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Noah Trent	Posted - 2007.11.19 04:36:00 - [1] It is becoming ever more apparent that the CONCORD Assembly is corrupt. Recent events should have been a real eye opener for most citizens within our great Caldari state. The Assembly has outlived it's purpose. I don't know about the rest of the pilots within our great state, but the ammount of power CONCORD holds is truely frightening. A single one of their frigates could overpower a well fitted Battleship in mere moments. That is not the kind of power you want in the hands of a corrupt orginazation. Help me abolish CONCORD. Band with me and force the corrupt out of power!
marieclaude alt	Posted - 2007.11.19 04:57:00 - [2] im not certain abolishing concord is a good idea as without them all space would become unsafe.i propose that concord share some thier diabolicale ships and weapons with the law abiding public. say form a corp that citzens could do trade and missions for? hand out blueprint copies to the concord commander battleships perhaps? maybe a liaison between concord and the public to sort out when citizens make honest mistakes rather than just blow up your ship and ask questions at the funeral.
Noah Trent	Posted - 2007.11.19 05:05:00 - [3] Personally, I believe the chances of them doing something like that are slim to null. Would you share the secret to your near godly power if you had it? No sane man would. I don't know about the rest of you, but I feel I have the means to protect myself in most situations. I would rather win my own battles than be babied by CONCORD. Just heed my words Gal-Net. One day CONCORD will utilize the power they weild to control the free races, and by that day CONCORD will be so advanced that we would be HELPLESS.
Natalcya Katla Astropolitan Front	Posted - 2007.11.19 06:46:00 - [4] What next?
Andreus Ixiris Gallente Mixed Metaphor	Posted - 2007.11.19 10:44:00 - [5] That's amazing - three people who can speak an entire paragraph without breathing in once! ----- Mixed Metaphor is now recruiting! Contact me for details.
Rana Ash Minmatar Aeon Trinity	Posted - 2007.11.19 14:14:00 - [6] Seems that someone did something naughty and was properly punished by the law ¦on Trinity is recruting, inquire within for details lyret dedreen
Aria Jenneth Caldari Omerta Syndicate	Posted - 2007.11.19 15:08:00 - [7] Edited by: Aria Jenneth on 19/11/2007 15:14:44 Edited by: Aria Jenneth on 19/11/2007 15:09:44 I can say from experience that those frigates aren't so invincible in nullsec, Mr. Trent. In fact, they're quite vulnerable even to a single capsuleer-piloted interceptor. Considering the limitations on fitting and so on, I'd suggest that the CONCORD ships in high security systems operate in tandem with some sort of very powerful, long-range electronic warfare projection system, probably based in stationary facilities. This is just speculation, of course, but I wouldn't go assuming that CONCORD is capable of arbitrarily overpowering us anywhere and everywhere. It has its bases of power, but its omnipotence is limited to those. An alternate interpretation is that CONCORD has built failsafes into capsuleer vessels that allow them to send a signal to our ships in hisec and thus cause them to effectively roll over and play dead when confronted by a CONCORD force, thus rendering their electronic warfare systems hideously effective. You can bet that the national navies are limited by no such failsafes. Nor do conventional vessels such as Gurista pirate scouts suffer any such malady. Perhaps the failsafe is built into the pod interface, somehow.
Rodj Blake Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.11.19 15:41:00 - [8] It's time that CONCORD admitted that they are not fit for purpose. Apart from anything that happens in space, let us consider their progress in their investigation into the assassination of Emperor Doriam II. After well over two years they have got precisely nowhere. Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
Daelin Blackleaf Aliastra	Posted - 2007.11.19 16:43:00 - [9] Abolish CONCORD. On what grounds? With what as a replacement? For what purpose? Have you thought this through at all Mr. Trent? CONCORD has undoubtedly done more good the cluster than any other organization in recorded history. They may not be perfect, but exactly what shining paragon of nanvetT and innocent perfection do you propose as their replacement and how well do you feel such a group would cope with the realities of the task? I find it somewhat entertaining that upon realizing CONCORD may have actual security measures and classification of information people start ranting about cover-ups and the like. CONCORD was set-up to act in the best interests of all five empires. If you have proof that it is acting counter to that feel free to let us know. Until then I'd advise following the example recently set by Mera Vahlsina, that of forwarding your concerns through official channels. -------- EVE Trinity: THE SKY IS FALLING!
Nachshon Caldari Gradient Electus Matari	Posted - 2007.11.19 17:10:00 - [10] Edited by: Nachshon on 19/11/2007 17:12:23 My personal theory regarding CONCORD weapons is that their weapons are in fact based on Jovian technology. Perhaps we should consider attempting to infiltrate the ranks of CONCORD and steal their blueprints? I do fear that CONCORD might try to use their superweapons to take over Empire. I'm not sure that they are that scheming, but we should prepare for such an eventuality. I'll get the RSS on the job. ____________________________________ Caldari by birth, Minmatar by citizenship. The True Meaning of Freedom
Noah Trent	Posted - 2007.11.19 20:02:00 - [11] Daelin Blackleaf, you seem convinced that CONCORD only acts in good faith, however there is no way to know for certian. All their records, good or otherwise are kept locked up. Such secrecy tells me they are up to no good. I'm willing to assume that should anyone manage to get ahold of that datachip, they would find CONCORD has been involved in many, if not all, of the more incidious happenings in our universe.
Daelin Blackleaf Aliastra	Posted - 2007.11.20 00:33:00 - [12] At what point did I manage to say I feel that CONCORD is completely clean? It's just not as dirty as many of it's detractors. If secrecy implies they are up to no good then just about every corporation I know of is guilty. Do the Caldari Megacorps not have secrets all of a sudden? Now, while I don't discount the possibility of this being something worthy investigation I do discount these consipiracy theories of yours. You almost make CONCORD sound more enigmatic than the Jovians. -------- EVE Trinity: THE SKY IS FALLING!
Tablaren Kingdom of Kador Dark Matter Coalition	Posted - 2007.11.20 00:57:00 - [13] Originally by: Daelin Blackleaf At what point did I manage to say I feel that CONCORD is completely clean? It's just not as dirty as many of it's detractors. If secrecy implies they are up to no good then just about every corporation I know of is guilty. Do the Caldari Megacorps not have secrets all of a sudden? Now, while I don't discount the possibility of this being something worthy investigation I do discount these consipiracy theories of yours. You almost make CONCORD sound more enigmatic than the Jovians. The calderi megacorps have records that they have on occasion turned over to others when their actions have been in doubt. The amarr and gallante navy both keep records that the holders or civil courts can demand. The RSS answers to the republic. All these groups do try keep their operations secretive but they all answer to someone. Who does Concord answer too? Who has the ability to go through their records and is able to bring their leaders to justice? Even the heirs to the throne of Amarr answer to someone as was the case with Brother Joshua so recently. I've heard it once said that power corrupts, but absolute power corrupts absolutly.
Noah Trent	Posted - 2007.11.20 02:31:00 - [14] Thank you, Tablaren, for finding the words I could not express on my own. I may not be the most eloquent man to grace this universe, but you certianly seem to be one of those blessed with the gift. Daelin, the Caldari Megacorporations anwser to their share holders and there are public records of their works. The public can at anytime choose to see the happenings of the corporation. In regards to your remark about the Jovians, it is true, I do believe CONCORD to be more enigmatic than they. I also believe CONCORD to be more dangerous...
Daelin Blackleaf Aliastra	Posted - 2007.11.20 12:19:00 - [15] Again complaints without suggestions. Who would you like CONCORD to answer to? Perhaps an assembly made up of representatives from all races... no, wait, it already does. You have a better suggestion perhaps? CONCORD keeps some public records, it is open to scrutiny from the assembly, internally, and from independent empire inquiry. You would rather CONCORD was managed by a small number of share-holders instead of all this? Don't try telling me the Megacorps are free and open, I have operated within the State. The Megacorps are jealously secretive of their projects, even the most innocent seeming details are withheld due to fear of their competitors stealing their personnel and their work. No Megacorp has ever kidnapped a civilian researcher though have they, none has every reeled out a roll of red-tape so long that be the time people are though it many are dead, none could imagine abusing it's position to obtain a greater market share could it. No share-holders make sure this kind of thing never happens. -------- EVE Trinity: THE SKY IS FALLING!
Noah Trent	Posted - 2007.11.20 19:02:00 - [16] Edited by: Noah Trent on 20/11/2007 19:05:03 Precisely. I wouldn't expect a Gallente child-lover to understand this, but bad publicity is bad for business. As far as suggestions for replacing CONCORD go, I have none. I do not want CONCORD replaced. They are extranious and corrput. Even as we speak, CONCORD is withholding vital plans on a new frigate class ship that is to enter production, and according to the Alpha Gamma 12 Directive this kind of information is to be shared among the empires to keep one from gaining too much power. Just more proof that CONCORD is incompetant and corrupt. They've out lived their purpose. It is time pilots defend themselvs in space. Hell, we've all got clones. It's not like any of us are going to die without concord.
Daelin Blackleaf Aliastra	Posted - 2007.11.22 00:49:00 - [17] Edited by: Daelin Blackleaf on 22/11/2007 00:52:23 Except for those the DED is there to protect. They are there to protect the five empires assets, interests, and safety in space from threats both external and internal. They are not there to protect us. It's more often a case of them defending the empires from us. Those of us with capsuleer implants all have clones, few others do, and most of those privileged few are not working hands-on in the space industry. When most people die out here they stay dead. Either you are mentally deficient and somehow unaware of this or you are psychopathic and simply don't consider them people anymore. In reference to your latest conspiracy theory, would the unreleased data you refer to be anything to do with Core Complexions? The corporation that has been working on said designs and who, alongside CONCORD, are following the Alpha Gamma 12 Directive to the letter. Perhaps you refer to Itsukame Innovations, who are currently in almost exactly the same situation regarding their recent advances in applied wormhole technology, or even Duvolle Labs with their new hardpoint advances. We live in interesting times Mr. Trent, but perhaps not so interesting as the paranoid theories your mind seems to conjure. If CONCORD were incompetent in this matter they would allow the empires to gain advances over each other until eventually one of them feels they hold enough of an advantage to declare war. The death-toll would be catastrophic and CONCORD would have failed in their primary purpose as an organization. CONCORD has bought us a hundred years of peace, compromise, and co-operation. They have made trade and the entire space industry safer for those at risk. They have protected the empires from threats beyond their reach, and are the only non-capsuleer organization that can pursue a threat across borders or effectively fight one that operates in more than one empire. CONCORD is a lot more than just the DED Mr. Trent and the DED is lot more than just a special taskforce put in place to punish law breaking capsuleers. CONCORD is not out to get you, it is not hiding under your bed, it is not responsible for all the evils in the cluster, it is not stealing your left socks, nor broadcasting messages to you through implants in your teeth. CONCORD is there for the purpose of overseeing and aiding cooperation and relations between the five empires, the fact that we are having this conversation at all is testament to their success. -------- EVE Trinity: THE SKY IS FALLING!
Amoun Ra Caldari	Posted - 2007.11.22 17:39:00 - [18] Shame on you Mr.Trent for stating that CONCORD is corrupt when it is actually one of the main reasons for the prosperity of the Mega corporations of our Caldari state. Can you imagine trade routes ever being established without the protection of CONCORD can you imagine prosperity and wealth without the safety of CONCORD. How would you feel if you worked hard and traded hard only to see your hard earned wealth lost to a pirate ? You should be thanking CONCORD instead of accusing them and strive to be a better citizen of the Caldari state and whenever you feel like CONCORD is are not doing their job correctly i suggest you travel to the Jita system and witness the prosperity of trade and taste of high profit and the security provided by CONCORD.
X3S Minmatar Infestation. The Cosa Nostra	Posted - 2007.11.22 19:04:00 - [19] Corruption is everywhere, no matter where you look. CONCORD is not run by robots.. yet.
Jon Engel APEX Unlimited APEX Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.11.23 10:09:00 - [20] Originally by: Amoun Ra Shame on you Mr.Trent for stating that CONCORD is corrupt when it is actually one of the main reasons for the prosperity of the Mega corporations of our Caldari state. Can you imagine trade routes ever being established without the protection of CONCORD can you imagine prosperity and wealth without the safety of CONCORD. How would you feel if you worked hard and traded hard only to see your hard earned wealth lost to a pirate ? You should be thanking CONCORD instead of accusing them and strive to be a better citizen of the Caldari state and whenever you feel like CONCORD is are not doing their job correctly i suggest you travel to the Jita system and witness the prosperity of trade and taste of high profit and the security provided by CONCORD. How many Funds and Resources and Manpower of the Caldari State (as well as other Nations) are diverted to Concord Assembly. I fully believe that without Concord taxation and leeching from the other Nations, that the 6 main Nations of New Eden would have enough Money, ISK, and Personnel to guard there own Trade Routes. Besides, that is why the Megaconglomerates like Hyasyoda, or Roden Shipyards have Navies... If your not willing to defend it yourself, than you do not deserve it.
Karanth Gallente Crazy 88's	Posted - 2007.11.23 10:40:00 - [21] Originally by: Jon Engel Originally by: Amoun Ra Shame on you Mr.Trent for stating that CONCORD is corrupt when it is actually one of the main reasons for the prosperity of the Mega corporations of our Caldari state. Can you imagine trade routes ever being established without the protection of CONCORD can you imagine prosperity and wealth without the safety of CONCORD. How would you feel if you worked hard and traded hard only to see your hard earned wealth lost to a pirate ? You should be thanking CONCORD instead of accusing them and strive to be a better citizen of the Caldari state and whenever you feel like CONCORD is are not doing their job correctly i suggest you travel to the Jita system and witness the prosperity of trade and taste of high profit and the security provided by CONCORD. How many Funds and Resources and Manpower of the Caldari State (as well as other Nations) are diverted to Concord Assembly. I fully believe that without Concord taxation and leeching from the other Nations, that the 6 main Nations of New Eden would have enough Money, ISK, and Personnel to guard there own Trade Routes. Besides, that is why the Megaconglomerates like Hyasyoda, or Roden Shipyards have Navies... If your not willing to defend it yourself, than you do not deserve it. Could you name me this "6th" empire? I'm sure a large number of diplomats would like to know. All that's left... There is only one sig hijack that matters, the orginal and only member of the hijack squad. me. -Eris. ps Black russians are better then beer. Well, there's not many of us left! -Rauth
Laechyd Eldgorn Caldari Karjala Inc. Onnenpyora	Posted - 2007.11.23 12:13:00 - [22] Noah Trent is right. Whole concord organization is pretty much useless. Supporting their activities doesn't protect anyone and punishment services they offer are fairly useless. Not to mention bribery seems to be more like a rule instead of exception when dealing with them. I just fear the day when they start taxing everyone.
Daelin Blackleaf Aliastra	Posted - 2007.11.24 15:26:00 - [23] Originally by: Laechyd Eldgorn Whole concord organization is pretty much useless. I can only assume from this that somehow you have no idea what CONCORD actually do. The DED is the "protective" arm of CONCORD. Their job is to police space. They save countless lives every day and kill or imprison a vast number of criminals. The fact that they have some trouble dealing with immortal demi-gods who won't stay dead doesn't make them incapable of performing their job where the non-capsuleer space population is concerned. The DED is just one division of CONCORD. I'd also like to see evidence of this bribery you speak of especially since you claim it is so common. As for the day you fear, it arrived a long time ago. The SCC is a division of CONCORD and taxes transactions across the cluster. Next time you consider jumping on the band-wagon of a conspiracy nut perhaps you could take the time to actually learn a little about the subject. -------- EVE Trinity: THE SKY IS FALLING!
Jon Engel APEX Unlimited APEX Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.11.25 01:44:00 - [24] Originally by: Karanth Originally by: Jon Engel Originally by: Amoun Ra Shame on you Mr.Trent for stating that CONCORD is corrupt when it is actually one of the main reasons for the prosperity of the Mega corporations of our Caldari state. Can you imagine trade routes ever being established without the protection of CONCORD can you imagine prosperity and wealth without the safety of CONCORD. How would you feel if you worked hard and traded hard only to see your hard earned wealth lost to a pirate ? You should be thanking CONCORD instead of accusing them and strive to be a better citizen of the Caldari state and whenever you feel like CONCORD is are not doing their job correctly i suggest you travel to the Jita system and witness the prosperity of trade and taste of high profit and the security provided by CONCORD. How many Funds and Resources and Manpower of the Caldari State (as well as other Nations) are diverted to Concord Assembly. I fully believe that without Concord taxation and leeching from the other Nations, that the 6 main Nations of New Eden would have enough Money, ISK, and Personnel to guard there own Trade Routes. Besides, that is why the Megaconglomerates like Hyasyoda, or Roden Shipyards have Navies... If your not willing to defend it yourself, than you do not deserve it. Could you name me this "6th" empire? I'm sure a large number of diplomats would like to know. Gallente Federation, Caldari State, Minmitar Republic, Amarr Empire, Khanid Kingdom, Ammatar Mandate... New to the Cluster? I could throw in the Jove Empire, making it 7 soverign Nations. The point is, The Nations of Eve have enough manpower and resources to police there own territory fully. Without extranational bodies running rogue and infringing on Sovereignty of the Nations. War breaks out, Concord will be done away with, or simply and rightfully ignored.
Confliktus Caldari Black Motion Industries	Posted - 2007.11.25 12:14:00 - [25] Originally by: Jon Engel Originally by: Karanth Originally by: Jon Engel Originally by: Amoun Ra Shame on you Mr.Trent for stating that CONCORD is corrupt when it is actually one of the main reasons for the prosperity of the Mega corporations of our Caldari state. Can you imagine trade routes ever being established without the protection of CONCORD can you imagine prosperity and wealth without the safety of CONCORD. How would you feel if you worked hard and traded hard only to see your hard earned wealth lost to a pirate ? You should be thanking CONCORD instead of accusing them and strive to be a better citizen of the Caldari state and whenever you feel like CONCORD is are not doing their job correctly i suggest you travel to the Jita system and witness the prosperity of trade and taste of high profit and the security provided by CONCORD. How many Funds and Resources and Manpower of the Caldari State (as well as other Nations) are diverted to Concord Assembly. I fully believe that without Concord taxation and leeching from the other Nations, that the 6 main Nations of New Eden would have enough Money, ISK, and Personnel to guard there own Trade Routes. Besides, that is why the Megaconglomerates like Hyasyoda, or Roden Shipyards have Navies... If your not willing to defend it yourself, than you do not deserve it. Could you name me this "6th" empire? I'm sure a large number of diplomats would like to know. Gallente Federation, Caldari State, Minmitar Republic, Amarr Empire, Khanid Kingdom, Ammatar Mandate... New to the Cluster? I could throw in the Jove Empire, making it 7 soverign Nations. The point is, The Nations of Eve have enough manpower and resources to police there own territory fully. Without extranational bodies running rogue and infringing on Sovereignty of the Nations. War breaks out, Concord will be done away with, or simply and rightfully ignored. Excuse me dear sir but you seem to be mistaken on a couple of facts, both the Kingdom and the Mandate are extensions of the Amarr empire and not sovereign nations by itself. Independent, sovereign and with set borders are, the Caldari State, the Amarr Empire, the Gallente Federation, the Minmatar Republic and the Jovian Empire. Other than that there are no other known empires in the cluster.
Confliktus Caldari Black Motion Industries	Posted - 2007.11.25 12:20:00 - [26] Originally by: Nachshon Edited by: Nachshon on 19/11/2007 17:12:23 My personal theory regarding CONCORD weapons is that their weapons are in fact based on Jovian technology. Perhaps we should consider attempting to infiltrate the ranks of CONCORD and steal their blueprints? I do fear that CONCORD might try to use their superweapons to take over Empire. I'm not sure that they are that scheming, but we should prepare for such an eventuality. I'll get the RSS on the job. Excuse me?I beg your pardon?Steal?Infiltrate Concord?Are these the directives by wich the Electus Matari regulate themselves? If it were not for Concord the Minmatar Republic would have far more low sec regions and more trouble handling criminals than there is right now. How can you even consider doing something like that to an organization that has sworn to protect and defend citizens everywhere, even in places were sometimes the navys do appear in very very dim numbers.
Tablaren Kingdom of Kador Dark Matter Coalition	Posted - 2007.11.25 20:08:00 - [27] Originally by: Confliktus Excuse me dear sir but you seem to be mistaken on a couple of facts, both the Kingdom and the Mandate are extensions of the Amarr empire and not sovereign nations by itself. Independent, sovereign and with set borders are, the Caldari State, the Amarr Empire, the Gallente Federation, the Minmatar Republic and the Jovian Empire. Other than that there are no other known empires in the cluster. The Khanid Kingdom is in no way an extension of the amarr empire. If you see it as such you are blind to even the blazingly obvious. The Khanid people do share the belief of the Empire, as well as sharing a border however the similarities end there. The Khanid Navy is completely seperate from the amarr, The empire does not decide khanid policy, the khanid pay no taxes to amarr, nor do they even follow the same laws. You say that in order to be an empire you need "set borders" The khanid have set borders... unless you refer to the occasional shifting of borders which all empires have gone through. The jove empire has shrunk drastically, entire regions of it are now empty of Jovian presence... The Calderi lost their homeworld during the gallante-calderi war The Gallante gave up several of their systems The matari borders expand and shrink with great fluidity. The Amarr conquered all the way out to the Matari world of Eanna but lost some of those worlds in the coming revolution. So the only way your definition could possibly be true is if by "set borders" You mean that they control worlds which another government cannot tell them they can no longer have. But then, not only the khanid have set borders but also the Ammatar as it was Imperial Decree that they be given those worlds and no righteous amarr would go against the word of his emperor. So yes, he was right, 6 nations in the cluster.
Hasek Caldari-Raata Heavy Metals The Omni Federation	Posted - 2007.11.26 02:56:00 - [28] Edited by: Hasek on 26/11/2007 02:56:52 CONCORD has become nothing more then a deniable tool for the federation to use to force feed the rest of the empires its beliefs against our will. as I've said before and will say again the federation find it abhorrent that anyone believes differently then them while saying everyone has freedoms and rights to their own beliefs and is willing to use any means to force the rest of the universe to its twisted worldview
Erasma Dynami	Posted - 2007.11.26 04:51:00 - [29] Originally by: Hasek Edited by: Hasek on 26/11/2007 02:56:52 CONCORD has become nothing more then a deniable tool for the federation to use to force feed the rest of the empires its beliefs against our will. as I've said before and will say again the federation find it abhorrent that anyone believes differently then them while saying everyone has freedoms and rights to their own beliefs and is willing to use any means to force the rest of the universe to its twisted worldview This debate is rapidly spiraling into the realm of pure fantasy. Please do not make such completely ridiculous accusations unless you are prepared to bring evidence forward.
Confliktus Caldari Black Motion Industries	Posted - 2007.11.26 10:55:00 - [30] Originally by: Tablaren Originally by: Confliktus Excuse me dear sir but you seem to be mistaken on a couple of facts, both the Kingdom and the Mandate are extensions of the Amarr empire and not sovereign nations by itself. Independent, sovereign and with set borders are, the Caldari State, the Amarr Empire, the Gallente Federation, the Minmatar Republic and the Jovian Empire. Other than that there are no other known empires in the cluster. The Khanid Kingdom is in no way an extension of the amarr empire. If you see it as such you are blind to even the blazingly obvious. The Khanid people do share the belief of the Empire, as well as sharing a border however the similarities end there. The Khanid Navy is completely seperate from the amarr, The empire does not decide khanid policy, the khanid pay no taxes to amarr, nor do they even follow the same laws. You say that in order to be an empire you need "set borders" The khanid have set borders... unless you refer to the occasional shifting of borders which all empires have gone through. The jove empire has shrunk drastically, entire regions of it are now empty of Jovian presence... The Calderi lost their homeworld during the gallante-calderi war The Gallante gave up several of their systems The matari borders expand and shrink with great fluidity. The Amarr conquered all the way out to the Matari world of Eanna but lost some of those worlds in the coming revolution. So the only way your definition could possibly be true is if by "set borders" You mean that they control worlds which another government cannot tell them they can no longer have. But then, not only the khanid have set borders but also the Ammatar as it was Imperial Decree that they be given those worlds and no righteous amarr would go against the word of his emperor. So yes, he was right, 6 nations in the cluster. As long as the Amarrians dictate the rules, trough royal councelors, by wich the amatars and khanid have to live by you cannot consider them sovereign states. So again there no such thing as 6 nations.

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