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Berendas Clandestine Vector THE SPACE P0LICE 185	Posted - 2012.01.29 20:14:00 - [1] - Quote Hey all, I've been putting together a lot of fits for the new and improved assault frigs, and I have had trouble deciding on AB or MWD based setups. Obviously it comes down to the particular ship, but I was wondering what your opinions were on which AF's were best used with MWD's vs. AB's. I am most interested in the Vengeance, which I will use to fight other frigate hulls and maybe the odd cruiser, but I am interested in your thoughts on prop mods for the other AF's as well.
Hungry Eyes Ministry of War Amarr Empire 360	Posted - 2012.01.29 20:35:00 - [2] - Quote id also like to know this. i think it's the same as before: for solo work and taking down larger targets, AB and some sort of active setup is better; for group work and general tackling, MWD setups are more useful
mxzf Shovel Bros 402	Posted - 2012.01.29 20:38:00 - [3] - Quote Personally, I think AB is better in general unless you're kiting. That said, it depends a lot on what/how you're flying and who you're flying with.
Renarla 21	Posted - 2012.01.29 20:39:00 - [4] - Quote AB. Most good fits don't even have room for a MWD.
Ahrieman Heretic Army Heretic Nation 18	Posted - 2012.01.29 21:13:00 - [5] - Quote A MWD has a few niche roles in frigate pvp. If you pvp in null sec, plan to fit a MWD or diaf to the first bubble camp you come across. Secondly, if you want to serve as heavy tackle, a MWD + Scram combo can be total win to catch up to some nasty cruisers (thinking about Vaga's and Cynabals, but also good for catching nano BC's). Dual prop is till a no brainer to comprehend: MWD to catch prey, AB to control range of subsequent fight. Kiting fits will usually opt for a MWD over an AB, USUALLY. Lastly, the MWD + Scram combo can also be used with great success for catching kiting frigs or just catching up to someone to lay the dps down quickly. I think that's a pretty comprehensive list of scenarios where a MWD would be useful on an AF. Bear in mind that not all of these tactics/roles can be applied to all AF's. I scam on my main
Liang Nuren Heretic Army Heretic Nation 713	Posted - 2012.01.29 21:32:00 - [6] - Quote I think it depends what you're trying to do. I'd probably AB any vengeance fit, but there's a few Hawk and Jag fits I put a MWD on. -Liang Normally on 5:00 -> 9-10:00 Eve (Aus TZ?) Blog: http://liangnuren.wordpress.com PVP Videos: http://vimeo.com/user9887127 Twitter: http://twitter.com/LiangNuren
Berendas Clandestine Vector THE SPACE P0LICE 185	Posted - 2012.01.29 22:14:00 - [7] - Quote Liang Nuren wrote: I think it depends what you're trying to do. I'd probably AB any vengeance fit, but there's a few Hawk and Jag fits I put a MWD on. -Liang Most Hawk fits I see run AB + dual webs and either an MSE or small booster, its actually about the only AF that I see pretty uniform agreement on what prop mod to use guess there is some debate on the Hawk though. As for the Vengeance, the fit I am leaning towards is a dual rep setup. I am at work and don't have access to EFT, so some of the t2 mods might need to be dropped to best named: -Dual Rep Vengeance- [High slots] Rocket Launcher II Rocket Launcher II Rocket Launcher II Rocket Launcher II Small Energy Neutralizer II [Med slots] 1mn Afterburner II Warp Scrambler II Small Cap Booster II - 200 charges [Low Slots] Damage Control II Small Armor Repairer II Small Armor Repairer II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II I will update the above setup when I get home, but these are the approximate stats that I remember- ~151 dps ~224 dps tank ~8.4k EHP ~810 m/s Unfortunately I don't remember how long the cap lasts, although I think it was somewhere in the neighborhood of 1m 30s. This setup can also use a MWD, all you have to do is drop the t2 scram to a j5b and drop the neut for a t2 200mm autocannon iirc. There was also a super buffer Vengeance fit I was thinking of trying, but atm I don't remember enough of it to justify posting, but it had a MWD and about 17.5k EHP and ~170 dps. If you guys can offer any advice on the dual rep fit though I would be grateful.
Zarnak Wulf CTRL-Q 230	Posted - 2012.01.30 04:12:00 - [8] - Quote It looks good on paper, but a vengeance without a web won't apply full rocket damage to other frigates. Other AB frigates will be able to escape at will. And a web/AB Enyo will kill you every time. No frigate tank can eat 440 DPS. It is more of a paper rock scissors game. The perfect fit will be elusive.
Liang Nuren Heretic Army Heretic Nation 715	Posted - 2012.01.30 04:26:00 - [9] - Quote Zarnak Wulf wrote: No frigate tank can eat 440 DPS Pretty easy to make both the Hawk and Vengeance do it, actually. -Liang Normally on 5:00 -> 9-10:00 Eve (Aus TZ?) Blog: http://liangnuren.wordpress.com PVP Videos: http://vimeo.com/user9887127 Twitter: http://twitter.com/LiangNuren
Rel'k Bloodlor Mecha Enterprises Fleet 109	Posted - 2012.01.30 04:40:00 - [10] - Quote I like MWD's, but that is with setting them to not repeat activation. That said AFB's are also awsome for your tank and cap. Try them both out T2/meta4 fits of AF are cheep enuff to lose. Or do what I do and go on the test server. I am in Factional Warfare. Have been from day one.-á-áI will never work for a mega corp in null-sec. Do not make FW like null-sec.-áMake FW worth our time. Reword us for what we already do.Give us some more activities to do.

Berendas Clandestine Vector THE SPACE P0LICE 185	Posted - 2012.01.30 04:42:00 - [11] - Quote Zarnak Wulf wrote: It looks good on paper, but a vengeance without a web won't apply full rocket damage to other frigates. Other AB frigates will be able to escape at will. And a web/AB Enyo will kill you every time. No frigate tank can eat 440 DPS. It is more of a paper rock scissors game. The perfect fit will be elusive. Yeah, that's my worry. Dedicating a slot to a cap booster basically ensures that you can never lock down another frigate. The more I think about it, the better the Hawk looks
Liang Nuren Heretic Army Heretic Nation 715	Posted - 2012.01.30 04:58:00 - [12] - Quote Berendas wrote: Zarnak Wulf wrote: It looks good on paper, but a vengeance without a web won't apply full rocket damage to other frigates. Other AB frigates will be able to escape at will. And a web/AB Enyo will kill you every time. No frigate tank can eat 440 DPS. It is more of a paper rock scissors game. The perfect fit will be elusive. Yeah, that's my worry. Dedicating a slot to a cap booster basically ensures that you can never lock down another frigate. The more I think about it, the better the Hawk looks I must have imagined killing all those frig and AFs with my no-web Harpy. -Liang Normally on 5:00 -> 9-10:00 Eve (Aus TZ?) Blog: http://liangnuren.wordpress.com PVP Videos: http://vimeo.com/user9887127 Twitter: http://twitter.com/LiangNuren
Berendas Clandestine Vector THE SPACE P0LICE 185	Posted - 2012.01.30 05:03:00 - [13] - Quote Liang Nuren wrote: Berendas wrote: Zarnak Wulf wrote: It looks good on paper, but a vengeance without a web won't apply full rocket damage to other frigates. Other AB frigates will be able to escape at will. And a web/AB Enyo will kill you every time. No frigate tank can eat 440 DPS. It is more of a paper rock scissors game. The perfect fit will be elusive. Yeah, that's my worry. Dedicating a slot to a cap booster basically ensures that you can never lock down another frigate. The more I think about it, the better the Hawk looks I must have imagined killing all those frig and AFs with my no-web Harpy. -Liang What sort of Harpy fit do you use?
Liang Nuren Heretic Army Heretic Nation 715	Posted - 2012.01.30 05:05:00 - [14] - Quote Berendas wrote: Liang Nuren wrote: Berendas wrote: Zarnak Wulf wrote: It looks good on paper, but a vengeance without a web won't apply full rocket damage to other frigates. Other AB frigates will be able to escape at will. And a web/AB Enyo will kill you every time. No frigate tank can eat 440 DPS. It is more of a paper rock scissors game. The perfect fit will be elusive. Yeah, that's my worry. Dedicating a slot to a cap booster basically ensures that you can never lock down another frigate. The more I think about it, the better the Hawk looks I must have imagined killing all those frig and AFs with my no-web Harpy. -Liang What sort of Harpy fit do you use? http://kbarmy.heretic-army.biz/?a=pilot_detail&plt_ext_id=835925604&view=losses Normally on 5:00 -> 9-10:00 Eve (Aus TZ?) Blog: http://liangnuren.wordpress.com PVP Videos: http://vimeo.com/user9887127 Twitter: http://twitter.com/LiangNuren
Berendas Clandestine Vector THE SPACE P0LICE 185	Posted - 2012.01.30 05:17:00 - [15] - Quote Liang Nuren wrote: http://kbarmy.heretic-army.biz/?a=pilot_detail&plt_ext_id=835925604&view=losses Interesting, the Harpy fits I was considering were mostly dual MSE. The passive recharge on those is pretty impressive, as is the buffer. I don't know how I feel about giving up substantial dps to get the PG for the tank though.
Darthewok Perkone Caldari State 1	Posted - 2012.01.30 07:39:00 - [16] - Quote You don't need a web if you are in a gang where your gangmates have webs. Otherwise you do, in order to control range against other AB fits. Have not yet seen a good passive tank fit on an AF that outperforms an active tanking one. However, it would be cool if a mini-Drake was viable.
Liang Nuren Heretic Army Heretic Nation 716	Posted - 2012.01.30 10:32:00 - [17] - Quote I gotta ask: was that a specific counter fit you put together when browsing my loss mails? -Liang Normally on 5:00 -> 9-10:00 Eve (Aus TZ?) Blog: http://liangnuren.wordpress.com PVP Videos: http://vimeo.com/user9887127 Twitter: http://twitter.com/LiangNuren
Darthewok Perkone Caldari State 1	Posted - 2012.01.30 10:51:00 - [18] - Quote Nah, just was testing out to see if it is possible to create a trollmobile to kill gangs of AFs PvPPPP in general. Figured it would be worth a laugh if it worked, and if not, it cost as much as an AF fully fit, so worth a try. GF.
Liang Nuren Heretic Army Heretic Nation 716	Posted - 2012.01.30 11:14:00 - [19] - Quote Heh, alright. Its not a bad try, but you should have gone with the second web over long point. GF :) -Liang Normally on 5:00 -> 9-10:00 Eve (Aus TZ?) Blog: http://liangnuren.wordpress.com PVP Videos: http://vimeo.com/user9887127 Twitter: http://twitter.com/LiangNuren
Darthewok Perkone Caldari State 1	Posted - 2012.01.30 11:35:00 - [20] - Quote Liang Nuren wrote: Heh, alright. Its not a bad try, but you should have gone with the second web over long point. GF :) -Liang Hehe, I was debating about that. GF.

Hirana Yoshida Behavioral Affront 273	Posted - 2012.01.30 15:41:00 - [21] - Quote The null themed over-buff heavily favours ships that can dual-prop so if you have the slots go DP, otherwise MWD and tank .. new tracking bonuses should be enough to hit even an AB target unless it is a oldschool bad-ass with a manual piloting fetish (read: persons who flew AFs when no one else did)
Liang Nuren Heretic Army Heretic Nation 718	Posted - 2012.01.30 18:23:00 - [22] - Quote Null themed overbuff. Oh come on, is it really that bad? Just because I can tank a Ferox, 2 Stabber Fleets, Vexor Navy, and a Claw with my Harpy.. its not so bad is it? -Liang Normally on 5:00 -> 9-10:00 Eve (Aus TZ?) Blog: http://liangnuren.wordpress.com PVP Videos: http://vimeo.com/user9887127 Twitter: http://twitter.com/LiangNuren
MeBiatch Republic University Minmatar Republic 162	Posted - 2012.01.30 21:25:00 - [23] - Quote i was playing around and came up with this for the harpy its not soo bad with a blue pill and low grade crystal set... [Harpy, harpy of doom] Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Tracking Enhancer II Internal Force Field Array I Upgraded 1MN MicroWarpdrive I Warp Scrambler II Gistii C-Type Small Shield Booster Magnetic Scattering Amplifier II Light Ion Blaster II, Null S Light Ion Blaster II, Null S Light Ion Blaster II, Null S Light Ion Blaster II, Null S Small Diminishing Power System Drain I Small Hybrid Burst Aerator II Small Core Defence Operational Solidifier I
Liang Nuren Heretic Army Heretic Nation 718	Posted - 2012.01.30 21:55:00 - [24] - Quote I thought about going that route with it, but I'm pretty skeptical of the ability to hold that SSB up without a cap booster. Take a look at my Blarpy videos to see just how heavy neuting pressure on a Blarpy can be. -Liang Normally on 5:00 -> 9-10:00 Eve (Aus TZ?) Blog: http://liangnuren.wordpress.com PVP Videos: http://vimeo.com/user9887127 Twitter: http://twitter.com/LiangNuren
Berendas Clandestine Vector THE SPACE P0LICE 186	Posted - 2012.01.30 22:45:00 - [25] - Quote Liang Nuren wrote: I thought about going that route with it, but I'm pretty skeptical of the ability to hold that SSB up without a cap booster. Take a look at my Blarpy videos to see just how heavy neuting pressure on a Blarpy can be. -Liang Watched your vids, the Harpy play is impressive. Also, the new missed shot effect on turrets looked really cool with that Harbinger
Liang Nuren Heretic Army Heretic Nation 718	Posted - 2012.01.30 23:00:00 - [26] - Quote Berendas wrote: Watched your vids, the Harpy play is impressive. Also, the new missed shot effect on turrets looked really cool with that Harbinger Gotta admit that I really like the missed shot effect! I ended up minimizing local just so I could end up with more beautiful videos ... for the most part I'm on vent with people that have local up. :P -Liang Normally on 5:00 -> 9-10:00 Eve (Aus TZ?) Blog: http://liangnuren.wordpress.com PVP Videos: http://vimeo.com/user9887127 Twitter: http://twitter.com/LiangNuren
Trinkets friend Obstergo NEM3SIS. 122	Posted - 2012.01.31 02:02:00 - [27] - Quote Back to the OP...I think that there's a couple of ways to look at this. If you are in nullsec and you aren't RR fit, you basically need to toe the line with the kiting MWD stuff in gangs. This may see you get vaped every now and then by alpha shots, but you are more likely to have to suck up ceptors, and GTFO Sabres. The number of people with decent rail and arty fit ships that can gank you before you GTFO is actually usually pretty small. I mean, yes, you might be unlucky to land a AHAC sniper zealot blob but AB won't save you anyway. If you are fitting for the RR AF doctrine, then you need AB for the sig tanking. No way out of it. You just have to get a good warpin on BC's or similar and its all gravy. You'll struggle with ceptors and so on, but you can tank them till they get bored. In lowsec for solo work it will depend on your strategy how you fit it - and on how good an AF pilot you are. You won't be doing much fighting on gates unless its to bait aggro, and in this case you'll want an AB so that they won't lock you up before you are back within jump range...and if they do, you'll survive the DPS that actually lands on you. Its not likely a thrasher will be trying to insta you under gate guns (unless he's suicidal). Hisec, you probably want a MWD or dual prop just because you'll either be trying to munch mission runners in their missions, or trying to escape some dude who has 65 guardians backing him up. If you are fighting on undock, you really don't need MWD, you need your head looked at. For wormholes, AB fit, the whole way. You'll be either getting a warp at zero with sleepers on the field (often) and need the low sig to survive the latter and no need to motor 40km @ 1.5km/s to your victim, or you'll be within 5km of a wormhole. So, TL;DR version: I DUNNO!!! The skilful employer of men will employ the wise man, the brave man, the covetous man, and the stupid man. Sun Tzu @trinketsfriend on twatter
Ahrieman Heretic Army Heretic Nation 18	Posted - 2012.01.31 02:14:00 - [28] - Quote Liang Nuren wrote: Berendas wrote: Zarnak Wulf wrote: It looks good on paper, but a vengeance without a web won't apply full rocket damage to other frigates. Other AB frigates will be able to escape at will. And a web/AB Enyo will kill you every time. No frigate tank can eat 440 DPS. It is more of a paper rock scissors game. The perfect fit will be elusive. Yeah, that's my worry. Dedicating a slot to a cap booster basically ensures that you can never lock down another frigate. The more I think about it, the better the Hawk looks I must have imagined killing all those frig and AFs with my no-web Harpy. -Liang What Liang is neglecting to tell you is that with proper ammo selection and manual flying, a web is unnecessary to kill frigs provided that you lay down the deeps fast and hard. If you just try to orbit at optimal and activate guns, then a web prob is a good idea. Remember: Fast and Hard I scam on my main
Liang Nuren Heretic Army Heretic Nation 721	Posted - 2012.01.31 03:07:00 - [29] - Quote Ahrieman wrote: Remember: Fast and Hard That's what she said Normally on 5:00 -> 9-10:00 Eve (Aus TZ?) Blog: http://liangnuren.wordpress.com PVP Videos: http://vimeo.com/user9887127 Twitter: http://twitter.com/LiangNuren
Zarnak Wulf CTRL-Q 230	Posted - 2012.01.31 04:20:00 - [30] - Quote The OP is interested in a Vengeance. They tend to need a web. With range control you can pin high DPS turret boats such as the Wolf or Enyo at 7-9km. This effectively limits their DPS. The highest DPS examples might get 200 DPS at that range. I would recommend geting a faction/complex nos. Their range is greated then a nuet's. You can live off your opponent's cap without worrying about being in nuet range. The Corpii A-type nos is only 23 million isk and has a range of 10.2km. The C-type is 13 million isk and has a 8.6km range. Example High - Rocket II x 4 Corpii A-Type nos Mid- AB II Named Scrambler Named Webifier Low- DC II SAR II BCU II Adaptive Nano II Rigs - Auxilliary nano pump x 2 So in short at 8km - 129 DPS cap stable. Your 178 DPS vs. their 200 DPS. You both start at 8k EHP, but they can't rep. You win.



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