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hellwarrior
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Posted - 2004.03.04 18:58:00 -
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aranox that was a pretty grown up post there about putting a 18+ minimum age on the game.
first of all that would hurt the economics of eve, because us school kiddies have a lot of free time. hence we are a large buying market for video games
second of all i like how you posted it, exactly why ccp shouldn't do an 18+ limit. it is more than one age group that acts like kids -.-
also what is with this idea that player pirates are all teens that are trying to get back at the world because they are losers or one thing or another?
i think that may be more true in a game where you do not have to pay money monthly, but i would still disagree with the idea
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as for getting podded.....
 F12
along with 200 other people 
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Mikelangelo
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Posted - 2004.03.04 19:17:00 -
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Wah wah wah wah wah, boo hoo, you lost your ships. Zombie found a way to beat concord, good for them! Doesn't make it an exploit does it?!
Yes it is an exploit.
Because using game mechanics to shield oneself from the full consequences of doing something in the game is DEFINED as an exploit.
Therefore they should be banned forever.
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Righteous Fury
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Posted - 2004.03.04 22:21:00 -
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I'm unclear on this: Did ZOMBIE actually attack anyone that was non-CONCORD on purpose? From what I've been hearing, the only people who were damaged/died in system were hit by smartbombs, torpedo splash, etc.
If that's so, can't it be possible that ZOMBIE wasn't purposefully trying to kill people moving through the Amarr gate, and that they were just collateral damage?
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Cineas
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Posted - 2004.03.05 04:47:00 -
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Edited by: Cineas on 05/03/2004 04:50:39
Last time I checked, smart bombs were classed as an offensive weapon.
On a more serious note, I think players should be able to join concord. It's quite silly that one of the organisation's that has the most power in the game is controlled by an AI. The whole Yulai incident would not have happened. Ie Player controlled concord warps in, warp\propulsion jams pirates. The destroys the support ships leaving the actual attacker defenseless.
Of course you should be able to join the marines as well  Warp in, call in a bombardment and toast everyone!
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Hafthor
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Posted - 2004.03.05 13:23:00 -
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I'm unclear on this: Did ZOMBIE actually attack anyone that was non-CONCORD on purpose? From what I've been hearing, the only people who were damaged/died in system were hit by smartbombs, torpedo splash, etc.
If that's so, can't it be possible that ZOMBIE wasn't purposefully trying to kill people moving through the Amarr gate, and that they were just collateral damage?
ohh.. ofcourse.. they accidentally blew up some 100+ ships and 80+ pods. How silly of the GM's to ban them.
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ChaosOne
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Posted - 2004.03.05 13:42:00 -
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Zombie was exploiting, they knew full well that by using shield extenders the supporting ships could not be attacked by players as they would be the aggresors, also that concord would only target the 1 attacking zombie ship which was having its shields replenished. Ingeniuos approach but still exploiting the game ai. if this was used in 0.4 and below you wouldnt see them using this tactic much as there ships would be kicked across the system by willing players who can attack without having to worry about concord interfering. aslo a gm warned them not to use this tactic and they chose to ignore him, its there own fualt.bye bye to the sad zmobie inc.
P.s if you want a proper fight zombie members come on down to my space and well give you a decent lesson in fighting.
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Andrew Redburn
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Posted - 2004.03.05 15:12:00 -
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I personally think a permanent ban on Zombie is totally wrong!
A Warning and temporarly ban would fit much better and besides this event just shows that CONCORD AI has to be improved.
A simple solution would have been that a GM had just spawned some CONCORD ships in Yulai and had some of them attack support ships (if that is currently possible). Or a GM could have just shot down one Zombie Ship after the other which would have had the same effect as CONCORD podding them.
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Hellspawn01
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Posted - 2004.03.05 15:45:00 -
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Plz stop talking about exploits and how to use them or Eris will strike at this topic too. Thanks anyway for all ur answers so far.
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Lachenlaud
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Posted - 2004.03.05 17:44:00 -
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Interesting topic for my first post - but here goes nothing -
Rules.... meant to be broken? Of course not. But if we couldn't 'break' 'em we wouldn't know what to do to improve them.
What happened in Yulai was, to some, tragic. I grieve and feel for the people who lost ships because of the lunacy there. I myself passed through the system three or four times thinking it was a Corp. War of some kind. ::shrug:: Got grazed once, lost my shields a bit, and kept going, but didn't die (lucky me  ).
A lot of what happened was inspired by curiosity early on. Zombie was curious to see if they could get away with it - the did - except for the CCP penalties. Their problem. But a lot of players flocked to the area when they heard there was something going on. After the first couple of you got whacked and word started to spread - more and more people ran to the area - members of the corp I call home included. Me personally, I see something is going down, I get the heck out of the area and stay out till things calm down.
Good advice people - you see a small war going on - unless you don't care if you get blown up - don't stick around to watch. 
As to the penalties.... tough darts Zombie. You play - sometimes you pay the piper. 
IMHO -
'nuff said
-=[ Lachenlaud ]=-
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Genghis Temuchin
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Posted - 2004.03.05 22:21:00 -
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Regarding the incident With Zombie Corp. I gotta say that I don't feel they should be punished. I've never heard of tanking until I flew threw Yulai that day. Lucky for me I didn't lose my Hoarder. Pirates do that sort of thing, thats what makes them pirates. If the makers of the game do not want it happening then they must make Concord respond accordingly. I thought it was pretty creative.
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Lachenlaud
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Posted - 2004.03.05 23:55:00 -
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Regarding the incident With Zombie Corp. I gotta say that I don't feel they should be punished. I've never heard of tanking until I flew threw Yulai that day. Lucky for me I didn't lose my Hoarder. Pirates do that sort of thing, thats what makes them pirates. If the makers of the game do not want it happening then they must make Concord respond accordingly. I thought it was pretty creative.
I agree with you to 'a point' Genghis, but at the same time, the world of Eve is developed based on player feedback. Had Zombie gone to CCP and said - "If you do this, this and this, you can get away with doing this...." They VERY likely would have been heros. Instead, they exploited the deficiencies built into concord and made life a living 'heck' for many people. They made headlines... the wrong kind. Instead of heros, they came out as badly as possible. Might have been amusing to some extent if they'd just blasted concord to the great beyond, hey I'm no angel, but at the same time it was tragic and not at all funny to the people they made miserable.
I do agree that concord should be adjusted. Perhaps to the extent that if a corp member or person you're ganged with in the same sector will also take the heat for your actions in 0.5 and above space. That way shield tanking would be limited to low security space, and the newer players won't wonder why they're waking up in a cloning facility.
'nuff said
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Styrmir
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Posted - 2004.03.07 16:22:00 -
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was on way to pator to meet some noobs.
jumped out of warp, i was killed in 2 seconds.
i had no chance to get away,
2004.03.03 21:12:00
Ship Type: Capsule
Solar System: Yulai
System Security Level: 1.0
Involved parties:
Name: Thorhallur (laid the final blow)
Security Status: -0.3
Corporation: Zombie Inc.
Ship Type: Apocalypse
Weapon Type: Large Plasma Smartbomb I
now, I lost my ship, even if it was a rifter, but i lost it.
I say Zombie Inc. should be deleted and the members banned.
if this continues, no one goes safe and CCP will loose player because of morrons who really makes the game unenjoyable.
ill probly discontinue my subscribtion.
CCP took appropiate action on this as is well known now. I hope you got you ship back :-)
Btw Thorhallur is an Icelandic name so that was a fellow countryman :-(
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Thomas Epsilon
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Posted - 2004.03.08 20:48:00 -
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Did something just happen again at Yulai?
I heard missile flying arround and I got a message that something tried to warp scramble something.
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Owen Markey
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Posted - 2004.03.08 21:12:00 -
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Thomas, I think there was just a corp war going on
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Thomas Epsilon
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Posted - 2004.03.08 21:17:00 -
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Thomas, I think there was just a corp war going on
Ok thanks, I indeed picked up something like that in Local.
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zaqq
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Posted - 2004.03.09 11:14:00 -
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what is this bulls--t, so called badasses, killing ppl in a 1.0 system, oh how very tough of them.
if you so called tough corps are so tough, take yer wars to lower sec.
safe space should be just that, getting sick of avoiding guns and missiles in yulai and amarr. deserved what they got, however smart they might be, exploit or no exploit.
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Cadman Weyland
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Posted - 2004.03.10 11:13:00 -
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Funny..Zombie Inc did the same to me in a 0.4 sys and ransomed my ship, destroying some other poor sabs Typhoon at same time..at the time the gm said it wasnt an expliot when i petitioned.
I guess the casualties were too high to ignore this time.
Some consistency wouldnt go amiss GMs, its either wrong or its not.  i`d love my 4 million isk back but i guess thats not an option.
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a'll
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Posted - 2004.03.10 12:33:00 -
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Funny..Zombie Inc did the same to me in a 0.4 sys and ransomed my ship, destroying some other poor sabs Typhoon at same time..at the time the gm said it wasnt an expliot when i petitioned.
The reason is in 0.4 and lower players can attack the supporting ships, thereby breaking the shield transfer. In 0.5+ the npcs (concord) don't attack support ships, and players can't attack the support ships. In 0.4 the offending players are not invulnerable, in 0.5+ they are. In 0.4 it would not be considered an exploit, in 0.5+ it would. There is, also, another component in the exploit. The sec status of the offenders was not low enough for them to be chased by Concord, or attackable by players.
In most MMOGs this tactic is highly used, and I consider it a valid game mechanic in eve, just not in 0.5+. It's called Tanking and having a Cleric chain heal (add as many clerics as you need to maintain the life of the tank). You could take it a step further by also adding in support ships for recharging the cap on both the tank and the healers, etc etc. That's why they implement a 'hate' system. The more an npc hates you the higher priority you become for their attacks. That's why clerics eventually get killed, for healing too much, or other support classes get killed for whatever they are doing.
-a'll
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Helison
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Posted - 2004.03.10 13:16:00 -
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Btw.: The members of Zombie Inc. were banned only for a very short time. 3-4 days ago the lost a fight in XZH-4X, where Thorhallur lost a BS to the Arcadian Navy.
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Eris Discordia
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Posted - 2004.03.10 13:42:00 -
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Locked for discussing exploit, GM actions and posting private communication from the GM's ( which i removed).
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