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Karlemgne
The Black Fleet
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Posted - 2007.11.13 23:48:00 -
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Edited by: Karlemgne on 13/11/2007 23:50:43
Originally by: Davlin Lotze There will always be those who applaud CCP for "redistributing wealth" like this. Robin Hood was very popular with the masses. I understand that element although I do think it is bad for any MMO that values a "meritocracy" philosophy.
I guess the existance of "communist" corps in Eve should have been a warning against those who might be concerned over having their wealth sacked by the masses. That we(those who believe in a meritocracy) overlooked the apparent success of "communist" elements in successful corps like Evol and RKK is our fault.
Had I known CCP's proclivities in terms of embracing a failed IRL philosophy like communism in their virtual world, I might not have stayed around so long, accumulated so much wealth, only to lose it to out of game machinations.
First of all, don't talk about what you don't know about.
"Failed IRL philosophy?"
That speaks for an utter lack of knowledge surrounding Marxism as either a Philosophical or Political movement. I am sure you will say some infantile thing like "the Soviet Union blah blah blah." Its sad that I should be the first to tell you that authoritarian socialism is not, at all, what Marx had in mind. Anymore than ****** was what John Locke or Adam Smith had in mind when they were inventing the bankrupt justification for capitalism (on a side note Adam Smith at least said that two business men meeting in secret were conspiring against the people.)
You also seem to be a shining example, again, of someone who probably doesn't even realize that there is a separation between Marxism as a political tool (a still valid one I might add) and Marxism as an arm of critique.
I will only say this to you once as well, the removal of the ability to exploit your fellow human beings is not a stand in for mediocrity. So just stop with the trite garbage you learned in an American high school. Please.
Lastly, you have made everyone who is for this nerf's case. You are taking an elitist position and suggesting that because you trained and bought a Carrier you should be allowed to use it as a wtfpownmobie and an end around on the logistical limitations of 0.0. You aren't going to win any converts with that kind of talk.
And since you are leaving eve because apparently an Icelandic capitalist entity in the form of a video game company is too "communistic" for you maybe you should give me your stuff.
On second thought, maybe you should sell it on ebay. You wouldn't want to just give your stuff away.
-Karlemgne
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Riley Craven
Caldari Sunshine Carebear Crew
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Posted - 2007.11.13 23:49:00 -
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Originally by: Karlemgne BS you can skill up a capital pilot in less than a year. Please don't say stuff like "I spent two years skilling up a capital pilot!"
What you really mean is that it took you 4 months to train up to capital ships, and you've been playing the game 2 years. On top of that you don't like game balancing, you prefer to fly around your wtfpownmobile in a way it was never intended.
How dare CCP try to make their ship into what it was intended to be in the first place. -Karl
I see your back to making poor arguments again mister Karl.
You are correct you can train to fly a cap ship within a year. However you will be so **** poor at flying it that it wouldnt make sense to do so.
Hey we can even make this easier on you... you can train to fly a BS within a month, but guess what, you will suck balls at flying it because being able to "FLY" a ship does not mean you can really use it, or that you should use it.
I have caldari dred trained to lvl 1, I dont have torp 5, I dont have AWU to 5 either... I can "FLY" a dred, but a dred using regulars torps on a POS killing op is going to look pretty fracking stupid.
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Clorthos
Gallente Tau Ceti Global Production Knights Of the Southerncross
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Posted - 2007.11.13 23:50:00 -
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Originally by: Karlemgne
BS you can skill up a capital pilot in less than a year. Please don't say stuff like "I spent two years skilling up a capital pilot!"
What you really mean is that it took you 4 months to train up to capital ships, and you've been playing the game 2 years. On top of that you don't like game balancing, you prefer to fly around your wtfpownmobile in a way it was never intended.
How dare CCP try to make their ship into what it was intended to be in the first place.
-Karl
Never used my carrier or eos as a wtfpownmobile, I spent much longer than 4 months skilling up to fly an eos effectivly and a carrier effectivly and a dread effectivly, and a rorquel.
And you are right I did play the game 2 years pick a skill path in line with corp and personal goals, sometimes those added in extra days when the corp needed another person to fly a recon, or dictor, or build ishtars.
What it comes down to is the bill of goods i got sold is not the one that is currently being offered for delivery. Ccp can do whatever they want with "thier" game, I will not support it.
Your fanboi-ism of standing behing ccp 1000% no matter what and calling foul if anyone else has a difference of opinion is pathetic.
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Turin
Caldari Eternity INC. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2007.11.13 23:53:00 -
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Originally by: Karlemgne
First of all, don't talk about what you don't know about.
Can I suggest you take your own advice?
Originally by: Karlemgne
Lastly, you have made everyone who is for this nerf's case. You are taking an elitist position and suggesting that because you trained and bought a Carrier you should be allowed to use it as a wtfpownmobie and an end around on the logistical limitations of 0.0. You aren't going to win any converts with that kind of talk.
-Karlemgne
See above post.
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Karlemgne
The Black Fleet
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Posted - 2007.11.13 23:55:00 -
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Originally by: Turin
Originally by: Karlemgne
BS you can skill up a capital pilot in less than a year. Please don't say stuff like "I spent two years skilling up a capital pilot!"
What you really mean is that it took you 4 months to train up to capital ships, and you've been playing the game 2 years. On top of that you don't like game balancing, you prefer to fly around your wtfpownmobile in a way it was never intended.
How dare CCP try to make their ship into what it was intended to be in the first place.
-Karl
You obiously dont know what your talking about. Anyone who calls a carrier a solo wtfpwnmobile, I just laugh at and write off a someone who has no understanding of carriers, their weakness's, and how simple it is to kill one. I could show you how to fit a fully officer fit carrier with two ships for less than 10 mil isk. Thats balance to you? Thats a wtfpwnmobile?
Again. anyone who use's the term "wtfpwnmobile" and "carrier" in the same sentance, are dilluded, and are just spewing the crap from the devblog. You dont really know what your talking about, and it completley invalidates any point you might try and make afterwards.
Carriers are at the present time wtfpwnmobiles. That is of course, unless you are trying to solo gatecamp with them. And lets not even get started on motherships and super capitals.
And it is truly amazing that you ignore the very real fact that carriers are being used in ways they weren't intended. You know as jump freighters? But that's fine, your in MC, so you are probably going to tell me that its okay to use carriers as Freighters and "what about 0.0 warfare."
To which I'd reply:
grow up
and
You represent less than 10% of the people who play eve.
Thanks, drive through.
-Karl
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Riley Craven
Caldari Sunshine Carebear Crew
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Posted - 2007.11.13 23:56:00 -
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Originally by: Karlemgne How dare CCP for releasing borked content, taking a year to fix it, and then making it worse than it was before. -Karl
Fixed it for you.
What you should be ****ed off about is that CCP release the carrier stupidly to begin with. Had the given some thought to their choices when they first released them none of us would be here today.
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Turin
Caldari Eternity INC. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2007.11.13 23:57:00 -
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Originally by: Karlemgne
Carriers are at the present time wtfpwnmobiles. That is of course, unless you are trying to solo gatecamp with them. And lets not even get started on motherships and super capitals.
And it is truly amazing that you ignore the very real fact that carriers are being used in ways they weren't intended. You know as jump freighters? But that's fine, your in MC, so you are probably going to tell me that its okay to use carriers as Freighters and "what about 0.0 warfare."
To which I'd reply:
grow up
and
You represent less than 10% of the people who play eve.
Thanks, drive through.
-Karl
I guess we will just have to agree to disagree. But your wrong.
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Tarminic
Forsaken Resistance
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Posted - 2007.11.13 23:59:00 -
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Originally by: Turin I guess we will just have to agree to disagree. But your wrong.
Best line in this thread. ---------------- Tarminic - 29 Million SP in pink Forum Warfare |
Riley Craven
Caldari Sunshine Carebear Crew
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Posted - 2007.11.14 00:01:00 -
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Originally by: Karlemgne
And it is truly amazing that you ignore the very real fact that carriers are being used in ways they weren't intended. You know as jump freighters?
-Karl
Whats funny is that your using the same arguements you tried to pull in the GIANT GSC nerf thread months back. The funny thing is that you got argued off that thread for spouting stupid arguements. Just because what your saying now is the same as what you were saying then doesnt make it any more true.
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Karlemgne
The Black Fleet
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Posted - 2007.11.14 00:06:00 -
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Originally by: Turin
Originally by: Karlemgne
First of all, don't talk about what you don't know about.
Can I suggest you take your own advice?
Originally by: Karlemgne
Lastly, you have made everyone who is for this nerf's case. You are taking an elitist position and suggesting that because you trained and bought a Carrier you should be allowed to use it as a wtfpownmobie and an end around on the logistical limitations of 0.0. You aren't going to win any converts with that kind of talk.
-Karlemgne
See above post.
I do know what I am talking about, particularly in the case of Marxism. I have the credentials (graduate degree) to back that up.
As for the carrier, again, its rich that you say that I don't know what I'm talking about. This coming from someone whose alliance cyno'd in a Nyx to an even fight I was involved in in low-sec.
What's more, are you objecting to my position on exactly how long it actually takes to train for a carrier? No you aren't, because I'm right.
Your sole site of critique appears to be my claim that carriers are wtfpownmobiles. I guess that all depends on how you define that category. In my mind any ship that can do the DPS that a carrier can do, also act as a logistic ship (remote reps), and at the same time allow you to transport loads of stuff light years with little risk is a wtfpownmobile.
Can it be killed? Yes. Even Titans can be killed as your corp is a shining testament to. Does that mean that the Titan class ship, if half of eve had them and were using them like Carriers are currently being used, wouldn't qualify as a wtfpownmobile? I think not.
But maybe we just disagree on a definition. Carriers as they currently exist are not balanced. They need to be balanced.
CCP isn't just doing this "nerf" to **** people off. There is recognition at their level that carriers are being used in ways that were unintended, and that, in their opinion, breaks the game. I happen to agree with them.
End of story.
-Karlemgne
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Turin
Caldari Eternity INC. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2007.11.14 00:09:00 -
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No, Im disagreeing that a carrier is a solo wtfpwnmobile.
And btw, a degree doesnt make you smart. I know plenty of people who should use their diplomas to wipe their arse with. It would be more useful to them.
you might be right about Marxism. I dont know. Poly Sci was not my strong area. I was History / Comp Sci. But I know your wrong about carriers. :)
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Zhaine
B e l l u m
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Posted - 2007.11.14 00:10:00 -
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While I far from agree with all the changes that are currently scheduled to go into Trinity, it's blindingly obvious to me that CCP is fine and it's the community, or at least the forums, that are going rapidly south.
There's always been crap posted here but I've never seen it in such volume and from players, corps and alliances that I though would know better.
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Riley Craven
Caldari Sunshine Carebear Crew
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Posted - 2007.11.14 00:12:00 -
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Originally by: Zhaine
There's always been crap posted here but I've never seen it in such volume and from players, corps and alliances that I though would know better.
Saying posts are crap is one thing. Actually proving they are crap is another matter entirely.
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Kirren D'marr
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Posted - 2007.11.14 00:18:00 -
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Originally by: Riley Craven
Originally by: Kirren D'marr Edited by: Kirren D''marr on 13/11/2007 23:41:10
Originally by: Riley Craven ... While I admit freely I never played SWG, I can clearly make the comparision that Trinity = NGE. The only information I need to have is how many people are ****ed off about these changes to come to that conclusion. Whines may always have been an issue in regards to patches, but this patch in particular has brought them out of the wood works so much so that even you can not craft an arguement to dispute that claim.
And in that, you and everyone else who makes the same analogy prove that you know nothing about the NGE. It was not a change to a game, it was a replacement of one game with another. Stop the hyperbole! I'm not saying I'm crazy about all the changes in EVE myself, but people are really taking things drastically out of proportion if they think Trinity or any other update is remotely like the NGE in scope and change. Anyone who makes that comparison is just proving their own ignorance. If you want to say the changes are bad, fine; but when you make a comparison so blatantly out of scale, you only serve to undermine your arguement by making yourself appear the fool.
You clearly missed the point of what I was saying.
My arguement, it doesnt matter what changes were/are made to either game. It doesnt matter what changed, how it changed, or who changed it.
The only thing that matters in my Arguement was that anyone can equate Trinity with NGE simply because of the levels of people it ****ed off. You can say anything you want and it will still be a fact that BOTH patches ****ed ALOT of people off.
Reading before posting = win.
And you obviously missed my point. You cannot equate the two, on any level. What happened is nothing alike due to shear scale. What changed and how much changed matters because it resulted in a greater number and percentage of upset players.
While there are players upset over the changes in EVE, it is not nearly as far-reaching as the NGE was. The extent of the changes is nothing like what happened in the NGE, and neither is the level of angered players. If it were, I'd be seriously concerned about people's need to overreact as they'd be making a mountain out of a molehill by comparison.
"ALOT" is not a quantifiable amount, merely claiming that both changes angered "ALOT" of people does not make it correct that they were anything alike in scope or number of angered customers.
Think before counterposting, and do some reading of your own. By your own admission, you are ignorant on the issue, yet you still make claims based on what you do not know. That's shaky ground for an argument.
Truth and accuracy = win.
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Praesus Lecti
Gallente Vos Combibis
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Posted - 2007.11.14 00:18:00 -
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Originally by: An Anarchyyt SWG was much BEST when it was just a "Wouldn't it be cool if" concept floating around the office.
Fixed that for you.
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Riley Craven
Caldari Sunshine Carebear Crew
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Posted - 2007.11.14 00:30:00 -
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Edited by: Riley Craven on 14/11/2007 00:31:49 Edited by: Riley Craven on 14/11/2007 00:31:04
Originally by: Kirren D'marr
Originally by: Riley Craven You clearly missed the point of what I was saying.
My arguement, it doesnt matter what changes were/are made to either game. It doesnt matter what changed, how it changed, or who changed it.
The only thing that matters in my Arguement was that anyone can equate Trinity with NGE simply because of the levels of people it ****ed off. You can say anything you want and it will still be a fact that BOTH patches ****ed ALOT of people off.
Reading before posting = win.
And you obviously missed my point. You cannot equate the two, on any level. What happened is nothing alike due to shear scale. What changed and how much changed matters because it resulted in a greater number and percentage of upset players.
While there are players upset over the changes in EVE, it is not nearly as far-reaching as the NGE was. The extent of the changes is nothing like what happened in the NGE, and neither is the level of angered players. If it were, I'd be seriously concerned about people's need to overreact as they'd be making a mountain out of a molehill by comparison.
"ALOT" is not a quantifiable amount, merely claiming that both changes angered "ALOT" of people does not make it correct that they were anything alike in scope or number of angered customers.
Think before counterposting, and do some reading of your own. By your own admission, you are ignorant on the issue, yet you still make claims based on what you do not know. That's shaky ground for an argument.
Truth and accuracy = win.
I didnt miss a thing. I CAN EQUATE THE TWO.
Fact 1: Trinity is making changes to just about EVERY aspect of this game. Fact 2: EVERYONE in this patch is getting nerfed in some way or another. Fact 3: Because of the above two ALOT could qualify as the majority of EVE.
Now lets play numbers. lets say SWG had a million players and Eve only had a hundred thousand. It doesnt matter what the changes were because 50% of both can equate on scale because the ratios are still the same. Half of one is still half of the other. The pie might be larger on the other, but you can still compare the two pies.
Now, if after all that you can still cant figure out that your wrong, then there is no helping you.
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Tarminic
Forsaken Resistance
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Posted - 2007.11.14 00:32:00 -
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Originally by: Riley Craven Fact 1: Trinity is making changes to just about EVERY aspect of this game. Fact 2: EVERYONE in this patch is getting nerfed in some way or another. Fact 3: Because of the above two ALOT could qualify as the majority of EVE.
Can you explain how I'm getting nerfed? I'm a Gallentean drone/industry specialist, I primarily fly a Hulk and a Dominix and live in low-sec aside from occasional trips into high-sec to run missions.
My friend is a Minmatar battleship pilot who primarily runs missions in empire space, and specializes in gunnery and shield tanking. How is he getting nerfed? ---------------- Tarminic - 29 Million SP in pink Forum Warfare |
Riley Craven
Caldari Sunshine Carebear Crew
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Posted - 2007.11.14 00:37:00 -
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Edited by: Riley Craven on 14/11/2007 00:37:39
Originally by: Tarminic
Originally by: Riley Craven Fact 1: Trinity is making changes to just about EVERY aspect of this game. Fact 2: EVERYONE in this patch is getting nerfed in some way or another. Fact 3: Because of the above two ALOT could qualify as the majority of EVE.
Can you explain how I'm getting nerfed? I'm a Gallentean drone/industry specialist, I primarily fly a Hulk and a Dominix and live in low-sec aside from occasional trips into high-sec to run missions.
My friend is a Minmatar battleship pilot who primarily runs missions in empire space, and specializes in gunnery and shield tanking. How is he getting nerfed?
Drones dont rep sheilds instantly anymore. Mission runners also get shafted on loot collection because of the module volume nerf... You can list all the examples you want, but I can think of something for any of them because the changes are really that extensive.
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Tarminic
Forsaken Resistance
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Posted - 2007.11.14 00:43:00 -
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Originally by: Riley Craven Edited by: Riley Craven on 14/11/2007 00:37:39
Originally by: Tarminic
Originally by: Riley Craven Fact 1: Trinity is making changes to just about EVERY aspect of this game. Fact 2: EVERYONE in this patch is getting nerfed in some way or another. Fact 3: Because of the above two ALOT could qualify as the majority of EVE.
Can you explain how I'm getting nerfed? I'm a Gallentean drone/industry specialist, I primarily fly a Hulk and a Dominix and live in low-sec aside from occasional trips into high-sec to run missions.
My friend is a Minmatar battleship pilot who primarily runs missions in empire space, and specializes in gunnery and shield tanking. How is he getting nerfed?
Drones dont rep sheilds instantly anymore. Mission runners also get shafted on loot collection because of the module volume nerf... You can list all the examples you want, but I can think of something for any of them because the changes are really that extensive.
My friend uses a destroyer to collect loot, and generally he get less than 200 M^3 per mission so the volume increases won't have much of an impact on him. The way he uses his drones they don't come under fire anyway so neither of those has a significant effect on him.
I use sentry drones on occasion so I'll probably sacrifice a few high slots for remote shield transfers, but the impact is still pretty minimal. ---------------- Tarminic - 29 Million SP in pink Forum Warfare |
Turin
Caldari Eternity INC. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2007.11.14 00:55:00 -
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Edited by: Turin on 14/11/2007 00:57:21 Edited by: Turin on 14/11/2007 00:56:15
Originally by: Tarminic
Originally by: Riley Craven Fact 1: Trinity is making changes to just about EVERY aspect of this game. Fact 2: EVERYONE in this patch is getting nerfed in some way or another. Fact 3: Because of the above two ALOT could qualify as the majority of EVE.
Can you explain how I'm getting nerfed? I'm a Gallentean drone/industry specialist, I primarily fly a Hulk and a Dominix and live in low-sec aside from occasional trips into high-sec to run missions.
My friend is a Minmatar battleship pilot who primarily runs missions in empire space, and specializes in gunnery and shield tanking. How is he getting nerfed?
your still being nerfed though. Regardless of how it effects you, the nerf is still there.
This might be the first patch in EVE where its shorter to list the things they are leaving alone instead of the things they are nerfing.
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Arenis Xemdal
Amarr
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Posted - 2007.11.14 01:00:00 -
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It says on my EVE box: GAME EXPERIENCE MAY CHANGE DURING ONLINE PLAY. I'm pretty sure it says that in the EULA too. Yet people keep subscribing to MMOs, thinking it won't get balanced. Thats part of the fun in playing MMOs to begin with, and people still continue to fear it. And in my opinion they should be tweaking it a lot more, and a lot faster.
All you really need to shut people's mouths permanently is making them play one month of Gemini. You might not agree on changes but on the whole the game has been improving for years. The only thing to complain about is that CCP likes to take a step back for every two steps forward. And trust me, the things that set this game back are typically things which people will applaud and rejoice over - until it screws things up to a point that it also becomes visible! Smarter people than I have been making this observation since the days of the MUD.
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Karlemgne
The Black Fleet
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Posted - 2007.11.14 01:01:00 -
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Originally by: Jenny Spitfire Edited by: Jenny Spitfire on 13/11/2007 22:06:12
Originally by: Karlemgne ...
Well said.
The bottom line is SWG did not die and its current playerbase is proof that the game is fun to play post-NGE.
EDIT: o.O you work for Blizzard?
Because I like what I do, my employer will remain nameless. I do however, live in Southern California, and have worked on an MMO. That should narrow it down to a distinct number of possibilities.
Yes, that's right, I could lose my job just saying who I work for on CCP's forums.
-Karl
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Karlemgne
The Black Fleet
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Posted - 2007.11.14 01:09:00 -
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Originally by: Turin No, Im disagreeing that a carrier is a solo wtfpwnmobile.
And btw, a degree doesnt make you smart. I know plenty of people who should use their diplomas to wipe their arse with. It would be more useful to them.
you might be right about Marxism. I dont know. Poly Sci was not my strong area. I was History / Comp Sci. But I know your wrong about carriers. :)
That's the beauty of Marxism, friend. I accompanies not just political science, but also Philosophy, Literature, Sociology, Art, **** damn near everything. And it is still important in the land of producing knowledge (the Academy) as well as in the homes of people living in the third world.
As for the Carrier bit, we agree to disagree. :) I am not overly sympathetic to large alliances who live in 0.0 who are a very small part of the eve community, and I'm certainly not sympathetic to MoM pilots.
-Karl
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Purgatori
Minmatar The Illuminati. Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.11.14 02:14:00 -
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jedi in armor was lulz :) best crafting system in any mmo tbh
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Tigercrane
Minmatar Republic Military School
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Posted - 2007.11.14 02:23:00 -
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There is no comparision between CCP and SOE. SOE ****** up SWG on a grand, massive scale. They gave jedi to anyone who wanted one, just by choosing it a char creation, they have smugglers who can't smuggle(are you ******* kidding me?!) and they took spice out of the game because of moral concerns, meanwhile, everyone is running around with a blaster or lightsaber killing people...GAH!! They really, really ****** it up but good. CCP actually cares about eve, they try to make it better. If these changes don't have the desired effect, they will change the changes until they get it right, of this I have no doubt. this is the only MMO I actually find worth the money.
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Kavol Valarius
Amarr Unity of Honor
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Posted - 2007.11.14 02:40:00 -
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I hate to say it.. but it's the one thing Second Life is good for. If you left SWG but still long for Star Wars roleplay.. go to Second Life. There is a huge, vibrant, Star Wars community there. Simulators (planets) are player-owned and player-run, they go up and down all the time, but it's a decent timewaster.
I used to run my own sim of Byss there, but it got far too expensive to keep that dedicated server running.
Just a FYI for the Star Wars people in the thread. -----
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Terianna Eri
Amarr STK Scientific Black-Out
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Posted - 2007.11.14 03:28:00 -
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Okay, never having played SWG, someone explain the following two things here:
SOE NGE
And what's this about how it was hard to become jedi and then it was easy and ??? Seriously I've looked online and I can't figure out wtf you guys are talking about __________________________________
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Riley Craven
Caldari Sunshine Carebear Crew
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Posted - 2007.11.14 04:28:00 -
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Originally by: Turin Edited by: Turin on 14/11/2007 00:57:21 Edited by: Turin on 14/11/2007 00:56:15
Originally by: Tarminic
Originally by: Riley Craven Fact 1: Trinity is making changes to just about EVERY aspect of this game. Fact 2: EVERYONE in this patch is getting nerfed in some way or another. Fact 3: Because of the above two ALOT could qualify as the majority of EVE.
Can you explain how I'm getting nerfed? I'm a Gallentean drone/industry specialist, I primarily fly a Hulk and a Dominix and live in low-sec aside from occasional trips into high-sec to run missions.
My friend is a Minmatar battleship pilot who primarily runs missions in empire space, and specializes in gunnery and shield tanking. How is he getting nerfed?
your still being nerfed though. Regardless of how it effects you, the nerf is still there.
This might be the first patch in EVE where its shorter to list the things they are leaving alone instead of the things they are nerfing.
I'll give you one (1) isk if you can name something that wont be getting changed in this patch or that wont affect someone in some way.... :)
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Robstr
Solar Storm
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Posted - 2007.11.14 05:54:00 -
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This thread is funny. Someone actually compared CCP to some kinds of communists that want to redistribute wealth with the coming patch.
Man, even though we all get riled up so much about this game. Let's remember it's a game. Lets remember your 15 whatevers a month do not entitle your specific ship or play style a right to be outright better than someone else's. We pay too.
I'm a vet. I've been around since exodus. As a gallente pilot(whatever the avatar may say) I'm getting hit by a number of these nerfs (Eos that out DPSs field commands, you will be missed). I don't see it as an issue, I'll fly any of a number of other ships that mostly use the same skill reqs(astarte, ishtar ect.), or I'll still fly the other one in the way it was where intended instead of the FOTM I got sucked into. Someone thinking rationally should see that this isn't doomsday, for EVE or even you Mr. I spent all my isks on motherships, really. These changes are well motivated and, while sometimes they may miss their mark, I'm not going to get all ****y at CCP about it, I'll be constructive. ====
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Terianna Eri
Amarr STK Scientific Black-Out
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Posted - 2007.11.14 08:54:00 -
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Originally by: Riley Craven
Originally by: Turin Edited by: Turin on 14/11/2007 00:57:21 Edited by: Turin on 14/11/2007 00:56:15
Originally by: Tarminic
Originally by: Riley Craven Fact 1: Trinity is making changes to just about EVERY aspect of this game. Fact 2: EVERYONE in this patch is getting nerfed in some way or another. Fact 3: Because of the above two ALOT could qualify as the majority of EVE.
Can you explain how I'm getting nerfed? I'm a Gallentean drone/industry specialist, I primarily fly a Hulk and a Dominix and live in low-sec aside from occasional trips into high-sec to run missions.
My friend is a Minmatar battleship pilot who primarily runs missions in empire space, and specializes in gunnery and shield tanking. How is he getting nerfed?
your still being nerfed though. Regardless of how it effects you, the nerf is still there.
This might be the first patch in EVE where its shorter to list the things they are leaving alone instead of the things they are nerfing.
I'll give you one (1) isk if you can name something that wont be getting changed in this patch or that wont affect someone in some way.... :)
A close-range zealot is unchanged, as it certinly doesn't fit tracking computers, sensor boosters, damps, or tracking disruptors, and it doesn't have any drones.
Well, except for the graphics of course :) __________________________________
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