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CountingCrow Spontaneous Defenestration	Posted - 2007.11.14 12:14:00 - [1] Nos is next to useless now, change it again... Noone is using nos anymore to any real extent. If ur gonna leave it like this, just delete nos from the game altogether...
N1fty Amarr Galactic Shipyards Inc HUZZAH FEDERATION	Posted - 2007.11.14 12:15:00 - [2] Originally by: CountingCrow Nos is next to useless now, change it again... Noone is using nos anymore to any real extent. If ur gonna leave it like this, just delete nos from the game altogether... My Curse wont like that very much. Remove whiners from the game is what I say, they help nobody. ============================================
M00dy Killed In Action The Crimson Federation	Posted - 2007.11.14 12:15:00 - [3] Are you saying that Fix should use nos more? I disagree, it sucks. RATatatatata
Minerva Vulcan Caldari The Nexus Foundation	Posted - 2007.11.14 12:16:00 - [4] Originally by: N1fty Remove whiners from the game is what I say, they help nobody. This tbfh. _______________________________ I need new voices in my head, To speak my secret evils with. I need new lovers in my bed, To be my friends and special pets.
Moghydin Confederation of Red Moon Red Moon Federation	Posted - 2007.11.14 12:18:00 - [5] Nos was nerfed because drone boats abused it beyond reason. After the nerf Nos boats were hit hardest, the irony is that it nerfed Amarr (overpowered race as everyone knows) because Gallente ships misused the module I think that on Amarr Recons NOS should work as it worked before the nerf as a "role bonus". Press alt+F4 to reduce lag
Orion Eridanus Dark Nova Crisis	Posted - 2007.11.14 12:28:00 - [6] Nos does what its supposed to do, except on some NPC rats and CONCORD, which didnt seem to be affected by the change. Nos was over used and neuts were underused. The Nos fix has corrected this situation and the Amarr recons are more effective now. Originally by: Paulo Damarr That is a most Excellent Drake fitting, you are lucky to have survived.
N1fty Amarr Galactic Shipyards Inc HUZZAH FEDERATION	Posted - 2007.11.14 12:33:00 - [7] Originally by: Orion Eridanus Nos does what its supposed to do, except on some NPC rats and CONCORD, which didnt seem to be affected by the change. Nos was over used and neuts were underused. The Nos fix has corrected this situation and the Amarr recons are more effective now. Well thats just not true. ============================================
Mr Li The Graduates	Posted - 2007.11.14 12:35:00 - [8] speaking of deleting modules, when are cap batteries going to the big fitting screen in the sky?
Liam Liam	Posted - 2007.11.14 12:36:00 - [9] Nos was over used and neuts were underused. The Nos fix has corrected this situation and the Amarr recons are more effective now. Don't you mean The Nos fix has reversed this situation with nuets now overused. The Amarr recons are more stuffed now ( Curse went from 110m to 60 m ) Time to nerf neuts I suppose ( will these nerfs ever end ? )
Theodolite Gallente	Posted - 2007.11.14 12:37:00 - [10] Originally by: CountingCrow Nos is next to useless now, change it again... Noone is using nos anymore to any real extent. If ur gonna leave it like this, just delete nos from the game altogether... Thank you for your well thought out and constructive arguments. It's been a pleasure to read them.

Law Enforcer Species 5618 R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.11.14 15:38:00 - [11] what a dork.
Dristra Amarr Shadows of the Dead Aftermath Alliance	Posted - 2007.11.14 15:59:00 - [12] As someone pointed out: giving the pilgrim and curse the bonus of "old" nos would make recon pilots happy. It's great being Amarr isn't it.
Xaen Caldari Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2007.11.14 16:08:00 - [13] Originally by: Dristra As someone pointed out: giving the pilgrim and curse the bonus of "old" nos would make recon pilots happy. The Amarr recons were absurd pwnmobiles before. Now, they're merely badass if used properly. -- Support fixing the EVE UI \| Suggest Jita fixes
MrTripps Gallente	Posted - 2007.11.14 16:14:00 - [14] Nos still works, but you have to play chicken with your capacitor. If you use MWDs and anti-matter blasters Nos is still a viable PVP mod. Not as good as it was (sadly), but not completely worthless. Certainty of death...small chance of success...what are we waiting for? - Gimli
Terail Zoqial	Posted - 2007.11.14 16:15:00 - [15] Originally by: N1fty Originally by: CountingCrow Nos is next to useless now, change it again... Noone is using nos anymore to any real extent. If ur gonna leave it like this, just delete nos from the game altogether... My Curse wont like that very much. Remove whiners from the game is what I say, they help nobody. /SIGNED!
Tarminic Forsaken Resistance	Posted - 2007.11.14 16:27:00 - [16] Funny, I can use my nos domi almost as effectively as before with a little thought. Perhaps you are the one that should be removed from the game? ---------------- Tarminic - 29 Million SP in ~~pink~~ Forum Warfare
Wu Jiun	Posted - 2007.11.14 16:28:00 - [17] Edited by: Wu Jiun on 14/11/2007 16:28:43 Well, they could at least fix the pg and cpu requirements too. I mean before the changes it might have been justified to take more pg than my low tier weapons, but nowadays? Seriously, ccp. Edit: Duh, whats with all these people trying to remove others from the game? Eve is a dark and harsh world but this is only the forums.
Wendat Huron Stellar Solutions	Posted - 2007.11.14 16:59:00 - [18] Is it that time again? In Soviet Russia Nos removes you! These forums are FUBAR, upgrade this decade!
Cailais Amarr W A R	Posted - 2007.11.14 18:13:00 - [19] Originally by: Orion Eridanus Nos does what its supposed to do, except on some NPC rats and CONCORD, which didnt seem to be affected by the change. Nos was over used and neuts were underused. The Nos fix has corrected this situation and the Amarr recons are more effective now. Thats the most hilarious, stupid, moronic statement Ive seen on the forums (and thats saying a lot). C. Originally by: Jenny Spitfire Dehumanisation - griefers are cool and if you are not a griefer, you do not belong here.
Kharadran Sullath Caldari IntoXication Inc	Posted - 2007.11.14 18:28:00 - [20] Exactly what was changed in the nerf? ./me has been out of the loop since July. ------ --Don't get saucy with me Bernaise!--

Riskalot Caldari	Posted - 2007.11.14 18:51:00 - [21] Originally by: Moghydin Nos was nerfed because drone boats abused it beyond reason. CCP SHOULD JUST to IMPLEMENT A SIMPLE "STACKING PENELITY" TO NOS AND ALL WOULD BE FINE! my 2 cents ________________________________ i'm a Signature. give meh colors!
Vitrael Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.11.14 18:52:00 - [22] Originally by: Kharadran Sullath Exactly what was changed in the nerf? ./me has been out of the loop since July. Nos can only lower the target's capacitor to a percentage equal to the attacker's capacitor. In other words, you can't nos a target empty with a full cap. Now nos are what they were designed to be: tank aids. If you are shield boosting heavily / double rep tanking and running very low on cap a full rack of nos is still devastating to your target. Neuts are still unspeakably deadly (especially from larger to smaller ships) and nos is their best counter.
Kharadran Sullath Caldari IntoXication Inc	Posted - 2007.11.14 19:31:00 - [23] Okay, I'm with ya. I can understand if the already lying down amarr pilots feel as if someone just landed another dropkick in their face, but it seems to be a fairly reasonable nerf in my eyes. ------ --Don't get saucy with me Bernaise!--
Kenneth McCoy Vale Heavy Industries Molotov Coalition	Posted - 2007.11.14 19:33:00 - [24] I think the nos 'nerf' was a good decision. Nos is still viable for those who know how to use it. My opinions and views are not the official views of my Corp.
Achem	Posted - 2007.11.14 20:26:00 - [25] Aw poor nublets have to think now :( I'm glad they nerfed NOS, now not just any chump can jump in a curse or pilgrim and have an IWIN button. Give it a solid 30 seconds of thought on how you can setup your amarr recons now, and you'll have your IWIN button back. WAR to the idiots who say amarr recons are gimped now, they're just as good as ever for solo work.
shinsushi	Posted - 2007.11.14 20:46:00 - [26] Originally by: Achem Aw poor nublets have to think now :( I'm glad they nerfed NOS, now not just any chump can jump in a curse or pilgrim and have an IWIN button. Give it a solid 30 seconds of thought on how you can setup your amarr recons now, and you'll have your IWIN button back. WAR to the idiots who say amarr recons are gimped now, they're just as good as ever for solo work. O wise one, pleae enlighten us to the setup and tactics of pwnage for the curse and pilgrim. I'll take your inability to do so as a sign you don't know what you are talking about, and should stfu. An Ad Hominem is a general category of fallacies in which a claim or argument is rejected on the basis of some irrelevant fact about the author of or the person presenting the claim or argument.
shinsushi	Posted - 2007.11.14 20:51:00 - [27] Edited by: shinsushi on 14/11/2007 20:51:41 I think it would be beneficial to just focud on the curse/pilgrim being neut boats though. Change their bonuses so they can easily run Neuts with their effectiveness and range now and we might have a boat again. Tracking disruptors will be useless soon. An Ad Hominem is a general category of fallacies in which a claim or argument is rejected on the basis of some irrelevant fact about the author of or the person presenting the claim or argument.
Doddy Omega Fleet Enterprises Executive Outcomes	Posted - 2007.11.14 20:56:00 - [28] Quite like the nos change tbh, all you need to do is keep burning the cap you suck (MWDs ftw) and you are good, unless you are trying to cap out a ship of a smaller class in which case you should be using a neut. Its good too see the nosdomis which used to insta-dry smaller classes of ship nerfed, now if they want to kill someones cap (i.e. neuts) they have to support their own, which makes sense. Only pure nos setups have really been effected at all. I havent really flown amarr recons so i reserve judgement on those.
Achem	Posted - 2007.11.14 21:04:00 - [29] ok i can see how bad u want it, so i'll give it for 100m for smacking :) it's so basic even YOU could have figured it out :D lemme know
Arvald Caldari Tutela Of Obscurum	Posted - 2007.11.14 21:06:00 - [30] Originally by: shinsushi Originally by: xus xowa O wise one, pleae enlighten us to the setup and tactics of pwnage for the curse and pilgrim. I'll take your inability to do so as a sign you don't know what you are talking about, and should stfu. convo me any time for the setup noob. will cost you 80mil. child psychology only works on children :) Wow, so thats a "I don't have a setup, but I wanna scam 80 mil isk from someone" response eh? IF you had the setup you would post it. Your afraid to because I'll rip it apart, call you an idiot, and make you cry. use guns/mwd/tank/neuts to drain your cap then flip on the nos and suck the enemy dry --------------------------- Im in your forums derailing your threads

Tarminic Forsaken Resistance	Posted - 2007.11.14 21:11:00 - [31] Edited by: Tarminic on 14/11/2007 21:13:00 Originally by: Arvald use guns/mwd/tank/neuts to drain your cap then flip on the nos and suck the enemy dry MY GOD Arvald, that is an amazing setup! It must have taken you long hours of study in order for you to formulate that strategy! It's unfortunate that using NOS is so difficult now and that not everyone is able to come up with such a powerful setup! Seriously folks, if you think it's impossible to achieve the desired results of the pre-nerfed NOS, you're dumb. ---------------- Tarminic - 29 Million SP in ~~pink~~ Forum Warfare
shinsushi	Posted - 2007.11.14 21:12:00 - [32] Originally by: Arvald Originally by: shinsushi Originally by: xus xowa O wise one, pleae enlighten us to the setup and tactics of pwnage for the curse and pilgrim. I'll take your inability to do so as a sign you don't know what you are talking about, and should stfu. convo me any time for the setup noob. will cost you 80mil. child psychology only works on children :) Wow, so thats a "I don't have a setup, but I wanna scam 80 mil isk from someone" response eh? IF you had the setup you would post it. Your afraid to because I'll rip it apart, call you an idiot, and make you cry. use guns/mwd/tank/neuts to drain your cap then flip on the nos and suck the enemy dry Neuts + nos are a no-no, it'll drain your enemy dry so your nos won't work. Overunning yourself is not a good idea as you will be a tankless, speedless drone boat with mediums vs whatever your opponent is. Cap boosters mean the opponent will time his boosts to run his modules without feeding you, so even if you have cap boosters odds are your tank is not gonna hold against their gank(esp if they use missiles hybrids or their own drones). So, you have a weaksauce ship, with either a sub-par tank or sub-par speed, a useless EW, that runs itself cap-dry and speedless. Oooook. Oh, Hi ooosooo. An Ad Hominem is a general category of fallacies in which a claim or argument is rejected on the basis of some irrelevant fact about the author of or the person presenting the claim or argument.
Leya Marcsson	Posted - 2007.11.14 21:13:00 - [33] Originally by: Vitrael Now nos are what they were designed to be: tank aids. QFT!
Arvald Caldari Tutela Of Obscurum	Posted - 2007.11.14 21:13:00 - [34] Originally by: shinsushi Originally by: Arvald Originally by: shinsushi Originally by: xus xowa O wise one, pleae enlighten us to the setup and tactics of pwnage for the curse and pilgrim. I'll take your inability to do so as a sign you don't know what you are talking about, and should stfu. convo me any time for the setup noob. will cost you 80mil. child psychology only works on children :) Wow, so thats a "I don't have a setup, but I wanna scam 80 mil isk from someone" response eh? IF you had the setup you would post it. Your afraid to because I'll rip it apart, call you an idiot, and make you cry. use guns/mwd/tank/neuts to drain your cap then flip on the nos and suck the enemy dry Neuts + nos are a no-no, it'll drain your enemy dry so your nos won't work. Overunning yourself is not a good idea as you will be a tankless, speedless drone boat with mediums vs whatever your opponent is. Cap boosters mean the opponent will time his boosts to run his modules without feeding you, so even if you have cap boosters odds are your tank is not gonna hold against their gank(esp if they use missiles hybrids or their own drones). So, you have a weaksauce ship, with either a sub-par tank or sub-par speed, a useless EW, that runs itself cap-dry and speedless. Oooook. Oh, Hi ooosooo. well thats the strategy for using nos now, take it or leave it your choice --------------------------- Im in your forums derailing your threads
shinsushi	Posted - 2007.11.14 21:20:00 - [35] Edited by: shinsushi on 14/11/2007 21:21:20 Originally by: Arvald I really dislike messed up quote trees Thats my point, its more or less useless, supremely easy to defend against, and a cumberance. Better to bring a minmatar/caldari/gallente recon instead. They are harder to defend against and work on multiple targets at once from great ranges, they also don't care if a ship has missiles, drones, turrets or whatever. Oh I know you could run 2 neuts on one ship while nosing the next, that only last for a very short period of time, and you will die fast doing that. (thats the correct way to use them now btw) An Ad Hominem is a general category of fallacies in which a claim or argument is rejected on the basis of some irrelevant fact about the author of or the person presenting the claim or argument.
cal nereus Perkone	Posted - 2007.11.14 22:11:00 - [36] I still use nos. --- Join BH-DL Skills
Kurtis Lowe	Posted - 2007.11.14 23:13:00 - [37] Originally posted by: Shinsushi "Thats my point, its more or less useless, supremely easy to defend against, and a cumberance" hehe tell urself that over and over next time ur main gets bbq'd while ratting again - stfu and post w/ him, ya troll wannabe
Daelin Blackleaf Aliastra	Posted - 2007.11.14 23:23:00 - [38] Originally by: shinsushi Neuts + nos are a no-no, it'll drain your enemy dry so your nos won't work. I lol'd -------- EVE Trinity: THE SKY IS FALLING!
Kurtis Lowe	Posted - 2007.11.14 23:35:00 - [39] Originally by: shinsushi Oh I know you could run 2 neuts on one ship while nosing the next, that only last for a very short period of time, and you will die fast doing that. (thats the correct way to use them now btw) And i guess both ships will sit still/hold fire while you NOS and NEUT them? So either ur curse/pilgrim is the BOB edition that has 9 mids (2web,2scram,4dampeners,1mwd)or you have zero idea what ur talking about. I'm going with the latter. Eject from this thread plz. Amarr recons PWN at tackling for a gang or solo ganking.<-----period
Doddy Omega Fleet Enterprises Executive Outcomes	Posted - 2007.11.14 23:37:00 - [40] Originally by: Arvald Neuts + nos are a no-no, it'll drain your enemy dry so your nos won't work. This is a problem because?? If its 1v1 u pretty much won already (unless u r up against a passive sheild tank), if there is more opponents u put ur nos on them

Moghydin Confederation of Red Moon Red Moon Federation	Posted - 2007.11.14 23:40:00 - [41] So, the only way to use Amarr Recons is to balance on a razor thin line between making your own NOS useless and destroying your own cap. Nice. What other Recon is so subtle in management? Right, none of them. Amarr got "special" treatment again. I agree, before the nerf Amarr Recons were slightly overpowered, but it's not the reason to make them worst Recons in game. Ironic is that neither Curse nor Pilgrim were the reason for the nerf, the reason were ridiculously overpowered Gallente drone boats. And the easy way was chosen - let's nerf NOS alltogether. Plz don't tell me "they were pwnmobiles", yes they were. Just as nanocrazed ships now. HACs going at speeds of interceptors. Let's nerf them too? No, you'd say "Adopt or die", "Bring friends with you", "Bring counter ships". If that is the logic, there was absolutely no need to nerf Amarr recons too. "Bring friends with you and you can beat it", right? Now the only Amarr ship worth flying was kicked into the line with other Amarr ships - useless, mediocre, sub par... Press alt+F4 to reduce lag


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