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Rellik B00n
Vale Heavy Industries Molotov Coalition
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Posted - 2007.11.24 18:48:00 -
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In the beginning - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
a good while back when i started playing i mined. Yes i actually mined. I also ran missions. As i progressed to bigger ships to mine in i noticed that i could get better ore from low sec. I joined a mining corp and we NAPed some local pirates and mined in their 0.3 system. We has frequent incursions from pirates looking for easy kills which lead one night to me engaging my BC and my corpmates BS against 2 PvP setup ships that we stood no chance of beating (tho must have been lols for them ). That was the end for me. The BS player stopped playing, in all fairness to him i think he couldnt stand the preospect of grinding his way to another BS mining, and i dont blame him. I took the "If you cant beat them join them" route, and so began me killing things.
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Fairly quickly I learned the ropes. After dipping my toe in with ore-theft agro I installed JCs that id made from mission running status in 3 regions, Derelik, Heimatar and The Citadel. I would fly around in a caracal or a Ferox engaging anything I could find that wasnt bigger than a BC. When the locals started to do their impression of a wasps nest that has been kicked to the floor I would JC and start all over again. Fun times. I cared not about what ships I lost as long as I could get a replacement. I didnt care about ISK. Low sec was FULL of targets and fellow PvPers.
Now - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
Recently I have noticed something about myself: When I lose a ship I immediately think "oh bugger that will screw my k/d" or "crap i dont want to post that loss thats embarrassing." I PvP less, not just due to a lessening of targets in low sec or even to the fact that I truly hate grinding sec status almost more than mining, or the constant blobs: I PvP less because every time I make some kind of error even if i just want to have fun it sits on my KB mocking me. I would never have learned what I learned if I had been posting on killboards from day one.
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I started playing EvE because it had a great concept and it was lots of fun. For me killboards have taken a portion of that fun away. I would like to return to just flying around pewing stuff for the sheer hell of it. As such I am seriously considering never posting another kill or loss. If this means I cant stay with my current alliance and corp then that just might have to be so. EvE is often described as a "sandbox game" where you can do whatever you like, I think killboards impact on this. They are an unnecessary constraint for someone like me: I dont care who has more kills than me, or who has more deaths, im here to have fun.
I still play call of duty united offensive. I have played so much in fact that I can take on people that would describe themselves as "pros" (you can find me as "Fail" on euro servers), but I dont feel the need to maintain a killboard detailing my K/Ds, I just want to blow things up. The same is true for EvE.
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Condecinte
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Posted - 2007.11.24 18:55:00 -
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There will always be people who don't post their losses and skew the killboard stats so why not suggest to your alliance to simply remove the losses section from their killboard?
The point of a killboard is to show and boast about victories anyway not losses.
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Kenneth McCoy
Vale Heavy Industries Molotov Coalition
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Posted - 2007.11.24 18:59:00 -
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Rellik, there's no reason we can't work something out, I know where your coming from. We won't let you leave. Period :p
I'll hit you up ingame when I get home from work tomorrow.
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Reverend Revelator
Elite Storm Enterprises Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2007.11.24 18:59:00 -
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I wonder what it is with pirates being such a sad bunch of whiners? Never understood that, they can whine three times more than the entire rest of the game, and for the most inane reasons too...
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Rellik B00n
Vale Heavy Industries Molotov Coalition
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Posted - 2007.11.24 19:03:00 -
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well inevitable trolling aside its just an opinion. My kills are someone elses loss which is why they dont get a mention.
I didnt even get as far as people desperately targeting stuff to get on the KM for their stats.
pathetic.
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Danae Melios
Azteca Transportation Unlimited
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Posted - 2007.11.24 19:04:00 -
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I agree, kb posting requirements is one of the major turnoffs for me in the alliance game. It's nothing short of aggravating to constantly be ordered post to this post to that, post everything or you get kicked/fined/another rant in your inbox.
Honestly, I think that for bigger groups killmails are meaningless, it is the loss of systems that means something. Even in the measurement of who did what it is largely ineffectual. I once warp scrambled a Recon in a Badger as bait in a belt allowing a couple smaller ships to pop him. Of course I was popped before he was killed-- so I wasn't on the killmail. All that story meant to others was I was stupidly idling in a belt and was popped by a red.
The whole killboard k/d ratio is one of the worst elements of Eve. Kills mean nothing, success means everything. Those with specialized combat skills may never even appear on killmails, but get killed quite a bit themselves because of their support functions that simply don't do direct damage.
Originally by: game box
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Reem Fairchild
Minmatar Military Industrial Research
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Posted - 2007.11.24 19:05:00 -
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Originally by: Rellik B00n Recently I have noticed something about myself: When I lose a ship I immediately think "oh bugger that will screw my k/d" or "crap i dont want to post that loss thats embarrassing." I PvP less, not just due to a lessening of targets in low sec or even to the fact that I truly hate grinding sec status almost more than mining, or the constant blobs: I PvP less because every time I make some kind of error even if i just want to have fun it sits on my KB mocking me. I would never have learned what I learned if I had been posting on killboards from day one.
Quote: For me killboards have taken a portion of that fun away.
Sounds to me like your ego is taking the fun away. Just post everything and don't worry about it. Or don't... whatever...
But it's not the killboards' fault.
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Kaileen Starsong
Amarr Down In Flames
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Posted - 2007.11.24 19:12:00 -
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Edited by: Kaileen Starsong on 24/11/2007 19:15:00
Originally by: Rellik B00n stuff
Hm, why would you honestly care about such ephemereal stuff as k/d ratio, isk damage dealt, point, w/e. It's not like this stuff is affecting you ingame in anyway. Well, unless you think yourself that these numbers are worth much :)
As much as you won't like the answer, the problem is not in killboards themselves.
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Riho
Northen Breeze
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Posted - 2007.11.24 19:33:00 -
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i really dont get ppl who moan about k/d ratio... ******* stupid imo.
i post what i kill and i post what i loose.
example: 500m+ huginn (nano). i jump after a t1 destroyer and start shooting it.... well... got killed by sentrys because i was in low sec... didnt even think once about not posting :P
raven.... got killed by a arazu .. raven was faction fitted a lil bit... still posted..
ppl that think about k/d ratio shouldnt post on public kbs, because kbs are nice statistics... if u dont post losses.. then whats the bloody point posting kills at all (yes yes.. epeen and crap... but thats kiddy stuff)
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Riho
Northen Breeze
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Posted - 2007.11.24 19:36:00 -
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Originally by: Danae Melios
Those with specialized combat skills may never even appear on killmails, but get killed quite a bit themselves because of their support functions that simply don't do direct damage.
that described every good alliance dictor pilot :)
because that job is pretty much suicide all the time :P
you dont gek kms in large engagements or even med size.. you just bubble and die. k/d ratio down the ****ter
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J Valkor
Blackguard Brigade Aftermath Alliance
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Posted - 2007.11.24 19:51:00 -
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It reminds you of your **** ups. I can count my losses on one hand, each one stings me. Each taught me a lesson.
The kills are fun, but you learn from your losses.
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Malcanis
High4Life SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2007.11.24 20:10:00 -
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"They are an unnecessary constraint for someone like me: I dont care who has more kills than me, or who has more deaths"
But your whole post as about how much you DO care.
Stop posting KMs, stop checking KBs: problem solved!
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Matalino
Gallente Ki Tech Industries
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Posted - 2007.11.24 21:21:00 -
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Originally by: Malcanis Stop posting KMs, stop checking KBs: problem solved!
Sounds about right.
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Shiva Piva
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Posted - 2007.11.24 21:42:00 -
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Don't post your kills, don't post your losses. Stupid stats can't say if you had fun or not. Why ruin a perfectly good experience, ok, hopefully good experience (no lag etc) with something as banal as a score. |
Scott Petterson
The Cry of Mankind
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Posted - 2007.11.24 22:31:00 -
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I guess I don't know what the problem with posting losses is? I mean we all tell people losing ships is part of the game and I know that everyone has lost a ship at one time. I guess whats the big deal?
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Roy Batty68
Caldari Immortal Dead
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Posted - 2007.11.24 22:35:00 -
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Kill mails are bad for the game. They make people act selfishly.
Kill mails are good for the game. They enable players to quantify their successes.
Necessary evil, I guess.
It calls for a redesign imo. Incorporate the damage done statistics into the war dec mechanisms. Remove the personal "score". Keep the game from going down the selfish "me me me" route that DAoC took.
Learn from Mythic, CCP. They're a shining turd in the MMO world of what NOT to do.
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Yakia TovilToba
Halliburton Inc.
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Posted - 2007.11.24 22:50:00 -
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Killboards are not given us from CCP, in fact they are so much fun that people build them apart from the game and see them as an enrichment to the game.
Your problem can be easy solved, if you see where the bad thing really is. It's not in the kb system, it's in your head: you think that a bad k/d is embarassing or kill xy is embarassing, you think it's bad or that you have to etc. so the solution is simple: simply don't think that. Instead think that k/d ratio does not say anything, a true pvp person fights against the odds and have naturally a bad k/d while those with a high to perfect k/d are carebears or people that only fight battels that are 1:3 in their fauvor and run if they face equal numbers. You see what i mean ? If you alter the perception of the system in your head, suddenly the problem disappears, and you can have a lot of fun in pvp again, even with killboards.
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Rellik B00n
Vale Heavy Industries Molotov Coalition
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Posted - 2007.11.24 22:57:00 -
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Edited by: Rellik B00n on 24/11/2007 23:00:35
This was posted in a maudlin mood not long after i got up and is how i feel today. Tomoro is another day. That qualifying statement aside heres a bit of feedback:
Firstly this: I focused on the loss side of killboards: its difficult to find negatives in your own kills for obvious reasons. As I later posted however if I kill someone then they will be posting a loss somewhere, so the overall topic was largely concerned with the negative impact of killboards.
Reem and a couple of other replies made a fair point that ego is factor in this. It is inevitable that this is the case: once you start comparing yourself your ego comes into the mix. Killboards by default compare you to everyone else, so whether you want to compare or not isnt a factor. My stats if it were important are actually ok, but part of my point is that this is not something the devs have ever seem fit to incorporate into EvE. For 5 Years. It strikes me that if they felt this was important there would be a very simple .xml that you could just periodically upload to killboards, but there isnt.
As a second point of reply: no, i dont really care that much. I just woke up with the idea in my head that killboards were not good for the game. Rather than make a "NERF TEH KILLBOARDS CCP!" post i thought id try and make something vaguely interesting to read - something this forum seems to be missing a large element of these days but thats another discussion . Even if i didnt post my kills and/or losses someone somewhere would be. By there very existence killboards perpetuate this unhealthy state of affairs.
So yes, id much rather that overall statistics were incorporated into any campaign you were involved in. This would allow merc corps etc to provide the same history check for potential clients. As a side effect it would also take the individual out of the mix and give an overall corporate/alliance view. To my mind this would be a good thing.
Im old enough to know that not everyone in the world will agree with any given opinion i have - thats the way the world is. I also know that these forums are sometimes lacking in the ability to have any sort of real discussion about an issue. That said i was interested to know when i posted how other people felt about the subject i posted and I have been pleasantly surprised by the quality of the replies. Those that have taken the time so far thank you for your input.
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Kakita J
Placid Reborn Coalition Of Empires
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Posted - 2007.11.24 23:00:00 -
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Originally by: Danae Melios The whole killboard k/d ratio is one of the worst elements of Eve.
Well, technically speaking it's a part of Eve's community. To everybody who feels bothered by it I can only say, don't do it, join a corp of laid back people who couldn't care less about killboards. They'll soon be just about completely obsolete anyway, with the killmail system being upgraded... then they'll be a part of your character screen, but you can just not look at it, and all is well.
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Quintano
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Posted - 2007.11.25 07:41:00 -
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I've thought for a long time that killboards are partly responsible for the blob mentality. Everyone wants to improve their killboard stats so we only find people willing to fight if numbers are stacked in their favor or if they are guaranteed of winning the fight.
The number of pilots and gangs that fight out numbered relying on skill are getting fewer, and they are the ones that deserve respect, not the pilots or gangs with the best stats on their killboards.
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Mallikan
Gallente Crimson Shadows Crimson Empire.
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Posted - 2007.11.25 08:08:00 -
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Wow.. some of you guys/gals (lol) sound like you need to find a more friendly Alliance. Demands? Fines? Rants in your inbox? MADNESS! --- lol.. I messed up.
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fire 59
Destructive Influence Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.11.25 08:14:00 -
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I know what you mean. In my opinion we should do away with killboards entirely because they affect peoples mindsets in combat. From putting one gun on 7 targets to running to keep a good ratio.
I myself have never been concerned with my ratio, died nearly 100 times i think ( too tired to check atm ) . I would rather die in an epic battle than live in a crap battle, anyday of the week.
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umop 3pisdn
Minmatar Fnck the blob.
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Posted - 2007.11.25 08:17:00 -
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The solution ive got is to log on my filthy forum alt and go rifter people in a suicidal charge...
If you stop training your main char for a few days and get all the basic gear for t1 fit t1 cruiser and a nice little alt corp then it can be a lot of fun with corp mates alts joining the fun
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Moghydin
Confederation of Red Moon Red Moon Federation
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Posted - 2007.11.25 10:22:00 -
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The problem is not killboards, the problem is that ppl are obsessed with looking 1337 gankers. That K/D ratio that they want to keep as high as possible. Sometimes it gets to the extremes, activating 1 gun on 7 targets, deactivating all guns in the middle of a fight and giving a burst when target is about to die, running when there's a chance of losing. The problem is in people's heads. I personally don't care about K/D, I've lost a lot of ships and I don't care. And killboards provide a lot of useful information too: what's the setup of the gang, what are the fittings of dead ship, what is going on and where. Killboards are not a problem, egos are.
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Cadiz
Caldari No Quarter. Vae Victis.
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Posted - 2007.11.25 10:55:00 -
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Originally by: Kakita J
Originally by: Danae Melios The whole killboard k/d ratio is one of the worst elements of Eve.
Well, technically speaking it's a part of Eve's community. To everybody who feels bothered by it I can only say, don't do it, join a corp of laid back people who couldn't care less about killboards. They'll soon be just about completely obsolete anyway, with the killmail system being upgraded... then they'll be a part of your character screen, but you can just not look at it, and all is well.
There are suspicions creeping around that the new killmail system will eventually get tied into the EVE API, which means killboards will be able to more efficiently cull information than ever - no more fake killmails, no more "post your kills AND your losses", etc., etc. I'm looking forward to it, personally.
Killboards are a valuable tool to track points of success and failure - so long as they're fairly accurate, you get a pretty good idea of what your people are doing right and what they need to improve. Honestly, people posting losses is a lot more important than slapping up their kills...losses show how you've screwed up, and by bringing those to light you can go about working out the wrinkles. That's a hell of a lot more important than flaunting pwnage, really. ------ Director, No Quarter "There is no problem that cannot be solved by the judicious application of violence." |
squall321
Gallente Blackguard Brigade Aftermath Alliance
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Posted - 2007.11.25 11:01:00 -
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Another factor also with this game is that some alliances/corps, require you to show them a link to your killboard stats in order to join... i find that very stupid. be glad you have people willing to join your alliance/corp. the whole K/D thing is annoying. I would also agree that killboards are just for ego boosting really for the top guys of each alliance. it shows that they are out there alot just ganking whatever. getting that K/D perfect...where as i couldnt care less. but i have to post mine. shame really :)
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Lyria Skydancer
Amarr Uninvited Guests Cult of War
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Posted - 2007.11.25 11:02:00 -
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I love killboards. Killmail cheaters should be shot. May the power of the killboard guide you. Ya rly. Kthxbai.
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Rilder
Caldari THC LTD
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Posted - 2007.11.25 11:07:00 -
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I don't understand, why can't you just join a corp that doesn't have a killboard, THC went without a killboard for like 6+ months before we broke down and got ours.
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Calvin Caltrain
Gallente Exordium Mining Contingent
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Posted - 2007.11.25 11:41:00 -
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Kill mails and Killboards are something that get my back up! I view any kill as a private transaction between two players. I delete any killmail that enters my mailbox the instant it appears without even opening it, and will not post on any board. I don't need to boast about a kill or whine about a loss - It is part of the game!!
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Omega Man
The Geddy Foundation
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Posted - 2007.11.25 11:51:00 -
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OP thats a long post.
Is it so long coz you could not bring yourself to say:
"I dont like admitting i failed"
Either way, lie as much as you like to yourself and your corpmates.
Your death will be recorded on another killboard.
All that it means is your own killboard will be meaningless.
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