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Xanos Blackpaw
Amarr The Firestorm Elite
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Posted - 2007.11.23 19:06:00 -
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i'm a week from a zealot, i can use all T2 items i will be needing to. any fitting advice?
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madaluap
Gallente Mercenary Forces Exquisite Malevolence
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Posted - 2007.11.23 19:20:00 -
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Beams or pulse in high. 3 heatsinks, than you have 4 slots left for tanking. Meds, probably a mwd or AB if that doesnt fit. _________________________________________________ Breetime
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Xanos Blackpaw
Amarr The Firestorm Elite
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Posted - 2007.11.23 19:28:00 -
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Originally by: madaluap Beams or pulse in high. 3 heatsinks, than you have 4 slots left for tanking. Meds, probably a mwd or AB if that doesnt fit.
1 or 2 armor reps?
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madaluap
Gallente Mercenary Forces Exquisite Malevolence
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Posted - 2007.11.23 19:29:00 -
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Originally by: Xanos Blackpaw
Originally by: madaluap Beams or pulse in high. 3 heatsinks, than you have 4 slots left for tanking. Meds, probably a mwd or AB if that doesnt fit.
1 or 2 armor reps?
This ship cannot handle 2 Medium armor reps, not pg wise, not capwise. Use 1. _________________________________________________ Breetime
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Xanos Blackpaw
Amarr The Firestorm Elite
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Posted - 2007.11.23 19:38:00 -
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Originally by: madaluap
Originally by: Xanos Blackpaw
Originally by: madaluap Beams or pulse in high. 3 heatsinks, than you have 4 slots left for tanking. Meds, probably a mwd or AB if that doesnt fit.
1 or 2 armor reps?
This ship cannot handle 2 Medium armor reps, not pg wise, not capwise. Use 1.
kk thanks...my first hac^^
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Yoko Lee
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Posted - 2007.11.23 19:43:00 -
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My sealot :
4x heavy pulse II + 1 med nos 1x ab II, 1x web, 1x scramble II 1x SS MAR, 2x EANM SS, 1x TS thermic passive, 1x 800mm RT, 2x TS hs
2x rigs CCC
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4x heavy pulse II, 1x med nos 1x mwd II, 1x web, 1x scramble II 1x MAR ss, 2x ss eanm, 1x ts thermic passive, 1x nanofiber II, 2x ts hs
2x ccc rigs
2250m/sec with good acceleration.
zealot need 25m3 dronebay !
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Xanos Blackpaw
Amarr The Firestorm Elite
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Posted - 2007.11.23 19:46:00 -
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Originally by: Yoko Lee My sealot :
4x heavy pulse II + 1 med nos 1x ab II, 1x web, 1x scramble II 1x SS MAR, 2x EANM SS, 1x TS thermic passive, 1x 800mm RT, 2x TS hs
2x rigs CCC
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4x heavy pulse II, 1x med nos 1x mwd II, 1x web, 1x scramble II 1x MAR ss, 2x ss eanm, 1x ts thermic passive, 1x nanofiber II, 2x ts hs
2x ccc rigs
2250m/sec with good acceleration.
zealot need 25m3 dronebay !
very cool. how do the cap hold up? and for PvE fit an AB and 2 rechargers right? do that mean i could change the CCCs for nano pumps and still be cap stabile?
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Lithalnas
Amarr Headcrabs
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Posted - 2007.11.23 19:47:00 -
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there really is no good way to fit a zealot without faction stuff -------------
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madaluap
Gallente Mercenary Forces Exquisite Malevolence
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Posted - 2007.11.23 19:50:00 -
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Originally by: Lithalnas there really is no good way to fit a zealot without faction stuff
CPU issues? _________________________________________________ Breetime
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Sajuukkar
Amarr Idle Miners
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Posted - 2007.11.23 20:06:00 -
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I am also fairly new to the Zealot, and, to be honest, prefer the Sacriledge. But it's a fun and interesting ship to fit with all the lows.
I have heard of some very interesting setups, like fitting a large cap battery to help feed your Tech II pulses. PG is a bit tight with beams, but if you can fly a HAC, it would be a good idea to get AWU up to at least 3 pretty soon anyway.
I have also had good luck with nano setups, with a mix overdrives, heatsinks, and nanos in the lows along with weaker active tank. The range bonus to the Zealot really lets you keep people far away while still doing some damage.
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Lithalnas
Amarr Headcrabs
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Posted - 2007.11.23 20:14:00 -
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Originally by: madaluap
Originally by: Lithalnas there really is no good way to fit a zealot without faction stuff
CPU issues?
yeah, im half t2 and half faction/best named just to get enough CPU, I even use a turret cpu rig to try and get it down a bit in exchange for powergrid. -------------
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Pratiken
Helios Incorporated Insurgency
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Posted - 2007.11.23 21:49:00 -
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What kind of optimals are you getting with your pulses?
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Xanos Blackpaw
Amarr The Firestorm Elite
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Posted - 2007.11.23 21:56:00 -
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Originally by: Pratiken What kind of optimals are you getting with your pulses?
as i dont have the ship yet i'm not sure but with the bonus and hac 4 as well as scorch ammo i'm guessing at...what 40km?
Playing minmatar is "like going down a flight of stairs in a office chair firing an Uzi". |
Alyth
Gallente The Scope
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Posted - 2007.11.23 22:20:00 -
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Originally by: madaluap
Originally by: Xanos Blackpaw
Originally by: madaluap Beams or pulse in high. 3 heatsinks, than you have 4 slots left for tanking. Meds, probably a mwd or AB if that doesnt fit.
1 or 2 armor reps?
This ship cannot handle 2 Medium armor reps, not pg wise, not capwise. Use 1.
Not true. If you are willing to use best named beams or pulse then a dual MAR II tank fits. You'll need a -3% CPU implant though if you use a T2 scram with the beams setup.
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Yoko Lee
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Posted - 2007.11.23 22:36:00 -
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Edited by: Yoko Lee on 23/11/2007 22:37:54 Edited by: Yoko Lee on 23/11/2007 22:37:23 Edited by: Yoko Lee on 23/11/2007 22:37:07 30 km heavy pulse + scorch need some faction cause cpu problem, (zealot bad for that) but i will prefer a good zealot then sacrilege, but ccp prefer good sacrilege over zealot, why? Amarr = laser turret first, but missile boat amarr have 4 med slot and more capa, explain me that ccp...
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Lucifer Fellblade
Ore Mongers R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2007.11.23 23:06:00 -
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Originally by: Alyth
Not true. If you are willing to use best named beams or pulse then a dual MAR II tank fits. You'll need a -3% CPU implant though if you use a T2 scram with the beams setup.
I'd rather fly a noobship than use t1 guns on a HAC, it's just horribly bad, especially on a HAC like the zealot which is only special due to the optimal bonus and added range of scorch.
Zealot will handle dual reps fine if your not using an MWD, if you are then you'll need to go with 1 rep and some faction nano plates. ------
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Grytok
KL0NKRIEGER
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Posted - 2007.11.23 23:09:00 -
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Originally by: Yoko Lee Edited by: Yoko Lee on 23/11/2007 22:37:54 Edited by: Yoko Lee on 23/11/2007 22:37:23 Edited by: Yoko Lee on 23/11/2007 22:37:07 30 km heavy pulse + scorch need some faction cause cpu problem, (zealot bad for that) but i will prefer a good zealot then sacrilege, but ccp prefer good sacrilege over zealot, why? Amarr = laser turret first, but missile boat amarr have 4 med slot and more capa, explain me that ccp...
It's because CCP thinks, that having the best looking Turret-Effect is a real bonus ? .
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Gamesguy
Amarr D00M. Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.11.23 23:11:00 -
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Edited by: Gamesguy on 23/11/2007 23:11:46 Zealot has a ****ty tank even with 2 reps. There is no point trying to tank it, nano is way better, at least then you can dictate range vs none-nano ships.
4x pulse or beam
1x mwd 1x 26/28km scram(replace with sensor booster if using beam) 1x large cap battery II(replace with injector if using beam)
2x HS 2x OD 1x Med rep 1x EANM 1x Cap Relay
2x Polys.
Oh and you CAN hit while orbitting with the mwd on against high sig ships like BC/BS, only with pulse though.
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Yoko Lee
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Posted - 2007.11.23 23:20:00 -
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to much nano ship in this game, no? :) i prefer my zealot without polycarbon rigs, i go to 2240 m/sec with 1 mwd II + 1 nanofiber II, its enought for me. i change fit if i need (ab and 800m plate) more pvp to low sec, but too much pple speak to 0.0 pvp, Eve is not just 0.0 PVP.
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Nahzgul
Dark-Rising Veritas Immortalis
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Posted - 2007.11.24 06:22:00 -
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People complain about cap use but while running just guns I never drop below 60% cap. I run 4X Heavy Pulse II's with Amarr Navy Multi. MWD II, Cap Injector, Faint scram 2xHeat sink II's, Named Tracking Enhancer, EANM II, Energized Thermal II, DCU II, MAR II.
In larger gangs I drop the injector for a sensor booster II. Don't know what rigs would be best but I think a nano zealot could be fun.
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Kailiao
The Black Fleet The Cosa Nostra
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Posted - 2007.11.25 03:10:00 -
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High: 4 Heavy Pulse 2's
Med: web, scram, cap injecter
Low: Med rep 2, 2 ts heat sinks, eanm, domi tracking mod, active thermal, and kinetic teck 2 hardners
Rigs: thermal, rep amount
Ab is a waste, mwd is a bigger waste, no need to dictate range, can hit up to 32km+ with scorch, all the way down to 1500 with conflag/ammar navy, solid tank, and sick dam.
Try and pick your fights, it had a much easier time, before rev, but still doable.
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Mirkel
Amarr Finite Horizon Synchr0nicity
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Posted - 2007.11.25 06:25:00 -
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t2 heavy pulses, mwd, scram, web, you need a 800mm plate and if you can afford it fit sansha heat sinks and eanm's since it's a pretty tight fit, and because the zealot has a cap problem you need to fit a cpr or a rig for cap. it's a great ship:)
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Swindley
Amarr Imperial Dreams Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2007.11.26 11:58:00 -
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Edited by: Swindley on 26/11/2007 12:02:01 Edited by: Swindley on 26/11/2007 11:59:15 For PVE, my zealot has:
High 4x t2 heavy pulse II with scorch (or amarr navy M, but i rarely use them, scorch is just so good:) Ammo is cheap as well, and doesnt wear out that fast. Med 1x webber, domination 10mn AB, sensor booster II Med named nos works for high, or whatever you fancy really.
Low: Centum A type med repper, 3x true sansha/t2 heat sinks, 3x passive faction hardeners depending on mission.
Rigs: 3x ccc
This is fairly cap stable and fits with like 4 cpu left over:) Expensive though, but you could use cheaper stuff, allthough it might have some cpu issues to fit everything.
edit: it will kill most things in pve, even frigs and spider drones close range. ------------------------------------------------ Ooooh look at me, I'm a signature! |
Zhaine
B e l l u m
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Posted - 2007.11.26 12:46:00 -
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This ship is fast (for non Minmatar) and has an optimal bonus as well as three other bonuses to lasers. It has 3 meds, therefore the requisite (imo) med slots for a close range tanked laser ship (MWD, scram, web, injector) are not viable. It's easy to get laser optimal over 10km with pulses and multifreq, let alone scorch or faction UV/Xray/Gamma, but the ship only has four turrets so you're never going to do excessive DPS.
Therefore if you want to do lots of damage and/or get in close then you're miles better off with the cheaper, 4 med-slot Harbinger; the Zealot just doesn't do this role as well (despite it's superior tank).
The advantages it has over said BC are its speed, agility and laser optimal (and, yes, tank, although it doesn't fit a plate as easily as the Harb), therefore it's a no brainer to shoot from outside of 10km and either nano-fit/MWD fit and use Multi/Gamma (faction) or use and AB and Scorch. Thus you will never need a webber and can use that med for an injector.
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Grytok
KL0NKRIEGER
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Posted - 2007.11.26 14:09:00 -
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Originally by: Swindley Edited by: Swindley on 26/11/2007 12:02:01 Edited by: Swindley on 26/11/2007 11:59:15 For PVE, my zealot has:
High 4x t2 heavy pulse II with scorch (or amarr navy M, but i rarely use them, scorch is just so good:) Ammo is cheap as well, and doesnt wear out that fast. Med 1x webber, domination 10mn AB, sensor booster II Med named nos works for high, or whatever you fancy really.
Low: Centum A type med repper, 3x true sansha/t2 heat sinks, 3x passive faction hardeners depending on mission.
Rigs: 3x ccc
This is fairly cap stable and fits with like 4 cpu left over:) Expensive though, but you could use cheaper stuff, allthough it might have some cpu issues to fit everything.
edit: it will kill most things in pve, even frigs and spider drones close range.
WTB: Zealot with 3 Rig Slots .
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SteeleResolve
Domination. Cult of War
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Posted - 2007.11.26 14:32:00 -
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Speedy ''''''''''''''''
4 x HP T2 with AN MF, AN XRay and Scorch.
MWD T2 Med. Cap Booster T2 WD T2
2 x OD T2 MAR T2 TS EANM TS Energised Thermic 2 x HS T2
2 Polycarbon rigs ($$$$$$$$$$)
Tanky '''''''''''''
4 x HP T2 with Scorch and AN MF
MWD T2 Med. Cap Booster Named disruptor (or SB T2 for the KM *****!)
MAR T2 DCU T2 Thermic Hardner T2 EANM T2 2 x HS T2 Nanofiber Structure T2 <---- replace this with whatever, but CPU is limited. Helps avoid bubbles, but contradicts the DCU T2 kinda.
2 Armour Amount rigs (forget what they're called)
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Zhaine
B e l l u m
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Posted - 2007.11.26 14:48:00 -
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Originally by: SteeleResolve Speedy ''''''''''''''''
4 x HP T2 with AN MF, AN XRay and Scorch.
MWD T2 Med. Cap Booster T2 WD T2
2 x OD T2 MAR T2 TS EANM TS Energised Thermic 2 x HS T2
2 Polycarbon rigs ($$$$$$$$$$)
Tanky '''''''''''''
4 x HP T2 with Scorch and AN MF
MWD T2 Med. Cap Booster Named disruptor (or SB T2 for the KM *****!)
MAR T2 DCU T2 Thermic Hardner T2 EANM T2 2 x HS T2 Nanofiber Structure T2 <---- replace this with whatever, but CPU is limited. Helps avoid bubbles, but contradicts the DCU T2 kinda.
2 Armour Amount rigs (forget what they're called)
Trimarks and I quite like that second fit. You can get round the CPU with a faction hardener. . . They're not horribly expensive and will free up 20 CPU for something tasty instead of the nanofiber (a third heatsink would fit if you made the DCU a decent named one).
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Ivan En'Vec
Insidious Existence
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Posted - 2007.11.26 15:24:00 -
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The zealot works best in small gangs or fleets - I would not recommend the following for solo 0.0 PvP, since you have no MWD escape for when you need it. Works fine for pirating though.
4X Heavy Pulse II w/(Conflag, Scorch, or for camping gates, Amarr Navy X-ray) Empty high slot!
1mn AB II 20k+ Scram Medium Cap Booster II w/800s
2X MAR II 2X ENAM II DC II Armor Thermic Hardener II 1X HS II
It can easily tank sentry guns along with an average BC or two, but your dual rep tank is on a timer for as long as your cap boosters hold out. You need advanced weapon upgrades and some other things to make it fit, CPU gets tight, and you need HAC 5 and med. pulse spec. or Surgical strike 5 to keep the damage output high with only one HS. But, it excels at dealing damage and tanking well, which is what Zealots are "supposed" to do.
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Chaplain Veritas
Amarr The Aduro Protocol The Fifth Race
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Posted - 2007.11.26 15:36:00 -
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Originally by: Grytok
Originally by: Swindley Edited by: Swindley on 26/11/2007 12:02:01 Edited by: Swindley on 26/11/2007 11:59:15 For PVE, my zealot has:
High 4x t2 heavy pulse II with scorch (or amarr navy M, but i rarely use them, scorch is just so good:) Ammo is cheap as well, and doesnt wear out that fast. Med 1x webber, domination 10mn AB, sensor booster II Med named nos works for high, or whatever you fancy really.
Low: Centum A type med repper, 3x true sansha/t2 heat sinks, 3x passive faction hardeners depending on mission.
Rigs: 3x ccc
This is fairly cap stable and fits with like 4 cpu left over:) Expensive though, but you could use cheaper stuff, allthough it might have some cpu issues to fit everything.
edit: it will kill most things in pve, even frigs and spider drones close range.
WTB: Zealot with 3 Rig Slots
WTB zealot with at least 5 turrets, small drone bay, and some freaking CPU and PG to fit it halfway decently. ____________________________ the eyes are the groin of the face - dwight shrute |
Firkragg
Blue Labs Knights Of the Southerncross
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Posted - 2007.11.26 15:55:00 -
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Originally by: Ivan En'Vec
1mn AB II
might wanna use one of the right size
Im loving this thread actually its giving me good idea. Im going to get a zealot in the next few days (almost have t2 pulses) but was having a hell of a time working out a fit since it has terrible cpu issues, and terrible grid issues with beams.
How is its dps? Alot of people claim its dps is too low but they also claim the harbingers dps is low eve though mine gets on the top of an awful lot of killmails.
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