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Melathonis Meradin	Posted - 2007.11.19 08:12:00 - [31] Yeah, man, what really sucks for Caldari is when you're pvping and your missiles miss because of tracking and you can't use ECM or shield tank worth a damn, and you also need more SP than anyone else to optimize your race's best ships and you can only do two damage types and the census says nobody even wants to play your race, and none of your primary weapons get huge DPS boosts and none of your ECM ships are granted bonuses previously exclusive to recons. All those are examples of why being Caldari is just utterly impossible in today's EVE environment.
Shardrael Caldari AWE Corporation Intrepid Crossing	Posted - 2007.11.19 08:46:00 - [32] Edited by: Shardrael on 19/11/2007 08:47:29 tbo I am surprised this came but its not without sense. What other race can hit out to 250 without fulling gimping the ship to do it. granted the time delay between hitting and firing did balance that somewhat and if they wanted to drop the range I would rather them have dropped the flight time and upped the speed but just the same its not without reason edit: on a side note, pray this is the only nerf that comes your way, atm it seems like the bat was handed off to someone after drinking a whole bottle of vodka who then went to randomly swining it around the room. I mean these are the people that just nerfed their own forum mods.....
Roemy Schneider BINFORD Solidus Alliance	Posted - 2007.11.19 12:57:00 - [33] defender missles \o/ - putting the gist back into logistics
Cpt Branko The Bloody Red	Posted - 2007.11.19 13:24:00 - [34] Originally by: Karlemgne Originally by: Arthur Frayn Would you kindly permit me to acquire your worldly goods? I was first. I get his stuff. -Karl He asked it in a nicer way.
Steve Hawkings	Posted - 2007.11.19 13:27:00 - [35] damn your actually gonna have to get close enough to stuff so that it can actually shoot back !!!!
Relaed Minmatar Brutor tribe	Posted - 2007.11.19 13:32:00 - [36] I hear they are going to compensate for this by making a missile that actually catches up to your opponent, does no damage, but the blast disrupts their micro-warp drive, creating a temporary web on them. If you keep firing the web missiles at them, they will be perma-webbed...from your maximum range. How cool is that!!
Foppemoa Caldari Royal Swedish Capsulers Inc.	Posted - 2007.11.19 14:23:00 - [37] Where did you hear that from? a small bird or the jungle drums? -------------------------------------------- Originally by: GLaDOS "But there is no sense crying over every mistake You just keep on trying until you run out of cake"
Jenna Shame	Posted - 2007.11.19 14:46:00 - [38] If you haven't noticed the devs have been nerfing pretty much every specialized play style. Nos boats, drones, ammar recons, ecm, damps, etc. While I never would enjoy the 'sniping' raven, one corp did, and did it very well vrs clueless victims. To me, this is a Burn Eden nerf as it has always been a big part of their play style, as utterly boring that style is to most people. I think the devs must have had a survey of why new players left and 'the game is to hard' was their number one reason. So its being slowly dumbed down to a DPS vrs Tank game.
Commodore Andrews Golden Goose Inc	Posted - 2007.11.19 15:21:00 - [39] Originally by: Jenna Shame If you haven't noticed the devs have been nerfing pretty much every specialized play style. Nos boats, drones, ammar recons, ecm, damps, etc. While I never would enjoy the 'sniping' raven, one corp did, and did it very well vrs clueless victims. To me, this is a Burn Eden nerf as it has always been a big part of their play style, as utterly boring that style is to most people. I think the devs must have had a survey of why new players left and 'the game is to hard' was their number one reason. So its being slowly dumbed down to a DPS vrs Tank game. QFT "Discussing moderation is a violation of the forum rules." <--- OMGWTF N4ZIS!!! Who Does That? lol
Malcanis High4Life SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2007.11.19 15:25:00 - [40] Originally by: Silentbrick Edited by: Silentbrick on 19/11/2007 02:25:23 Just fair warning to all Raven pilots or cruise missile users. Check your range. With the last patch, top speed of cruise missiles has dropped 2,000 m/s. I have Caldari Battleship 5, Missile Bombardment 5, Missile Projection 4 and top speed on my cruise missiles went from 7250 to 5250. Range wise that's a drop from 217km to 157km. Rechecking the dev blogs and patch notes reveals no warning or comment from CCP about these changes. Thanks ever so much for making PVPing as Caldari so much harder. Eve is on that lovely Star Wars Galaxies plan I believe. At times I almost miss my Master Armorsmith from there...then I remember how the entire game quickly became musical nerfs. It's sad to see a game with this much potential circling the drain at the urging of it's developers. WTF? Why was this required? 30 seconds isn't enough time for people at extreme range to get out of the way? Reduce the flight time if you want to reduce range, sure, but not speed. CONCORD provide consequences, not safety; only you can do that.

Malcanis High4Life SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2007.11.19 15:48:00 - [41] Originally by: Arthur Frayn The only realm of pvp I could see this hurting would be anti-inty warfare - and that's already a shaky argument due to any inty outrunning missile explosion radius/velocity. It makes no difference to me if this is a real nerf. err right, because inties are the only ships that you ever see doing more than 500m/s CONCORD provide consequences, not safety; only you can do that.
Tortun Nahme Minmatar Heimatar Services Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.11.19 16:27:00 - [42] wts: Clue, for the people that didn't read past the first post Originally by: Cecil Montague They should change that warning on entering low sec to: "Go read Crime and Punishment for a few days then come back."
MrTripps Gallente	Posted - 2007.11.19 16:36:00 - [43] Originally by: Jenna Shame To me, this is a Burn Eden nerf as it has always been a big part of their play style, We just spent a couple of weeks fighting a group that used sniping Ravens that were hitting from about 250. It was an effective tactic when used against players that have never encountered it before. Can anyone confirm this nerf ever happened? It sounds more like a bugged stat. I'd hate for my Nemesis to be nerfed before I got the chance to fit it. Certainty of death...small chance of success...what are we waiting for? - Gimli
Xaldor	Posted - 2007.11.19 16:57:00 - [44] Edited by: Xaldor on 19/11/2007 16:58:14 Originally by: F'nog Yeah, because there are so many pilots stupid enough to wait out the travel time from over 200K on a missile instead of warping out? In gang and fleet battles it can be hard to tell that missiles are coming after you until its too late, when there are lots of other things distracting you. People need to stop thinking that just because a Cruise can go 250km that people will be sitting 250km away. It is total distance travelled. You can be 10km away but if a smaller ship is travelling fast then your missile has to travel a long way to reach the target. Anyone who is dead in the water is as good as dead anyway and doesn't need you firing from 250km away. Quote: Even at 157K anybody with half a brain will have warped out before you missiles hit. You are thinking 1 vs 1 engagements. It is a MMO and one of the M's stands for massively. In 1 vs 1 they are not terribly effective, but either are remote repairers or shield and energy transfer modules. Quote: Missiles are and always have been useless as sniping weapons. This is not a bad thing; it's balance. If you want to snipe, use a gun. If you don't want to worry about tracking, use missiles. They are pretty effective with Stealth Bombers for sniping smaller ships. A Raven can also be an effective long range fire support ship in gang/fleet battles and provide protection against smaller ships with precision cruise missiles. At the speed some of the smaller ships travel at, hitting them with large guns isn't very effective. A Raven equipped with Precision Cruise and Warhead Flare Catalyst rigs can have their cruise travel 127km at 8.4km/sec and have an effective explosion velocity of 2.3km/sec which puts them in the range where a salvo of precision cruise from a Raven is going to hurt MWD equipped cruiser ships where guns would otherwise not be effective. Quote: So, basically, this change does nothing to affect PvP. Maybe sniping rats, but that's it. There is no change but a change would have PvP implications. Just because you are not Caldari and do not value what missiles can bring to PvP it doesn't mean that they add nothing.
Pitt Bull Caldari	Posted - 2007.11.19 17:05:00 - [45] Originally by: Karyuudo Tydraad I'm not saying SWG wasn't a horrible game and a waste of a good portion of my life, but I am saying that everyone attempting to draw parallels between the two because both regularly alter(ed) attributes of game aspects that the developers determined were detrimental to the game on the whole and projecting that the end of Eve is at hand because of this needs to reexamine their argument and cease namedropping SOE every time something happens. First of all, run-on sentances are a ***** to read. Second, SWG died because of non-stop changes to the game mechanics more than anything. They wouldn't give the players time to adapt before changing something around again and making the other thing useless. I see it happening here in EVE too, but I haven't been affected by it yet because I'm still new.
Peter Armstrong Caldari Trinity Corporate Services	Posted - 2007.11.19 17:09:00 - [46] Originally by: Silentbrick I think you both better report to Eve Uni right quick, cause apparently you cannot read. I didn't say I was quitting. I'll be here til the game dies, which isn't long from the look of things. Reading Comprehension FTW. And feel free to contract your personal, corp and alliance assets to the Uni. Donations are appreciated. Reading Comprehension FTW??? yer and can you not read your self? he didn't even say anything that your leaving so STFU and stop crying! Also since when EVE uni started to make personal attacks? so again STFU! Soon I seen this comment this doesn't interest me and you just fail all over. ------------------------------------ It's all part of the Experiance!

CCP Nozh	Posted - 2007.11.19 18:29:00 - [47] We didn't change cruise missiles at all. I even logged on to SISI to check this out with no results, I was still able to hit targets from over 200km range. Do you have any more info on this? Nozh Game Designer CCP Games

Tortun Nahme Minmatar Heimatar Services Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.11.19 18:40:00 - [48] it was a display bug, we already nailed him on it does no one read Originally by: Cecil Montague They should change that warning on entering low sec to: "Go read Crime and Punishment for a few days then come back."
Jenna Shame	Posted - 2007.11.19 18:40:00 - [49] Originally by: CCP Nozh We didn't change cruise missiles at all. I even logged on to SISI to check this out with no results, I was still able to hit targets from over 200km range. Do you have any more info on this? You mean you DIDN'T nerf something? I'm shocked. Thats so unlike you guys lately.
Nasair	Posted - 2007.11.19 18:42:00 - [50] Originally by: Jenna Shame Originally by: CCP Nozh We didn't change cruise missiles at all. I even logged on to SISI to check this out with no results, I was still able to hit targets from over 200km range. Do you have any more info on this? You mean you DIDN'T nerf something? I'm shocked. Thats so unlike you guys lately.

Aypse D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.11.19 18:44:00 - [51] Originally by: Jenna Shame Originally by: CCP Nozh We didn't change cruise missiles at all. I even logged on to SISI to check this out with no results, I was still able to hit targets from over 200km range. Do you have any more info on this? You mean you DIDN'T nerf something? I'm shocked. Thats so unlike you guys lately. I feel obligated to state that this players attitude doesn't represent the playerbase. Originally by: Oveur Eve is primarily a PVP game and hence our focus is on making that experience balanced.
Dred'Pirate Jesus Amarr Ministry of War	Posted - 2007.11.19 18:53:00 - [52] Originally by: Aypse Originally by: Jenna Shame Originally by: CCP Nozh We didn't change cruise missiles at all. I even logged on to SISI to check this out with no results, I was still able to hit targets from over 200km range. Do you have any more info on this? You mean you DIDN'T nerf something? I'm shocked. Thats so unlike you guys lately. I feel obligated to state that this players attitude doesn't represent the playerbase. It certainly represents the forumbase though.. Originally by: David Hackworth ò If you find yourself in a fair fight, you didn't plan your mission properly.

CCP Nozh	Posted - 2007.11.19 18:56:00 - [53] Ok, locking thread since this was a display bug. Nozh Game Designer CCP Games

Xaen Caldari Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2007.11.19 18:56:00 - [54] Originally by: Commodore Andrews Originally by: Jenna Shame If you haven't noticed the devs have been nerfing pretty much every specialized play style. Nos boats, drones, ammar recons, ecm, damps, etc. While I never would enjoy the 'sniping' raven, one corp did, and did it very well vrs clueless victims. To me, this is a Burn Eden nerf as it has always been a big part of their play style, as utterly boring that style is to most people. I think the devs must have had a survey of why new players left and 'the game is to hard' was their number one reason. So its being slowly dumbed down to a DPS vrs Tank game. QFT Ya think? It's either grow your player base or die as a company. Of course they will. And you thought the resurrection of "the power of two deal" (which was then extended!) was a coincidence? For once this isn't as appropriate: [ 2007.10.22 14:10:46 ] (combat) CCP's Lack of Perspective Cannon perfectly strikes CCP's foot, wrecking for 3424098701.07 USD. -- Support fixing the EVE UI \| Suggest Jita fixes
Silentbrick Caldari Eve University Ivy League	Posted - 2007.11.19 19:04:00 - [55] It was not a display bug. I was firing at a stationary target at 188km away and my cruise were not reaching the target. When I checked show info, right clicking on the cap display, going to modules and checking the attributes of the missiles loaded, it showed missile velocity at 5250 m/s and flight time of 30 seconds. As stated, with skills, it should have been 7875 m/s and 30 seconds. One of pilots who served as the warp in point was also there and witnessed it. After our fleet returned to our HQ, more than 20 jumps away, I double checked the missile info while loaded from the fitting screen in the station and it was the same. From the logs, time for the second attack was [ 2007.11.18 21:35:47 ]. End time for the first based on warping away from the engagement area was [ 2007.11.18 21:31:59 ] Target's name was Aldamir Anarion (Claymore). Location was Pakhshi, on the Tar gate.


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