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Kayna Eelai Gallente Shadow Legion Covenant Paxton Federation	Posted - 2007.11.23 10:25:00 - [1] Edited by: Kayna Eelai on 23/11/2007 10:24:52 heya. i don't even know if this changes are on the test server (i think they are) but anyways: with the drone bandwidth implementation, we were promised to get all (or at least most?) dronebays increased. there are two ships i can fly, i've always wondered: the bellicose (minnie cruiser) has 40m3 and the hurricane (minnie battlecruiser) has 30m3 as i fly the hurricane quite a lot, i am interested in knowing if it's getting a bigger dronebay and how much. and if it stays 30m3 i'd like to hear from CCP why? apart from that question, i've always wondered how a cruiser can have a bigger dronebay than a battlecruiser. i mean: drones are always the same, but when u put a cruiser next to a battlecruiser, it's much smaller, how could it possibly fit more drones? the battlecruiser engineers probably screwed it totally up, hehe. and then i wonder how a ship like the ishtar, through skills, can actually increase it's dronebay... and have a dronebay bigger than many battleships, yet the ship is so small. last but not least: i would not mind modules or/and skills that allows us (on non-capital ships) to transform not used cargo bay into dronebay. but this would be a suggestion for future patches. fixed to 23.15 kB (23710 bytes)
R0ot Eternity INC. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2007.11.23 10:49:00 - [2] Edited by: R0ot on 23/11/2007 10:50:24 From dev blog Quote: To this end, the sub-battleship class drone ships have been revised with the introduction of bandwidth. As a general rule, the Gallente drone ships are biased towards firepower at the expense of spare drones. The Vexor, for instance, now has 75Mbit/s bandwidth (enough for 3 heavy drones) and 100m3 drone bay (enough for 4 heavy drones), which boosts the damage output past the typical 50Mbit/s bandwidth limit for cruisers. The Amarr drone ships are biased towards spare drones, e.g. the Arbitrator has 50Mbit/s bandwidth (enough for 5 medium scout drones) and 150m3 drone bay (enough for 3 waves of medium scout drones). EDIT: What I read from this, is that the specialised drone ships are getting a boost to the bay, but the standard ships that just have drones as an addition and not thier primary damage are remaining the same. ------------------------------------------------------------------
Le Skunk Low Sec Liberators	Posted - 2007.11.23 11:19:00 - [3] Originally by: Kayna Eelai i wonder how a ship like the ishtar, through skills, can actually increase it's dronebay... and have a dronebay bigger than many battleships, yet the ship is so small. The Jovians SKUNK
Kayna Eelai Gallente Shadow Legion Covenant Paxton Federation	Posted - 2007.11.23 11:20:00 - [4] Originally by: R0ot EDIT: What I read from this, is that the specialised drone ships are getting a boost to the bay, but the standard ships that just have drones as an addition and not thier primary damage are remaining the same. well that kinda sucks then. when CCP first announced drone bandwidth, many ppl. cried to heaven and then they announced "don't wooooorry, you'll get bigger dronebays so you can have spare drones or can carry different types" if ships like the hurricane stay at 30m3 after the patch... we know CCP just lied again. are this changes on test server? can some1 actually go and check it out? fixed to 23.15 kB (23710 bytes)
Grunanca BLACK-FLAG	Posted - 2007.11.23 11:34:00 - [5] Originally by: Kayna Eelai Originally by: R0ot EDIT: What I read from this, is that the specialised drone ships are getting a boost to the bay, but the standard ships that just have drones as an addition and not thier primary damage are remaining the same. well that kinda sucks then. when CCP first announced drone bandwidth, many ppl. cried to heaven and then they announced "don't wooooorry, you'll get bigger dronebays so you can have spare drones or can carry different types" if ships like the hurricane stay at 30m3 after the patch... we know CCP just lied again. are this changes on test server? can some1 actually go and check it out? I would like you to post a link to the place where CCP says ALL ships will get larger dronebay, else you should just stop posting crap.
Kayna Eelai Gallente Shadow Legion Covenant Paxton Federation	Posted - 2007.11.23 11:35:00 - [6] Originally by: Grunanca I would like you to post a link to the place where CCP says ALL ships will get larger dronebay, else you should just stop posting crap. L2READ little wannabe troll, and next time read whole post before replying. hint: 2nd paragraph in first post. fixed to 23.15 kB (23710 bytes)
Le Skunk Low Sec Liberators	Posted - 2007.11.23 11:46:00 - [7] Originally by: Kayna Eelai Originally by: R0ot EDIT: What I read from this, is that the specialised drone ships are getting a boost to the bay, but the standard ships that just have drones as an addition and not thier primary damage are remaining the same. well that kinda sucks then. when CCP first announced drone bandwidth, many ppl. cried to heaven and then they announced "don't wooooorry, you'll get bigger dronebays so you can have spare drones or can carry different types" if ships like the hurricane stay at 30m3 after the patch... we know CCP just lied again. are this changes on test server? can some1 actually go and check it out? If your drone bandwidth after patch is 30 (eg can run 3 mediums) - How is this any different from having 30m3 (3 mediums) pre patch. The "extra drone bay" was a sop to the specialised drone pilots who got a damn good nerfing (eos, myrmidon etc). "Hey guys - were totally gimping your drones (no shiled recharge on dock) and your ship (able to use less drones at a time), but you can bung a couple more or the useless buggers in your drone bay. And as people can now very easily just pop your main damage type (unlike any other primary ship weapon - missiles, guns, etc) you can chuck a few more at them (after the delay of launching them and covering the range gives the enemy time to rep) to be similary pulverised. I believe the extra drone choice was not intended for other ships Could be wrong though (though i rarely am) SKUNK
Kayna Eelai Gallente Shadow Legion Covenant Paxton Federation	Posted - 2007.11.23 11:52:00 - [8] Originally by: Le Skunk I believe the extra drone choice was not intended for other ships Could be wrong though (though i rarely am) SKUNK a pity then. i hoped to be able to carry some backup drones on non-gallente ships... fixed to 23.15 kB (23710 bytes)
Sheriff Jones Amarr Please Enter Password	Posted - 2007.11.23 11:52:00 - [9] Only thing that worries me is that it seems arbi no longer can put out 3 heavy/3 sentry drones It was one of the many many good qualities of the ship. My opinions represent the opinions of my corporation completely. I'm the CEO damnit.
Surfin's PlunderBunny Minmatar mUfFiN fAcToRy	Posted - 2007.11.23 12:22:00 - [10] Remember, the devs are looking AT the Amarr issues... and are pointing and laughing Originally by: ISD Valorem The Devs have stated multiple times that they are looking at the Amarr issues. Weekly The Tick quote... "I can't lose my name! It's on all my stationary!" ~The Tick
Ryoji Tanakama Caldari Daikoku Fleet Shipyards	Posted - 2007.11.23 12:43:00 - [11] Originally by: Kayna Eelai i wonder how a ship like the ishtar, through skills, can actually increase it's dronebay... and have a dronebay bigger than many battleships, yet the ship is so small. I can have a big house, and still live in a small room. ~Ryoji Tanakama Daikoku Fleet Shipyards
Kayna Eelai Gallente Shadow Legion Covenant Paxton Federation	Posted - 2007.11.23 12:46:00 - [12] Originally by: Ryoji Tanakama Originally by: Kayna Eelai i wonder how a ship like the ishtar, through skills, can actually increase it's dronebay... and have a dronebay bigger than many battleships, yet the ship is so small. I can have a big house, and still live in a small room. and why would some1 with a smaller house, have bigger rooms than you? while it is possible, it does not sound very logic. and why do your rooms grow magically bigger, if you learn, let's say, "house living lvl5"? fixed to 23.15 kB (23710 bytes)
Zinras	Posted - 2007.11.23 12:54:00 - [13] Originally by: Kayna Eelai Originally by: Ryoji Tanakama Originally by: Kayna Eelai i wonder how a ship like the ishtar, through skills, can actually increase it's dronebay... and have a dronebay bigger than many battleships, yet the ship is so small. I can have a big house, and still live in a small room. and why would some1 with a smaller house, have bigger rooms than you? while it is possible, it does not sound very logic. and why do your rooms grow magically bigger, if you learn, let's say, "house living lvl5"? 'cause it allows me to knock down a wall between my bedroom and my living room :D
Sikozu Prioris Suns Of Korhal	Posted - 2007.11.23 13:08:00 - [14] Drone bandwidth is ONLY THERE to NERF GALLENTE DRONE BOATS. All other ships have the same bandwidth as their drone bay. CCP only put this is to try and stealth nerf the gallente drone boats, but failed cos everyone noticed. "A enemy fleet emerges from the shadows" - What shadows!?! We're in ****ing space for gods sake
Sheriff Jones Amarr Please Enter Password	Posted - 2007.11.23 13:12:00 - [15] Originally by: Sikozu Prioris Drone bandwidth is ONLY THERE to NERF GALLENTE DRONE BOATS. All other ships have the same bandwidth as their drone bay. CCP only put this is to try and stealth nerf the gallente drone boats, but failed cos everyone noticed. If it was true, i wouldn't mind, 'cause it wouldn't effect(affect?) my baby. But my arbi is getting the shaft if it only has a 50MB My opinions represent the opinions of my corporation completely. I'm the CEO damnit.
08891	Posted - 2007.11.23 13:12:00 - [16] That's not true. My five ogre gatecamping drake is now ruined.
Delichon Caldari	Posted - 2007.11.23 13:58:00 - [17] You haven't heard the recent news yet. The new AI will make drones smarter than players and they will refuse to fight, form a corp and kick all people out of 0.0 This is the truth, I say :) ------------------------------------------ All nerfs are meant to hurt you personally. Next time they are going to nerf you directly. Eve Forums.
Venkul Mul Gallente	Posted - 2007.11.23 15:00:00 - [18] Originally by: 08891 That's not true. My five ogre gatecamping drake is now ruined. As miss 08891 pointed out, drone bandwidth was implemented (between other things) to avoid the semi exploit (for a period it was classed as an exploit, then is was allowed) where you launched 1 or more drones, then dropped in station to pick another load, and so on, then scooping and launching them to get 5 heavy drones or sentinels with 1 ship with 25 m3 bay. From what I have got most gallente drone ships have kept a relatively high bandwidth but a drone bay equal than before, amarr drone ships have a relatively smaller bandwidth but larger drone bay, some of the other ship has got a small increase in bay retaining a bandwidth on par with the old values. From the dev blog about bandwidth: Quote: To this end, the sub-battleship class drone ships have been revised with the introduction of bandwidth. As a general rule, the Gallente drone ships are biased towards firepower at the expense of spare drones. The Vexor, for instance, now has 75Mbit/s bandwidth (enough for 3 heavy drones) and 100m3 drone bay (enough for 4 heavy drones), which boosts the damage output past the typical 50Mbit/s bandwidth limit for cruisers. The Amarr drone ships are biased towards spare drones, e.g. the Arbitrator has 50Mbit/s bandwidth (enough for 5 medium scout drones) and 150m3 drone bay (enough for 3 waves of medium scout drones).
Sheriff Jones Amarr Please Enter Password	Posted - 2007.11.23 16:05:00 - [19] Edited by: Sheriff Jones on 23/11/2007 16:06:37 Exactly. So once more, not that i'm whining, Amarr get the shaft by basically ruining the only good drone ship we had It's just, unbelievable... I don't complain about amarr much, but touching my arbi is like...like...blah! My opinions represent the opinions of my corporation completely. I'm the CEO damnit.
Mai Mailynn	Posted - 2007.11.23 16:23:00 - [20] The overall intention is a good one. It's definitely a buff to "drones" in general, in that it allows for buffing of drone bays, consequently increasing variety of drones packed and available, without wtf overpowering every ship with drones. It will be nice to see ships actually packing logistic and EW drones, that wouldn't have previously because there was no space after packing the biggest drones possible. It's a major part of the drone system, and is relatively ignored so far. I certainly hope people take advantage of it, and don't just pack a ton of extra waves of the same ship. Some of the specific "ships" however may have been hit too hard, that's a matter of opinion. Personally I have no sympathy for ships like the myrmidon that can sit there and passively tank 1000 dps while controlling a full set of t2 heavy drones, all with a nice cheap tech 1 price tag. I feel a bit for the Eos, but only because being a claymore pilot, I know what things will be like for them now. :P Of course, in terms of balance, it's spot on, there's no reason the Eos should be exempt from the standard of Fleet Commands being near worthless for actual combat. Ships like the myrmidon and vexor were too effective for their costs, and the eos was too effective for its role. Compared to say, hurricanes, ruptures, and claymores, those drone boats were out of line.
Sheriff Jones Amarr Please Enter Password	Posted - 2007.11.23 16:31:00 - [21] I can see the good in it, and ertainly, like a good amarr, i'll find my "way" with it. And in the end, i guess this might be a good thing as was the khanid(curse you!(no pun)) change, just that the 3-turret arbi was so nice. Seems their nerfing the last of the amarr drone carriers, and we don't have that much to spare My opinions represent the opinions of my corporation completely. I'm the CEO damnit.
Iracham Gallente	Posted - 2007.11.23 16:46:00 - [22] Amarr are supposed to have plenty of spare drones, where gallente can field more but have fewer spares, new vexor is 100m3/75bw, arbi is 150m3/50bw. Ishkur bonuses now suck more, in addition to the AF fake 4th bonus (the t2 resists that should be built in), it keeps the useless bonus of 5m3 dronebay per Assault ships level, but has a base 25m3/25bw.
Matsui Hideki	Posted - 2007.11.23 16:52:00 - [23] It should be noted that Kayna Eelai is an idiot.
Incantare Caldari Kernel of War Tau Ceti Federation	Posted - 2007.11.23 16:56:00 - [24] You should be glad the bandwith "unnerfing" hasn't affected you.
insidion Caldari Last of the Technocracy	Posted - 2007.11.23 17:03:00 - [25] Drone bandwidth is a great idea, but as some have already mentioned most of the numbers are dismaying to say the least. Don't understand why they would drop the arbitrator like that, and the numbers on majority of the gallente drone boats are almost ludicrous. Vexor, as an example, does have a larger drone bay than before, but smaller than most races, such as the arbitrator. So technically the vexor could carry two waves of mediums whereas the arby could carry three. Since people will say that the Vexor is more heavy drone oriented, comparing that is almost even weirder....can carry 6 heavies in the arby and 4 in the vexor. whiskey tango foxtrot! I know the bigger drone bay is still bigger than before, but stuff like this just doesn't make sense to me. Why start things off so clearly imbalanced?
Winterblink Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2007.11.23 17:16:00 - [26] Originally by: insidion Drone bandwidth is a great idea, but as some have already mentioned most of the numbers are dismaying to say the least. Don't understand why they would drop the arbitrator like that, and the numbers on majority of the gallente drone boats are almost ludicrous. Vexor, as an example, does have a larger drone bay than before, but smaller than most races, such as the arbitrator. So technically the vexor could carry two waves of mediums whereas the arby could carry three. Since people will say that the Vexor is more heavy drone oriented, comparing that is almost even weirder....can carry 6 heavies in the arby and 4 in the vexor. whiskey tango foxtrot! I know the bigger drone bay is still bigger than before, but stuff like this just doesn't make sense to me. Why start things off so clearly imbalanced? But the Vexor has more hardpoints, thus can mine more, ergo it's vastly superior to the Arb. :D warp drive active \| nature vraie
MrLobster Clawstrawphonebeer	Posted - 2007.11.23 17:16:00 - [27] I do disagree with people saying that drone boats are over powered (apart from maybe the myrm), drones are always vunerable to being killed and leaving the attacker with out any thing to kill with, apart from a)the myrm which could hold 6x 425mm AC (the ship has no turret bonus so can use any races guns) and a full set of OGRE II. b)the Eos with 7x Blasters and 5x OGRE II (the ship has no drone damage bonus). I would say the better way would be to decrease Turret slots on all Drone ships, just like the ishtar has only 3 out of its 5 highs slots reserved for turrets. Turret Reduction -------------- Myrm turrets down to 3 (leaving 3 utility slots, gang bonus etc). Eos down to 5 (the last 3 slots for Gang Bonus Mods). Vexor down to 3 so inline with Ishtar. Also the ishtar is pretty much a drone only boat and is not really able to fit a good turret layout, add to the fact that it is dreadfully short on CPU doesnt make it over powered (using faction loot to lower CPU usually gives you better tank anyway). _________________________
MrLobster Clawstrawphonebeer	Posted - 2007.11.23 17:18:00 - [28] Originally by: Winterblink But the Vexor has more hardpoints, thus can mine more, ergo it's vastly superior to the Arb. :D Have you tried setups on both the vexor and the osprey, the osprey wins by miles. Any one who tries to mine with a vexor needs shooting (and yes I was shot :D). The vexors stupid drone mining bonus is pretty useless... _________________________
Sheriff Jones Amarr Please Enter Password	Posted - 2007.11.23 17:20:00 - [29] By the way, does anyone have an idea on the curse/pilgrim area? Because making them, akin to the arbi, would just...well...bleh I train interdictors, they change them. Fine, i train recon, they change them....fine...you're after me..i get it... Next i'll train minmatar/caldari and gallente ships! My opinions represent the opinions of my corporation completely. I'm the CEO damnit.
Kayna Eelai Gallente Shadow Legion Covenant Paxton Federation	Posted - 2007.11.23 17:23:00 - [30] Originally by: Matsui Hideki It should be noted that Kayna Eelai is an idiot. post on your main or GTFO, lol fixed to 23.15 kB (23710 bytes)

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