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Lyria Skydancer Amarr Uninvited Guests	Posted - 2007.11.17 03:29:00 - [1] Edited by: Lyria Skydancer on 17/11/2007 03:48:11 I mean there are 2 T2 ammo types for us: 1. Close range, high damage 2. Long range, ok damage one (compared to T1 ammo) What if we get a 3rd one. A T2 ammo type with the same range as the middle one and a damage that is somewhere between the close range and long range T2 ammo? What if also this new ammo type did a damage type that our races natural enemies T2 was weak against? Amarr would get a Explo/Kin crystal Minmatar would get Therm/Kin ammo Gallente would get EM/Explo Caldari already have all damages :-p ok you caught me throwing in an idea that would fix amarr damage types :-) please no "lasers cant do anything but EM and thermal damage", this game isnt real life. In real life there is no such thing as explo, kin, em and therm damage. Everything is either kin or thermal damage depending on how you look at it.
arbalesttom Caldari Glauxian Brothers	Posted - 2007.11.17 03:36:00 - [2] "Amarr would get a Explo/Kin crystal" Your funny. Tell me what drug are you using im seriously interested... * * ♣♣♣Phear my sig!♣♣♣ Nice hamster! - Mindstar Sorry, that hamster ate your sig - Cortes
M00dy Killed In Action The Crimson Federation	Posted - 2007.11.17 03:40:00 - [3] Sorry but lasers can't do anything but EM and thermal damage. RATatatatata
Lyria Skydancer Amarr Uninvited Guests	Posted - 2007.11.17 03:40:00 - [4] Originally by: arbalesttom "Amarr would get a Explo/Kin crystal" Your funny. Tell me what drug are you using im seriously interested... I grow amarr weed and its the best. Its like pot and makes you come up with fantasy ideas and you really think they might happen and its like speed and gives you energy to rant about amarr issues all day and night without eating or drinking. Good stuff.
Lyria Skydancer Amarr Uninvited Guests	Posted - 2007.11.17 03:40:00 - [5] Originally by: M00dy Sorry but lasers can't do anything but EM and thermal damage. Please explain. Im pretty sure youre not the one with a physics degree...
Spike 68 0utbreak	Posted - 2007.11.17 03:51:00 - [6] Originally by: Lyria Skydancer Originally by: M00dy Sorry but lasers can't do anything but EM and thermal damage. Please explain. Im pretty sure youre not the one with a physics degree... no thats pretty much spot on, sure if you want to get really technical some theories would suggest that light carries mass and could be considered to carry some very tiny kinetic energy (kinetic damage). But it would be so much lower than what it would be dishing out in the EM/Therm departments its not even worth mentioning. As per explosive dmg, the only reason why EVE has it is for balance issues because explosions are really just a combination of EM/Therm/kin dmg anyway. (because there are 4 races makes sense to have 4 dmg types. yeah sorry but this idea is ********, but I would like my blaster ammo with a falloff bonus back.
Lyria Skydancer Amarr Uninvited Guests	Posted - 2007.11.17 03:54:00 - [7] Originally by: Spike 68 Originally by: Lyria Skydancer Originally by: M00dy Sorry but lasers can't do anything but EM and thermal damage. Please explain. Im pretty sure youre not the one with a physics degree... no thats pretty much spot on, sure if you want to get really technical some theories would suggest that light carries mass and could be considered to carry some very tiny kinetic energy (kinetic damage). But it would be so much lower than what it would be dishing out in the EM/Therm departments its not even worth mentioning. As per explosive dmg, the only reason why EVE has it is for balance issues because explosions are really just a combination of EM/Therm/kin dmg anyway. (because there are 4 races makes sense to have 4 dmg types. yeah sorry but this idea is ********, but I would like my blaster ammo with a falloff bonus back. Aw cmon its a great idea. Why wouldnt each race come up with a counter ammo against their natural enemies T2 ships? Please forget the physical explanations, its a game and laser damage is pita.
Spike 68 0utbreak	Posted - 2007.11.17 03:59:00 - [8] Originally by: Lyria Skydancer Please forget the physical explanations, its a game and laser damage is pita. you asked for a physical explanation but as for laser dmg its pretty insane (expecially for its range) its just that armor tanks have high resists for the dmg lasers do.
Lyria Skydancer Amarr Uninvited Guests	Posted - 2007.11.17 04:01:00 - [9] Originally by: Spike 68 Originally by: Lyria Skydancer Please forget the physical explanations, its a game and laser damage is pita. you asked for a physical explanation but as for laser dmg its pretty insane (expecially for its range) its just that armor tanks have high resists for the dmg lasers do. Nowadays this "insane laser damage" everyone is talking about is pretty much a myth.
arbalesttom Caldari Glauxian Brothers	Posted - 2007.11.17 04:32:00 - [10] Originally by: Lyria Skydancer Originally by: Spike 68 Originally by: Lyria Skydancer Please forget the physical explanations, its a game and laser damage is pita. you asked for a physical explanation but as for laser dmg its pretty insane (expecially for its range) its just that armor tanks have high resists for the dmg lasers do. Nowadays this "insane laser damage" everyone is talking about is pretty much a myth. And amarr is still overpowerred... I guess they need more luv with the nerfbat anytime soon. * * ♣♣♣Phear my sig!♣♣♣ Nice hamster! - Mindstar Sorry, that hamster ate your sig - Cortes

Lyria Skydancer Amarr Uninvited Guests	Posted - 2007.11.17 04:39:00 - [11] Originally by: arbalesttom Originally by: Lyria Skydancer Originally by: Spike 68 Originally by: Lyria Skydancer Please forget the physical explanations, its a game and laser damage is pita. you asked for a physical explanation but as for laser dmg its pretty insane (expecially for its range) its just that armor tanks have high resists for the dmg lasers do. Nowadays this "insane laser damage" everyone is talking about is pretty much a myth. And amarr is still overpowerred... I guess they need more luv with the nerfbat anytime soon. Again already? R.I.P. pilgrim and now maybe theyll take our sacrilege. sweet.
arbalesttom Caldari Glauxian Brothers	Posted - 2007.11.17 04:41:00 - [12] Originally by: Lyria Skydancer Originally by: arbalesttom Originally by: Lyria Skydancer Originally by: Spike 68 Originally by: Lyria Skydancer Please forget the physical explanations, its a game and laser damage is pita. you asked for a physical explanation but as for laser dmg its pretty insane (expecially for its range) its just that armor tanks have high resists for the dmg lasers do. Nowadays this "insane laser damage" everyone is talking about is pretty much a myth. And amarr is still overpowerred... I guess they need more luv with the nerfbat anytime soon. Again already? R.I.P. pilgrim and now maybe theyll take our sacrilege. sweet. Its what the gods whould have wanted... I also vote for total removal of lazors out of the game anyway! * * ♣♣♣Phear my sig!♣♣♣ Nice hamster! - Mindstar Sorry, that hamster ate your sig - Cortes
Lyria Skydancer Amarr Uninvited Guests	Posted - 2007.11.17 04:43:00 - [13] Originally by: arbalesttom Originally by: Lyria Skydancer Originally by: arbalesttom Originally by: Lyria Skydancer Originally by: Spike 68 Originally by: Lyria Skydancer Please forget the physical explanations, its a game and laser damage is pita. you asked for a physical explanation but as for laser dmg its pretty insane (expecially for its range) its just that armor tanks have high resists for the dmg lasers do. Nowadays this "insane laser damage" everyone is talking about is pretty much a myth. And amarr is still overpowerred... I guess they need more luv with the nerfbat anytime soon. Again already? R.I.P. pilgrim and now maybe theyll take our sacrilege. sweet. Its what the gods whould have wanted... I also vote for total removal of lazors out of the game anyway! :-( Who will make big fleet fights look like disco? Maybe disco apoc :-o
arbalesttom Caldari Glauxian Brothers	Posted - 2007.11.17 04:45:00 - [14] Meh, use phoon the disco smartbomb setup, they are intended to do that because they already look like a scrapheap anyway. * * ♣♣♣Phear my sig!♣♣♣ Nice hamster! - Mindstar Sorry, that hamster ate your sig - Cortes
08891	Posted - 2007.11.17 05:13:00 - [15] lol
arbalesttom Caldari Glauxian Brothers	Posted - 2007.11.17 05:17:00 - [16] Originally by: M00dy Sorry but lasers can't do anything but EM and thermal damage. Two options here: 1. You are a smartass 2. You should stop playing eve too much * * ♣♣♣Phear my sig!♣♣♣ Nice hamster! - Mindstar Sorry, that hamster ate your sig - Cortes
Dianeces Minmatar Repo Industries	Posted - 2007.11.17 05:41:00 - [17] I'm sorry, lasers can't do anything but EM and Thermal damage. Quote: Cristobalus DeMora > so what do the forums say? Jaleean Atheria > smack smack smack flame smack flame smack smack flame alt post flame flame flame smack flame click
Draydin Amarr	Posted - 2007.11.17 06:14:00 - [18] You are all correct. There is no way that a laser could do projectile or explosive damage. Cough* http://www.lightcrafttechnologies.com/technology.html http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beam-powered_propulsion http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laser_propulsion A laser can launch a projectile just as well as a gun can. If that projectile is light and fast, then you have kenetic damage. If that projectile is filled with explosives then you have an explosive round. Draydin > So, I'm going to fit my ship with nothing but lasers, cap rechargers, and heat sinks. Pillazo > Thats crazy! Draydin > Crazy like an amarr! Pillazo > amarr arent crazy... Drayin > O
Tarron Sarek Gallente Endica Enterprises Alternative Realities	Posted - 2007.11.17 06:33:00 - [19] Edited by: Tarron Sarek on 17/11/2007 06:34:46 The solution for the 'EM damage is inferior' problem is not a dirty workaround. A real solution would be to actually make EM more viable, in both PvE and PvP. For example: - EM always being the weakest NPC shield resistance (not armor) - Lowering basic EM armor resistance by 5%, redistribute the Minmatar EM armor boost to 5% EM and 5% Therm. So the new values would be: 55% EM for Caldari, Gallente, Amarr 60% EM for Minmatar (40% Therm) Apart from that I won't say lasers can't do Exp or Kin damage. I'm going to say lasers in EVE shouldn't do Exp or Kin damage. Reason: game balance and variety. If you want Exp, use projectiles, if you want Kin, use railguns. ___________________________________ - Balance is power, guard it well - Please stop using the word 'nerf' Nothing spells 'incompetence' or 'don't take me serious' like those four letters
Kazuma Saruwatari	Posted - 2007.11.17 06:40:00 - [20] /facepalm Enough with the "boost amarr" threads guys, CCP already knows its a problem, let em fix it. - Odd Pod Out, a blog of EVE Online

arbalesttom Caldari Glauxian Brothers	Posted - 2007.11.17 06:54:00 - [21] Originally by: Draydin You are all correct. There is no way that a laser could do projectile or explosive damage. * * ♣♣♣Phear my sig!♣♣♣ Nice hamster! - Mindstar Sorry, that hamster ate your sig - Cortes
Scav Silver Amarr Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2007.11.17 06:58:00 - [22] Amarr w/ a Explo/Kin crystal?? I think ya better put a flamesuit.. PPL don't understand progress.. That warp speed and other crazy ideas might actually happend (most won't).. Who is to say Laser won't do Explo/Kin dmg?? á ----------------------------------------------------------- "Scav est procul Porta!!" -=Pimary=- "Tonight you dine in....BKG?" -=Ashemi Darkhold=-
Lyria Skydancer Amarr Uninvited Guests	Posted - 2007.11.17 07:02:00 - [23] Originally by: Tarron Sarek Edited by: Tarron Sarek on 17/11/2007 06:34:46 The solution for the 'EM damage is inferior' problem is not a dirty workaround. A real solution would be to actually make EM more viable, in both PvE and PvP. For example: - EM always being the weakest NPC shield resistance (not armor) - Lowering basic EM armor resistance by 5%, redistribute the Minmatar EM armor boost to 5% EM and 5% Therm. So the new values would be: 55% EM for Caldari, Gallente, Amarr 60% EM for Minmatar (40% Therm) Apart from that I won't say lasers can't do Exp or Kin damage. I'm going to say lasers in EVE shouldn't do Exp or Kin damage. Reason: game balance and variety. If you want Exp, use projectiles, if you want Kin, use railguns. Why can minmatar and caldari use ALL damage types? I think variety went down the drain a long time ago when it comes to damage types.
Lyria Skydancer Amarr Uninvited Guests	Posted - 2007.11.17 07:06:00 - [24] Originally by: Scav Silver Amarr w/ a Explo/Kin crystal?? I think ya better put a flamesuit.. PPL don't understand progress.. That warp speed and other crazy ideas might actually happend (most won't).. Who is to say Laser won't do Explo/Kin dmg?? Yeah good thing conservatives dont get to vote their way in this game or we would have been stuck with the same game without change from the start in eve. So pretty please ccp, give us explo/kin as a 3rd T2 ammo type.
Goumindong Amarr Merch Industrial GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.11.17 07:07:00 - [25] Edited by: Goumindong on 17/11/2007 07:06:40 Originally by: Lyria Skydancer Amarr would get an overpowered crystal Minmatar would get an ammo they already have Gallente would get a useless ammo Caldari already have all damages :-p Short answer: No, its a bad idea.
Lyria Skydancer Amarr Uninvited Guests	Posted - 2007.11.17 07:18:00 - [26] Originally by: Goumindong Edited by: Goumindong on 17/11/2007 07:06:40 Originally by: Lyria Skydancer Amarr would a get crystal that everyone else has Minmatar would get an ammo they already have, but with more firepower Gallente would get an ammo minmatar has and is used frequently Caldari already have all damages :-p Short answer: Yes, its a brilliant idea. fixed. Uhm why would it be overpowering to give amarr 1 T2 medium range and damage crystal that is a complement to the missing damage type? Why wouldnt minmatar use a kin/therm medium ranged fairly high damage ammo? Why would EM/EXP damage be useless?
xHalcyonx Amarr Wreckless Abandon Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.11.17 07:22:00 - [27] Looks at Sig Yes, Blaze M IS a real crystal ingame. Ask Entity to link it for you as he has one of the very few in existance. ------------------- ნỊs uʍop əpỊsdn Support the introduction of Blaze M crystals for Amarr!
Lyria Skydancer Amarr Uninvited Guests	Posted - 2007.11.17 07:27:00 - [28] Originally by: xHalcyonx Looks at Sig Yes, Blaze M IS a real crystal ingame. Ask Entity to link it for you as he has one of the very few in existance. It is or was. Atleast you can see that a mid range T2 crystal with racial enemy weakness damage isnt far fetched. I think many fail to see it and are just conservatives that like the way things are = "I own amarr with my silly non-amarr ships"
Goumindong Amarr Merch Industrial GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.11.17 08:01:00 - [29] Originally by: Lyria Skydancer fixed. Uhm why would it be overpowering to give amarr 1 T2 medium range and damage crystal that is a complement to the missing damage type? Why wouldnt minmatar use a kin/therm medium ranged fairly high damage ammo? Why would EM/EXP damage be useless? Did you even bother running the numbers before you said this. run them
Nian Banks Minmatar Berserkers of Aesir	Posted - 2007.11.17 08:12:00 - [30] Modern technology already has the ability to project mass down a laser, basically its nothing out of the ordinary, Also EM is a byproduct of lasers not the main damage type if used as a weapon, the main damage would be thermal, followed by explosive as heat causes explosive damage over time, then EM on the third damage type and then kinetic. Now granted you can increase the EM or electrical damage to a crazy amount, there are now in prototype form Tazers (the zappy things to drop a bad guy) that use laser beams to send the current to the victim, I.e. You can send electricity down a laser beam. Another technology allows you to propel mass inside the laser beam, Its often called a "Dirty laser" and can be most effective. Basically guys, though thermal + explosive should be the main damage types for lasers, EM and Kin are both quite viable. Sadly CCP arn't real Sci Fi writers as they ignore science and go for the more Fantacy/Idiot SciFi E.g. CCP=Stargate&Startrek, SciFi=Isaac Asimov&Arthur.C.Clarke So my suggestion is to give lasers very similar ammunitions as the minmatar have, except with thermal as the main type.



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