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Matiaj
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Posted - 2007.11.12 11:05:00 -
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Edited by: Matiaj on 12/11/2007 11:11:13
LSEs are fine.
The problem lies in SPRs because they allow ships to shield tank with both med and low slots.
Oh wait, this means the ship actually cannot do anything else.
NEVERMIND IT'S CLEARLY IMBALANCED ANYWAY.
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Sokratesz
Rionnag Alba
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.11.12 11:12:00 -
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Nerf cap injectors, they allow people to armourtank with midslots.
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Sin Meng
Gallente
Knights Of the Black Sun
Rule of Three
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Posted - 2007.11.12 11:23:00 -
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 Originally by: Sokratesz
Nerf cap injectors, they allow people to armourtank with midslots.
/endofthread. OP has no real argument.
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Hatsim
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Posted - 2007.11.12 11:26:00 -
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Edited by: Hatsim on 12/11/2007 11:26:52
Just give the **** some drawbacks. like 10% decreased recharge rate to shields... PROBLEM SOLVED...
the current sig radius inc is just ********.
"imagine a dozen hornets pouring from the devil's mouth, Now imagine they have autocannons."
/Hatsim
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Sokratesz
Rionnag Alba
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.11.12 11:32:00 -
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Originally by: Hatsim
Edited by: Hatsim on 12/11/2007 11:26:52
Just give the **** some drawbacks. like 10% decreased recharge rate to shields... PROBLEM SOLVED...
the current sig radius inc is just ********.
wtf?
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Yukisa
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Posted - 2007.11.12 11:33:00 -
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It will be nerf, i just hope it won't be nerfed into oblivion.
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Inflexible
Rytiri Lva
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Posted - 2007.11.12 11:42:00 -
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Originally by: Hatsim
Edited by: Hatsim on 12/11/2007 11:26:52
Just give the **** some drawbacks. like 10% decreased recharge rate to shields... PROBLEM SOLVED...
the current sig radius inc is just ********.
I'd like to know your opinion on CPR drawback then 
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Xequecal
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Posted - 2007.11.12 11:50:00 -
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Originally by: Hatsim
Edited by: Hatsim on 12/11/2007 11:26:52
Just give the **** some drawbacks. like 10% decreased recharge rate to shields... PROBLEM SOLVED...
the current sig radius inc is just ********.
No, it isn't. People really need to stop whining about passive shield tanked setups, good players don't take these into PvP. Seriously, if you come across a passive shield tanked ship, just IGNORE it until everything else is dead. It can't DO anything with its low slots filled with SPRs.
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Gypsio III
Darkness Inc.
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Posted - 2007.11.12 11:56:00 -
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Nerf drones, they allow people to dronetank, using no slots at all! 
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Goumindong
Amarr
Merch Industrial
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.11.12 12:11:00 -
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Originally by: Xequecal
Originally by: Hatsim
Edited by: Hatsim on 12/11/2007 11:26:52
Just give the **** some drawbacks. like 10% decreased recharge rate to shields... PROBLEM SOLVED...
the current sig radius inc is just ********.
No, it isn't. People really need to stop whining about passive shield tanked setups, good players don't take these into PvP. Seriously, if you come across a passive shield tanked ship, just IGNORE it until everything else is dead. It can't DO anything with its low slots filled with SPRs.
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Matiaj
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Posted - 2007.11.12 12:40:00 -
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Edited by: Matiaj on 12/11/2007 12:43:32
You ruined my efforts to deviate the nerf requests towards SPRs instead of LSEs. :/
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Ismern
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.11.12 13:44:00 -
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Originally by: Matiaj
Edited by: Matiaj on 12/11/2007 11:11:13
Oh wait, this means the ship actually cannot do anything else.
NEVERMIND IT'S CLEARLY IMBALANCED ANYWAY.
I can't tell if this is just a not so elaborate troll or not.
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Pottsey
Enheduanni Foundation
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Posted - 2007.11.12 13:53:00 -
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ôSeriously, if you come across a passive shield tanked ship, just IGNORE it until everything else is dead. It can't DO anything with its low slots filled with SPRs.ö
If you ever meet my passive tank that would be a serious mistake. Any decent pilot will use a mix of SPRÆs and PDS so we can use all his weapons and modules.
Passive shield tanking guide click here |
Atsuko Ratu
Caldari
Advanced Logistics
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Posted - 2007.11.12 14:04:00 -
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Originally by: Pottsey
ôSeriously, if you come across a passive shield tanked ship, just IGNORE it until everything else is dead. It can't DO anything with its low slots filled with SPRs.ö
If you ever meet my passive tank that would be a serious mistake. Any decent pilot will use a mix of SPRÆs and PDS so we can use all his weapons and modules.
I'd just stick two damps on you and giggle  not like you're gonna mwd toward me
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Pottsey
Enheduanni Foundation
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Posted - 2007.11.12 14:36:00 -
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Why not? All my PvP setups have MWD. If you truly did what you said you would and ignored my passive tank you would die pretty fast. By the time you realise it would be to late. Your damps would be useless and so would your active tank if you have one.
Passive shield tanking guide click here |
Neon Genesis
The Landed Gentry
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Posted - 2007.11.12 14:56:00 -
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Edited by: Neon Genesis on 12/11/2007 15:05:12
Originally by: Pottsey
ôSeriously, if you come across a passive shield tanked ship, just IGNORE it until everything else is dead. It can't DO anything with its low slots filled with SPRs.ö
If you ever meet my passive tank that would be a serious mistake. Any decent pilot will use a mix of SPRÆs and PDS so we can use all his weapons and modules.
Whether it's SPR's or a mix of those and PDS dosn't matter, you don't have enough damage mods to really be effective over a ship with an active tank and lots of dps. Even without dampening you'd just be ignored until your friends were dead, at which point you'll die a slow but inevitable death.
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Matiaj
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Posted - 2007.11.12 15:34:00 -
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Originally by: Pottsey
Why not? All my PvP setups have MWD. If you truly did what you said you would and ignored my passive tank you would die pretty fast. By the time you realise it would be to late. Your damps would be useless and so would your active tank if you have one.
Actually, we wouldn't die pretty fast, since your dps is laughable.
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Xequecal
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Posted - 2007.11.12 15:49:00 -
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Edited by: Xequecal on 12/11/2007 15:50:56
Originally by: Pottsey
ôSeriously, if you come across a passive shield tanked ship, just IGNORE it until everything else is dead. It can't DO anything with its low slots filled with SPRs.ö
If you ever meet my passive tank that would be a serious mistake. Any decent pilot will use a mix of SPRÆs and PDS so we can use all his weapons and modules.
Let's see, you have no damage mods, no tackle, no ewar, no MWD, no scrambler.....yeah, I think I'll be just fine ignoring you.
No idea why you would use PDS, you're an idiot (well, a bigger idiot than you already are for trying to PvP in an SPR tanked ship) if you equip cap-using weapons on your shield tanked ship.
Myrmidon was sort of the exception when it came to passive shield tanking because that ship could actually DPS with a passive tank but it just got nerfed. And this setup wasn't very good to begin with.
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Why not? All my PvP setups have MWD. If you truly did what you said you would and ignored my passive tank you would die pretty fast. By the time you realise it would be to late. Your damps would be useless and so would your active tank if you have one.
Oh my god, you fit a full rack of SPR and then put on a MWD too? How are you still flying ships? How haven't you lost all your money and been booted from your corp for this?
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Pottsey
Enheduanni Foundation
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Posted - 2007.11.12 15:59:00 -
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öyou don't have enough damage mods to really be effective over a ship with an active tank and lots of dps.ö
My current ship has 3 damage mods you should stop assuming things. Although I donÆt PvP in that one, there is no reason why I couldnt.
ôEven without dampening you'd just be ignored until your friends were dead, at which point you'll die a slow but inevitable death.ö
My point is if you ignore me then your dead. How do you plan to kill my friends and tank my damage when you have 0 cap?
ôActually, we wouldn't die pretty fast, since your dps is laughable.ö
My main PvP ship does about 800 to 1000 DPS as a passive tank if I use blasters I believe. Normally I go for cap drain, get them down to 0 cap so there defence is inactive then do 450dps to kill. With no active defence 450dps is more then enough. Due to my close range of 0km few turrets hit me unless they have web and I use Microwarp to stay close.
Passive shield tanking guide click here |
Xequecal
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Posted - 2007.11.12 16:13:00 -
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Originally by: Pottsey
My main PvP ship does about 800 to 1000 DPS as a passive tank if I use blasters I believe. Normally I go for cap drain, get them down to 0 cap so there defence is inactive then do 450dps to kill. With no active defence 450dps is more then enough. Due to my close range of 0km few turrets hit me unless they have web and I use Microwarp to stay close.
Lies. Unless when you refer to "passive tank" you mean armor plates or to LSEs only. There is absolutely no way in hell you are doing "800-1000 DPS" with SPRs in your lows.
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Pottsey
Enheduanni Foundation
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Posted - 2007.11.12 16:14:00 -
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ôLet's see, you have no damage mods, no tackle, no ewar, no MWD, no scrambler.....yeah, I think I'll be just fine ignoring you.ö
Wrong, wrong and Wrong. Ignoring me would be stupid and your death. ItÆs a stupid myth that all passive tanks have all slots on tanking. Do you even read my posts? I said I have damage mods and MWD. I donÆt use EW as I donÆt like it and its not my job, my gang mate does that. No scrambler either as if your scrambled by my gang mate I donÆt need to. My job it to deal damage and/or disabled your ship via cap drain and getting you down to 0% cap. With 0% cap your ewar, MWD and sometimes weapons and defence are disabled. Since youÆre ignoring me your going be out of cap fast and your ship will be useless.
ôOh my god, you fit a full rack of SPR and then put on a MWD too?ö
Only and idiot would do that. As I said before I donÆt use a full rack of SPRÆs. Depending on the ships job I use a mix of SPR's and PDS. The ratio of the mix change's based on my job. If its dps output I use about 3 PDS, if its cap drain more.
ôNo idea why you would use PDS, you're an idiot (well, a bigger idiot than you already are for trying to PvP in an SPR tanked ship) if you equip cap-using weapons on your shield tanked ship.ö
You have no idea why I would use PDS and you call me the idiot. Why dont you meet me on teh test server for some battles. See if you still call me an idiot then.
Lets see, why would I use PDS, massive hitpoint buffer, lots of PG to fit the best weapons, lots of cap to run modules and a nice passive HP regen boost. PDS counter act drawbacks of SPRÆs.
Why am I an idiot for using a passive tank with hybrid turrets? I have zero cap problems. Perhaps youÆre not aware of 3 things. First I have no active tank so no massive cap drain. 2nd my cap holds anyway. 3rd you can always use a cap booster if you did have cap problems.
ôHow haven't you lost all your money and been booted from your corp for this?ö
No because it works. Even won some tournaments with it in the past.
Passive shield tanking guide click here |
Pottsey
Enheduanni Foundation
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Posted - 2007.11.12 16:16:00 -
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ôLies. Unless when you refer to "passive tank" you mean armor plates or to LSEs only. There is absolutely no way in hell you are doing "800-1000 DPS" with SPRs in your lows.ö
SPRÆs donÆt lower your DPS so why on earth couldnÆt I hit 800 to 1000dps with damage mods? Its not like there is any point after the 4th damage mod. 3 or 4 damage mods is more then enough for 800dps. Or do your SPR's have some strange -20% to DPS on them?
Passive shield tanking guide click here |
Esmenet
Gallente
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Posted - 2007.11.12 17:06:00 -
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Post your amazing setup then pottsey. Because either your dps sucks or your passive tank sucks.
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Lyria Skydancer
Amarr
Uninvited Guests
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Posted - 2007.11.12 17:07:00 -
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Originally by: Sokratesz
Nerf cap injectors, they allow people to armourtank with midslots.
If they nerf low slot shield tanking id happily give up cap injectors in mids as amarr. Hello passive armor tank ownage.
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Hugh Ruka
Caldari
Exploratio et Industria Morispatia
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Posted - 2007.11.12 17:12:00 -
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Originally by: Esmenet
Post your amazing setup then pottsey. Because either your dps sucks or your passive tank sucks.
hint: drone ship
Originally by: Aravel Thon
Originally by: Nith Batoxxx
Hi my alt just leanred to fly the ferox...............
I am so so terribly sorry...
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Lisento Slaven
Amarr
Capitalism Amuck
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Posted - 2007.11.12 17:13:00 -
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So when is everyone going to learn to play EVE?
Or are you guys going to keep saying a passive ship can't kill things in EVE because you have leet equips and "Just kill their friends first."
Because we all know everyone in EVE, even the incompetent people (who use this board as well mind you), use setups that are perfect according to a program up until you take into account that you run into an asteroid or get ECM'd or run into a ship with damage that is X with stereotype Y and friend Z that ruin your paper ship.
If person A on the board gives you their setup and their tactics (figure out which is more important in EVE to killing a ship) then I would laugh at you if you were incapable of providing a setup and tactic capable of killing them.
The whole point is to not tell you how to kill me. I like to keep that part secret. Especially if I found something that seems to be working in my context of playing EVE.
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Atsuko Ratu
Caldari
Advanced Logistics
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Posted - 2007.11.12 17:15:00 -
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She is doing nothing but assuming at this point. She has 3 damage mods, a mwd, a web, a point (oh wait, she added gang members because she realized how BS she sounded), so she is dealing 900dps average, neut/nossing you to "Get your cap to 0" and passive tanking at least 1200 dps to counter the average gank setup!
You know what is hillarious? The moment you turn on the MWD in your battleship class drake, you'll be primaried and killed in a few seconds because you have no real tank.
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Jarmon Karlentis
Caldari
Setenta Corp
Combined Planetary Union
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Posted - 2007.11.12 17:25:00 -
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I love the way people are being critical of Pottsey for using a passive tank. Or for having friends.
Having played this game for a long long time, I know that she is synonymous with passive tanking. In fact Pottsey laid all the groundwork for passive tanking. So a word to the wise, please don't flame people for their setup before you know who they are and what they know. In this case you seem to be horribly, horribly wrong :$
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Atsuko Ratu
Caldari
Advanced Logistics
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Posted - 2007.11.12 17:28:00 -
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Originally by: Jarmon Karlentis
I love the way people are being critical of Pottsey for using a passive tank. Or for having friends.
Having played this game for a long long time, I know that she is synonymous with passive tanking. In fact Pottsey laid all the groundwork for passive tanking. So a word to the wise, please don't flame people for their setup before you know who they are and what they know. In this case you seem to be horribly, horribly wrong :$
I have 3 falcons on my team! Look, I can do it too 
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JamnOne
Amarr
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Posted - 2007.11.12 17:36:00 -
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I just have to throw my 2cents in to this mess...
For a good passive shield tank to work effectivly then that would mean they don't have any really good DPS. The only time a good passive shield tank is worth while is when running missions.
If you are in hi-sec and you go after a Caldari ship like the Drake for example they will more than likely be passive shield tank to run a mission. Leave it alone unless you have time to kill it as they can't out run you if you web it and warp scram it. They can't do any real damage against you unless you have no tank at all. All slots are setup for shields.
If you are in Lo-Sec and you go after a Caldari ship they will more than likely be setup for PvP and not mission running. This means they are not using a uber passive tank and can the fight should go fairly quickly.
If you want to look at Caldari PvP and Mission setups look at the stickies. As for passive tanking they already swung the nerf bat once at it. It doesn't need to happen again.
I use Caldari ships as examples because they are the Shield Tanking race.
I am Amarr - we use Duct Tape to tank.
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