game and its your own fault. (I don't remember reading about afk mining in the tutorial) You sir, are an idiot in the purest of forms. A God of Idiots if you may. I don't believe there is a reason to explain why as you have explained it your post. Just please remember your post the next time you decide to AFK in a station. ============================================== Freelancer 2 Petition
Dimitry Kalashnikov The Black Fleet	Posted - 2007.11.12 13:11:00 - [12] Originally by: Curzon Dax Edited by: Curzon Dax on 12/11/2007 10:10:30 Originally by: Poena Loveless ---well--- I personally put afk miners just above real macro miners. I may not suicide 'em, but I do like knocking them off the roids. Its just plan fun and it kinda irks me when I people printing isk for simply being logged in. PLAY the game, and before you say it, what you do isn't playing the game and its your own fault. (I don't remember reading about afk mining in the tutorial) I mission run mostly afk, I mine mostly afk, I PvP half afk. Please don't post anymore. The size of your head is eating up my bandwidth. ============================================== Freelancer 2 Petition
Frodon Antiloncker	Posted - 2007.11.12 14:23:00 - [13] Edited by: Frodon on 12/11/2007 14:23:14 Originally by: Poena Loveless ---well--- I personally put afk miners just above real macro miners. I may not suicide 'em, but I do like knocking them off the roids. Its just plan fun and it kinda irks me when I people printing isk for simply being logged in. PLAY the game, and before you say it, what you do isn't playing the game and its your own fault. (I don't remember reading about afk mining in the tutorial) That's a thing, i don't understand. There is always people who better, are smarter or think they are. WTF, with isk farmer, macro miner, etc... it's their problem. why do those guys are a problem for U? I think, it's just an excuse for U feeling like a big boy (look how i'm strong) so u can fell better after annoying all those guys. In fact, attacking miner is just an awesome performance Best regard.
Taedrin Gallente Magellan Exploration and Survey Rare Faction	Posted - 2007.11.12 15:36:00 - [14] Edited by: Taedrin on 12/11/2007 15:36:29 Edited by: Taedrin on 12/11/2007 15:36:11 Originally by: Frodon That's a thing, I don't understand. There will always <be> people who <are> better, are smarter or think they are. WTF, with isk farmer, macro miner, etc... it's their problem. why do <you think> those guys are a problem for you? I think, it's just an excuse for you <to> feel like a big boy (look how strong I am!) so you can feel better after annoying all those guys. In fact, attacking miner is just an awesome performance Best regard. I apologize if you are not a native English speaker 3 things: Learn to spell Stop using AOLspeak ("U" vs you? Really, is it that hard to spell it all out? The keys are all right next to each other...). I wouldn't have criticized your poor English if you hadn't done this. People believe that macro miners are "cheating" by being able to mine while the player sleeps, works and/or fulfills various real life obligations. Furthermore, there is a belief that macro miners are linked to ISK->real money sellers, which is believed to ruin the economy of the game. This is why people think that macro miners are everyones problem.
Frodon Antiloncker	Posted - 2007.11.12 15:56:00 - [15] Originally by: Taedrin Edited by: Taedrin on 12/11/2007 15:36:29 Edited by: Taedrin on 12/11/2007 15:36:11 Originally by: Frodon That's a thing, I don't understand. There will always <be> people who <are> better, are smarter or think they are. WTF, with isk farmer, macro miner, etc... it's their problem. why do <you think> those guys are a problem for you? I think, it's just an excuse for you <to> feel like a big boy (look how strong I am!) so you can feel better after annoying all those guys. In fact, attacking miner is just an awesome performance Best regard. I apologize if you are not a native English speaker 3 things: Learn to spell Stop using AOLspeak ("U" vs you? Really, is it that hard to spell it all out? The keys are all right next to each other...). I wouldn't have criticized your poor English if you hadn't done this. People believe that macro miners are "cheating" by being able to mine while the player sleeps, works and/or fulfills various real life obligations. Furthermore, there is a belief that macro miners are linked to ISK->real money sellers, which is believed to ruin the economy of the game. This is why people think that macro miners are everyones problem. Rofl I'm not a native english. This forum is native English so i'm doing my best to "parler correctement et Otre compris" My turn, tell me what do you prefer reading. Merci d'avoir pris le temps de corriger mes erreurs dans le texte ci-dessus. Concernant mes abrTviations, il me semble que tu vas avoir du travail a reprendre tous les gens qui font des erreurs ou des raccourcis genre "lol" "mdr" "rgr" "gf" etc... Concernant les excuses pour dTtruire des mineurs en les traitant de "cheateurs", je pense que c'est juste une excuse permettant a de pauvres individus de se prendre pour les chevaliers servant la noble cause de Eve online. Me concernant les macros mineurs, ne me dTrangent pas, les isk farmers non plus. La ou cela me pose un problFme, c'est lorsque l'on confond systTmatiquement Macro mineur et vrai mineur en leur faisant perdre par un vol de can, une hulk qu'ils ont mis des mois a avoir. Mais cela fait parti du jeu. Cordialement Frodon. Now Taedrin, accept the challenge and please, do the effort to answer me in my native language. I hope you'll understant that it's more easy to correct my error than to answer and understand what i've just wrote upper. I hope, that my spelling is better and please forgive and correct, you, MASTER. And of course it's not flaming, it's just a game. Frodon
Voltain Cursed Souls	Posted - 2007.11.12 16:04:00 - [16] Originally by: Taedrin Edited by: Taedrin on 12/11/2007 15:36:29 Edited by: Taedrin on 12/11/2007 15:36:11 Of course, your spelling is perfect.
Tramp Oline	Posted - 2007.11.12 16:19:00 - [17] Edited by: Tramp Oline on 12/11/2007 16:23:48 I do the same thing when I'm working from home or the wife has me working on her 'honey-do' list. I have 2 accounts with pimped out Hulks with 17k of cargo space. I park mine at an ice belt because I don't have to worry about rocks popping and it will take 6 cycles to fill up the cargo hold. When mining ice that is a LONG time that I can be away from the computer doing other stuff. So far I haven't been called a macrominer but when you are sitting at an ice belt in a Hulk between 50 mackinaws that are constantly flying between the station and ice belt you tend to get overlooked in the traffic and the 2 billion anchored cans at the belt. I honestly don't know how you afk mine at a normal belt in Empire with a Hulk like that. Every couple cycles the rocks tend to pop. I've tried it and seemed to loose so much time and minerals with the mining beams doing nothing till I get back to the keyboard. The only time that I'll afk mine regular ore is if I'm mining those huge omber rocks in some of the missions or if I find a nice big Grav exploration site. Those are perfect for afk mining in a Hulk like this. Of course when afk mining a mission or exploration belt, no one else is around to see or care about what you are doing. Now I afk mine ice and sell it for the minerals that I need (unless I have a mission or exploration site to mine). It's much more efficient. If you are going to semi-afk mine at a normal belt then try to talk in local from time to time so that people know you aren't a macro. Originally by: Valron Xizor A: When he points his hulk at a few roids and goes afk till the hold is full, docks, empties hold, rinse, repeat. With a 3 Cargo Expander 2's and a couple of cargo expansion rigs the hulk can hold just over 17K m3. That makes it a decent ship to semi AFK mine in especially since you dont need a hauler. This isnt breaking rules or in any way an exploit.
Tramp Oline	Posted - 2007.11.12 16:32:00 - [18] Edited by: Tramp Oline on 12/11/2007 16:34:27 Hmm, I must have missed the tutorials where you build outposts, setup POS's, mine moons, fly dreads/carriers/motherships, use interdictor bubbles, gate camp, ... I hate it when people do stuff that isn't taught in the tutorial! Based on your logic, there are a LOT of people currently not playing the game right. BTW, which tutorial agent taught you how to ram ships to bump them away from rocks at the belt? Originally by: Poena Loveless ---well--- I personally put afk miners just above real macro miners. I may not suicide 'em, but I do like knocking them off the roids. Its just plan fun and it kinda irks me when I people printing isk for simply being logged in. PLAY the game, and before you say it, what you do isn't playing the game and its your own fault. (I don't remember reading about afk mining in the tutorial)
Orar Ironfist Incarnation of Evil Nocturnal Legion	Posted - 2007.11.12 17:18:00 - [19] Originally by: Valron Xizor With a 3 Cargo Expander 2's and a couple of cargo expansion rigs the hulk can hold just over 17K m3. That makes it a decent ship to semi AFK mine in especially since you dont need a hauler. This isnt breaking rules or in any way an exploit. Hulk has 2 lows unless you can somehow D3V H4X in a third -=YYYAAAAARRRRRRR!!!!!=- Winning or Losing doesn't matter, as long as the fight itself was good.
Valron Xizor The Xizor Cartel	Posted - 2007.11.12 17:23:00 - [20] Originally by: Tramp Oline Edited by: Tramp Oline on 12/11/2007 16:23:48 I do the same thing when I'm working from home or the wife has me working on her 'honey-do' list. I have 2 accounts with pimped out Hulks with 17k of cargo space. I park mine at an ice belt because I don't have to worry about rocks popping and it will take 6 cycles to fill up the cargo hold. When mining ice that is a LONG time that I can be away from the computer doing other stuff. So far I haven't been called a macrominer but when you are sitting at an ice belt in a Hulk between 50 mackinaws that are constantly flying between the station and ice belt you tend to get overlooked in the traffic and the 2 billion anchored cans at the belt. I honestly don't know how you afk mine at a normal belt in Empire with a Hulk like that. Every couple cycles the rocks tend to pop. I've tried it and seemed to loose so much time and minerals with the mining beams doing nothing till I get back to the keyboard. The only time that I'll afk mine regular ore is if I'm mining those huge omber rocks in some of the missions or if I find a nice big Grav exploration site. Those are perfect for afk mining in a Hulk like this. Of course when afk mining a mission or exploration belt, no one else is around to see or care about what you are doing. Now I afk mine ice and sell it for the minerals that I need (unless I have a mission or exploration site to mine). It's much more efficient. If you are going to semi-afk mine at a normal belt then try to talk in local from time to time so that people know you aren't a macro. Originally by: Valron Xizor A: When he points his hulk at a few roids and goes afk till the hold is full, docks, empties hold, rinse, repeat. With a 3 Cargo Expander 2's and a couple of cargo expansion rigs the hulk can hold just over 17K m3. That makes it a decent ship to semi AFK mine in especially since you dont need a hauler. This isnt breaking rules or in any way an exploit. Yes, the roids do pop often and I do have to re-target and activate my lasers everytime I pass the PC. Is ice profitable? I thought they moved the decent ice out of Empire. If so, 'look out people! my hulk is coming to an ice belt near you!'

Fischfun	Posted - 2007.11.12 17:29:00 - [21] Originally by: Poena Loveless ---well--- I personally put afk miners just above real macro miners. I may not suicide 'em, but I do like knocking them off the roids. Its just plan fun and it kinda irks me when I people printing isk for simply being logged in. PLAY the game, and before you say it, what you do isn't playing the game and its your own fault. (I don't remember reading about afk mining in the tutorial) This made me lol. You realise no one actually sits there and watches their ship mine? Ice miners take 10 minutes to cycle, you think people are sat there the whole time mindlessly watching the screen? Clearly you have assumed everyone lives are as empty and hollow as your own. Pretty much anyone in a barge is semi afk mining, no one actually sits there and watches it lol. I normally do it while im using the market or reading a book / webpage or watching tv. Yes of course, its "our own fault" we've not got empty enough lives like you to sit there and WATCH as we mine, lol.
NightHaunter Caldari	Posted - 2007.11.12 18:27:00 - [22] Originally by: Fischfun This made me lol. You realise no one actually sits there and watches their ship mine? Ice miners take 10 minutes to cycle, you think people are sat there the whole time mindlessly watching the screen? Clearly you have assumed everyone lives are as empty and hollow as your own. Pretty much anyone in a barge is semi afk mining, no one actually sits there and watches it lol. I normally do it while im using the market or reading a book / webpage or watching tv. Yes of course, its "our own fault" we've not got empty enough lives like you to sit there and WATCH as we mine, lol. You are playing a game which you pay a monthly fee for. You life is just as empty as the next person. Don't kid yourself into thinking otherwise.
Curzon Dax Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2007.11.12 18:59:00 - [23] Originally by: Dimitry Kalashnikov Originally by: Curzon Dax Edited by: Curzon Dax on 12/11/2007 10:10:30 Originally by: Poena Loveless ---well--- I personally put afk miners just above real macro miners. I may not suicide 'em, but I do like knocking them off the roids. Its just plan fun and it kinda irks me when I people printing isk for simply being logged in. PLAY the game, and before you say it, what you do isn't playing the game and its your own fault. (I don't remember reading about afk mining in the tutorial) I mission run mostly afk, I mine mostly afk, I PvP half afk. Please don't post anymore. The size of your head is eating up my bandwidth. Sorry. The size of your intellect requires me post as often as possible in an effort to help give the impression that the forums aren't full of neanderthals. But then again, when your posting solely consists of leveling personal attacks at people back to back for no particular reason, you probably already have guessed that you're not exactly at the top of the gene pool....
Tashiell Gao Caldari Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2007.11.12 19:20:00 - [24] everybody has his own way to play/enjoy the game which can not be justed by others. if you are the pr*ck who like to ruin others gaming experience go for it, but you don't have the right to say if they are right or wrong. but..if eveybody hates macro or afk miners so much. let's just remove the minerals in game and enjoy the pirce rise Tashiell Gao
gpfwestie	Posted - 2007.11.12 20:12:00 - [25] Quote: My turn, tell me what do you prefer reading. Merci d'avoir pris le temps de corriger mes erreurs dans le texte ci-dessus. Concernant mes abrTviations, il me semble que tu vas avoir du travail a reprendre tous les gens qui font des erreurs ou des raccourcis genre "lol" "mdr" "rgr" "gf" etc... Concernant les excuses pour dTtruire des mineurs en les traitant de "cheateurs", je pense que c'est juste une excuse permettant a de pauvres individus de se prendre pour les chevaliers servant la noble cause de Eve online. Me concernant les macros mineurs, ne me dTrangent pas, les isk farmers non plus. La ou cela me pose un problFme, c'est lorsque l'on confond systTmatiquement Macro mineur et vrai mineur en leur faisant perdre par un vol de can, une hulk qu'ils ont mis des mois a avoir. Mais cela fait parti du jeu. Cordialement Frodon. Now Taedrin, accept the challenge and please, do the effort to answer me in my native language. c'est marrant I think 'Pwned' is how the kids would describe this comeback,
Battleclash	Posted - 2007.11.12 20:40:00 - [26] Mon Frantais suce Originally by: Vladimir Ilych Stupidity is universal.
Fester Addams Minmatar	Posted - 2007.11.12 20:50:00 - [27] A macroer is a player who uses macros. AFK mining is in reality not against the rules as far as I know. Back in the day people used to have high sec industrial miners for when they went to bed. Take a cheap indy. Fit with 1 mining laser and some cargo expanders. Fly yo a high sec no NPC astroid belt. Pick a large roid and start mining it. Go to sleep.
Frodon Antiloncker	Posted - 2007.11.12 20:50:00 - [28] Originally by: Battleclash Mon Frantais suce
CaptDevil Gallente Legion Du Lys GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.11.12 21:24:00 - [29] Lol frodon tu lui a clouT le bec asser rapide
Rocka Stargirl	Posted - 2007.11.12 21:36:00 - [30] WTB: Hulk with 3 lows Also, I don't chat with people in local. I don't even look at local 99% of the time. Why would I? I'm in high sec, if I get suicided, I just buy another hulk and mods and get right back to it. When I'm mining I'm usually reading, since mining is the single most boring activity in eve, beside talking to trogs in local. Besides, how is some idiot named "Cerebral Assassin" going to beat H.H. Scullard? --- We do what we must, because we can.



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