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Leishent
Caldari Hulk Industries
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Posted - 2007.11.16 13:36:00 -
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For a couple of weeks I've been trying to sell my four, researched, Tier 3 battleship BPOs (one of each race) at NPC price but only been able to sell the Abaddon so far. This made me think, did these ship not live up to the expectations or is the market simply flooded, thus making BPOs unattractive?
I've seen a lot of these BPOs being sold with a good amount of research on them for very low cost, heck I've even seen people sell them for less than their initial investment, just to free up some isk. Granted, the t2-ship boom is about to be unleached upon us and a lot of manufacturers are saving their pennies to ride that train.
Another possible scenario could be that the market is flooded with manufacturers of these ships (I expect a lot of people stated manufacturing these the minute they were out) thus cutting the profit margin on them down quite a lot thus rendering BPOs unattractive.
Whats your thoughts?
PS. Maelstrom, Hyperion and Rokh BPOs selling for NPC prices with ME22 PE5 research. Contact me to make a buy!
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Leishent
Caldari Hulk Industries
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Posted - 2007.11.16 13:36:00 -
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For a couple of weeks I've been trying to sell my four, researched, Tier 3 battleship BPOs (one of each race) at NPC price but only been able to sell the Abaddon so far. This made me think, did these ship not live up to the expectations or is the market simply flooded, thus making BPOs unattractive?
I've seen a lot of these BPOs being sold with a good amount of research on them for very low cost, heck I've even seen people sell them for less than their initial investment, just to free up some isk. Granted, the t2-ship boom is about to be unleached upon us and a lot of manufacturers are saving their pennies to ride that train.
Another possible scenario could be that the market is flooded with manufacturers of these ships (I expect a lot of people stated manufacturing these the minute they were out) thus cutting the profit margin on them down quite a lot thus rendering BPOs unattractive.
Whats your thoughts?
PS. Maelstrom, Hyperion and Rokh BPOs selling for NPC prices with ME22 PE5 research. Contact me to make a buy!
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Sha4d13
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Posted - 2007.11.16 13:46:00 -
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I think that the cost of building the darned things (and as a result, buying them) is such that they are simply not that popular.
They are perhaps good one off investments as mission runners etc- but I see very few out in 0.0. Why buy a Rokh when you can buy a sniper megathron? Why spend 50% more on a Hyperion when (again) you can run a mega.
They dont generally offer enough above the tier 2 models to make the extra cost worthwhile. Id say I see more Abaddons and Maelstroms than Rokhs and Hyps, but not many of any of them.
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Sha4d13
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Posted - 2007.11.16 13:46:00 -
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I think that the cost of building the darned things (and as a result, buying them) is such that they are simply not that popular.
They are perhaps good one off investments as mission runners etc- but I see very few out in 0.0. Why buy a Rokh when you can buy a sniper megathron? Why spend 50% more on a Hyperion when (again) you can run a mega.
They dont generally offer enough above the tier 2 models to make the extra cost worthwhile. Id say I see more Abaddons and Maelstroms than Rokhs and Hyps, but not many of any of them.
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Kastar
Memphis Technologies Intergalactic Brotherhood
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Posted - 2007.11.16 13:50:00 -
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Based on the number of BPO's I saw bought when they hit Tranq, and by what has been sold the last few weeks by people that don't make money with them anymore and simply want to gather their isk to be able to invest heavily when Rev3 hits.... I'd say the market is simply saturated. tier3 BS are popular, so useless they ain't. -----------------------------------------------
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Sha4d13
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Posted - 2007.11.16 13:53:00 -
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Popular in some places. Very few in 0.0 compared to the other BS
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NoobALTS
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Posted - 2007.11.16 13:56:00 -
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Problem is that t3 bs's are ok, but none of the t3 bs's is exactly any good for mission running, except perhaps the abaddon. And even then, Raven beats the abadodn in any non-sansha/bood mission. So the large chunk of the PvE market tends to avoid t3 bs's.
For pvp, fleets tend to use sniper mega's. Close range and its usually blaster boats or hacs/cs's etc so again, the t3 bs's are not used that much.
While the concept of each t3 BS is good, the game has changed such that each of the t3 bs's could be removed from this game without anyone noticing. If t3 bs's had an extra solt, then that would change everything of course though!
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Other Ideas
Honor Tanking Cargo Cult
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Posted - 2007.11.16 14:03:00 -
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Originally by: NoobALTS Problem is that t3 bs's are ok, but none of the t3 bs's is exactly any good for mission running, except perhaps the abaddon. And even then, Raven beats the abadodn in any non-sansha/bood mission. So the large chunk of the PvE market tends to avoid t3 bs's.
WTB: T3 stuff.
No, "Tier" isn't same as "Tech". There's no acronym/shortend in EVE slang for Tier, only Tech.
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Sha4d13
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Posted - 2007.11.16 14:05:00 -
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What a pointless post.... Everyone knows what is meant...
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Leishent
Caldari Hulk Industries
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Posted - 2007.11.16 14:15:00 -
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Yes, I think the market have been saturated for quite a long time now.
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Asestorian
Domination.
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Posted - 2007.11.16 14:17:00 -
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Originally by: Other Ideas
Originally by: NoobALTS Problem is that t3 bs's are ok, but none of the t3 bs's is exactly any good for mission running, except perhaps the abaddon. And even then, Raven beats the abadodn in any non-sansha/bood mission. So the large chunk of the PvE market tends to avoid t3 bs's.
WTB: T3 stuff.
No, "Tier" isn't same as "Tech". There's no acronym/shortend in EVE slang for Tier, only Tech.
That may be so but it's a pretty sad thing to say in this case. It's perfectly clear what the meaning is because of the context of the thread. It only matters if it is entirely unclear what the person is talking about.
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Princess Jodi
Vendetta Underground Rule of Three
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Posted - 2007.11.16 14:53:00 -
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I didn't think the market was as bad as the OP presented, but the inability to sell a researched BPO for base price sure proves it.
I personally bought the Hyperion BPO when it came out, and my initial sales were at 209 mill each. After a few weeks, the price in my area dropped to 155 mill. Since Trit is so hard to get in Drone Space, that was too little profit to continue.
I now just build off of it and use the ships myself.
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Dionisius
Gallente Vagabundos
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Posted - 2007.11.16 15:12:00 -
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Originally by: Princess Jodi I didn't think the market was as bad as the OP presented, but the inability to sell a researched BPO for base price sure proves it.
I personally bought the Hyperion BPO when it came out, and my initial sales were at 209 mill each. After a few weeks, the price in my area dropped to 155 mill. Since Trit is so hard to get in Drone Space, that was too little profit to continue.
I now just build off of it and use the ships myself.
Since when is trit hard to find in Drone space?Last time i checked the belts were overpopulated with Omber and Veldspar roids, perhaps if people started mining more Veld and less Bistot the tritanium would be enough.
Drones lands is prolly the best place in EvE for builders to live in, you have absolutely every ore in there, and in good quantity so its no excuse for not building tier 3 Bs there. _____________________________________
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Alpine 69
Slacker Industries Exuro Mortis
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Posted - 2007.11.16 15:25:00 -
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What is a Battelship?
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OrokuSaki
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Posted - 2007.11.16 15:27:00 -
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its a temp...
meh, think you get it -.-
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Kortalis Hellion
Gallente The Taining corp Knights Of the Southerncross
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Posted - 2007.11.16 15:45:00 -
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They are the more defensive battleships. None of the tier 1 or 2 battleships have specialties in tanking like the tier 3 ones do.
They arn't popular since most ppl perfer mediocre tanks with ownage dps setups. They arn't bad ships, they are just meant for a different crowd.
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Tortun Nahme
Minmatar Heimatar Services Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.11.16 16:01:00 -
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I have three maelstroms sitting in various hangars that get alot of use... the only reason i ouldnty buy a bpo is that the cost is prohibitive
Originally by: Surfin's PlunderBunny Edited by: Surfin''s PlunderBunny on 04/11/2007 21:34:44 *EDIT* You know what, Tortun has this one under control...*
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Amy Wang
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Posted - 2007.11.16 16:19:00 -
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The only one that get really used frequently it the Rohk, no wonder as its the only one that can do something the tier 1 and 2 of the same race cant do. Other then that most people stick to their good old pests, geddons and megas it seems with the occasional tier 3 thrown in.
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Taloic
Caldari Black Watch Regiment New Eden Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.11.16 16:36:00 -
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Warnign carebear post below.
I know its far off from what the vessel is intended for but the with the Rohk's 8 high slots it makes one hell of a salvage ship. 4 trac 4 salv
Baring getting 30 800 cap batteries or 200+ metal scraps; with it fully decked out with salvage tackles and cargo expanders in its lows you can loot an entire level 4 misson in one run. 2100m/3
Its slower then a destroyer but I just wait for everything to get within 20 km of me before killing it so 95% of my kills are withing tractor range at warpin.
Great salvage vessel. For snipeing like said before id prob go with a Mega cheaper and easier to get ahold of.
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Leishent
Caldari Hulk Industries
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Posted - 2007.11.16 16:42:00 -
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There you have it people! These ships are useful so get my BPOs and start building them
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Mr Li
The Graduates
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Posted - 2007.11.16 17:07:00 -
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Abaddons make me feel warm and fuzzy
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Wolf Pershaw
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Posted - 2007.11.16 17:18:00 -
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To me the basic idea is emphasize on what the others don't do. They have their Faction resist or repair bonuses that the smaller counterparts have, but have either a range or damage bonus. so, they're best used in fleet battles hitting larger targets, a group of small frigs or Assault ships will do damage and even destroy them. I think the Abbadon and Hyperion are the best since they deal the best damage and have fairly simple setups.
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Thenoran
Caldari Frontier Economics Fallout Project
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Posted - 2007.11.16 17:56:00 -
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I'm flying a Rokh, though I'm using it for mining mostly till I can get a Hulk (damned if I will ever enter a Retriever).
Tier 3 Battleships are extremely expensive though and most players tend to get a T2 or T1 version instead as either of those will generally fit their purpose. I doubt the market is flooded as it would mean you would see dozens of them, and my Rokh is the only one I've seen so far beyond the occasional one in Jita.
Popularity vs Materials vs Sell price :)
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000Hunter000
Gallente Magners Marauders
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Posted - 2007.11.16 18:00:00 -
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Allthough i do enjoy the looks of some of the Tier 3 BS, sadly there isn't one to my liking on the fitting part.
The rokh, allthough an awesome tank, is a gunship and i don't like guns. CCP, let us pay the online shop with Direct Debit!!! Magners is now recruiting, evemail me or Dagazbo ingame.
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Tortun Nahme
Minmatar Heimatar Services Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.11.16 18:23:00 -
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\o/ Maelstrom is FTW
best battleship artillery platform there is
nothing like 8 1400's and 3 gyrostabs and a projectile collision accelerator
BAH silly prenerfed sig size
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Kweel Nakashyn
Minmatar Aeden Tau Ceti Federation
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Posted - 2007.11.16 18:46:00 -
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Edited by: Kweel Nakashyn on 16/11/2007 18:47:25
Originally by: Tortun Nahme \o/ Maelstrom is FTW
best battleship artillery platform there is
nothing like 8 1400's and 3 gyrostabs and a projectile collision accelerator
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Tempest.
The mAelstrom is a PVE / small roaming gang plateform. A great Artillery plateform is something you want to have in a fleet (200 players+ combats). Actualy a purcentage bonus to repairers is bad for fleet.
This IS THE KING OF THE FLEET : any tiers 3 battleship with no bonuses + +5% locking time or +5% range / +5% to armor resist per level (not to shields because of the buffer fleet ships need), 8 guns.
Or even better +5% damage, 5% resists, 6 guns, 8 high. 2isk
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cal nereus
Perkone
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Posted - 2007.11.16 18:59:00 -
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I actually think the tier 3 battleships are the most beautiful battleships in all 4 races! The Minmatar, Amarr, Caldari, and Gallente tier 3 bs's look spectacular. I want at least one of them in my hangar. Unfortunately, they're expensive, and generally the lower tier battleships do what I need at significantly lower price tags. So, practically speaking, I'm sticking with the tier 1 and tier 2 battleships. ---
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MJ Maverick
IronPig Sev3rance
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Posted - 2007.11.16 19:45:00 -
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Define Hyperion...
Great fire power yes... but its tank is laughable for how much you have to pay for the damn thing. It's like you HAVE to use rigs if you want it to even match its tier 2 equivalent. In contrast the Abbadon it a sex machine. --------------------
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Princess Jodi
Vendetta Underground Rule of Three
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Posted - 2007.11.16 19:49:00 -
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Originally by: Dionisius
Originally by: Princess Jodi I didn't think the market was as bad as the OP presented, but the inability to sell a researched BPO for base price sure proves it.
I personally bought the Hyperion BPO when it came out, and my initial sales were at 209 mill each. After a few weeks, the price in my area dropped to 155 mill. Since Trit is so hard to get in Drone Space, that was too little profit to continue.
I now just build off of it and use the ships myself.
Since when is trit hard to find in Drone space?Last time i checked the belts were overpopulated with Omber and Veldspar roids, perhaps if people started mining more Veld and less Bistot the tritanium would be enough.
Drones lands is prolly the best place in EvE for builders to live in, you have absolutely every ore in there, and in good quantity so its no excuse for not building tier 3 Bs there.
SSSHHHHH! You want EVERYONE to know?
No, really: The problem is that people mine Ark/Bist/Crok and Rat all the time, resulting in Trit at 4 isk per unit. You can't even get people to mine Ice at twice empire prices. Veld rocks are never touched.
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Mistress Suffering
Einherjar Rising
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Posted - 2007.11.16 19:51:00 -
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Most of the tier3 battleships tend to be a bad cost vs effectiveness tradeoff when it comes to high risk pvp. Sure, a hyperion is a fine ship, but if I'm going to enter a battle where the chance of dying is significant I'd rather do it in a Megathron. Same basic effectiveness at significantly less cost.
That means that most of the tier3 battleships tend to be used in ways where they are less at risk for loss, and as such, the market is slower.
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