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L'Petit Object
Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse
Sanctuary Pact
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Posted - 2012.01.29 20:16:00 -
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Since MWD's are allowed in missions. I'm beginning to experiment with MWD short range setups. My torp raven can do 1km/s. So why gimp my DPS? I stay more active and have more fun, and I finish faster. Anyone else having this experience? |
Renarla
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Posted - 2012.01.29 20:21:00 -
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If it's more fun to you, then by all means do whatever you want. Some of us actually find the long range fits more fun, and I believe that not having to move at all will usually equate to faster mission times, but probably not by much depending on the specific fits involved. |
Lady Aja
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Posted - 2012.01.29 20:30:00 -
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Confoirming that tachyon nightmares are outdated and antiquated.  |
mxzf
Shovel Bros
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Posted - 2012.01.29 20:37:00 -
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Confirming that the best way to play a video game is the way that's the most fun for you. |
Kalpel
KBM
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Posted - 2012.01.29 20:44:00 -
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L'Petit Object wrote:Since MWD's are allowed in missions. I'm beginning to experiment with MWD short range setups. My torp raven can do 1km/s. So why gimp my DPS? I stay more active and have more fun, and I finish faster. Anyone else having this experience?
I hear ya on the MWD fun  So I've been rolling with a Tengu HAM setup w/ MWD and I love it! ..... but do keep a long range setup close by because some missions do call for it where whole room aggro can mean a popped ship 
You failed to target nothing! |
Spineker
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Posted - 2012.01.29 21:10:00 -
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Tengu with AB and HML = Long Range Short Range Mid Range in your face range... |
Fronkfurter McSheebleton
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.01.29 21:43:00 -
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Rail Vindis are very viable in mission fits now. Gank fit it and load up Javelin, and it's actually somewhat similar to an AC mach in terms of damage output at range....difference being you can swap to spike or antimatter and go even longer for those far off groups and rats that get stuck on the scenery. |
Exploited Engineer
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.01.29 21:47:00 -
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L'Petit Object wrote:Since MWD's are allowed in missions. I'm beginning to experiment with MWD short range setups. My torp raven can do 1km/s. So why gimp my DPS?
You'll still need to move around quite a bit.
Also, missions with lots of clutter can be a bit of a hassle. |
L'Petit Object
Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse
Sanctuary Pact
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Posted - 2012.01.30 02:44:00 -
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Renarla wrote:If it's more fun to you, then by all means do whatever you want. Some of us actually find the long range fits more fun, and I believe that not having to move at all will usually equate to faster mission times, but probably not by much depending on the specific fits involved.
I usually fly a rail rockh. I have a lot of fun getting the those frigs popped in half volleys at 90km. However, once I'm on the battleships it takes forver, no matter the range. Not moving makes your tank less efficient too. Hell, I'm almost convinced I shoudl be dual propping missions (mwd close, ab speed tank). Almost, not quite.
But thanks for reading. Please (you and other readers) let me know if you have any numbers on the subject. |
L'Petit Object
Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse
Sanctuary Pact
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Posted - 2012.01.30 02:45:00 -
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Exploited Engineer wrote:L'Petit Object wrote:Since MWD's are allowed in missions. I'm beginning to experiment with MWD short range setups. My torp raven can do 1km/s. So why gimp my DPS? You'll still need to move around quite a bit. Also, missions with lots of clutter can be a bit of a hassle.
I saw this as well grinding level 2's in a rocket Hawk. That thing is so fast with an MWD you have trouble accidentaly flying past the ships. |
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L'Petit Object
Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse
Sanctuary Pact
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Posted - 2012.01.30 02:46:00 -
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mxzf wrote:Confirming that the best way to play a video game is the way that's the most fun for you.
Whew, I was wondering. |
OfBalance
Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.01.30 03:27:00 -
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I still find range beats raw dps in most situations. YMMV. |
Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS
IDLE EMPIRE
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Posted - 2012.01.30 04:04:00 -
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and how long does it take you to get to 1km/s in your raven? also how long does your cap/tank last? where in a long range setup I can just sit there and kill everything.
I did some ratting in a torp raven once, that was pretty awesome, although it was pre-nano nerf |
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat
Working Stiffs
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Posted - 2012.01.30 05:00:00 -
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I'm so disappointed that nobody has yet quoted:
"A microwarp drive?!? In a battleship?!? Are you insane?!?"
"You can't hotdog in a battleship! ... Oh what am I saying, you are going to do it anyway aren't ya?"
- Solomon "Sol" Burke, Clear Skies 2 |
CausticS0da
Viziam
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.01.30 05:08:00 -
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mxzf wrote:Confirming that the best way to play a video game is the way that's the most fun for you.
You don't have many friends, do you? OP doesn't deserve a shitpost like that. |
L'Petit Object
Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse
Sanctuary Pact
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Posted - 2012.01.30 05:18:00 -
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Chainsaw Plankton wrote:and how long does it take you to get to 1km/s in your raven? also how long does your cap/tank last? where in a long range setup I can just sit there and kill everything.
I did some ratting in a torp raven once, that was pretty awesome, although it was pre-nano nerf
It takes about 3 cycles to get my raven up to full speed. I've been missioning for 2 days like this. Haven't run into a missiion that was a problem yet. But I'm not tanking. Friend in close range fit AB hyperion is tanking.
There are definitely some missions that are going to be a problem. But so far so good. But all those Angel missions, we just BURRRRN through those big BS. No kiting required. Thanks for reading and commenting |
L'Petit Object
Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse
Sanctuary Pact
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Posted - 2012.01.30 05:20:00 -
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Tau Cabalander wrote:I'm so disappointed that nobody has yet quoted:
"A microwarp drive?!? In a battleship?!? Are you insane?!?"
"You can't hotdog in a battleship! ... Oh what am I saying, you are going to do it anyway aren't ya?"
- Solomon "Sol" Burke, Clear Skies 2
I don't know if you trolled me or trolled somoeone else. But, It's working! AND FAST. That'st eh point. It's SOOO much faster than **** cruise missle/rail dps. |
Ireland VonVicious
Gurista Saints
Assassin Confederacy
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Posted - 2012.01.30 05:38:00 -
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Rattle snake missions are cruise missle only even with my mwd as it uses sentry drones.
So to answer the question in your subject they are still viable. |
Spineker
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Posted - 2012.01.30 05:56:00 -
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Everything is viable if you like doing so, Mach is a pain in the ass to me and thinking of selling mine off but to many people it is perfect.
We are talking PVE of course. Guns are great my second highest skill set but they take experience and knowledge and work. No button pushing monkey there.
In PVE I will take missiles over guns any day. They talk about insta hitting but with missiles after the first hit they are insta hitting. Every 3.52 seconds.
If you like to get into battles and play with guns enjoy it. Have fun with it. There is a reason Caldari excel at PVE called missiles. However you are not locked down to missiles only just buy some books. |
Arazel Chainfire
Sons Of 0din
Fatal Ascension
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Posted - 2012.01.30 06:01:00 -
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Tau Cabalander wrote:I'm so disappointed that nobody has yet quoted:
"A microwarp drive?!? In a battleship?!? Are you insane?!?"
"You can't hotdog in a battleship! ... Oh what am I saying, you are going to do it anyway aren't ya?"
- Solomon "Sol" Burke, Clear Skies 2
No... the MWD on a battleship thing was clear skies 2. The hotdog in a battleship was clear skies 3 ;P
-Arazel |
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Spineker
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Posted - 2012.01.30 06:03:00 -
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Cross training is fantastic, I can fly 3 different Srat Cruisers, I can use guns or missiles it doesn't reeally matter or drones. I just don't use drone boats because they are slow compared to missile boats which most have drones. Now Gun boat captains will say Guns are better but really? Missiles, no not really after the first volley hits they are just like guns only faster and more damage. Everyone talks of insta hits but after the travel of the first volley all are insta hits. Every hit after the first is whatever rate of fire you have be it 2 seconds or 7 seconds.
In my noob day (Flying Harpy full out) the Ishtar was the magical kingdom, I remember taking on one with 5 people and we failed. Things change world changes adapt or die. That is the eve world. |
Spineker
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Posted - 2012.01.30 06:12:00 -
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If you don't undestand missiles let me explain.
The first volley takes 8 seconds to hit yet the next volley will take whatever your rate of fire takes.
First volley takes 8 seconds the next volley is 3 seconds behind or whatever your ROF is. Yes there is a delay but very little and more damage compared to guns. |
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat
Working Stiffs
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Posted - 2012.01.30 08:01:00 -
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L'Petit Object wrote:I don't know if you trolled me or trolled somoeone else. But, It's working! AND FAST. That'st eh point. It's SOOO much faster than **** cruise missle/rail dps.
Not a troll. Sorry, I just really liked the series and couldn't resist. Mea culpa.
I have an AB on all my mission ships. I use one primarily to reduce incoming damage, and secondarily to make gate travel bearable. I've found the fitting of a MWD too painful, especially with reduced capacitor, and signature bloom.
If you like short-range weapons and a MWD, and you can make it work for you, I say have at it. |
Anize Oramara
Ultimate Inc.
Hephaestus Forge Alliance
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Posted - 2012.01.31 09:44:00 -
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Agreed, play thew game how you like it. Hear other peoples experiences and try them out, might like it more. Internet spaceships is serious business but no reason it cant be fun serious business.
Personally I started off with caldari so has mostly been long range missile lobbing with slow as heck ships. Got the CNR and doing missions fast in them but not THAT exciting. Still gets me the loot fastest and thats what I like, loots.
Now I training mini to get a loki (tengu is too op for my tastes) and on the way I discovered how fun it could be to fly an Arty Mael. Sure you don't put the dps out that a CNR can but it's still fun and I use it for wormhole ops and when missioning with someone.
Still haven't tried the short range thing yet tho (played about with pirate frigs, AC rupture for anoms etc.) but I should cover it once I get the Loki.
Also instapopping BCs at 80km IS kinda fun. Feels very powerful when you have a 1 click BOOM button. Kinda like headshots. Or when popping 4 frigs at once hehe.
Do what makes you happy, Long range isn't dead tho :) |
McRoll
Blue Republic
RvB - BLUE Republic
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Posted - 2012.01.31 14:09:00 -
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Your thread title is wrong, you cannot generalize across all ships. You should have named it "Raven long range mission fit obsolete?"
That said, long range is basically always superior once you get the right ships. A Vargur/Mach/Nightmare/Paladin clears half the mission room while you are still MWD'ing with your Raven. And even with T1 ships, I think a well fitted Arty Mael is still faster because it is able to get rid of smaller ships faster. Torp Raven has to rely on drones for frigs and since most missions consist of many frigs and cruisers, you lose time. Not to mention the travel times to get back to gates etc. |
Squidgey
Perkone
Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.01.31 19:51:00 -
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mxzf wrote:Confirming that the best way to play a video game is the way that's the most fun for you.
Confirming that this is in fact not true and you should play the game the exact same way as what I think is the most fun way otherwise you are terrible.
Amidoinitrite? |
Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS
IDLE EMPIRE
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Posted - 2012.01.31 20:34:00 -
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L'Petit Object wrote:Chainsaw Plankton wrote:and how long does it take you to get to 1km/s in your raven? also how long does your cap/tank last? where in a long range setup I can just sit there and kill everything.
I did some ratting in a torp raven once, that was pretty awesome, although it was pre-nano nerf It takes about 3 cycles to get my raven up to full speed. I've been missioning for 2 days like this. Haven't run into a missiion that was a problem yet. But I'm not tanking. Friend in close range fit AB hyperion is tanking. There are definitely some missions that are going to be a problem. But so far so good. But all those Angel missions, we just BURRRRN through those big BS. No kiting required. Thanks for reading and commenting
ah yes I was coming from the solo perspective, having a 2nd player in the mission can change quite a few things.
and heck angel ships pretty much come right into torp range on their own rather quickly. |
Caellach Marellus
Nephtys Ventures inc
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Posted - 2012.01.31 20:58:00 -
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mxzf wrote:Confirming that the best way to play a video game is the way that's the most fun for you.
This, 1,000 times over this.
See signature top line.
Enjoy your gaming.
http://northern-goblin.blogspot.com |
Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS
IDLE EMPIRE
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Posted - 2012.01.31 21:13:00 -
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Spineker wrote:If you don't undestand missiles let me explain.
The first volley takes 8 seconds to hit yet the next volley will take whatever your rate of fire takes.
First volley takes 8 seconds the next volley is 3 seconds behind or whatever your ROF is. Yes there is a delay but very little and more damage compared to guns.
and because of this delay you have to either count volleys or waste lots of fire power. that and there are always some ships where it is if it doesn't boost and fire a defender it will die on this volley if not I have to fire another volley to finish it off.
most gun ships do more dps than missile ships, but are locked to a damage profile. imo it is much easier to manage transversial than count volleys. |
Spineker
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Posted - 2012.01.31 22:30:00 -
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Neither of which are any big deal it is second nature to me, gun ships are not better than Missiles in PVE missions period. They are more work and you miss a good deal you never miss with missiles. It is all over in the wash guns are fun but missiles are better.
If you can't keep up with volley or the number needed to kill the rats you are fighting then I suggest you start getting more experience. |
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