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Silentbrick Caldari Eve University Ivy League	Posted - 2007.11.19 02:24:00 - [1] Edited by: Silentbrick on 19/11/2007 02:25:23 Just fair warning to all Raven pilots or cruise missile users. Check your range. With the last patch, top speed of cruise missiles has dropped 2,000 m/s. I have Caldari Battleship 5, Missile Bombardment 5, Missile Projection 4 and top speed on my cruise missiles went from 7250 to 5250. Range wise that's a drop from 217km to 157km. Rechecking the dev blogs and patch notes reveals no warning or comment from CCP about these changes. Thanks ever so much for making PVPing as Caldari so much harder. Eve is on that lovely Star Wars Galaxies plan I believe. At times I almost miss my Master Armorsmith from there...then I remember how the entire game quickly became musical nerfs. It's sad to see a game with this much potential circling the drain at the urging of it's developers.
Karlemgne The Black Fleet The Cosa Nostra	Posted - 2007.11.19 02:27:00 - [2] Edited by: Karlemgne on 19/11/2007 02:27:22 First! Woot. Btw... bo-ho? Your stuff, just contract it to me. -Karlemgne
Arthur Frayn Veterans Of Liberation Ltd.	Posted - 2007.11.19 02:27:00 - [3] Would you kindly permit me to acquire your worldly goods? -- Eve needs a dose of Top Gun without the sweaty shower scenes.
Admiral Pelleon Caldari White Shadow Imperium Burning Horizons	Posted - 2007.11.19 02:30:00 - [4] Torp buff I love, this not so much.. But what're you going to do? Adapt. ________ "It's a good day to die!"
Karlemgne The Black Fleet The Cosa Nostra	Posted - 2007.11.19 02:31:00 - [5] Originally by: Arthur Frayn Would you kindly permit me to acquire your worldly goods? I was first. I get his stuff. -Karl
Arthur Frayn Veterans Of Liberation Ltd.	Posted - 2007.11.19 02:32:00 - [6] Originally by: Karlemgne Originally by: Arthur Frayn Would you kindly permit me to acquire your worldly goods? I was first. I get his stuff. -Karl B'stard. -- Eve needs a dose of Top Gun without the sweaty shower scenes.
Silentbrick Caldari Eve University Ivy League	Posted - 2007.11.19 02:33:00 - [7] I think you both better report to Eve Uni right quick, cause apparently you cannot read. I didn't say I was quitting. I'll be here til the game dies, which isn't long from the look of things. Reading Comprehension FTW. And feel free to contract your personal, corp and alliance assets to the Uni. Donations are appreciated.
Karlemgne The Black Fleet The Cosa Nostra	Posted - 2007.11.19 02:37:00 - [8] Edited by: Karlemgne on 19/11/2007 02:40:10 Originally by: Silentbrick I think you both better report to Eve Uni right quick, cause apparently you cannot read. I didn't say I was quitting. I'll be here til the game dies, which isn't long from the look of things. Reading Comprehension FTW. And feel free to contract your personal, corp and alliance assets to the Uni. Donations are appreciated. What? I mean, you are totally right, EvE is on the SWG plan. Bo-ho cries for Mr. Brick You might as well leave now and go play another MMO, but I'll hold your stuff for you, so that if you ever want to come back to such a sucky game as eve-online (after all its just like SWG) it will be warmed up and waiting for you. Okay, that aside, you seemed to have failed in understanding us. You see, neither of us actually expected you to leave and even if you were going to leave, neither of us expected you to give us your stuff. By saying, "can I have your stuff," we are trying to tell you that you are ridiculous, and that it would be better for the eve community if the whiners like yourself left. Think of "can I have your stuff" as akin to someone saying somewhere else, "you don't like it?" "Then don't let the door hit you in the ass on your way out." -Karl
An Anarchyyt Gallente Sublime.	Posted - 2007.11.19 02:40:00 - [9] Got no problems in my Nemesis. Originally by: CCP Wrangler Second, a gentile is a non jewish person
Karyuudo Tydraad Caldari Whiskey Pete's Drycleaning Services The Acquisition	Posted - 2007.11.19 02:43:00 - [10] It's not like I regularly fired from 217km anyway. Or 157km. Really, even shooting past 100km was pretty unusual. In fact, if you hadn't made this thread I probably wouldn't have noticed. I don't even care enough to confirm. The flight time for cruise missiles made them useless for sniping anyway. Besides, I'm too busy celebrating my suddenly useful torpedoes. I like the obligatory SWG reference every time CCP does anything, though. "Hey, look, they're 'nerfing' some aspect of a particular system of combat! You know what other game's development included readjusting the stats of various aspects of gameplay after their introduction? Star Wars Galaxies! And not many people enjoy it anymore! See! It's vaguely similar to some form of deductive reasoning in its structure!" I'm not saying SWG wasn't a horrible game and a waste of a good portion of my life, but I am saying that everyone attempting to draw parallels between the two because both regularly alter(ed) attributes of game aspects that the developers determined were detrimental to the game on the whole and projecting that the end of Eve is at hand because of this needs to reexamine their argument and cease namedropping SOE every time something happens.

Big Al The Aftermath	Posted - 2007.11.19 02:59:00 - [11] The base speed of cruise hasn't changed, it's either a bugged bonus or an error between the screen and your chair.
Dred'Pirate Jesus Amarr Ministry of War	Posted - 2007.11.19 03:03:00 - [12] I'm going to assume this change is on SISI and given the Devs predilection to pranking the playerbase I'd say its just another Bree moment to see all the people rush to the forums and complain about something thats not even in the game or was ever planned to be in the game.. Though if its true and gets sent to tranq then Stealth Bombers get the nerfbat yet again.. Originally by: David Hackworth ò If you find yourself in a fair fight, you didn't plan your mission properly.
Crumplecorn Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations	Posted - 2007.11.19 03:05:00 - [13] Originally by: Karyuudo Tydraad See! It's vaguely similar to some form of deductive reasoning in its structure! - I wish I was a three foot female doll with a watering can and heterochromatic eyes.
Wacoede Amarr Allied Combat Team Endless Horizon	Posted - 2007.11.19 03:07:00 - [14] Originally by: Big Al .... or an error between the screen and your chair. thats called a P.E.B.C.A.K. let you figure out what it means ____________________________________________ An Idea about Bounties V2
Le Skunk Low Sec Liberators	Posted - 2007.11.19 03:19:00 - [15] Originally by: Karlemgne Edited by: Karlemgne on 19/11/2007 02:40:10 Originally by: Silentbrick I think you both better report to Eve Uni right quick, cause apparently you cannot read. I didn't say I was quitting. I'll be here til the game dies, which isn't long from the look of things. Reading Comprehension FTW. And feel free to contract your personal, corp and alliance assets to the Uni. Donations are appreciated. What? I mean, you are totally right, EvE is on the SWG plan. Bo-ho cries for Mr. Brick You might as well leave now and go play another MMO, but I'll hold your stuff for you, so that if you ever want to come back to such a sucky game as eve-online (after all its just like SWG) it will be warmed up and waiting for you. Okay, that aside, you seemed to have failed in understanding us. You see, neither of us actually expected you to leave and even if you were going to leave, neither of us expected you to give us your stuff. By saying, "can I have your stuff," we are trying to tell you that you are ridiculous, and that it would be better for the eve community if the whiners like yourself left. Think of "can I have your stuff" as akin to someone saying somewhere else, "you don't like it?" "Then don't let the door hit you in the ass on your way out." -Karl This borks stealth bomber pilots to SKUNK
Arrs Grazznic FireStar Inc Pure.	Posted - 2007.11.19 03:27:00 - [16] Originally by: Wacoede Originally by: Big Al .... or an error between the screen and your chair. thats called a P.E.B.C.A.K. let you figure out what it means Damn, beat me to it! Cheers, Arrs
F'nog Amarr Celestial Horizon Corp. Valainaloce	Posted - 2007.11.19 03:41:00 - [17] Originally by: Silentbrick Thanks ever so much for making PVPing as Caldari so much harder. Yeah, because there are so many pilots stupid enough to wait out the travel time from over 200K on a missile instead of warping out? Even at 157K anybody with half a brain will have warped out before you missiles hit. Missiles are and always have been useless as sniping weapons. This is not a bad thing; it's balance. If you want to snipe, use a gun. If you don't want to worry about tracking, use missiles. So, basically, this change does nothing to affect PvP. Maybe sniping rats, but that's it. Originally by: Karen Serasia Because some idiot decided to sell an internet connection to me and didn't think of the consequences.
Arthur Frayn Veterans Of Liberation Ltd.	Posted - 2007.11.19 03:46:00 - [18] The only realm of pvp I could see this hurting would be anti-inty warfare - and that's already a shaky argument due to any inty outrunning missile explosion radius/velocity. It makes no difference to me if this is a real nerf. -- Eve needs a dose of Top Gun without the sweaty shower scenes.
Silentbrick Caldari Eve University Ivy League	Posted - 2007.11.19 05:12:00 - [19] If the implications it has for PVP are beyond you, then clearly you have some serious blind spots in your tactical doctrine. Suffice it to say that we often use extended cruise missile bombardment to drive snipers away from gates in empire warfare. Sniper battleships very often have little or no tank and a Raven with a moderate tank plus cruise missiles is very capable of driving snipers away from a gate so our lighter units can transit without coming under fire. Yes, it does not often kill a sniper, but driving a sniper off to prevent the enemy from getting a few free ganks of frigates and other light craft is well worth it. And BTW, this is live on Tranquility, not Sisi. All it takes is a quick check to see.
Tortun Nahme Minmatar Heimatar Services Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.11.19 05:37:00 - [20] oddly mine hasn't changed? what was nerfed? Originally by: Cecil Montague They should change that warning on entering low sec to: "Go read Crime and Punishment for a few days then come back."

08891	Posted - 2007.11.19 05:39:00 - [21] My guess: the stats haven't changed. This is a case of the missile stats not showing up properly.
Dred'Pirate Jesus Amarr Ministry of War	Posted - 2007.11.19 05:42:00 - [22] Originally by: Silentbrick And BTW, this is live on Tranquility, not Sisi. All it takes is a quick check to see. Wait.. I just checked my bomber pilot and yes his cruise are at 5250 but then again I don't really remember when it was any faster.. Any cruise specialists want to chime in as I rarely ever use them anymore except as was mentioned before to harrass gate campers into warping away so a ship can run the camp.. Might explain why when they came back in intys I could never hit them.. Originally by: David Hackworth ò If you find yourself in a fair fight, you didn't plan your mission properly.
Kuolematon Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United Cult of War	Posted - 2007.11.19 05:47:00 - [23] Originally by: Crumplecorn DESU .. thanks. Now we know your account name is "Crumplecorn" It's great being Amarr isn't it.
Silentbrick Caldari Eve University Ivy League	Posted - 2007.11.19 05:49:00 - [24] Logged back in and looked. It's now back to what it was before 7875 m/s which at 30 seconds flight time is 236km. Yet when I was firing at a war target earlier tonight, I was not hitting him at 180km. So maybe they screwed something up in the patch, I don't know, but it was definite and several of my other raven pilots confirmed it. It's possible there was a bug in the raven's bonuses, which would negate the 50% velocity bonus it gives at level 5. Not sure. But definitely very strange. Maybe it's time the Uni offers a 'How to use a Raven in PVP' class. Anyway, they are very useful in Empire wars.
Dred'Pirate Jesus Amarr Ministry of War	Posted - 2007.11.19 05:51:00 - [25] Originally by: David Hackworth ò If you find yourself in a fair fight, you didn't plan your mission properly.
Amarria Black Clan Anthraxx	Posted - 2007.11.19 05:59:00 - [26] Perhaps EVE-U should start offering classes in how to properly test and verify information before jumping on the forums to kvetch. Just a thought.
Tortun Nahme Minmatar Heimatar Services Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.11.19 06:02:00 - [27] Originally by: Amarria Black Perhaps EVE-U should start offering classes in how to properly test and verify information before jumping on the forums to kvetch. Just a thought. epic win Originally by: Cecil Montague They should change that warning on entering low sec to: "Go read Crime and Punishment for a few days then come back."
Dred'Pirate Jesus Amarr Ministry of War	Posted - 2007.11.19 06:06:00 - [28] Originally by: Amarria Black Perhaps EVE-U should start offering classes in how to properly test and verify information before jumping on the forums to kvetch. Just a thought. Originally by: David Hackworth ò If you find yourself in a fair fight, you didn't plan your mission properly.
ZerKar Caldari Zen'Tar	Posted - 2007.11.19 06:49:00 - [29] Originally by: Dred'Pirate Jesus I'm going to assume this change is on SISI and given the Devs predilection to pranking the playerbase I'd say its just another Bree moment to see all the people rush to the forums and complain about something thats not even in the game or was ever planned to be in the game.. Though if its true and gets sent to tranq then Stealth Bombers get the nerfbat yet again.. Bree moment? lol. Ah so we have infiltrated everything about EvE...Good to know. +++++++++++++++ I saw the Sign...! O.o
umop 3pisdn Minmatar Fnck the blob.	Posted - 2007.11.19 07:14:00 - [30] Edited by: umop 3pisdn on 19/11/2007 07:15:09 Nerf the explosion radius of cruise, they are overpowered vs. small ships. For comparisons sake lets compare them with a rail mega at point blank range hitting a frig and see why its overpowered. Remember, the Eos was overpowered compared to other CS's, and so are cruise Nerf Nerf.



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