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Arekhon Mutually Assured Distraction	Posted - 2007.11.14 06:38:00 - [31] meh in eve as in RL you deal with all kinds of people, if someone wants to smack I let him, albeit i 'll have less respect for those that do... though there is a diffrence between banter and smack -your neighborhood pirate Dirty Deeds Done Dirt Cheap [BEES]
Jonny Chimpo Chimpo Holding	Posted - 2007.11.14 06:44:00 - [32] Originally by: Atreides Horza ... and to you I say, I don't care what's good for your geese or your gander - and I'm not bothered with the altitude of the moral high ground from which you look down upon me. At the end of the day, your smacktalking @ss is still nothing but a flying meal ticket to me and mine. I see every harsh insult as a merit badge. Every hatemail is a medal. Each death threat is a decoration. After all, it tells me I'm doing my job right. :) QFT I'm so jacking that quote for my sig Non-consensual is the only way for me Originally by: Ancient Pistol ----------------------------------------------- At the end of the day, your smacktalking @ss is still nothing but a flying me
techzer0 IDLE GUNS	Posted - 2007.11.14 06:46:00 - [33] Really is funny how much more smacktalk you'll get for doing absolutely nothing with a negative sec status. It's like a magnet... before I hit -5.0 I would be ratting belts in highsec and people would start following me through system, talking stupid in local because they were worried I would steal from their miner buddies, even after showing no intention of doing so. (Not that I wouldn't, but I wasn't looking for miners). Of course I stole from them after being goaded into it, but then couldn't get a fight out of them. Same goes for being -10... I can be minding my own business, not hunting anyone and someone will come up with something stupid to say to me "lolz nice try, better luck next time noob pirate". Why should I need better luck, i'm flashing red and have to tank sentries if I engage at a gate (kinda like a never ending 2vs1, eh?). I don't mind most smacktalkers, but the majority I see are from no-name corps or alliances who like to smack about how a pirate flying solo is a wuss because he won't engage 1vs5 after they'd been jumped earlier in the day. And of course the alt-scout smacktalkers... great fun that they are... Podding them out of local is almost not worth it anymore to me, or at least posting the killmail for a shuttle isn't anymore. ____________________ Hi. I'm not an alt :)
Gix Firebrand Caldari Beets and Gravy Syndicate	Posted - 2007.11.14 07:59:00 - [34] Smacktalk doesn't bother me, it just puzzles me sometimes. I share Plunder's pain. I was solo camping a gate and I managed to take out a drake while under fire from 2 ravens and sentries. I got away with like 76% struc left and they still called me a coward. It made me laugh out loud, literally. I mean.. come on? Don't I get some credit for basically a 4vs1? The other smack thats golden is always the carrier threat. People seem to think that it makes them look big. However, it usually fails when you call them on it. "Not worth the fuel" etc. If you weren't willing to pull it out, don't talk about it. And the alt smack is always worth a few laughs. Truly, smack makes it worth being a pirate.
RuleoftheBone Minmatar Veto. Veto Corp	Posted - 2007.11.14 08:25:00 - [35] Ignoring the trash followed by squishing the pod usually works for me . "Lead Me..Follow Me..Or get the **** out of my way" General George Patton USA
Orion Eridanus Dark Nova Crisis	Posted - 2007.11.14 08:31:00 - [36] Don't forget the I know where your POS is threat as well. If more than half my corp doesnt know where my POS is and unless you randomly came across it(I highly doubt it) why even try to pull this card. It's been 5 months and I'm still waiting for the POS is under attack mail by a certain alliance that shall remain nameless. Originally by: Paulo Damarr That is a most Excellent Drake fitting, you are lucky to have survived.
Arekhon Mutually Assured Distraction	Posted - 2007.11.14 08:31:00 - [37] I guess the main thing that miffs me about smackers is that they are like the "guys who yells at someone on the phone" when they know damn well they would never say something like that to them in person.... of course there will be plenty of peeps after this post to say " I would too say that in person"....yea right Dirty Deeds Done Dirt Cheap [BEES]
Krist Valentine Amarr Veto. Academy Veto Corp	Posted - 2007.11.14 08:39:00 - [38] Originally by: Tha Pusher Originally by: Leilani Solaris So because people play a game a certain way means they should have to take abuse from people for doing it? Funny, thats exactly what the victims of some of these pirates say after they get upset for having their mining barge blown up, only to be responded with the typical 'eve is hell newbie, go play wow' response. The real answer is cuz it hurts their epeen, so go on and smack talk away and watch their blood boil, good for you. I love how you keep saying 'THEY'. How many times have you been the smacktalker in question, I wonder.
Galan Amarias Amarr Vendetta Underground Rule of Three	Posted - 2007.11.14 09:59:00 - [39] I don't get all that much smack, bad piracy I guess. There was this one time when I failed to kill a stabbed indy in a belt. He let lose a string of insults that would have made Dave Chapell blush. It was hilarious, I couldn't believe someone would get that worked up over having survived an attack. When I get threatened I usually silently hope they carry through, it means more pew pew. With smack talk I usually warn the smacker that profanity is a EULA violation and someone else may well petition the behavior. Then I like to offer an honest critique of their ship or some advice on how not to be so easily ganked. -Galan The answer to empire ganking
Redbad Minmatar Mean Corp	Posted - 2007.11.14 11:02:00 - [40] If you don't understand that shooting with your Mouth isn't as effective as shooting with your autocannons, you are bound to be ganked. I love people that smack, most of the time I reply random words and sentences back in local. Keeps them occupied reading my gibberish while we probe them down at their safespot. Priceless.

Grunanca Fusion Mercenaries The Red Skull	Posted - 2007.11.14 11:25:00 - [41] Originally by: Redbad If you don't understand that shooting with your Mouth isn't as effective as shooting with your autocannons, you are bound to be ganked. I love people that smack, most of the time I reply random words and sentences back in local. Keeps them occupied reading my gibberish while we probe them down at their safespot. Priceless. Yeah, worked great on that Ishtar sitting 300km off the belt
William DeMeo Gallente the united	Posted - 2007.11.14 11:26:00 - [42] Originally by: Curzon Dax Originally by: Leilani Solaris So because people play a game a certain way means they should have to take abuse from people for doing it? Yes. If your chosen playstyle is to abuse other people via pirating, you should expect to get abused back. you fail. Why? Yarr
Kane Rizzel NovaKane Incorporated Derek Knows Us	Posted - 2007.11.14 11:35:00 - [43] I don't mind smack if it's creative or even slightly humorous. We had a n00b character flying around a system a while back in a Rifter with a WCS. He was smacking in local how none of the big bad pirates could catch a 1 month old pilot in a Rifter, got really annoying tbh. I went and grabbed a 2 point Rifter, came back and removed him from local. Haven't heard from him since. I have been guilty recently of smacking to try and get a fight out of certain anti pies but the Blob prevails Smacking after a kill, Hatemail and Deaththreats are par for the course, some people love there pixels too much. Originally by: High Sierra note to self: dont ever say anything to anyone on the internet about anything ever again.
William DeMeo Gallente the united	Posted - 2007.11.14 11:40:00 - [44] Originally by: Kane Rizzel I don't mind smack if it's creative or even slightly humorous. We had a n00b character flying around a system a while back in a Rifter with a WCS. He was smacking in local how none of the big bad pirates could catch a 1 month old pilot in a Rifter, got really annoying tbh. I went and grabbed a 2 point Rifter, came back and removed him from local. Haven't heard from him since. I have been guilty recently of smacking to try and get a fight out of certain anti pies but the Blob prevails Smacking after a kill, Hatemail and Deaththreats are par for the course, some people love there pixels too much. it feels good killing smacktalking stab*****s. Yarr
Stuart Price Caldari Havoc Inc	Posted - 2007.11.14 16:04:00 - [45] Strangely the only time I've been directly smacked by a victim is when we dropped on a flashy red snipe abaddon and even then it was tame. Even the two unescorted freighter kills didn't result in smack. Nor the missionrunning bs's. What am I doing wrong? Having said that the funniest one was when a few corpies dropped a mission Raven and his alt account Falcon (!). He didn't smack them, he smacked the people in local he'd called for help through the anti-pie channel! "I got soul but I'm not a soldier"
Omarvelous Destry's Lounge	Posted - 2007.11.14 17:04:00 - [46] I have a personal policy of not smacking others but I do like to post other people's smack in my bio - it makes me happy I'm also a fan of my corpmate's 'smacking' when he told a Dominix pilot that he was lucky he didn't decide to destroy him with his Merlin. __________________________________________________ Sup brosef! Destry's Lounge is looking for a few good drunks - contact me in game.
milinkoee Bastage Incorporated THORN Alliance	Posted - 2007.11.14 17:21:00 - [47] Originally by: Ancient Pistol I find that tough pirates aren't so "tough" when noob victims fire back with a little verbal ammunition of their own. What's the deal? These people can tell their victims, "well it's your fault for [being in 0.0/being in lowsec/being in my target range]." Well to them I say: a little smack talk is what you get for choosing a life of piracy. What's good for the goose is good for the gander. If you're not "tough" enough to take a little smack talk, then you shouldn't have been a pirate in the first place. Are you kidding me? I do it for the smack and hate mail. In fact I find that if you ignore any private convo's after killing them they quickly escalate in local or evemail to the real juicy and bio worthy stuff. Bastage, Inc. Worst Pirates Ever!!!
Ancient Pistol	Posted - 2007.11.14 17:33:00 - [48] Originally by: Atreides Horza It ***es us off because you carebears have been provided with every possible means of humping ISK wherever and whenever you choose in perfect safety, and still you feel the need to be smug about it when warp core stabs or logoffski saves the day. The efforts of those few of you who actually choose to fight it out or accepts the loss of your ship to lack of attention or incompetence are diluted by the - and I sht you not - daily dozens of people who are alive and thriving in an environment where those willing to invest minimum effort are rewarded with maximum income. Order of the day for those who choose to live by the sword in losec is warp core stabs even on combat ships, cloaks on everything with a high slot, massive blobs, disproportionate responses, ridiculous passive tanks and shifty game mechanics that favours those with equally shifty testicular fortitude. A lot of pirates - especially the ones who can't yet fly solo pwnmobile command ships isk- or skillwize, or don't have the quintessential blob to rely on - I think, are increasingly ***ed off by the level of difficulty in getting by, even when they put everything they have on the line, while the game gildens the @sses of people unwilling to risk anything but the odd chance of being bored whring complexes and mission agents in high sec. My my, look who's bitter...
MirrorGod Heretic Army	Posted - 2007.11.14 17:50:00 - [49] I smack and I love smack from my victims. Myself and the soldiers literally feed off of hatemail. We're putting up a division just for hatemail on our forums in fact, hall of fame kind of thing. That said, we don't smack PvP'rs and pirates who are equal or above us. In any good fight we say good fight, we show respect where it's due, and many times where I've been ganked by other pirates I'll congratulate them. In this manner, smack from a noob who is ignorant to PvP or for that matter even fitting a ship properly, is out of order. While we laugh at it, you're moving up on our list of favorite victims. Our favorite victims stand to earn fabulous prizes such as wardecs, special griefing attention, and anything else we can think up. Moar hatemail plox.
Ki An Gallente Filiolus Of Bellum	Posted - 2007.11.14 18:08:00 - [50] Originally by: Atreides Horza Edited by: Atreides Horza on 14/11/2007 06:43:18 Originally by: Ancient Pistol I find that tough pirates aren't so "tough" when noob victims fire back with a little verbal ammunition of their own. What's the deal? These people can tell their victims, "well it's your fault for [being in 0.0/being in lowsec/being in my target range]." It ***es us off because you carebears have been provided with every possible means of humping ISK wherever and whenever you choose in perfect safety, and still you feel the need to be smug about it when warp core stabs or logoffski saves the day. The efforts of those few of you who actually choose to fight it out or accepts the loss of your ship to lack of attention or incompetence are diluted by the - and I sht you not - daily dozens of people who are alive and thriving in an environment where those willing to invest minimum effort are rewarded with maximum income. Order of the day for those who choose to live by the sword in losec is warp core stabs even on combat ships, cloaks on everything with a high slot, massive blobs, disproportionate responses, ridiculous passive tanks and shifty game mechanics that favours those with equally shifty testicular fortitude. A lot of pirates - especially the ones who can't yet fly solo pwnmobile command ships isk- or skillwize, or don't have the quintessential blob to rely on - I think, are increasingly ***ed off by the level of difficulty in getting by, even when they put everything they have on the line, while the game gildens the @sses of people unwilling to risk anything but the odd chance of being bored whring complexes and mission agents in high sec. Originally by: Ancient Pistol Well to them I say: a little smack talk is what you get for choosing a life of piracy. What's good for the goose is good for the gander. If you're not "tough" enough to take a little smack talk, then you shouldn't have been a pirate in the first place. ... and to you I say, I don't care what's good for your geese or your gander - and I'm not bothered with the altitude of the moral high ground from which you look down upon me. At the end of the day, your smacktalking @ss is still nothing but a flying meal ticket to me and mine. I see every harsh insult as a merit badge. Every hatemail is a medal. Each death threat is a decoration. After all, it tells me I'm doing my job right. :) I was going to post in this thread and be really angry and tough with the OP, but then I read this post and it sort of defused my anger. Well written and to the point. The OP should read this as a general answer to his question. Or he can just realize that he has no argument and call the poster 'bitter'. Either way works. Beware: I'm a "viscous pirate"!

Ancient Pistol	Posted - 2007.11.14 18:41:00 - [51] Originally by: Ki An I was going to post in this thread and be really angry and tough with the OP, but then I read this post and it sort of defused my anger. Well written and to the point. The OP should read this as a general answer to his question. I get it. The pirate's life is hard. No love for the poor pirate. Right? Originally by: Ki An Or he can just realize that he has no argument and call the poster 'bitter'. Either way works. Take a look at that well-written response again. Name-calling, profanity, and resentment: I would call that 'bitter.' I was asking an honest question in the OP, and I got a wide variety of answers. Good enough for me. I'm really only playing this game for fun, whether that's a "good fight," a "good chase," or "good dialog." Witty smack talk fits into the latter. When I'm skilled for bigger guns and better ships, maybe I can have a "good fight," but for now it's only the chase and the dialog that I have access to. I know the difference between role-playing and abuse: it's a pity that so many players can't tell the difference -- predator and prey alike. To both pirates and victims I say, "Don't take it so personally." Of course many of you have already taken this advice, and good for you. I couldn't care less about losing a ship or a few named mods. It's only ISK, and I'm not into trading ISK for dollars anyway, so what's a few million ISK to me? Originally by: Ki An Beware, I'm a "Viscous Pirate"! 'Viscous' like molasses?
Ki An Gallente Filiolus Of Bellum	Posted - 2007.11.14 19:26:00 - [52] Originally by: Ancient Pistol I get it. The pirate's life is hard. No love for the poor pirate. Right? Wouldn't call it hard. It's good fun, but it's playing the game at a higher difficulty setting than Empire carebears, that's for sure. To each his own. Originally by: Ancient Pistol Take a look at that well-written response again. Name-calling, profanity, and resentment: I would call that 'bitter.' I'd say he's got every right to take the tone he does given the tone you yourself took in the OP, where you effectively put yourself on a moral piedestal and talked down to the "little pirates". Originally by: Ancient Pistol I was asking an honest question in the OP, and I got a wide variety of answers. Good enough for me. Nice. Next time you want to ask an honest question, just ask the question without insulting half of Eve's community in the process. Originally by: Ancient Pistol I'm really only playing this game for fun, whether that's a "good fight," a "good chase," or "good dialog." Witty smack talk fits into the latter. When I'm skilled for bigger guns and better ships, maybe I can have a "good fight," but for now it's only the chase and the dialog that I have access to. How sad that you believe that. Originally by: Ancient Pistol I know the difference between role-playing and abuse: it's a pity that so many players can't tell the difference -- predator and prey alike. To both pirates and victims I say, "Don't take it so personally." Of course many of you have already taken this advice, and good for you. Yes, it is too bad. Personally I ever only heard "petition worthy" smack from carebears such as yourself, but then again I don't know every pirate in Eve. Originally by: Ancient Pistol I couldn't care less about losing a ship or a few named mods. It's only ISK, and I'm not into trading ISK for dollars anyway, so what's a few million ISK to me? Good attitude to have. Then again, why smack if you don't care? Originally by: Ancient Pistol Originally by: Ki An Beware, I'm a "Viscous Pirate"! 'Viscous' like molasses? Yes, sort of like molasses. Beware: I'm a "viscous pirate"!
Ancient Pistol	Posted - 2007.11.14 19:43:00 - [53] Edited by: Ancient Pistol on 14/11/2007 19:45:01 Originally by: Ki An I'd say he's got every right to take the tone he does given the tone you yourself took in the OP, where you effectively put yourself on a moral piedestal and talked down to the "little pirates". ... Nice. Next time you want to ask an honest question, just ask the question without insulting half of Eve's community in the process. Like I've repeatedly said, I don't have a problem with most piracy. After all, it's how people choose to play the game. I just don't think it's "abusive" to talk back to someone who's trying to blow me up. I've edited the OP to clarify my intent. Originally by: Ancient Pistol I'm really only playing this game for fun, whether that's a "good fight," a "good chase," or "good dialog." Witty smack talk fits into the latter. When I'm skilled for bigger guns and better ships, maybe I can have a "good fight," but for now it's only the chase and the dialog that I have access to. Originally by: Ki An How sad that you believe that. I don't find anything "sad" about it at all. I'm still under a million SP's. You honestly think I can fit a ship for a "good fight"? Originally by: Ki An Yes, it is too bad. Personally I ever only heard "petition worthy" smack from carebears such as yourself, but then again I don't know every pirate in Eve. What exactly do you mean by "carebears such as yourself"? Please point out to me where I've said anything "petition worthy" whatsoever. Originally by: Ki An Good attitude to have. Then again, why smack if you don't care? The same reason why you've chosen a life of piracy. Because it's fun.
Whineroy	Posted - 2007.11.14 19:48:00 - [54] Originally by: Ki An (long bunch of self-righteous "pirate" elitism snipped) Higher difficulty setting ? Lol, that made my day... It seems that some people still remain either utterly clueless or utterly hypocritical about "pirates" using Motherships and similar to gatecamp, and otherwise doing their best to make sure that their activities involve zero risk. It is perfectly understandable, piracy is about making profit and avoiding risks, yet it is completely hypocritical and moronic to whine about "risk avoiding carebears" when said "carebears" only avoid risks themselves. For supposedly RL-mature players, many "pirates" sure keep acting like nerds with ego issues, constantly and desperately boasting about how they are a superior form of Eve player whom everyone should fear and respect. Pitiful, plain pitiful.
Centinel 6 Amarr The Black Rabbits The Gurlstas Associates	Posted - 2007.11.14 20:06:00 - [55] I personally dont mind smacktalkin its not something we do in TBR but I dont mind if I get smacked, I find some of the things said comical. But when I get tired of all the smack, I squish the POD and end it. Squishing the POD is underated. Quote: Noone here gets...out alive
Bobby Orange	Posted - 2007.11.14 20:28:00 - [56] I love smacktalk. Most of it I hear from is from people who really should not have ventured into low sec. Odds are that first jump or so and you'll be fine. Then after that Pirates become more frequent. And end up being liberated from their ship and pod. When I've been podkilled a fair bunch despite being a neutral player, and the usual only thing I say when I lose and get ganked and that is that it's my own damn fault. Varying on the smacktalk and abuse, I either laugh and give them a rebuttal shooting down half of what they said (I love the line of "you little piece of <Insert swear words here>" mails) or go about my day because I feel that they're unworthy of a reaction. They usually go in unabashed form on my bio under 'Happy customers'
Ki An Gallente Filiolus Of Bellum	Posted - 2007.11.14 20:39:00 - [57] Originally by: Ancient Pistol Like I've repeatedly said, I don't have a problem with most piracy. After all, it's how people choose to play the game. I just don't think it's "abusive" to talk back to someone who's trying to blow me up. I've edited the OP to clarify my intent. It is good that you understood that what you originally wrote might have been interpreted as a severe case of "sore ass" smack. Originally by: Ancient Pistol I don't find anything "sad" about it at all. I'm still under a million SP's. You honestly think I can fit a ship for a "good fight"? Yes, definately. I started PvPing on my first day. That was with the old starting SP which put me on about 200k sp iirc. If you want tips on setups and tactics, feel free to message me in game. Originally by: Ancient Pistol What exactly do you mean by "carebears such as yourself"? Please point out to me where I've said anything "petition worthy" whatsoever. "Such as yourself" does not equal "you". You may or may not have said anything petition worthy, but all of the smack I have heard that was clearly against the EULA came not from pirates, but... how shall I put it... non-pirates. I made the assumption you where not a pirate from your original OP. Originally by: Ancient Pistol The same reason why you've chosen a life of piracy. Because it's fun. Yes, smack can be fun to a certain degree. Most people tend to cross the line every once in a while though. It has a way of being a spiralling thing where it starts out inoscent enough, but ends up with RL threats and such. Beware: I'm a "viscous pirate"!
Ki An Gallente Filiolus Of Bellum	Posted - 2007.11.14 20:40:00 - [58] Originally by: Whineroy Higher difficulty setting ? Lol, that made my day... It seems that some people still remain either utterly clueless or utterly hypocritical about "pirates" using Motherships and similar to gatecamp, and otherwise doing their best to make sure that their activities involve zero risk. It is perfectly understandable, piracy is about making profit and avoiding risks, yet it is completely hypocritical and moronic to whine about "risk avoiding carebears" when said "carebears" only avoid risks themselves. For supposedly RL-mature players, many "pirates" sure keep acting like nerds with ego issues, constantly and desperately boasting about how they are a superior form of Eve player whom everyone should fear and respect. Pitiful, plain pitiful. Oh, Whineroy, you are my favorite little cuddly carebear because you embody everything that I like to blow up about them. Beware: I'm a "viscous pirate"!
ViRUS Pottage Caldari byeee Corp Hydra Alliance	Posted - 2007.11.14 21:08:00 - [59] Edited by: ViRUS Pottage on 14/11/2007 21:08:52 I love the good 'ol 2 day old destroyer pilot after you kill him... I really, REALLY love his awesome ability to copy and paste his smacktalk and spam local, the best part is when all of a sudden he goes all quiet, after petitioning him. =] Most 'Tough' pirates dont actually get offended by smacktalk or abuse from younger players... like a few players have already pointed out, most of us are all taking the pis* out of you in corp chat, while you are thinking of your best insults. And like another person pointed out, when you click jump to jump into a lowsec/0.0 system, you get a warning... Dont click Yes if you dont wanna get owned on the other side. Please resize image to a maximum of 400 x 120, not exceeding 24000 bytes, ty. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] - Cortes
Neal Cassady Mutually Assured Distraction	Posted - 2007.11.14 21:35:00 - [60] my buddy once popped a hauler on a gate and the pilot stayed in local for four hours spamming his russian gibberish. that was a bit excessive.



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