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Aerin Cloudfayr Extreme Addiction Atrum Tempestas Foedus	Posted - 2007.11.16 02:05:00 - [31] Originally by: Yukisa Originally by: Aerin Cloudfayr rofl somebody got it handed to them, EFT doesnt give you any concept of the combat mechanics of those ships - bad form lol Somebody has no clue about how sucky the zealot is and jumps into the bandwagon spewing utter crap. Fail. Comparing a zealot to a vaga is like comparing a classy escort to a street diseased ho.. seriously. ps. MegaT is horrible because it can't dps when things aren't in-its-face close! cus that's how it's meant to be flown cowboy ;) Did you know that a Zealot can pound out em+therm hits every second up to and over 100kms? And it takes literally 2 seconds to switch crystals to higher dps+faster tracking, AND at those ranges the Zealot can also dictate the engagement for a time? That's a sniper setup Zealot, switch Heavy Beams out for Heavy Pulse IIs and you quite literally have a close-mid ranged shredder capable of hitting orbiting fools etc etc. CAPTAIN OBVIOUS STRIKES AGAIN
Nomakai Delateriel Amarr Delictum 23216	Posted - 2007.11.16 02:08:00 - [32] Originally by: Perry Sentinel = small pilgrim More like a mini-curse. It has more NOS range than a Pilgrim, and as such it can cruise at a more comfortable 16/18km instead of uncomfortably close to web range. I'm at least going to try out the Sentinel before dismissing it. IMHO it looks quite tasty for gang support as with tracking disruptors and frigatesized hull and speed it will be more able than the Arbi to avoid return fire. Add in a good selection of drones (ECM drones, Hobgoblin IIs and maybe Warrior IIs?) and I'm thinking that it will be a quite good ship for annoying that Tempest/Geddon (basicly any turret ship except maybe the Megathron) while engaging frigates and cruisers with your warriors and NOS/Neuts. ______________________________________________ -You can never earn my respect, only lose it. It's given freely, and only grudgingly retracted when necessary.
Lithalnas Amarr Headcrabs	Posted - 2007.11.16 02:31:00 - [33] the only problems with the ship is the drone, if someone sends drones after you your dead, but if he doesnt have drones, even a megathron pilot gets nerfed by a TD, his optimal is almost non existant. ------------- fixed for greater eve content
Wayward Hooligan Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2007.11.16 05:46:00 - [34] Originally by: Yukisa Originally by: madaluap So a zealot firing in its optimal range with 3 heatsink does less dps than a 220 vulcan barrage vagabond with 2 gyro fighting in his falloff? A zealot with 3 heatsink aint going to tank squat at all given its slow as a brick and no cap for a 3 slot tank. Meh. Pure gank and it's dps is still lame. Try again. You cannot justify that a Zealot is good. No way no how. For solo the Zealot leaves something to be desired. Amarr have the Sac for that. However, fit a Zealot with Heavy Beam II's, 3xHeat Sink II's and set it up for speed and its an excellent roaming gang ship that can put good dps on whatever you want to shoot. 25km+ optimal with Multi ftw. I fly them in our gangs and the ship is very very good in that role. Again as a solo boat it needs work but it's great in gangs. Please resize image to a maximum of 400 x 120, not exceeding 24000 bytes, ty. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] - Cortes
Misina Arlath	Posted - 2007.11.16 06:31:00 - [35] How come I always read about how much Amarr ships suck on the forums, and when you talk to various people in-game, not just Amarr ship pilots mind you, the majority of them actually approve and respect the Amarrian ships. Just a curious observation. But by all means, the more people complain about Amarr ships, the less popular they will become, and thus the price will drop. So keep up the lobbying so I can buy cheap Amarr ships once I skill up. Thanks :)
Cyan Nuevo Dudes In Crazy Killing Ships	Posted - 2007.11.16 06:36:00 - [36] Nah, it's not EFT that tells me Vagabonds are ridiculous. --- Proud Amarr pilot.
Mortuus Minmatar Viper Squad Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.11.16 07:35:00 - [37] Zealot pwns so hard if you know how to fly it. Then again people also keep telling my a speed extended shield hurricane isn't fast enough to be viable... Remember boys and girls, Nos are the only thing Pilgrims or Curses are good for, never you mind that whole going reasonably fast, sensor damp + tracking disrupting and missles/drones part. Yes, ignore that whole part of it. =) Hmm...Curse + neuts + speed + web + tracking disrupter = dead Vaga Guess you nubs can use something besides a Huginn or Rapier if you think about it. ex-Occassus Republica <3
Feyran Loa'thin	Posted - 2007.11.16 08:05:00 - [38] Edited by: Feyran Loa''thin on 16/11/2007 08:07:49 i like the good old fashioned "ignore it until it goes away" response to vaga's myself none of this fancy web/neut business. just sit behind a medium tank until the vaga pilot screams and runs like a girl as soon as local increases by 1 (regardless of whether it's your backup or not ) bah, silly alt post , on the amarr topic, can't explain it but amarr have a nice feel to them, a nice style and i'll deffinatley be training them as soon as i've kicked my caldari related skills into shape (wtf about caladari seemed so tempting when i generated my first character? )
Crellion Art of War	Posted - 2007.11.16 08:24:00 - [39] Zealot is the ultimate npc afk ship :) Does that count? Also Lasers in medium gangs are THE weapon. Curses and Pilgrims are less sexy. Armor tanked missleships might be the think of the future. Arguably my opinions represent to an extent the opinions of my alliance and in particular circumstances give rise to a valid "casus belli" claim.
Brutus Proqqus	Posted - 2007.11.16 08:54:00 - [40] can i request every1 to stop flying zealots here? Please do, i want the price drop below the price of a sac. TY
Goumindong Amarr Merch Industrial GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.11.16 10:04:00 - [41] Originally by: Aerin Cloudfayr Originally by: Yukisa Originally by: Aerin Cloudfayr rofl somebody got it handed to them, EFT doesnt give you any concept of the combat mechanics of those ships - bad form lol Somebody has no clue about how sucky the zealot is and jumps into the bandwagon spewing utter crap. Fail. Comparing a zealot to a vaga is like comparing a classy escort to a street diseased ho.. seriously. ps. MegaT is horrible because it can't dps when things aren't in-its-face close! cus that's how it's meant to be flown cowboy ;) Did you know that a Zealot can pound out em+therm hits every second up to and over 100kms? And it takes literally 2 seconds to switch crystals to higher dps+faster tracking, AND at those ranges the Zealot can also dictate the engagement for a time? That's a sniper setup Zealot, switch Heavy Beams out for Heavy Pulse IIs and you quite literally have a close-mid ranged shredder capable of hitting orbiting fools etc etc. CAPTAIN OBVIOUS STRIKES AGAIN Why would you fly that over a Muninn[more alpha, more dps...]
Goumindong Amarr Merch Industrial GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.11.16 10:07:00 - [42] Originally by: madaluap really? So a zealot firing in its optimal range with 3 heatsink does less dps than a 220 vulcan barrage vagabond with 2 gyro fighting in his falloff? Or is this the famous, to good to be used in real combat (i-win is a understatement), but oooh so powerfull 425mm, hail using, 4 gyrostab vaga? With patented 2 mil sp in missiles to use that heavy launcher II and 4 mil in drones to get the absolute max out of those hobgoblins II? Cause yeh, THOSE ROCK!.... in eft. Yup, the vagabond does more DPS than the Zealot at any point under 24km [BEFORE DAMAGE TYPES], is faster, lighter, and has a better tank.
Salacir Khan	Posted - 2007.11.16 10:50:00 - [43] Sacrilege : rules Abaddon : great Armageddon : great Harbinger : great Absolution : great Damnation : great Curse : still kinda cool Retribution : very cool Vengeance : fun Pilgrim : ok, needs some love. I give u that. Stop the whining NOW! PS.If You want to kill Vagas, get a Sacrilege and fit a Domi Web -> Overload -> Minmatar Elite Cruiser Wreck.
Damned Force	Posted - 2007.11.16 11:04:00 - [44] I don't know whats your prob with amarr. Sure there are problems, but not with the ships, but with the lasers. Personally i like my amarr ships: Punisher: nice tank, good cheptackler Arbitrator: maybe the best solo pvp cruiser Harbinger: good damage AF's: Nice tank Inty's: one of the fastest inty's. Meladiction can hit from long distance with not bad damage and speed Guardian: Very good logistic(useful in gangs) Curse: great counter for Vaga's Sacri: maybe the best HAC atm. Absolution: very good dps Damnation: extreme tank Rev: Dread with good tank and don't need ammo Archon: Very good tank, effective logistic
Dristra Amarr Shadows of the Dead Aftermath Alliance	Posted - 2007.11.16 11:13:00 - [45] Originally by: Liang Nuren Originally by: Yukisa Originally by: madaluap So a zealot firing in its optimal range with 3 heatsink does less dps than a 220 vulcan barrage vagabond with 2 gyro fighting in his falloff? A zealot with 3 heatsink aint going to tank squat at all given its slow as a brick and no cap for a 3 slot tank. Meh. Pure gank and it's dps is still lame. Try again. You cannot justify that a Zealot is good. No way no how. Wtf does that have to do with a hac? But, okay, i agree, as the ceptor has pg issues, the vaga suck, and no-one flies it. The Stiletto doesn't have enough PG for 2x 280mm Arties and a Standard Launcher, and even on top of that doesn't have good speed for an inty. It's great being Amarr isn't it.
Dheorl Rionnag Alba Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.11.16 11:33:00 - [46] Velator = after drone nerf won't be able to scoop and redeploy, can't speed or armor tank well, can only do reasonable damage up close. Ibis = has useless range bonus (no ability to fit the guns to make it worth while) and can't even fit a reasonable passive tank. Impairor = useless bonus (cap use), doesn't even get a bonus to tanking, not enough fitting. Reaper = Can just about get a reasonable speed tank but doesn't have the range to do damage from outside of web and can't keep a point on from outside web range. Boost rookie ships!
Brutus Proqqus	Posted - 2007.11.16 11:50:00 - [47] Originally by: Salacir Khan Sacrilege : rules Abaddon : great Armageddon : great Harbinger : great Absolution : great Damnation : great Curse : still kinda cool Retribution : very cool Vengeance : fun Pilgrim : ok, needs some love. I give u that. Stop the whining NOW! PS.If You want to kill Vagas, get a Sacrilege and fit a Domi Web -> Overload -> Minmatar Elite Cruiser Wreck. rofl, the retribution is very cool? Other then that it looks like a flying plastic fallus it doesnt have much other functions.
Chronos VIII Amarr Infinitus Odium The Church.	Posted - 2007.11.16 12:08:00 - [48] Originally by: Salacir Khan Sacrilege : rules Abaddon : great Armageddon : great Harbinger : great Absolution : great Damnation : great Curse : still kinda cool Retribution : very cool Vengeance : fun Pilgrim : ok, needs some love. I give u that. Stop the whining NOW! PS.If You want to kill Vagas, get a Sacrilege and fit a Domi Web -> Overload -> Minmatar Elite Cruiser Wreck. What are you smoking dude Abaddon: Only good with a plate setup, otherwise useless Damnation: Are you serious? Retrib: Yaay 1 med slot - win -.- Vengeance: Sucks donkey balls as all assault frigs Maller: Dont compare it to a stabber or thorax, it will make you cry. Crusader: Yaaay 2 med slots -.- Apoc: No role, no dps, no nothing Chronos
August Personage Caldari Clarf Inc	Posted - 2007.11.16 12:09:00 - [49] Originally by: Brutus Proqqus rofl, the retribution is very cool? Other then that it looks like a flying plastic fallus it doesnt have much other functions. do you really need any other function?
Salacir Khan	Posted - 2007.11.16 13:56:00 - [50] Originally by: Chronos VIII Abaddon: Only good with a plate setup, otherwise useless Whats so bad about plates ? Originally by: Chronos VIII Damnation: Are you serious? Yes :) Originally by: Chronos VIII Retrib: Yaay 1 med slot - win -.- No Tackle, no Web, yea, You wont get any solo kills with it. So ? A frig with 200+ dps and nice Tracking rocks in a small Gang (imo). Kill the Intys, add good dmg on the Primery. What esle do you want a AF for ? Originally by: Chronos VIII Vengeance: Sucks donkey balls as all assault frigs ...but works fine as a heavy Tackler. Originally by: Chronos VIII Maller: Dont compare it to a stabber or thorax, it will make you cry. Amarr T1 Cruisers blow. But for all i care they worked when i ran missions. Now I just fly other ships. Originally by: Chronos VIII Crusader: Yaaay 2 med slots -.- Since i dont fly Intys i will shut up on this one :) Originally by: Chronos VIII Apoc: No role, no dps, no nothing Yes. Its a piece of Junk. Not worth the Ore its made from. Not that much of a Problem imo. Still two fine BS to choose from. BTW, you forgot to mention the Prophecy :) It's at least as useless as the Apoc. ...but then again there is the Harbinger.
Lyria Skydancer Amarr Uninvited Guests	Posted - 2007.11.16 15:02:00 - [51] Originally by: Yukisa Originally by: Aerin Cloudfayr rofl somebody got it handed to them, EFT doesnt give you any concept of the combat mechanics of those ships - bad form lol Somebody has no clue about how sucky the zealot is and jumps into the bandwagon spewing utter crap. Fail. Comparing a zealot to a vaga is like comparing a classy escort to a street diseased ho.. seriously. ps. MegaT is horrible because it can't dps when things aren't in-its-face close! QFT. A T2 ship that basically has the same dps as its T1 hull is a FAIL.
Lyria Skydancer Amarr Uninvited Guests	Posted - 2007.11.16 15:06:00 - [52] Originally by: Misina Arlath How come I always read about how much Amarr ships suck on the forums, and when you talk to various people in-game, not just Amarr ship pilots mind you, the majority of them actually approve and respect the Amarrian ships. Just a curious observation. But by all means, the more people complain about Amarr ships, the less popular they will become, and thus the price will drop. So keep up the lobbying so I can buy cheap Amarr ships once I skill up. Thanks :) Thats because people dont fly the sucky ships. Notice how you will only see Abaddon, Geddon, Harbinger, Absolution, Crusader and Sacri flying around in space. (ok i might have missed some ship, but its basically true)
Lyria Skydancer Amarr Uninvited Guests	Posted - 2007.11.16 15:08:00 - [53] Originally by: August Personage Originally by: Brutus Proqqus rofl, the retribution is very cool? Other then that it looks like a flying plastic fallus it doesnt have much other functions. do you really need any other function? Well any moron would rather have 2 mids and lose the silly utility high slot. No one wants to fly a 1mid ship. Thats prolly gonna change at some point. I dont know what ccp was thinking giving it 1 mid. Im sure it was fine back when HS wasnt stack nerfed though.
Madla Mafia The Dead Man's Hand	Posted - 2007.11.16 15:09:00 - [54] I hung my curse and pilgrim up on my hangar wall as decoration. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Amarr - getting screwed since 2005.
Almarez Setenta Corp Combined Planetary Union	Posted - 2007.11.16 16:07:00 - [55] You must own BPO's to try to trick people into buying them, we ALL know they suck. FREE STONY Brought to you by the Free Stony Foundation. Saving a Stony near you. Please resize image to a maximum of 400 x 120, not exceeding 24000 bytes, ty. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] - Cortes
Almarez Setenta Corp Combined Planetary Union	Posted - 2007.11.16 16:09:00 - [56] Originally by: Wayward Hooligan Originally by: Yukisa Originally by: madaluap So a zealot firing in its optimal range with 3 heatsink does less dps than a 220 vulcan barrage vagabond with 2 gyro fighting in his falloff? A zealot with 3 heatsink aint going to tank squat at all given its slow as a brick and no cap for a 3 slot tank. Meh. Pure gank and it's dps is still lame. Try again. You cannot justify that a Zealot is good. No way no how. For solo the Zealot leaves something to be desired. Amarr have the Sac for that. However, fit a Zealot with Heavy Beam II's, 3xHeat Sink II's and set it up for speed and its an excellent roaming gang ship that can put good dps on whatever you want to shoot. 25km+ optimal with Multi ftw. I fly them in our gangs and the ship is very very good in that role. Again as a solo boat it needs work but it's great in gangs. The Zealot does struggle for solo but if you put on an MWD injector, and scram in meds and pulse in highs with some tank/damage mods in lows you can do pretty well solo. FREE STONY Brought to you by the Free Stony Foundation. Saving a Stony near you. Please resize image to a maximum of 400 x 120, not exceeding 24000 bytes, ty. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] - Cortes
Almarez Setenta Corp Combined Planetary Union	Posted - 2007.11.16 16:22:00 - [57] Originally by: Salacir Khan Sacrilege : rules Abaddon : great Armageddon : great Harbinger : great Absolution : great Damnation : great Curse : still kinda cool Retribution : very cool Vengeance : fun Pilgrim : ok, needs some love. I give u that. Stop the whining NOW! PS.If You want to kill Vagas, get a Sacrilege and fit a Domi Web -> Overload -> Minmatar Elite Cruiser Wreck. Sacrilege: ya pretty much it is fun as hell, but this isn't a true Amarrian ship and there are a lot of Amarr that don't have any missile skills. It's easier for a Caldari pilot with no Amarr spaceship command or armor tanking to train for this than an Amarr pilot with no missile skills. This is true because it can be speed tanked. Abaddon: Definitely a good sniper in terms of DPS although has SERIOUS cap issues when doing so Armageddon: A full T2 geddon (with T2 heavies) is probably one of the best 1 vs 1 pvp BS out there. I would say only the MegaT is better if it gets in close, which is pretty easy for it to do as Amarrian ships are SLOW. Harbinger: Good ship but still has cap issues even with bonus to cap usage. Absolution: Little argument there. Only problem I see is that you need the three mid slots for injector, web, scram, so no room for speed mod and hence it really isn't too good for solo, but I guess that's okay. Damnation: Um great for fleet yes, sucks for absolutely everything else. Then again all of it's counterparts are just as good for fleet but are flexible enough to use for on the line PVP. Curse: It is still okay, not necessarily good, but okay. Retribution: You know the DPS on this thing is amazing but man does it need at least one more mid slot. Vengeance: VERY fun. Pilgrim: Needs lots of love. FREE STONY Brought to you by the Free Stony Foundation. Saving a Stony near you. Please resize image to a maximum of 400 x 120, not exceeding 24000 bytes, ty. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] - Cortes
madaluap Gallente Mercenary Forces Exquisite Malevolence	Posted - 2007.11.16 16:27:00 - [58] Edited by: madaluap on 16/11/2007 16:28:49 Originally by: Chronos VIII Originally by: Salacir Khan Sacrilege : rules Abaddon : great Armageddon : great Harbinger : great Absolution : great Damnation : great Curse : still kinda cool Retribution : very cool Vengeance : fun Pilgrim : ok, needs some love. I give u that. Stop the whining NOW! PS.If You want to kill Vagas, get a Sacrilege and fit a Domi Web -> Overload -> Minmatar Elite Cruiser Wreck. What are you smoking dude Abaddon: Only good with a plate setup, otherwise useless Damnation: Are you serious? Retrib: Yaay 1 med slot - win -.- Vengeance: Sucks donkey balls as all assault frigs Maller: Dont compare it to a stabber or thorax, it will make you cry. Crusader: Yaaay 2 med slots -.- Apoc: No role, no dps, no nothing Chronos What are you smoking dude Megathron: Only good with plate setup, otherwise useless Eos: are you serieus? worst ganklinks and worst tank? Enyo: Whats this good for? Ratting, onoes even the retri is better @ that. Ishkur: Does same damage as incursus... drones? You really think they catch up with the speedfits these days? lets not mention you can gun drones down before you say: "amarr oomph" and it cannot use bigger than small drones. Thorax: Yeh lets mwd for ages, tring to get in range, cause you need a plate to survive. Or dont mwd and die in 3 seconds as something gets a lock on you. Taranis: Yes, its awesome to fly a slow brick with the shortest range weapons in the game AND you need to get into webrange. Keeping range with rails is impossible cause it is so freacking slow. Hyperion: Yes it can tank, great. Megathron does everything better, gank, tank whatever. I used to kill gisti crows in a ares. I trained missile skills and light missile spec 4, just to use the 2 launchers on the ares to full. If you have problems killing inties with a crusader. GET SOME GODDAMN SKILLS AND STOP WHINING ON THE FORUMS YOU TARD. _________________________________________________ Breetime A killmail!11!1 omgrawr: BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
Almarez Setenta Corp Combined Planetary Union	Posted - 2007.11.16 16:33:00 - [59] Originally by: madaluap Edited by: madaluap on 16/11/2007 16:28:49 Originally by: Chronos VIII Originally by: Salacir Khan Sacrilege : rules Abaddon : great Armageddon : great Harbinger : great Absolution : great Damnation : great Curse : still kinda cool Retribution : very cool Vengeance : fun Pilgrim : ok, needs some love. I give u that. Stop the whining NOW! PS.If You want to kill Vagas, get a Sacrilege and fit a Domi Web -> Overload -> Minmatar Elite Cruiser Wreck. What are you smoking dude Abaddon: Only good with a plate setup, otherwise useless Damnation: Are you serious? Retrib: Yaay 1 med slot - win -.- Vengeance: Sucks donkey balls as all assault frigs Maller: Dont compare it to a stabber or thorax, it will make you cry. Crusader: Yaaay 2 med slots -.- Apoc: No role, no dps, no nothing Chronos What are you smoking dude Megathron: Only good with plate setup, otherwise useless Eos: are you serieus? worst ganklinks and worst tank? Enyo: Whats this good for? Ratting, onoes even the retri is better @ that. Ishkur: Does same damage as incursus... drones? You really think they catch up with the speedfits these days? lets not mention you can gun drones down before you say: "amarr oomph" and it cannot use bigger than small drones. Thorax: Yeh lets mwd for ages, tring to get in range, cause you need a plate to survive. Or dont mwd and die in 3 seconds as something gets a lock on you. Taranis: Yes, its awesome to fly a slow brick with the shortest range weapons in the game AND you need to get into webrange. Keeping range with rails is impossible cause it is so freacking slow. Hyperion: Yes it can tank, great. Megathron does everything better, gank, tank whatever. I used to kill gisti crows in a ares. I trained missile skills and light missile spec 4, just to use the 2 launchers on the ares to full. If you have problems killing inties with a crusader. GET SOME GODDAMN SKILLS AND STOP WHINING ON THE FORUMS YOU TARD. First off the Eos, for now is just awesome for DPS. You can fit med drones on an Ishkur if you just train a little. The sniper mega is a good ship. Just take a look at how many you see out there. Don't know much about the Hype but I've seen them have sick tanks. FREE STONY Brought to you by the Free Stony Foundation. Saving a Stony near you. Please resize image to a maximum of 400 x 120, not exceeding 24000 bytes, ty. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] - Cortes
madaluap Gallente Mercenary Forces Exquisite Malevolence	Posted - 2007.11.16 16:59:00 - [60] Edited by: madaluap on 16/11/2007 17:00:55 Originally by: Almarez Originally by: madaluap Edited by: madaluap on 16/11/2007 16:28:49 Originally by: Chronos VIII Originally by: Salacir Khan Sacrilege : rules Abaddon : great Armageddon : great Harbinger : great Absolution : great Damnation : great Curse : still kinda cool Retribution : very cool Vengeance : fun Pilgrim : ok, needs some love. I give u that. Stop the whining NOW! PS.If You want to kill Vagas, get a Sacrilege and fit a Domi Web -> Overload -> Minmatar Elite Cruiser Wreck. What are you smoking dude Abaddon: Only good with a plate setup, otherwise useless Damnation: Are you serious? Retrib: Yaay 1 med slot - win -.- Vengeance: Sucks donkey balls as all assault frigs Maller: Dont compare it to a stabber or thorax, it will make you cry. Crusader: Yaaay 2 med slots -.- Apoc: No role, no dps, no nothing Chronos What are you smoking dude Megathron: Only good with plate setup, otherwise useless Eos: are you serieus? worst ganklinks and worst tank? Enyo: Whats this good for? Ratting, onoes even the retri is better @ that. Ishkur: Does same damage as incursus... drones? You really think they catch up with the speedfits these days? lets not mention you can gun drones down before you say: "amarr oomph" and it cannot use bigger than small drones. Thorax: Yeh lets mwd for ages, tring to get in range, cause you need a plate to survive. Or dont mwd and die in 3 seconds as something gets a lock on you. Taranis: Yes, its awesome to fly a slow brick with the shortest range weapons in the game AND you need to get into webrange. Keeping range with rails is impossible cause it is so freacking slow. Hyperion: Yes it can tank, great. Megathron does everything better, gank, tank whatever. I used to kill gisti crows in a ares. I trained missile skills and light missile spec 4, just to use the 2 launchers on the ares to full. If you have problems killing inties with a crusader. GET SOME GODDAMN SKILLS AND STOP WHINING ON THE FORUMS YOU TARD. First off the Eos, for now is just awesome for DPS. You can fit med drones on an Ishkur if you just train a little. The sniper mega is a good ship. Just take a look at how many you see out there. Don't know much about the Hype but I've seen them have sick tanks. Eos cannot use heavy anymore Ishkur doesnt have enough bandwith to use medium drones You probably think carriers can use 15 fighters aswell... Where have you been all this time? _________________________________________________ Breetime A killmail!11!1 omgrawr: BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

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