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d026
THE LEGION OF STEEL WARRIORS.... R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2007.11.15 17:31:00 -
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Originally by: John Blackthorn
Short range with a max of about 30km
actually this is nos completely accurate. torps can travel 30k max. but this does not actually mean that they have a effective 30k range. for example if you are at 30k shooting a target moving away from you at 1m/s you will never hit it due to the missile burning out at 30k while the target is allready at 30,003k . So max range is relative to the targets movement and speed.
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d026
THE LEGION OF STEEL WARRIORS.... R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2007.11.16 04:34:00 -
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Originally by: Gamesguy Missiles do full damage as long as they hit(not accounting sig radius and such ofc).
You meant: Missiles dont always hit (burn out before impact) or dont do much damage on impact (target movig fast).
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d026
THE LEGION OF STEEL WARRIORS.... R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2007.11.16 11:40:00 -
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Edited by: d026 on 16/11/2007 11:40:07
Quote: * Got the best sniper, rohk
better snipers come to mind:
mega = better dps and its a tier 2 bs... abaddon = much better dps tempest = much better alpha
i rarely see any rokhs i our fleet.. it even gets discuraged using a rokh from our fc's.
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d026
THE LEGION OF STEEL WARRIORS.... R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2007.11.16 13:53:00 -
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Originally by: Gamesguy
Originally by: d026 Edited by: d026 on 16/11/2007 11:40:07
Quote: * Got the best sniper, rohk
better snipers come to mind:
mega = better dps and its a tier 2 bs... abaddon = much better dps tempest = much better alpha
i rarely see any rokhs i our fleet.. it even gets discuraged using a rokh from our fc's.
Rokh is basically mega level dps, the difference is pretty small, non-existent if the rokh uses shorter ranged faction ammo.
Its a decent boat, and better than mega vs cruisers and such, but that doesnt really justifies the additional cost.
on a regular fit w/ spike the mega outtracks and outdps the rokh. btu you are right the rokh heavily outtracks the mega using faction ammo.. besides the mega is much cheaper and more comfortable to fly and does not need a ancy router/rcu to fit its guns..
probably the comming tarcking comp change will give the rokh a lil more omph nerfing the megas tracking ability further at +190k..
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d026
THE LEGION OF STEEL WARRIORS.... R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2007.11.16 14:08:00 -
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Originally by: Gamesguy
This is a raven with the new torp changes
6x Siege Missile Launcher II (CN torpedos)
1x Quad Lif MWD 1x Warp Disruptor II 1x Large Extender II 2x Invul II 1x Fleeting web
3x BCU II 1x 1600mm plate 1x DCU II
2x TP-900, 2x Hammerhead IIs, 1x Hobgoblin II.
3x Core Defense Field Extender I
1030 DPS, max velocity 1013 m/s, effective hp 106k.
i dont quite like this setup, i'd leave the tackling to others. fitting webs and scrams just gimps you to much imho.. but well sure its possible. raven will be much better in gangs and completely ueber if you have somebody painting for you giving you another lse II/hardener.
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d026
THE LEGION OF STEEL WARRIORS.... R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2007.11.21 01:17:00 -
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Originally by: Gamesguy
It was a rhetorical question you idiot.
i love your lovely tone:)
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d026
THE LEGION OF STEEL WARRIORS.... R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2007.11.22 11:57:00 -
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Edited by: d026 on 22/11/2007 11:59:54
Originally by: JesterWiLD
Originally by: Gamesguy
No you idiot. 2x invul+1x large extender+ a 1600mm plate+dcu and 3 extender rigs gives the raven around 106k effective hp. Which is the same as the mega with 3 dmg mods(both ships have 3 dmg mods), 4 slot buffer tank(plate plate eanm dcu) and 3 trimarks(105k effective hp).
So... learn to play?
Lol do I look like a complete idiot to you!? Nice, but ultimatly pathetic use of eve fit tool, you tool. With all level 5 skills a raven can get that yes. But, as youve never tried to make a buffer raven and fly it it doesnt work. Your sig radius is so huge that a blaster thron will get wrecking shots 1 every volly, and another raven wouldnt even need a tp for rage torps. Also your dual buffering wich is a laugh, and you still have no mwd so outside of 15km your target can run and warp. unlike with a bufferd thron. Also raven still does not have the versatility or max dmg that the thron has.
Again ur buffer tank is not as good as what the caldari raven can pull off with an active tank. though yes its got takle mods Ill repeat myself for the sake of you.... The cookie cutter armor buffer templates dont work as well on a caldari as they do on a armor tank of any other race.
Oh, before I forget, both setups? the thron has more dps, and thats not even counting the throns drones ewar or otherwise. it can kill nano setups, and can also haul ass and run if necessary. So that means the thron is still better. just not flat out hands down anymore. Fly a raven before you think you can use eft to make a setup for one.
no buffer tank is the way to go. i agree with the nasty gamesguy (stilll i think his setups suck but imho i just prefer to play differn perhaps:). anway lets check:
with my buffer tank i can achieve 120k efective hp while still having 115hp/s passive. with a active tank and full gank you never gonna be competitive against the above stats why? With full gank and active tank the best tank you can fit consist of x-l II, cap injector, 2 x invul giving you a whoopy 450hp/s cap stable for 2 mins givibg you arround 100k effective hp after 2 mins. To fitt such tank you eitehr need 2 x anci router and 2 x co-processor I x or 1 x anci router and 1 pdu and 1 dg co-processor. So you need to spend ****load on fitting mods, sacrificing 2 high slots (arround 100 dps) and end up with less hp than the buffer tank.
but please tell me a setup with TP AND MWD (trust me with a effective torp range arround 5-25k you will need one!) that can effectively fit a sustainable active tank:)
imho the only way to go active is if you fit cruise missiles leaving you enough grid/cpu and especially 2 additional mids AND lows for tank.
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d026
THE LEGION OF STEEL WARRIORS.... R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2007.11.22 12:08:00 -
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Originally by: Gypsio III Yes, you do look like an idiot. Buffer tank is generally best for BS, the Raven will be no different
i bolded it for you:)
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