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Commander Thrawn
Fluffy Rabbit Killers
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Posted - 2007.11.15 20:34:00 -
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yes all the whines are true. amarr are bad. don't fly or buy these ships
to all amarrian pilots ssssssssshhhhhhhhhhhhhhh don't tell anyone pilgrims are now 38mill in lonetrek :D
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Anaalys Fluuterby
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.11.15 20:38:00 -
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Originally by: Commander Thrawn
to all amarrian pilots ssssssssshhhhhhhhhhhhhhh don't tell anyone pilgrims are now 38mill in lonetrek :D

I might train Amarr cruiser to 5 just to have one at that price 
Originally by: CCP Chronotis
Since this thread continues to fight against the people who derail it into the macro miners witchhunt. I will move it to features and ideas discussion where ...
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NoobALTS
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Posted - 2007.11.15 20:40:00 -
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Any lower and its worth self destructing pilgrims for t2 salvage!
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Compendium
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Posted - 2007.11.15 20:40:00 -
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Edited by: Compendium on 15/11/2007 20:40:47 With the falcon changes, those are going up to 100 mil. Almost 3 times the cost of the pilgrim.
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Ikserak tai
Caldari Ghengis Tia Corp
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Posted - 2007.11.15 20:45:00 -
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What does the Curse cost? Heck, for that price on the Pilgrim I'll buy one just to look at it in my hangar while I train. Mucho Gracias, Senor! (My Other Character is Amarr - Got cap?) YOU'VE NEVER ROCKED 'TIL YOU'VE UNDOCKED. |

Commander Thrawn
Fluffy Rabbit Killers
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Posted - 2007.11.15 20:49:00 -
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Originally by: Ikserak tai What does the Curse cost? Heck, for that price on the Pilgrim I'll buy one just to look at it in my hangar while I train. Mucho Gracias, Senor! (My Other Character is Amarr - Got cap?)
i think i saw them around 55mill in jita hehe
all amarr techII ships are cheap now days
even scorch s is like 60k it used to be like 500k lol
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Liang Nuren
The Avalon Foundation Knights Of Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.11.15 20:56:00 -
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That's really sad because IMHO the Curse/Pilgrim are some of the sexiest looking ships in game.
Liang
-- Retired forum *****. Plz tell me to STFU.
Yarr? |

Thorexion Lynch
Gallente Emerald Empire
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Posted - 2007.11.15 21:05:00 -
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dont Amarr have one of the best tanks ingame??
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Byzan Zwyth
Dark Centuri Inc. Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2007.11.15 21:06:00 -
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the Arbi hull ships used to be Amarrs shining star,
now it's the Sac?  ---------------------- Rank: Tech 1 and a 1/2 cannon fodder
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Commander Thrawn
Fluffy Rabbit Killers
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Posted - 2007.11.15 21:14:00 -
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Originally by: Thorexion Lynch dont Amarr have one of the best tanks ingame??
i think the hype wins that one. abbadon comes real close and might actually beat it if you're using autocannos lol. but who wants to put autocannons on a abbadon
archon is definatly the best tanking carrier in game :)
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Liang Nuren
The Avalon Foundation Knights Of Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.11.15 21:16:00 -
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Originally by: Thorexion Lynch dont Amarr have one of the best tanks ingame??
PVP Tanks: Battleship: Amarr (Abaddon) BC: Gallente (Myrmidon) / Caldari (Drake) Cruiser: Amarr (Maller) Destroyer: LOL? Minmatar (Thrasher, MSE II + speed) Frigate: Amarr (Punisher)
BS Notes: I do not consider crystal/Pith PVP tanks, fyi. Otherwise, the Maelstrom/Rokh would take the battleship win quite handily. BC Notes: The Drake sacrifices alot of tank to fit PVP modules - but can be successfully bait tanked, which is why it does actually appear on the list Cruiser Notes: The Maller doesn't really do anything else... Destroyer Notes: They have no tank to speak of Frigate Notes: The Punisher is far and away the best tank - and maybe the best frigate.
General notes: BC/BS/T2 Cruisers is where this game is played at these days.
Liang
-- Retired forum *****. Plz tell me to STFU.
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Perry
Amarr The X-Trading Company Mostly Harmless
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Posted - 2007.11.15 21:18:00 -
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Crusader = mediocre tackling inty, good vs crows if pilot has skill Malediction = mediocre missile inty, crow is like 10times better
Retribution = good tank, mediocre damage (EM heavy), lulz empty high Vengeance = slow frig with 10km range, more lulz
Sentinel = small pilgrim Anathema = good at scouting and probing. Very bad fitting options like all covops
Zealot = mediocre med range turret hac, good tank thou Sacrilege = good missile hac, too bad amarr dont skill missiles...
Pilgrim = ... Curse = nos range bonus saves it from suckage, but doesnt contribute much to a gang
Absolution = very good field command ship, a bit slow thou Damnation = very good fleet command ship, mwd possible
Redemeer = well... Blackops in general need very high skills from many pilots to have a role, i dont see them beeing worth it Paladin = Eh? We waited 4 years for... that?
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Not that impressive lineup, except the commands which are topnotch. Needs serius work on the small and med scale. T2 BS are a lost cause in all races. All imo so go awai with your flames.
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Atius Tirawa
Minmatar Wreckless Abandon Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.11.15 21:40:00 -
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Edited by: Atius Tirawa on 15/11/2007 21:40:25
Originally by: Perry Crusader = mediocre tackling inty, good vs crows if pilot has skill Malediction = mediocre missile inty, crow is like 10times better
Retribution = good tank, mediocre damage (EM heavy), lulz empty high Vengeance = slow frig with 10km range, more lulz
Sentinel = small pilgrim Anathema = good at scouting and probing. Very bad fitting options like all covops
Zealot = mediocre med range turret hac, good tank thou Sacrilege = good missile hac, too bad amarr dont skill missiles...
Pilgrim = ... Curse = nos range bonus saves it from suckage, but doesnt contribute much to a gang
Absolution = very good field command ship, a bit slow thou Damnation = very good fleet command ship, mwd possible
Redemeer = well... Blackops in general need very high skills from many pilots to have a role, i dont see them beeing worth it Paladin = Eh? We waited 4 years for... that?
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Not that impressive lineup, except the commands which are topnotch. Needs serius work on the small and med scale. T2 BS are a lost cause in all races. All imo so go awai with your flames.
You don't fly Amarr do you. .. if you do, you are missing quite a few '+' points and such. Maby if you give me grief I wlll bother posting a longer response, but as it stands, you know a little more then the guys in Rookie Help. -----------
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Perry
Amarr The X-Trading Company Mostly Harmless
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Posted - 2007.11.15 21:56:00 -
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Its my opinion. There are many things good about amarr, and many things bad. I just wrote up short texts for t2 amarr ships that flew back in D2. I play since beta so go away noob.
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Jezabel2
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Posted - 2007.11.15 22:17:00 -
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Originally by: Commander Thrawn yes all the whines are true. amarr are bad. don't fly or buy these ships
to all amarrian pilots ssssssssshhhhhhhhhhhhhhh don't tell anyone pilgrims are now 38mill in lonetrek :D
didn't commander thrawn commander "Lazer" ships in star wars making him amarr  
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Hamatitio
Caldari 0utbreak
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Posted - 2007.11.15 22:26:00 -
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I literally have not set foot inside an amarr ship in almost 2 years. (excluding shuttles)
But i just finished cruiser 5, and damnit, I am getting in my guardian, and **** i'll buy a pilgrim for 38 mil as well. :)
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Cailais
Amarr W A R
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Posted - 2007.11.15 22:41:00 -
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Originally by: Commander Thrawn yes all the whines are true. amarr are bad. don't fly or buy these ships
to all amarrian pilots ssssssssshhhhhhhhhhhhhhh don't tell anyone pilgrims are now 38mill in lonetrek :D
38mil. Still too much, if they drop below 25mil I might buy one.
C.
Originally by: Jenny Spitfire
Dehumanisation - griefers are cool and if you are not a griefer, you do not belong here.
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Alowishus
Shadows of the Dead Aftermath Alliance
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Posted - 2007.11.15 22:44:00 -
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80 mil Apocs and 50 mil Armas are pretty good too. Keep up the whining!
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madaluap
Gallente Mercenary Forces Exquisite Malevolence
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Posted - 2007.11.15 22:54:00 -
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Originally by: Perry Crusader = mediocre tackling inty, good vs crows if pilot has skill Malediction = mediocre missile inty, crow is like 10times better
Retribution = good tank, mediocre damage (EM heavy), lulz empty high Vengeance = slow frig with 10km range, more lulz
Sentinel = small pilgrim Anathema = good at scouting and probing. Very bad fitting options like all covops
Zealot = mediocre med range turret hac, good tank thou Sacrilege = good missile hac, too bad amarr dont skill missiles...
Pilgrim = ... Curse = nos range bonus saves it from suckage, but doesnt contribute much to a gang
Absolution = very good field command ship, a bit slow thou Damnation = very good fleet command ship, mwd possible
Redemeer = well... Blackops in general need very high skills from many pilots to have a role, i dont see them beeing worth it Paladin = Eh? We waited 4 years for... that?
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Not that impressive lineup, except the commands which are topnotch. Needs serius work on the small and med scale. T2 BS are a lost cause in all races. All imo so go awai with your flames.
Damn lol, that way you can make any race look crap.
hyperion: crap damage, crap tank (needs to much cap for decent tank) megathron: only works when plating, else dies a capdeath Dominix: no more EW goodies (all nerfed), no nos, not enough PG to fit guns or decent tank, drones' shields dont recharge and can be killed very easily.
Taranis: slowest inty, cannot keep range with rails, dies when coming into webrange Ishkur: sucks, not enough dps with guns and drones cannot catch up with inties (you know its intented role). Cannot launch medium drones + light drones after patch. Small dronebay with no recharge on drones shields.
c'mon lol
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Alowishus
Shadows of the Dead Aftermath Alliance
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Posted - 2007.11.15 23:38:00 -
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I like this game. Let's pick two limitations of every ship to prove they all suck.
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Redora
Gallente Universal Exports
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Posted - 2007.11.15 23:45:00 -
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Hrm....
Erebus = Can't remote DD anymore.... And no Cov Ops cloak bonus. :(
Quote:
Anyone have any spoons I can borrow? If I have to spoon-feed any more players, I'll have to eat my Wheaties with a fork.
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Liang Nuren
The Avalon Foundation Knights Of Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.11.15 23:55:00 -
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Originally by: Alowishus I like this game. Let's pick two limitations of every ship to prove they all suck.
Vagabond: Has to slow down to deal crap damage and has a crappy tank when webbed
-- Retired forum *****. Plz tell me to STFU.
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Yukisa
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Posted - 2007.11.16 01:18:00 -
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Originally by: Liang Nuren
Originally by: Alowishus I like this game. Let's pick two limitations of every ship to prove they all suck.
Vagabond: Has to slow down to deal crap damage and has a crappy tank when webbed
Not as bad as a Zealot. Does worse damage, can't fly very fast. Has a crap tank when it shoots, again, doing horrible damage. |

madaluap
Gallente Mercenary Forces Exquisite Malevolence
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Posted - 2007.11.16 01:30:00 -
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Originally by: Yukisa
Originally by: Liang Nuren
Originally by: Alowishus I like this game. Let's pick two limitations of every ship to prove they all suck.
Vagabond: Has to slow down to deal crap damage and has a crappy tank when webbed
Not as bad as a Zealot. Does worse damage, can't fly very fast. Has a crap tank when it shoots, again, doing horrible damage.
really?
So a zealot firing in its optimal range with 3 heatsink does less dps than a 220 vulcan barrage vagabond with 2 gyro fighting in his falloff?
Or is this the famous, to good to be used in real combat (i-win is a understatement), but oooh so powerfull 425mm, hail using, 4 gyrostab vaga?
With patented 2 mil sp in missiles to use that heavy launcher II and 4 mil in drones to get the absolute max out of those hobgoblins II?
Cause yeh, THOSE ROCK!....
in eft. _________________________________________________ Breetime
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Shiken Kan
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Posted - 2007.11.16 01:32:00 -
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Nyx: slow as a brick, not immune to warpbubbles and nos, crappy turret damage, can't use jumpgates, not even vertical.
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Liang Nuren
The Avalon Foundation Knights Of Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.11.16 01:41:00 -
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Abaddon can't tank because it caps out instantly and has crappy resists when you fit for gank
-- Retired forum *****. Plz tell me to STFU.
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Yukisa
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Posted - 2007.11.16 01:44:00 -
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Originally by: madaluap
So a zealot firing in its optimal range with 3 heatsink does less dps than a 220 vulcan barrage vagabond with 2 gyro fighting in his falloff?
A zealot with 3 heatsink aint going to tank squat at all given its slow as a brick and no cap for a 3 slot tank. Meh. Pure gank and it's dps is still lame. Try again. You cannot justify that a Zealot is good. No way no how.
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Liang Nuren
The Avalon Foundation Knights Of Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.11.16 01:48:00 -
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Originally by: Yukisa
Originally by: madaluap
So a zealot firing in its optimal range with 3 heatsink does less dps than a 220 vulcan barrage vagabond with 2 gyro fighting in his falloff?
A zealot with 3 heatsink aint going to tank squat at all given its slow as a brick and no cap for a 3 slot tank. Meh. Pure gank and it's dps is still lame. Try again. You cannot justify that a Zealot is good. No way no how.
The Stiletto doesn't have enough PG for 2x 280mm Arties and a Standard Launcher, and even on top of that doesn't have good speed for an inty.
-- Retired forum *****. Plz tell me to STFU.
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Aerin Cloudfayr
Extreme Addiction Atrum Tempestas Foedus
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Posted - 2007.11.16 01:52:00 -
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Originally by: madaluap
Originally by: Yukisa
Originally by: Liang Nuren
Originally by: Alowishus I like this game. Let's pick two limitations of every ship to prove they all suck.
Vagabond: Has to slow down to deal crap damage and has a crappy tank when webbed
Not as bad as a Zealot. Does worse damage, can't fly very fast. Has a crap tank when it shoots, again, doing horrible damage.
really?
So a zealot firing in its optimal range with 3 heatsink does less dps than a 220 vulcan barrage vagabond with 2 gyro fighting in his falloff?
Or is this the famous, to good to be used in real combat (i-win is a understatement), but oooh so powerfull 425mm, hail using, 4 gyrostab vaga?
With patented 2 mil sp in missiles to use that heavy launcher II and 4 mil in drones to get the absolute max out of those hobgoblins II?
Cause yeh, THOSE ROCK!....
in eft.
rofl somebody got it handed to them, EFT doesnt give you any concept of the combat mechanics of those ships - bad form lol
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Yukisa
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Posted - 2007.11.16 01:55:00 -
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Originally by: Aerin Cloudfayr
rofl somebody got it handed to them, EFT doesnt give you any concept of the combat mechanics of those ships - bad form lol
Somebody has no clue about how sucky the zealot is and jumps into the bandwagon spewing utter crap. Fail. Comparing a zealot to a vaga is like comparing a classy escort to a street diseased ho.. seriously.
ps. MegaT is horrible because it can't dps when things aren't in-its-face close!
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