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KerKnight	Posted - 2007.11.21 07:09:00 - [1] How do you know how far X lightyears is in EVE, for capitals and such? Is there an easy way to measure it that I'm missing, or do you have to use trial and error?
Alpine 69 Slacker Industries Exuro Mortis	Posted - 2007.11.21 07:12:00 - [2] ICSC Jumpplanner Sweet love for the ones that mod my sig <3 From her? You're on. -Rauth
Kuolematon Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United Cult of War	Posted - 2007.11.21 07:33:00 - [3] Btw, I always find it funny that 100 AU from Sun and we see habitable planets in EVE It's great being Amarr isn't it.
Minmatar Clerk	Posted - 2007.11.21 07:45:00 - [4] Originally by: Alpine 69 ICSC Jumpplanner I love you.
Stitcher Caldari legion of qui Terra Incognita.	Posted - 2007.11.21 07:47:00 - [5] Edited by: Stitcher on 21/11/2007 07:48:40 Originally by: Kuolematon Btw, I always find it funny that 100 AU from Sun and we see habitable planets in EVE Not strictly impossible. In fact, a star several times larger and hotter than Sol would definitely have a habitable zone that much further out. Our own sun is tiny and feeble next to some of the behemoths that are out there... There are starts in this galaxy alone that are the same size relative to OUR ENTIRE SOLAR SYSTEM as Sol is relative to Earth. - The game is not the problem. The problem is that you are not adapting to the game.
Andrue Amarr	Posted - 2007.11.21 07:56:00 - [6] Edited by: Andrue on 21/11/2007 08:00:28 Edited by: Andrue on 21/11/2007 07:58:07 Edited by: Andrue on 21/11/2007 07:57:27 Originally by: Stitcher Edited by: Stitcher on 21/11/2007 07:48:40 Originally by: Kuolematon Btw, I always find it funny that 100 AU from Sun and we see habitable planets in EVE Not strictly impossible. In fact, a star several times larger and hotter than Sol would definitely have a habitable zone that much further out. Our own sun is tiny and feeble next to some of the behemoths that are out there... There are starts in this galaxy alone that are the same size relative to OUR ENTIRE SOLAR SYSTEM as Sol is relative to Earth. I think it's pretty unlikely, though. In space radiation obeys the inverse square law so for a habitable planet to be 100AU from it's sun the star would have to be 10,000 times brighter, wouldn it? Not impossible but I doubt any star would burn for long enough at that level of activity. Those really large stars are dying and bloated from age I think. If there were other planets closer to the star then we could be even more sceptical. A star that bright with planets within 1AU would be impossible I think. But a final comment to the OP:AUs have little to do with lightyears (other than both being a measure of distance). An AU is an 'Astronimcal Unit' and is the mean distance between the Earth and the Sun (approx 98mil miles). A lightyear is the distance light travels in a year and it's a helluva lot further. 100AU is not even close to a light year. -- (Battle hardened industrialist) [Brackley, UK] My budgie can say "ploppy bottom". You have been warned.
Stitcher Caldari legion of qui Terra Incognita.	Posted - 2007.11.21 08:03:00 - [7] Originally by: Andrue Edited by: Andrue on 21/11/2007 07:58:07 Edited by: Andrue on 21/11/2007 07:57:27 Originally by: Stitcher Edited by: Stitcher on 21/11/2007 07:48:40 Originally by: Kuolematon Btw, I always find it funny that 100 AU from Sun and we see habitable planets in EVE Not strictly impossible. In fact, a star several times larger and hotter than Sol would definitely have a habitable zone that much further out. Our own sun is tiny and feeble next to some of the behemoths that are out there... There are starts in this galaxy alone that are the same size relative to OUR ENTIRE SOLAR SYSTEM as Sol is relative to Earth. I think it's pretty unlikely, though. In space radiation obeys the inverse square law so for a habitable planet to be 100AU from it's sun the star would have to be 10,000 times brighter, wouldn it? Not necessarily. it could put out the same amount of radiation per square mile of surface are as our own Sun does, but be 10,000 times larger. Quote: Not impossible but I doubt any star would burn for long enough at that level of activity. Those really large stars are dying and bloated from age I think. Not all of them. Some of them are just really freaking huge..... Quote: If there were other planets closer to the star then we could be even more sceptical. A star that bright with planets within 1AU would be impossible I think. Well yeah, there's the bit where you're more accurate. You're not really likely to get both. In all honesty your first point is also perfectly valid, I was just flexing my space-nerd muscles. - The game is not the problem. The problem is that you are not adapting to the game.
Andrue Amarr	Posted - 2007.11.21 08:31:00 - [8] Originally by: Stitcher Originally by: Andrue Edited by: Andrue on 21/11/2007 07:58:07 Edited by: Andrue on 21/11/2007 07:57:27 Originally by: Stitcher Edited by: Stitcher on 21/11/2007 07:48:40 Originally by: Kuolematon Btw, I always find it funny that 100 AU from Sun and we see habitable planets in EVE Not strictly impossible. In fact, a star several times larger and hotter than Sol would definitely have a habitable zone that much further out. Our own sun is tiny and feeble next to some of the behemoths that are out there... There are starts in this galaxy alone that are the same size relative to OUR ENTIRE SOLAR SYSTEM as Sol is relative to Earth. I think it's pretty unlikely, though. In space radiation obeys the inverse square law so for a habitable planet to be 100AU from it's sun the star would have to be 10,000 times brighter, wouldn it? Not necessarily. it could put out the same amount of radiation per square mile of surface are as our own Sun does, but be 10,000 times larger. Quote: Not impossible but I doubt any star would burn for long enough at that level of activity. Those really large stars are dying and bloated from age I think. Not all of them. Some of them are just really freaking huge..... Quote: If there were other planets closer to the star then we could be even more sceptical. A star that bright with planets within 1AU would be impossible I think. Well yeah, there's the bit where you're more accurate. You're not really likely to get both. In all honesty your first point is also perfectly valid, I was just flexing my space-nerd muscles. Lol! Let's just both agree that if the opportunity comes along to find out we will both be on that flight -- (Battle hardened industrialist) [Brackley, UK] My budgie can say "ploppy bottom". You have been warned.
Rodj Blake Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.11.21 09:13:00 - [9] Originally by: Stitcher Edited by: Stitcher on 21/11/2007 07:48:40 Originally by: Kuolematon Btw, I always find it funny that 100 AU from Sun and we see habitable planets in EVE Not strictly impossible. In fact, a star several times larger and hotter than Sol would definitely have a habitable zone that much further out. Our own sun is tiny and feeble next to some of the behemoths that are out there... There are starts in this galaxy alone that are the same size relative to OUR ENTIRE SOLAR SYSTEM as Sol is relative to Earth. Plus these distant planets could have some sort of greenhouse effect going on. I imagine that an 80% carbon dioxide atmosphere would be pretty good at trapping the heat. Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
Andrue Amarr	Posted - 2007.11.21 13:16:00 - [10] Edited by: Andrue on 21/11/2007 13:17:31 Originally by: Rodj Blake Originally by: Stitcher Edited by: Stitcher on 21/11/2007 07:48:40 Originally by: Kuolematon Btw, I always find it funny that 100 AU from Sun and we see habitable planets in EVE Not strictly impossible. In fact, a star several times larger and hotter than Sol would definitely have a habitable zone that much further out. Our own sun is tiny and feeble next to some of the behemoths that are out there... There are starts in this galaxy alone that are the same size relative to OUR ENTIRE SOLAR SYSTEM as Sol is relative to Earth. Plus these distant planets could have some sort of greenhouse effect going on. I imagine that an 80% carbon dioxide atmosphere would be pretty good at trapping the heat. But would a planet with an 80% CO2 atmosphere look like Earth? Give it a few years and we might find out Seriously:No. It wouldn't. 80% is a helluva lot more than we have right now. -- (Battle hardened industrialist) [Brackley, UK] My budgie can say "ploppy bottom". You have been warned.
Meiyang Lee Gallente Azteca Transportation Unlimited Gunboat Diplomacy	Posted - 2007.11.21 13:27:00 - [11] extremely high CO2 content doesn't necessarily retain heat very well. The atmosphere of Mars is 95% CO2, and its average temperature is an unpleasant 27 degrees celcius, its considerably less dense than earth's atmosphere, but you get the idea. Venus also has a CO2 atmosphere with a little sulphuric acid mixed in, and has a so-called Runnaway Greenhouse effect, giving it a surface temperature near the melting point of lead. But unlike mars its almost 100,000 times denser than earth's atmosphere. so the distance to its local star aswell as density make a massive difference to the temperatures a planet will have.
Andrue Amarr	Posted - 2007.11.21 14:55:00 - [12] Originally by: Meiyang Lee extremely high CO2 content doesn't necessarily retain heat very well. The atmosphere of Mars is 95% CO2, and its average temperature is an unpleasant 27 degrees celcius, its considerably less dense than earth's atmosphere, but you get the idea. Venus also has a CO2 atmosphere with a little sulphuric acid mixed in, and has a so-called Runnaway Greenhouse effect, giving it a surface temperature near the melting point of lead. But unlike mars its almost 100,000 times denser than earth's atmosphere. so the distance to its local star aswell as density make a massive difference to the temperatures a planet will have. Oh for sure. If the atmosphere only consisted of one molecule and that molecule was CO2 then it would have 100% concentration but naff-all effect on temperature But if the discussion is still bandying around the phrase 'Earth-like' then we can't let the atmosphere go too far adrift. Reducing atmospheric pressure to compensate for 80% CO2 would probably result in the oceans boiling away if they consist of water. Of course if you're going to define 'Earth-like' as 'Lots of white, blue and brown with a bit of green' then you quite a lot of lee-way to monkey around with things. Personally I'd define 'Earth-like' as being somewhere I could live without having to do anything worse than put on some clothes. If a spacesuit is a requirement then it ain't Earth-like. -- (Battle hardened industrialist) [Brackley, UK] My budgie can say "ploppy bottom". You have been warned.
Sheriff Jones Amarr Please Enter Password	Posted - 2007.11.21 14:56:00 - [13] Are you the same people who say "EVE isn't real life?" My opinions represent the opinions of my corporation completely. I'm the CEO damnit.
RaAshan	Posted - 2007.11.21 15:38:00 - [14] Are you the same people who say "EVE isn't real life?"
Maltitol Gallente Tides of Silence Hydra Alliance	Posted - 2007.11.21 15:54:00 - [15] Star Size Comparison Originally by: CCP Wrangler Well boohoo.
Xoria Krint The Movement	Posted - 2007.11.21 15:57:00 - [16] Are you the same people who say "EVE isn't real life?" - My Movies Hijack and die
Sheriff Jones Amarr Please Enter Password	Posted - 2007.11.21 15:59:00 - [17] Edited by: Sheriff Jones on 21/11/2007 15:58:55 I...started a "thing"? My opinions represent the opinions of my corporation completely. I'm the CEO damnit.
Xoria Krint The Movement	Posted - 2007.11.21 15:59:00 - [18] Originally by: Sheriff Jones Edited by: Sheriff Jones on 21/11/2007 15:58:55 I...started a "thing"? Yepp! Gratz duuude! - My Movies Hijack and die
RaAshan	Posted - 2007.11.21 17:26:00 - [19] Originally by: Sheriff Jones Edited by: Sheriff Jones on 21/11/2007 15:58:55 I...started a "thing"? Good Job man, you're one step closer to Eve-famous
Alz Shado Ever Flow DeStInY.	Posted - 2007.11.21 17:44:00 - [20] Maybe some of them are actually Dyson Spheres.
Ehranavaar	Posted - 2007.11.21 17:52:00 - [21] Originally by: Alz Shado Maybe some of them are actually Dyson Spheres. dyson spheres would show up as dull infrared objects that no one is going to mistake for a star.
Pwett Minmatar QUANT Corp. QUANT Hegemony	Posted - 2007.11.21 18:02:00 - [22] Originally by: KerKnight How do you know how far X lightyears is in EVE, for capitals and such? Is there an easy way to measure it that I'm missing, or do you have to use trial and error? I have my buddy fire his lasers in the target system and time how long it takes the flash to get to me. _______________ Pwett CEO, Founder, & Executor <Q> QUANT Hegemony
Sheriff Jones Amarr Please Enter Password	Posted - 2007.11.21 18:03:00 - [23] Edited by: Sheriff Jones on 21/11/2007 18:03:29 Originally by: Xoria Krint Yepp! Gratz duuude! Originally by: RaAshan Good Job man, you're one step closer to Eve-famous Hey, you can't start such a thing without the support of you guys My opinions represent the opinions of my corporation completely. I'm the CEO damnit.
WarlockX Amarr Free Trade Corp Kinetic Maelstrom Alliance	Posted - 2007.11.21 18:13:00 - [24] Edited by: WarlockX on 21/11/2007 18:14:06 Two things. 1. Why is the eve galaxy so tiny. Our galaxy is 50,000 Light years http://www.atlasoftheuniverse.com/galaxy.html 2. There are many sun types that would be big or bright enough to support a planet at 100 AU http://www.atlasoftheuniverse.com/startype.html edit: if you're wondering our sun is a G type sun ----------------------------------------------- "I often quote myself. It adds spice to my conversation."
Venkul Mul Gallente	Posted - 2007.11.21 18:24:00 - [25] Originally by: Meiyang Lee extremely high CO2 content doesn't necessarily retain heat very well. The atmosphere of Mars is 95% CO2, and its average temperature is an unpleasant 27 degrees celcius, its considerably less dense than earth's atmosphere, but you get the idea. Venus also has a CO2 atmosphere with a little sulphuric acid mixed in, and has a so-called Runnaway Greenhouse effect, giving it a surface temperature near the melting point of lead. But unlike mars its almost 100,000 times denser than earth's atmosphere. so the distance to its local star aswell as density make a massive difference to the temperatures a planet will have. 27 Celsius is an ideal temperature (80 F). A check in Wiki give me 133 K (min) 210 K (media) 293 K (max) as surface temperatures of Mars, those are Kelvin degrees, in Celsius -140, -63, +20; in Fahrenheit (barbaric measure) -220, -82, +68 (number rounded for convenience)
Haniblecter Teg F.R.E.E. Explorer Atrum Tempestas Foedus	Posted - 2007.11.21 18:36:00 - [26] Originally by: Stitcher Edited by: Stitcher on 21/11/2007 07:48:40 Originally by: Kuolematon Btw, I always find it funny that 100 AU from Sun and we see habitable planets in EVE Not strictly impossible. In fact, a star several times larger and hotter than Sol would definitely have a habitable zone that much further out. Our own sun is tiny and feeble next to some of the behemoths that are out there... There are starts in this galaxy alone that are the same size relative to OUR ENTIRE SOLAR SYSTEM as Sol is relative to Earth. They're called red giants, and they stay, maybe, 200k years like that. No time for evolution, maybe for colinization, so Ill give yo uthat. ----------------- Friends Forever Kill. BoB. Dead.
WarlockX Amarr Free Trade Corp Kinetic Maelstrom Alliance	Posted - 2007.11.21 18:42:00 - [27] Originally by: Haniblecter Teg Originally by: Stitcher Edited by: Stitcher on 21/11/2007 07:48:40 Originally by: Kuolematon Btw, I always find it funny that 100 AU from Sun and we see habitable planets in EVE Not strictly impossible. In fact, a star several times larger and hotter than Sol would definitely have a habitable zone that much further out. Our own sun is tiny and feeble next to some of the behemoths that are out there... There are starts in this galaxy alone that are the same size relative to OUR ENTIRE SOLAR SYSTEM as Sol is relative to Earth. They're called red giants, and they stay, maybe, 200k years like that. No time for evolution, maybe for colinization, so Ill give yo uthat. sigh, you didn't look at my link, i'll post it directly since that seems too hard for some ppl. Giant Stars Spectral type: G,K, or M Radius(Sun=1): 10 to 50 Mass(Sun=1) : 1 to 5 Luminosity(Sun=1): 50 to 1000 Lifetime(million yrs): 1000 Abundance: 0.4% ----------------------------------------------- "I often quote myself. It adds spice to my conversation."
Stitcher Caldari legion of qui Terra Incognita.	Posted - 2007.11.21 19:43:00 - [28] Originally by: WarlockX Edited by: WarlockX on 21/11/2007 18:14:06 Two things. 1. Why is the eve galaxy so tiny. Our galaxy is 50,000 Light years Simple answer - the stars in EVE are not a whole galaxy - merely those systems that are part of the stargate network. The actual EVE galaxy, wherever it is, is presumably considerably bigger. New Eden itself is just a dusty little pocket of space a few hundred light-years across. Quite possibly a stellar nursery that's had some time to mature and spread out a little, or something along those lines. - The game is not the problem. The problem is that you are not adapting to the game.
Cardice Makar Caldari Dark Knights of Deneb Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2007.11.21 20:06:00 - [29] Originally by: Stitcher Originally by: WarlockX Edited by: WarlockX on 21/11/2007 18:14:06 Two things. 1. Why is the eve galaxy so tiny. Our galaxy is 50,000 Light years Simple answer - the stars in EVE are not a whole galaxy - merely those systems that are part of the stargate network. The actual EVE galaxy, wherever it is, is presumably considerably bigger. New Eden itself is just a dusty little pocket of space a few hundred light-years across. Quite possibly a stellar nursery that's had some time to mature and spread out a little, or something along those lines. Yep, the original [and I mean really old] backstory was that we're not in a separate galaxy, just a star cluster secluded from the galactic arm that Earth was located in. In theory you could fire up your stardrive and cruise for a few hundred years and make it back home... people have likely tried, even.
Venkul Mul Gallente	Posted - 2007.11.21 20:08:00 - [30] From some of the fiction at last initially (I don't know in "today EVE") the gates where build sending a slower than light ship to the destination point and then activating both gates. That mean that even with constant exploration the diameter of EVE linked systems will only increase by 2 light years every year, probably even less. Not bad it you think about it as a total volume, but not so fast. Even if it was done in the current game universe with constant exploration in all the directions we will see an increase of some teens of system every year at most.

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